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gtexan02
12-12-2005, 11:41 AM
Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.

playoff year please
12-12-2005, 11:45 AM
Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.
Each team misses 2 field goals. Record for the most punts in a game. Quarterbacks being sacked by clear air (oh that seems to already happen).

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 11:51 AM
It will come down to an exchange of intentional safeties until the very end when, the 49ers will run back and give up one more safety to force overtime. The winner of the coin toss elects to receive and they run back into their endzone to wait for the game-losing score..... except nobody chases them back there. 11 defenders just wait outside the end zone until the head official calls the game a tie and Tagliabu awards the first pick to the Packers because the Texans and 49ers are being punished for making a mockery of the game of football.

playoff year please
12-12-2005, 11:54 AM
:dontknowa It will come down to an exchange of intentional safeties until the very end when, the 49ers will run back and give up one more safety to force overtime. The winner of the coin toss elects to receive and they run back into their endzone to wait for the game-losing score..... except nobody chases them back there. 11 defenders just wait outside the end zone until the head official calls the game a tie and Tagliabu awards the first pick to the Packers because the Texans and 49ers are being punished for making a mockery of the game of football.

gtexan02
12-12-2005, 12:15 PM
If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

Vinny
12-12-2005, 12:16 PM
If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?49'ers

SheTexan
12-12-2005, 12:33 PM
49'ers

Why?

Vinny
12-12-2005, 12:36 PM
Strength of schedule

bavanlan
12-12-2005, 12:39 PM
Why?

It would go to the team with the easier schedule. The reasoning is that if two teams have the same record, the team that managed the same record with an easier schedule would be worse.

At this moment, I believe the Texans actually have an easier Strength of Schedule, so they would get the first pick.

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 12:44 PM
If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

If I understand this correctly, the weakest strength of schedule of the two will end up with the #1 pick. Currently, SF's opponents have won 99 games between them. Their final 3 opponents have won a total of 15 games. Our opponents to this point have won a total of 107 games. Our final 3 opponents have won a total of 15 games as well. It would be difficult for us to get the #1 pick if we win another game and the 49ers do not.

Hardcore Texan
12-12-2005, 12:57 PM
It will probably come down to this game. It will probably be sloppy.

Blake
12-12-2005, 01:04 PM
The Texans have a good chance to beat all 3 of their opponents. The Jags like to roll over against us.

The Texans could end up 3-13, or even 4-12.

My guess is that we will lose to the cards, and beat the Jags, or 49ers. Ending up at 3-13. Of course guessing an NFL game is like picking a number between 1-100.

nunusguy
12-12-2005, 01:13 PM
If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?
The SOS is a dynamic calculation: if our SOS was calced today vs. the 49rs, our is stronger so they would draft ahead of us. But after each Sundays round
of games, a new calc has to be done because each opponent has played another game and the SOS of all teams aggregate opponents has changed.
In other words, we won't know for sure until the end of the year. Our big disadvantage is having the Colts in our SOS calcs which obviuosly shoves
our comparitive SOS thru the roof.

bavanlan
12-12-2005, 01:18 PM
The SOS is a dynamic calculation: if our SOS was calced today vs. the 49rs, our is stronger so they would draft ahead of us. But after each Sundays round
of games, a new calc has to be done because each opponent has played another game and the SOS of all teams aggregate opponents has changed.
In other words, we won't know for sure until the end of the year. Our big disadvantage is having the Colts in our SOS calcs which obviuosly shoves
our comparitive SOS thru the roof.

Not true, your strength of schedule (thus far) is actually weaker...

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 01:31 PM
Not true, your strength of schedule (thus far) is actually weaker...

Please explain, for those of us who fail to understand this stuff. Our opponents have won a combined 107 games so far. The 49ers' opponents have won 99 games so far. The remaining three for each team have a combined win total of 15 each, so far. How is our schedule weaker?

bavanlan
12-12-2005, 01:35 PM
I'm just going by what NFL.com has up...:tomato:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Texans - .574
49ers - .586

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm just going by what NFL.com has up...:tomato:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Texans - .574
49ers - .586

OK, I officially don't understand. Oh well. Maybe those Indy losses will turn out to have more "quality" as a loss once they beat Seattle and San Diego. Is this stuff run by the BCS?

gwallaia
12-12-2005, 01:51 PM
OK, I officially don't understand. Oh well. Maybe those Indy losses will turn out to have more "quality" as a loss once they beat Seattle and San Diego. Is this stuff run by the BCS?

If that were true, the Super Bowl would be the Colts and Seahawks right now and there would be no need for the playoffs.

gtexan02
12-12-2005, 01:53 PM
Even though our teams have won more games, they have not won more games against good teams. So the 49ers teams that have won games have won games against harder opponents. Understand?

Sarg01
12-12-2005, 02:33 PM
I have a thread in the draft forum on current (including yesterday's games) SOS standing for all 4-wins-or-less teams. There's a couple different ways to count SOS, so you can hear different numbers from different people. All these produce the same results after week 17 but can vary before that.

