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F-minus67
12-11-2005, 10:35 PM
1) OT Eric Winston, Miami
2) LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
2) FS Greg Blue, Georgia
3) DE/LB Manny Lawson, NC St
3) TE Dominique Byrd, USC
4) WR Jason Avant, Michigan
5) OG Jason Spitz, Louisville
5) CB Brett Bell, Wisconsin
6) DE Moe Thompson, South Carolina
7) NT Kwakou Robinson, Virginia

Texans make a deal with the Titans to swap 1st round picks and Texans receive their 2nd and 5th round picks as well

YoungTexanFan
12-11-2005, 10:43 PM
1) OT Eric Winston, Miami
2) LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa
2) FS Greg Blue, Georgia
3) DE/LB Manny Lawson, NC St
3) TE Dominique Byrd, USC
4) WR Jason Avant, Michigan
5) OG Jason Spitz, Louisville
5) CB Brett Bell, Wisconsin
6) DE Moe Thompson, South Carolina
7) NT Kwakou Robinson, Virginia

Texans make a deal with the Titans to swap 1st round picks and Texans receive their 2nd and 5th round picks as well

very nice, but the texans should recieve more than just those picks. I would like to hear your analysis of each pick if you have the time, and just so you know, i do agree with most of them...:ok:

MorKnolle
12-12-2005, 11:06 AM
Looks pretty good and I enjoy seeing Eric Winston at the first rounder. I don't know enough about many of the other guys on your list to comment properly so I'll leave those alone until after the combine and everything. I also think we should be able to get more than a second and fifth rounder for swapping firsts, according to the draft value chart their 2nd and 3rd would not even cover the value of switching firsts, and I doubt they'd give away their top four picks in this draft so we'd probably get a package like swapping firsts, get this years' 2nd and 4th and next years' 2nd, or maybe get this years' 2nd and next years 1st and 3rd in addition to swapping top picks.

beerlover
12-12-2005, 12:25 PM
Texans make a deal with the Titans to swap 1st round picks and Texans receive their 2nd and 5th round picks as well

I don't like the idea of trading with the Titans, seems like this would be another case of them getting over on us while I know none of our Texans present of future defensive players would be catching Bush anytime soon, this would outright catastrophic :brickwall

F-minus67
12-12-2005, 12:30 PM
1) OT Eric Winston, Miami (Winston is a huge tackle who would be the best pass blocker on the team, not to mention that he is a great run blocker which helps with the system we run)

2) LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa (The texans have never had a enforcer on defense beside Dunta, and Hodge hits like a ton of bricks. He could also start if Wong is not retained.)

2) FS Greg Blue, Georgia (He has had a lot of experience playing against top compition and Coleman has been terrible this year)

3) DE/LB Manny Lawson, NC St (Lawson is propably the best player in the draft to be able to play OLB in a 3-4 defense. He is also a good pass rusher.)

3) TE Dominique Byrd, USC (Byrd is a great reciever and has been playing on basically a pro team the last four years. He make clutch receptions and is a decent blocker.)

4) WR Jason Avant, Michigan (He has some size(6'1" 213lbs) and is a solid possession reciever)

5) OG Jason Spitz, Louisville (At 6'4" 308lbs he is a big body who can move the pile in the running game)

5) CB Brett Bell, Wisconsin ( Bell is a pretty good corner who could probably stick with the texans due to his cover skills)

6) DE Moe Thompson, South Carolina ( A stong player who has a non stop motor)

7) NT Kwakou Robinson, Virginia (A huge nose tackle(6'4" 327lbs) who has experience in a 3-4, but he needs to get stronger and improve his condictioning)

F-minus67
12-12-2005, 12:31 PM
Well I figured the Texans would trade to who ever was in te 4th to 7th pick of the first round.

tulexan
12-12-2005, 02:05 PM
Texans make a deal with the Titans to swap 1st round picks and Texans receive their 2nd and 5th round picks as well


That's it? We are giving up Reggie Bush for a swapped first round pick and a 2nd and 5th? No way I would ever do that trade. This is a once in a life time talent we are talking about, not Steven Jackson or Ronnie Brown.

beerlover
12-12-2005, 03:34 PM
Well I figured the Texans would trade to who ever was in te 4th to 7th pick of the first round.

sorry not trying to be too harsh but could you imagine trying to chase Reggie Bush around for the next 10 years everytime we play the Titans? I would be open to a can't decline package for the 1st pick but in our division, to a rival is just not an option :crying:

F-minus67
12-12-2005, 10:07 PM
Fine, the texans trade the 1st overall selection to the Saints. Happy?