My method is to count opponent victories, counting two victories for the each of the other three division team victories. I'd give .5 victories for a tie, but that's not been an issue yet. For the Texans this number includes (Ind+Jax+Ten) x 2 = 52, then add in the AFC North (26 victories) and the NFC West (22 victories). Finally, you add the two one-off games, KC (8) and Buffalo (4) for a total of 112 opponent victories. The good thing about this method is that it doesn't attempt to predict the future. It's very easy to see what the results of a given game will do to a team's SOS.

As things stand at the moment, the Texans have the #1 pick if they lose out (obvious) the #1 pick if they win once (via 112 SOS vs. Niners 114), the #4 pick if they win twice and the #12 pick if they win out.Of course, these numbers can change as teams win to improve their record.

Other methods attempt to extrapolate the results of the season's remaining games. The NFL, for instance, averages the W-L percentages of the opponents, counting division rivals twice. This is fine, but by putting a hard decimal figure on it implies that a given team will perform exactly the same over the last 3 games as it did over the first 13. After week 17, all methods of computing SOS merge to produce the same results since at that point, there is no prediction left in any of the methods.

cadahnic
12-12-2005, 04:00 PM
Please explain, for those of us who fail to understand this stuff. Our opponents have won a combined 107 games so far. The 49ers' opponents have won 99 games so far. The remaining three for each team have a combined win total of 15 each, so far. How is our schedule weaker?

Our combined opponents have won fewer games than the 49ers combined opponents, thus the 49ers are playing against worse teams than we are, so if we end up both winning 2 games but the 49ers played against worse teams than we did then they are assumed to be worse than us, and therefore they get the #1 pick.

c5demon
12-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Any chance that both of the teams want to loss and the game ends in an overtime tie 0-0?

Sarg01
12-12-2005, 05:48 PM
Any chance that both of the teams want to loss and the game ends in an overtime tie 0-0?

Not that I think it will happen - I don't really buy this intentional losing stuff - but unless we win once before than, a tie still locks us in for the #1 overall pick with a 1-14-1 record vs. a 2-13-1 for SF.

nunusguy
12-12-2005, 06:32 PM
Not true, your strength of schedule (thus far) is actually weaker...
Prior to the weekend, the Texans had 87 wins to the 49ers 81 wins. However,
we played a team (Tenn), which now has 4 wins after beating us but the 49ers played a team which now has 11 wins. So after the weekend, our SOS
may in fact now be < , or better when it comes to tie breakers.
But our problem is the Colts and playing them twice. We don't throw
just 13 wins into the calcs, but rather 26 wins into the calculation when we figure our SOS.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-12-2005, 06:40 PM
Division games only count once I believe.

nunusguy
12-12-2005, 07:11 PM
Division games only count once I believe.
Its called "Strength of Schedule", therefor I would think all the wins and losses of your opponents on your schedule would be tallied up to make the calc, whether or not the schedule included > 1 game against the same opponent(s).

mike moffat
12-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Since I live in Northern California, this will be my only chance to see the Texans live. I'm just waiting to get my tickets. I think that in a week or two, there will be some free tickets out there. One can only hope.

gtexan02
12-13-2005, 11:50 AM
Speaking of going on record, this might go on record as the all-time worst post ever. I actually skimmed through the entire thing purely out of disbelief before running to the bathroom to vomit, purging myself of this kind of stupidity. That you would even call yourselves fans of the Texans or waste your time spewing this kind of garbage is, in a nutshell, the reason why access to the Internet should be regulated.

What is the deal with this guy? How can arguing that a 1 win team versus a 2 win team (and both the 2 wins for SF and the 1 win for us were lucky and sloppy) be a post so nauseating to you it makes you vomit?

TheOgre
12-13-2005, 12:11 PM
If you look at all 16 opponents, we currently have a 2 game lead over San Fran. for easier SOS. It is too close to call at this point.

San Francisco
Seattle 11 2
Seattle 11 2
St. Louis 5 8
St. Louis 5 8
Arizona 4 9
Arizona 4 9
NY Giants 9 4
Dallas 8 5
Washington 7 6
Philadelphia 5 8
Chicago 9 4
Tampa Bay 9 4
Indianapolis 13 0
Jacksonville 9 4
Tennessee 4 9
Houston 1 12
TOTALS 114 94

Win % = 0.548076923

Houston
Indianapolis 13 0
Indianapolis 13 0
Jacksonville 9 4
Jacksonville 9 4
Tennessee 4 9
Tennessee 4 9
Cincinnati 10 3
Pittsburgh 8 5
Cleveland 4 9
Baltimore 4 9
Buffalo 4 9
Kansas City 8 5
Seattle 11 2
St. Louis 5 8
Arizona 4 9
San Francisco 2 11
TOTALS 112 96

Win % = 0.538461538

Hervoyel
12-13-2005, 01:19 PM
What is the deal with this guy? How can arguing that a 1 win team versus a 2 win team (and both the 2 wins for SF and the 1 win for us were lucky and sloppy) be a post so nauseating to you it makes you vomit?

I've found the ignore feature does wonders for this kind of thing.