YoungTexanFan
12-12-2005, 10:53 PM
Fine, the texans trade the 1st overall selection to the Saints. Happy?

haha, but sadly no. we still need an explanation and compensation. :texflag:

MorKnolle
12-12-2005, 10:55 PM
I doubt the Saints would trade up for Bush when they have Deuce McAllister. the 49ers, Jets, maybe Packers, maybe Cleveland, and maybe Arizona would be the main teams interested in Bush. To be honest, more teams would likely be willing to trade a lot to get Leinart since so many of the teams that will be at the top of the draft will be looking for a QB.

tulexan
12-12-2005, 10:58 PM
The problem with those teams too is that they are all in the rebuilding mode and really can't afford to give up too much to get one player. The Niners and Jets might not be able to afford the pick due to cap reasons.

MorKnolle
12-12-2005, 11:15 PM
The problem with those teams too is that they are all in the rebuilding mode and really can't afford to give up too much to get one player. The Niners and Jets might not be able to afford the pick due to cap reasons.

San Francisco is projected to have $74 million against the cap next year, plus the free agents they resign or bring in to their team. Our team is projected to have $78 million against the cap, and the Jets are projected at $120 million. The cap is projected at $92 million, so the Jets will have problems unless they dump a lot of people, which they are going to do, and they need to retool their offense and will either get Leinart if Pennington's health is in question or try to make a move on Bush to get that one offensive weapon. The 49ers will have more cap room than us and definitely will be looking to add an offensive weapon for Alex Smith to build their offense around. They have terrible RBs and no offensive weapons at all, while we have some in place already so they will be much more willing to try and get Bush than we will.

Corrosion
12-13-2005, 10:17 AM
San Francisco is projected to have $74 million against the cap next year, plus the free agents they resign or bring in to their team. ................................... The 49ers will have more cap room than us and definitely will be looking to add an offensive weapon for Alex Smith to build their offense around. They have terrible RBs and no offensive weapons at all, while we have some in place already so they will be much more willing to try and get Bush than we will.


The 49er's are VERY MUCH like the Texans in that they have a LOT of needs ...And considerable cap space next season . Im sure both teams could find a place to play Bush(Here-to-fore known as @#$%) but both have more pressing needs ..... I Think the 49ers would be under even more pressure to take @#$% considering their location and the fact he plays in state (Kinda like the Texans last year w/ DJ) .

Both teams have very poor O-Lines .....Alex Smith is getting pounded on at a David Carr like clip ...And we all know how much of a beating Carr has taken over the past three years .... Do the 49er's want to put Smith thru the same type of beating to take a playmaker with take it to the house potential every time he touches the ball or will they protect their QB ?

The similarities between these two teams are pretty scarry ....

texplayer2
12-13-2005, 10:52 AM
The 49er's are VERY MUCH like the Texans in that they have a LOT of needs ...And considerable cap space next season . Im sure both teams could find a place to play Bush(Here-to-fore known as @#$%) but both have more pressing needs ..... I Think the 49ers would be under even more pressure to take @#$% considering their location and the fact he plays in state (Kinda like the Texans last year w/ DJ) .

Both teams have very poor O-Lines .....Alex Smith is getting pounded on at a David Carr like clip ...And we all know how much of a beating Carr has taken over the past three years .... Do the 49er's want to put Smith thru the same type of beating to take a playmaker with take it to the house potential every time he touches the ball or will they protect their QB ?

The similarities between these two teams are pretty scarry ....

I know the 9ers would sacrifice Smith getting hit to acquire Bush. They are paying him $aloooooot of money, and with the very first pick in the draft they are not going to acquire a lineman. Which is very similar to us.

tulexan
12-13-2005, 11:06 AM
I wouldn't bet on that too much. If Nolan were an offensive minded coach I would agree with you, but his background is defense and has repeatedly said that he is committed to his plan for the team. I don't think he is going to spend a bunch of draft picks on one guy when they have even more holes than the Texans. If they have the second pick I could easily see them trading down a few picks and then getting someone like AJ Hawk or Jimmy Williams.

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 11:29 AM
I think the 49ers will definitely look to get Bush. Bush has said he likes California and the 49ers have absolutely no one on offense other than Alex Smith, so they desperately need a playmaker much more than we do. If the Jets or someone else offer a trade package more than the 49ers are willing to spend then they very well could trade down and work on their defense but I don't see that happening. Smith is also not getting hit at Carr's rate, we have given up twice as many sacks as any other team in the NFL and all of ours have been to Carr, Smith has gotten less than half of theirs.

Blake
12-13-2005, 01:49 PM
If we trade out of #1, for a 2nd, and 5th, I will eat my hat.

Bush, OR Leinart are going to cost #1's next year, and #2, or #3 this year. Maybe more. -See Eli trade.

Trade out of #1, to no division foe, New York Jets for #1 this year, #2 this year, and #1 next year. They take Reggie Bush, forcing the 9ners to try and trade out of #2.

We take a LT #4 overall. a OG in round 2. S, or TE in round 2.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 05:45 PM
I think some way we will end up picking around 8-10. Bc i know 49ers, Jets, GB all are looking at Bush and will make a push to get him.

Then after that there is Leinhart so if we do to say 49ers then it becomes whose the highest bidder for him now.

So we could trade down to 49ers so they can get bush
then trade down to #3 so that the Jets can get Leinhart

so #1 for #2, 2nd and 3rd next year
then #2 for #3 and 2 3rds and 5th.

soo... you see where this can go right. If we want Winston or Dbrick whoever i think it will be around the # 6-8 pick. I know we dont want too many picks here. we would already have #3, the top 3 picks in the 2 2nd rounders and then 4 3rds. Thats 7 day 1 picks = not gonna happen. Then i say we trade down or trade into next years draft. Package a couple of those 3rd rounders and get another 2nd rounder. Or even package 2 of the 2nd rounders and move up for Huff.

GUYS PLS DONT LIMIT US TO JUST BUSH BECAUSE WILL LOSE OUT ON OTHER VALUEABLE PLAYERS

sry 4 caps

texplayer2
12-13-2005, 05:58 PM
I think some way we will end up picking around 8-10. Bc i know 49ers, Jets, GB all are looking at Bush and will make a push to get him.

Then after that there is Leinhart so if we do to say 49ers then it becomes whose the highest bidder for him now.

So we could trade down to 49ers so they can get bush
then trade down to #3 so that the Jets can get Leinhart

so #1 for #2, 2nd and 3rd next year
then #2 for #3 and 2 3rds and 5th.

soo... you see where this can go right. If we want Winston or Dbrick whoever i think it will be around the # 6-8 pick. I know we dont want too many picks here. we would already have #3, the top 3 picks in the 2 2nd rounders and then 4 3rds. Thats 7 day 1 picks = not gonna happen. Then i say we trade down or trade into next years draft. Package a couple of those 3rd rounders and get another 2nd rounder. Or even package 2 of the 2nd rounders and move up for Huff.

GUYS PLS DONT LIMIT US TO JUST BUSH BECAUSE WILL LOSE OUT ON OTHER VALUEABLE PLAYERS

sry 4 caps

After the first pick you will not get as much for say the second pick if thats where we went. Everyone knows we are not looking for a QB, unless he were a phenom and there are no Mannings or John Elways this year. If we trade the first pick don't look for a lot of interest our way.(They don't think we would pass on Bush. They do think we would pass on Lienert.) We don't have enough Poker chips to sale anyone on that. And as far as limiting us if we pick Bush, what is that all about? We do get more than one pick this year.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 06:08 PM
After the first pick you will not get as much for say the second pick if thats where we went. Everyone knows we are not looking for a QB, unless he were a phenom and there are no Mannings or John Elways this year. If we trade the first pick don't look for a lot of interest our way.(They don't think we would pass on Bush. They do think we would pass on Lienert.) We don't have enough Poker chips to sale anyone on that. And as far as limiting us if we pick Bush, what is that all about? We do get more than one pick this year.