Hervoyel
12-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Point taken, Herv. I think I will activate mine now.

As much as I would like to resort to good old fashioned **** talking, I will do the "professional" thing and offer you this:

Suffice it to say, I had no problem with gtexan's initial post and even wrote him a PM apology when he construed my words as attacking him and rightfully defended himself. I was reacting to the type of bull**** drivel that has weeded its way through this board like a stupidity virus: namely the kind of talk that says that the Texans should lose or are deliberately tanking games to pick up a draft pick, as if building your franchise on the foundation of deliberate losing was not already an oxymoron to the essence of sport and victory. As well as the creative "losing" scenarios offered by Herv and others.

Feel free to peck away at that ignore key. Until then, find a hobby besides shadowing me on the board to offer your stunning rebuttals.

Deuces.

You've been on my ignore list for over a week jerek and the only reason I knew what you posted on this thread was gtexan02 quoting you. My advice to him was just that, advice to him because I've found that if a particular poster bothers you the best thing to do is to put them on your ignore list.

If you feel like you're being "shadowed" by me please believe me when I tell you that nothing could be further from the truth. It's simply a matter of you and I being interested in the same subject on the same message board. Indeed if I'm shadowing you then I'm in a mighty big crowd and I've got more than a few posters on my tail.

Goodbye.

touttail
12-14-2005, 07:35 AM
Bet the ratings will go through the roof! :sarcasm:

the networks will probably have to pay people to watch this one on New Years Day.

Bobby 119C:brickwall

texansfan1974
12-14-2005, 07:59 AM
This game will be interesting for sure. I know i will have some cabbage, black eyed peas, and some Texans football. What a way to start off the year.:tv:

WWJD
12-14-2005, 09:26 AM
I knew the Niners were rebuilding and I remember last offseason hearing talk that they would be the worse team in the NFL this year because they were rebuilding.

I think it's safe to say most thought the Texans would be much better this year and some even thought they could push for a playoff spot.

Instead what you'll have I guess is 2 teams fighting for a better draft position.

I didn't see that coming!

touttail
12-14-2005, 11:31 AM
I didn't see that coming!


Neither did a bunch of us. I was caught up in the playoff hype!:rofl:

Bobby 119C:brickwall

WWJD
12-14-2005, 11:48 AM
Yea me too Bobby. I thought they'd be at least .500 and be pushing for a wildcard. I never thought this season would be the diaster it is. Never!

illspawn
12-16-2005, 07:04 PM
Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.

We are going to the toilet bowl fellas!:brickwall

Ryan
12-16-2005, 07:44 PM
Who will win the Toilet bowl? San Fran or Houston? I think the texans will win but it will be a tie and the texans will get the first pick due to difficulty of schedule.:twocents:

disaacks3
12-17-2005, 01:56 PM
Point taken, Herv. I think I will activate mine now.

As much as I would like to resort to good old fashioned **** talking, I will do the "professional" thing and offer you this:

Suffice it to say, I had no problem with gtexan's initial post and even wrote him a PM apology when he construed my words as attacking him and rightfully defended himself. I was reacting to the type of bull**** drivel that has weeded its way through this board like a stupidity virus: namely the kind of talk that says that the Texans should lose or are deliberately tanking games to pick up a draft pick, as if building your franchise on the foundation of deliberate losing was not already an oxymoron to the essence of sport and victory. As well as the creative "losing" scenarios offered by Herv and others.

Feel free to peck away at that ignore key. Until then, find a hobby besides shadowing me on the board to offer your stunning rebuttals.

Deuces.

Many of those posts you refer to were written in obvious humor (or sarcasm), I hope you can at least appreciate the fact that humor is a defense mechanism to the poor play the Texans have displayed thus far this wonderful season.

In all seriousness, just suppose the Texans Mgmt. WERE deliberately "throwing games". What are the long-term effects (on the players) that you allude to regarding losing? Coaching decisions ALONE could cause the loss w/o any players having to be involved in the 'scam'. How would that affect next year's Team, the coaches and GM (assuming you can see that writing on the wall clearly enough)?

Bear in mind how many arguments are being made on drafting Bush vs. trading that (potential) #1 pick for more picks. The argument is basically the same - Giving up more now to be better later.

Personally speaking, I think RB is the best player in the draft and would help us the most immediately (by a game or two). This scenario is similar to the win-out philosophy at this point. What's the point? To feel good for a couple of games? What about the long-term implications (and lost draft pick(s)?

Losing out, as distateful as the concept is to me, makes more long-term sense to the health of this team as a WHOLE. Even if we DON'T trade down, even if we DON'T get RB, the possibilities for improvement of the franchise increase with each draft position that you move up.

I cheer for the Texans to WIN every time we take the field, the only HOME games I haven't personally attended (except one) are those that I wasn't in the country to see. That doesn't preclude me from seeing the logic of having a better draft pick when our chances of making the playoffs are LONG since gone out the window for this season.

btw - I've disagreed w/ Herv on several issues, but I respect his opinion, just as I'd like to respect yours.