Never said we wanted Leinhart.. i said we wanted to move the pick. Maybe not i think 8 is what 1100 and #2 pick is what 2500 and #1 is what 3000. if i am not mistaken. Thats what i am implying here is that we move down not nessacerly what we will get... but to make you think. I am sure someone will trade up to get Leinhart to make sure another team doesnt I.E. jets. So what i am getting at here is we can move from 1-2 pick up some picks. then move from 2-3 to get more picks. Then later on trade back up. Thats the BOTTOM line and what i was getting at not what we would get... you totally missed the point

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 09:53 PM
After the first pick you will not get as much for say the second pick if thats where we went. Everyone knows we are not looking for a QB, unless he were a phenom and there are no Mannings or John Elways this year. If we trade the first pick don't look for a lot of interest our way.(They don't think we would pass on Bush. They do think we would pass on Lienert.) We don't have enough Poker chips to sale anyone on that. And as far as limiting us if we pick Bush, what is that all about? We do get more than one pick this year.

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

FYI, above is a website with a draft pick value chart. If we trade from #1 to #2, a fair value would be adding their 3rd round pick and next year's 1st round pick, this would favor us slightly on the value chart but to add a player like Bush I think the 49ers would shell out a little extra. Getting this year's 2nd round would be about the same value as next year's 1st, but I'm not sure they would trade away their top three picks in this draft for him, so I think they'd opt to send us a pick for next year. Maybe we could swap 1st rounders, pick up this year's 3rd rounder, next year's 2nd rounder, and Julian Peterson from them. Likewise, dropping from #2 to #3 a 3rd rounder this year and a 2nd rounder next year would be about even. At this moment the Saints would be #3 and could be looking to trade for Leinart so that would be a possibility, but keep in mind we already have their third round pick from last year's draft day deal. Leinart could bring some serious trade value too because, while we wouldn't be interested in drafting him, several other teams would (maybe more than would trade a lot to get Bush). The Saints, Jets, Lions, Cardinals, Raiders, Browns, and Ravens are all currently top 12 picks and would be interested in getting Leinart. The Jets are at #5 at the moment and could also be very interested in Leinart if Pennington isn't going to be healthy, and for trading dowm to #5 we could probably get this year's 2nd round pick, and next year's 1st round pick to balance out the value, or maybe make that next year's 2nd rounder and John Abraham. With that sequence, we could move from #1 to #5 and:

1) Add a high 2nd round pick, two high 3rd round picks, and add a 1st and 2nd rounder for next year.
2) Add a high 2nd round pick and a high 3rd round pick for this year, two 2nd round picks for next year, and Julian Peterson and John Abraham.

So, three very possible options for our draft would be:
1)
#1 pick draft Reggie Bush
#33 pick
#65 pick
#67 pick
#97 pick
#129 pick
#161 pick
#193 pick

2)
#5 pick
#33 pick
#37 pick
#65 pick
#66 pick
#67 pick
#69 pick
#97 pick
#129 pick
#161 pick
#193 pick
Jets 1st round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007

3)
#5 pick
#33 pick
#37 pick
#65 pick
#66 pick
#67 pick
#97 pick
#129 pick
#161 pick
#193 pick
Jets 2nd round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007
Julian Peterson (very good OLB)
John Abraham (very solid DE in 4-3 or OLB in 3-4)

(Bolded picks are what we add from trading #1 pick)

I personally like one of the latter two options.

tulexan
12-13-2005, 09:56 PM
Do we want to pay Julian Peterson though? He is going to demand a very large contract and we still have other holes and our draft picks to sign.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 09:58 PM
1) Add a high 2nd round pick, two high 3rd round picks, and add a 1st and 2nd rounder for next year.
2) Add a high 2nd round pick and a high 3rd round pick for this year, two 2nd round picks for next year, and Julian Peterson and John Abraham.

So, I will do the 2 options i like that you did
#5 pick Eric Winston Ol Miami
#33 pick Maybe Daniel Bullocks SS Nebraska or DeMario Minter CB Georgia or Cedric Griffin CB Texas
#37 pick mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota
#65 pick Tim Day TE Oregon
#66 pick Darrell Hunter CB Miami (oh) or if we go CB in 2nd Benard Pollard SS Purdue or Donnie McClesky SS Cal
#67 pick Manny Lawson OLB NC State
#69 pick Michael Robinson WR Penn State
#97 pick Kimerion Wimbley DE/OLB FLorida State
#129 pick Clinton Soloman Iwoa WR
#161 pick
#193 pick
Jets 1st round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007

this will be different bc of players added... the D will be very much improved if we added those players but that is adding soem salary though.
#5 pick Winston OT Miami
#33 pick Daniel Bullocks SS Nebraska
#37 pick mark Setterstrom OG Minnesota
#65 pick Tim Day TE Oregon
#66 pick Darrell Hunter CB Miami (oh)
#67 pick Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan
#97 pick Chijioke Onyenegecha CB Oklahoma
#129 pick Rob Ninkovich DE/LB Purdue
#161 pick
#193 pick
Jets 2nd round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007
Julian Peterson (very good OLB)
John Abraham (very solid DE in 4-3 or OLB in 3-4)



now we are thinking. Now lets put some names in those slots. Atleast up to 3rd round picks.

F-minus67
12-13-2005, 10:39 PM
OK, after taking some time to reflect on who the texans will trade down to, here is what I have come up with.

The Texans trade the 1st overall pick to the Cardinals, the Texans recieve the Cardinals 9th overall selection and next years 1st round pick, as well as this years second round pick and swap the texans first 3rd round pick for the Cardinals 3rd round pick.

So remove CB Brett Bell from my mock.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 10:42 PM
Thats very possible.. So you think the Cards want Bush or Leinhart? Seems to me they could use both. I cant remember if they drafted a RB last year or not. For some reason the Cards are slippin my mind. I know there Qb isnt the greatest.

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 10:50 PM
Do we want to pay Julian Peterson though? He is going to demand a very large contract and we still have other holes and our draft picks to sign.

That is a very good question that we'd have to figure out when the time comes. I was just posting that as options that could be available. We definitely need some defensive help and Peterson and John Abraham are about the only defensive players on any of those teams that I'd want.

awtysst
12-13-2005, 10:52 PM
Thats very possible.. So you think the Cards want Bush or Leinhart? Seems to me they could use both. I cant remember if they drafted a RB last year or not. For some reason the Cards are slippin my mind. I know there Qb isnt the greatest.

They just drafted JJ Arrington last year at RB and have Shipp as well. They have young Josh Brown at QB and have Kurt Warner at the moment. Are the Cardinals really desperate enough to trade a lot our way? I am not so sure.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 10:54 PM
They just drafted JJ Arrington last year at RB and have Shipp as well. They have young Josh Brown at QB and have Kurt Warner at the moment. Are the Cardinals really desperate enough to trade a lot our way? I am not so sure.


errrrrr.... then if they do its to get Leinhart. But to get the #1 pick they are gonna have to give up a crap load of picks to get to #1. Let me go and look up #'s on that and then i will edit this and figure out what we would require to make that happen

#1 = 3000

#9 = 1400
#41= 500
1st next year only way i can see this happening

unless they part with a grade A player

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 10:55 PM
Thats very possible.. So you think the Cards want Bush or Leinhart? Seems to me they could use both. I cant remember if they drafted a RB last year or not. For some reason the Cards are slippin my mind. I know there Qb isnt the greatest.

The Cards could definitely look for Leinart, but they drafted J.J. Arrington last year so I don't know that they'd trade a bunch to get Bush. The 49ers, Jets, and maybe the Packers would be the most likely candidates for Bush. The Jets (if Pennington is not going to regain full use of his throwing shoulder), Browns (maybe although they just got Frye), Ravens, Lions, Raiders, Saints, and Cardinals would all likely look to trade up for Leinart and/or the next best QB available, so we could very likely trade down twice, maybe even a third time depending on what spots we trade to each time and what QBs come out.

now we are thinking. Now lets put some names in those slots. Atleast up to 3rd round picks.

I don't want to get into specific names just yet, I want to wait until at least the bowl games and all that are done, probably the combine too, but everyone else by all means post your draft wants and we can discuss them.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 11:01 PM
we need to do a scenario for each of those possible trades MorKnolle you named a bunch of teams.... Lets start working on it..

If people see it they will be more interested in it then if we just say lets do this... Lets show them who we could get

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 11:12 PM
we need to do a scenario for each of those possible trades MorKnolle you named a bunch of teams.... Lets start working on it..

If people see it they will be more interested in it then if we just say lets do this... Lets show them who we could get

Well, my preference for our first pick would be Eric Winston (he is currently my choice as best OL). I would like to see us get at least one more offensive lineman in the second round (McNeil, Joseph, Justice, whoever) to play OG, and possibly a C with a second or third round pick since there are a couple good ones available. I also don't really want to look at TE this year even though there are a couple decent ones. I think our main problem with TEs is that our system doesn't use them. I like what I've seen out of Rivers lately and think he could become a pretty good TE, and since Joppru has one year left on his contract I say hold off on drafting a TE and see how these two can do with a new coach and system, and if they don't work out Olsen from Miami will be available next year. Beyond that, get a DE if we are switching to a 4-3, get a CB, get a S (right now I like Huff from UT since he is fast enough to play CB, could have him play CB on normal downs and leave Brown and Earl at S for their tackling, then bump Huff back to FS and bring in other CBs on passing situations). I don't see LB as something we can really spend a high pick on as we have Wong and Greenwood with large contracts and Peek, Orr, and Babin are serviceable, so maybe get an athletic LB in the later rounds if one is available. Maybe look for another WR (definitely need one if Gaffney leave in free agency), if Gaff stays then look for a fast WR in the 4th round and below (maybe 3rd depending on # of picks there). If we could find a nother Mathis-type WR that is super fast but from a smaller school and relatively unknown (especially if he can return punts better than Mathis) to bring in and add to Mathis and AJ we would have some serious speed, and add Gaff's good hands and we have a nice WR group. That said, here are a couple possible scenarios:

1)
#5 pick Eric Winston, OT Miami
#33 pick best interior OL available (McNeil, Justice, Joseph, etc.) I don't have a specific opinion on one yet and have to see how they grade out.
#37 pick DE if we switch to 4-3, otherwise Huff S/CB Texas (Huff may drop depending on how he runs at combine)
#65 pick C (Hodgdon is decent pass blocker but not a great run blocker, so add another for young depth and competition)
#66 pick athletic CB
#67 pick athletic WR
#69 pick athletic LB
#97 pick BPA
#129 pick BPA
#161 pick BPA
#193 pick BPA
Jets 1st round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007

2)
#5 pick Eric Winston, OT Miami
#33 pick best interior OL available (McNeil, Justice, Joseph, etc.) I don't have a specific opinion on one yet and have to see how they grade out.
#37 pick Huff S/CB Texas (Huff may drop depending on how he runs at combine)
#65 pick C (Hodgdon is decent pass blocker but not a great run blocker, so add another for young depth and competition)
#66 pick athletic CB
#67 pick athletic WR
#97 pick BPA
#129 pick BPA
#161 pick BPA
#193 pick BPA
Jets 2nd round pick in 2007
49ers 2nd round pick in 2007
Julian Peterson (very good OLB)
John Abraham (very solid DE in 4-3 or OLB in 3-4)

I don't have a whole lot of specific names yet and probably won't until after the combine, but here are two basic options that could seriously fill some holes in the team. Both of these plans would 1) give us a much better and younger OL, give us a DE and/or OLB (especially in scenario #2), give us an athletic cover S than could play CB too, give us another athletic WR and CB, maybe yield some more athletic LBs in later rounds or anyone else that ends up looking like a good pick. I will develop a more in-depth draft plan later down the road and will include cadahnic and coach c for sure on it, maybe a few others too if we can come to a good consensus plan. That's all for me tonight, I'm going to bed.

royce1054
12-13-2005, 11:15 PM
Well, my preference for our first pick would be Eric Winston (he is currently my choice as best OL). I would like to see us get at least one more offensive lineman in the second round (McNeil, Joseph, Justice, whoever) to play OG, and possibly a C with a second or third round pick since there are a couple good ones available. Beyond that, get a DE if we are switching to a 4-3, get a CB, get a S (right now I like Huff from UT since he is fast enough to play CB, could have him play CB on normal downs and leave Brown and Earl at S for their tackling, then bump Huff back to FS and bring in other CBs on passing situations). I don't see LB as something we can really spend a high pick on as we have Wong and Greenwood with large contracts and Peek, Orr, and Babin are serviceable, so maybe get an athletic LB in the later rounds if one is available. Maybe look for another WR (definitely need one if Gaffney leave in free agency), if Gaff stays then look for a fast WR in the 4th round and below (maybe 3rd depending on # of picks there). If we could find a nother Mathis-type WR that is super fast but from a smaller school and relatively unknown (especially if he can return punts better than Mathis) to bring in and add to Mathis and AJ we would have some serious speed, and add Gaff's good hands and we have a nice WR group.

well lets see whats picks do we have if we made each trade we talked about.... Then we will see what our needs are at each pick from there. I agree on Winston Dbrick is falling and fast. Kinda like what you did earlier now we need to do it for each of those teams and iron out what each team would give us for the #1 pick

royce1054
12-13-2005, 11:28 PM
only prob is Huff will go in top 20

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 11:33 PM
only prob is Huff will go in top 20

Not sure, some have had him slipping all the way to the third, some I've seen have him in the bottom of the first. I haven't seen him go in the top 20 I don't think. A lot of that will depend on how fast he runs at the combine and everything and how his stock rises or falls. We had made a post a while ago about the 8-9 teams that will likely be at the top of the draft and their biggest needs, I'm not sure if it's still in the bull pen or if it's been bumped to the archives. I can check on that tomorrow and we can bring that back up and see what needs those teams will have and who they might be looking to pick or trade up to pick. Anyways, I'm going to bed for tonight.

royce1054
12-14-2005, 01:23 PM
Trust me if he slips to 32 we will take him.

Coach C.
12-14-2005, 02:09 PM
Huff is a low first rounder right now, if he runs in the low 4.3s he will automatically become the second best DB behind Jimmy Williams. Cedric Griffin and most of the corners and FS coming out this year are tweener guys.

Blake
12-14-2005, 02:19 PM
Ill put Huff top 20. He can fill 4 our of 11 roles on any teams defense.

He is only going to get better, and should be the first S/CB off the board.

Jimmy will go before Huff, but strictly as a CB.

royce1054
12-14-2005, 03:08 PM
check out my post in the other thread i had like 5 CB/DB going in the 1st round. He is one i think Alan Zemartius (sp) is the only one that will go after him.

royce1054
12-14-2005, 04:01 PM
check this out i found this off my main posting site

Which i dont like all of it because we dont crave Bush. So in most part its right about the Jets

December 7, 2005 --


A VOICE of NFL front office experience and reason resonated over the phone yesterday, and when the topic of the Jets was broached, he didn't sound very optimistic.
"As long as I can remember," Gil Brandt said, "I've never seen a tougher situation to be in than the Jets are right now."

Brandt spent 30 years with the Cowboys, much of the time as VP of player personnel. Many of today's GMs still consult with him before making big-time decisions.

Brandt was complimentary about the job Herman Edwards and Terry Bradway have done. However, trying to decide which direction they should go, Brandt sounded like someone glad not to be in their shoes.

"If [Chad] Pennington is OK, then your strategy changes," Brandt said. "It then becomes more of: Do I want a running back because Curtis Martin might have hit a wall and is probably not going to get better?"

The Jets are 2-10 and possibly headed to 2-14. That puts them in the middle of the dubious race for the No. 1 pick. The 49ers and Packers are 2-10 also. The Texans are 1-11.

Highly placed Jets sources say they'd prefer not to draft Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart because it would mean investing too much money in one player when they have many holes to fill.



Those sources, too, are not crazy about Leinart because he doesn't possess a strong arm and will command about $24 million.

So, the Jets' best scenario could be this:

They get the second pick behind the Texans, who crave Bush and don't need a QB.

The Texans take Bush, leaving the Jets staring at Leinart, whom a number of QB-needy teams would kill to get.

The Jets find the best suitor and trade the pick, allowing themselves to still draft, say, Memphis State RB DeAngelo Williams in the first round.

The trade, too, brings the Jets either a high second-round or even low first-round pick with which they can draft a QB of the future, maybe Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler.

That still leaves the Jets with their own second-rounder, with which they might find another immediate starter, perhaps on the offensive line.

Those same Jets sources also have indicated they're not willing to start a rookie QB next season, because that would almost certainly lead to another down year. So, with Pennington not expected to throw at game speed until at least training camp, the question becomes: Which veteran QB might be available?

San Diego isn't going to let Drew Brees go. The Chargers might, for the right price, get rid of Philip Rivers, but the Jets are not high on him. Tennessee backup Billy Volek is locked into a long-term deal and is the heir apparent to Steve McNair. Atlanta, according to Falcons' insiders, has no interest in letting backup Matt Schaub loose.

Though Washington's Patrick Ramsey, New Orleans' Aaron Brooks or Tampa Bay's Chris Simms might be available, the Jets might be looking at their 2006 starting QB Sunday at Giants Stadium in Oakland's Kerry Collins, who's not only fallen out of favor with the Raiders, but is owed a huge roster bonus in the spring, which might make him very expendable.

"He took a team [Giants] to the Super Bowl and took a team [Penn State] to a national championship season," Brandt said of Collins. "For the Jets, it all starts with Pennington. Herman Edwards and Terry Bradway need one of those psychic women to tell them what's going to happen with Pennington."

mark.cannizzaro@nypost.com

royce1054
12-14-2005, 04:04 PM
So basically now the Jets are out of the Bush sweepstakes. I dont think the 9ers will give up alot for it. I think that leaves GB for Bush and possibly Tenn for Leinhart.

MorKnolle
12-14-2005, 11:00 PM
This is one person's opinion. I like your thought process in most of your posts but I think you tend to take anything you read on the internet as concrete fact and expert opinion a little too much, you can always find some article written by someone that will support a particular view, and there are a lot of people out there that don't know what they are talking about at all, not to mention the draft is four months away and no one really knows what will happen before then. All I'm saying is read these articles for some alternative opinions but take it with a grain of salt and realize that it is just one person's opinion and no one really knows what will happen.

run-david-run
12-16-2005, 02:23 PM
After the first pick you will not get as much for say the second pick if thats where we went. Everyone knows we are not looking for a QB, unless he were a phenom and there are no Mannings or John Elways this year. If we trade the first pick don't look for a lot of interest our way.(They don't think we would pass on Bush. They do think we would pass on Lienert.) We don't have enough Poker chips to sale anyone on that. And as far as limiting us if we pick Bush, what is that all about? We do get more than one pick this year.
Yeah, but the teams in the 5-7 range know the teams behind us, (New Orleans, Jets) might be looking for Leinart and will want to trade up to our spot in order to grab him ahead of their rivals, therefore, we should still get great value becuase it would be a bidding war. We could end up with a boatload of picks if we play it right.:yahoo:

royce1054
12-16-2005, 03:17 PM
well the drop from 1-2 is deep but it would almost be as equal to a 2-7 or a 2-10.