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DRAMA
12-11-2005, 10:47 PM
I guess I'm not understanding something. The vile towards Reggie Bush to me seems to rival the vile towards the Cowboys...as if Reggie is the enemy and has done something wrong. Another thing that I find hard to understand is WHY we (Those of us who want Bush for OUR team) are WITHOUT QUESTION completely and utterly wrong?

How can drafting Reggie Bush AUTOMATICALLY be the wrong thing if I, SOME others on this board, SOME experts around the NFL, SOME Coaches, SOME Media, SOME fans in general want and think that his skills will help 'our' team?

How can we be AUTOMATICALLY and completely wrong but everyone who does NOT want Bush is AUTOMATICALLY right?

How is that? Does it also mean that if we want Bush that we're Texan haters? Kinda like us who think David needs to step up and get better are AUTOMATICALLY called Carr-haters?

If we want Kubiak/ Jimmy Johnson and the anti-Bush people want, let's say, Pete Carroll/ Al Saunders...does that mean we're wrong in this area too? Because if we're not wrong about one thing then maybe we could be right about Bush. If THAT's the case, then how can we be told BUSH is AUTOMATICALLY wrong for us and our team?

Two things:

1. Those of us who want Bush would most likely be happy with and top flight OL, maybe Hawk, maybe Marcedes, maybe an extra #1, etc...(IMHO)

but

2. If Bush is 'OUR' selection, and by 'OUR' I mean everyone who follows the Texans, could those people enjoy watching Bush or would that same anti-Bush vile be prevalent in their posts?

No tone - No inflection - just an opinion.

utahmark
12-11-2005, 10:51 PM
I guess I'm not understanding something. The vile towards Reggie Bush to me seems to rival the vile towards the Cowboys...as if Reggie is the enemy and has done something wrong. Another thing that I find hard to understand is WHY we (Those of us who want Bush for OUR team) are WITHOUT QUESTION completely and utterly wrong?

How can drafting Reggie Bush AUTOMATICALLY be the wrong thing if I, SOME others on this board, SOME experts around the NFL, SOME Coaches, SOME Media, SOME fans in general want and think that his skills will help 'our' team?

How can we be AUTOMATICALLY and completely wrong but everyone who does NOT want Bush is AUTOMATICALLY right?

How is that? Does it also mean that if we want Bush that we're Texan haters? Kinda like us who think David needs to step up and get better are AUTOMATICALLY called Carr-haters?

If we want Kubiak/ Jimmy Johnson and the anti-Bush people want, let's say, Pete Carroll/ Al Saunders...does that mean we're wrong in this area too? Because if we're not wrong about one thing then maybe we could be right about Bush. If THAT's the case, then how can we be told BUSH is AUTOMATICALLY wrong for us and our team?

Two things:

1. Those of us who want Bush would most likely be happy with and top flight OL, maybe Hawk, maybe Marcedes, maybe an extra #1, etc...(IMHO)

2. If Bush is 'OUR' selection, and by 'OUR' I mean everyone who follows the Texans, could those people enjoy watching Bush or would that same anti-Bush vile be prevalent in their posts?

No tone - No inflection - just an opinion.

i hope we dont get bush but the second they call his name ill be his biggest fan. ive also heard some good things about his attitude so it shouldnt be hard for us to like him.

your still wrong though!!!

DRAMA
12-11-2005, 10:52 PM
Well, I was hoping I wrong about people being divided so it's good to know that IF, and that's still I gigantic IF, he's the pick that he becomes Public Favorite #1!

tulexan
12-11-2005, 10:52 PM
Reggie Bush is seen as the enemy for two reasons.
1) He is seen as being the one to replace a fan favorite like Dominack Davis. (Although I don't see why we couldn't have both on the team)
2) He is playing for the enemy in some eyes, and by enemy I mean USC who is playing against Texas in the Rose Bowl.

If we do get Bush, which I hope we do, I think a lot of the anti-Bush people will convert to pro-Bush people when they see how he produces. I also think that a lot of anti-Bush people might convert when they see how dominating he is against Texas.

CajunTexan
12-11-2005, 10:59 PM
Well, I was hoping I wrong about people being divided so it's good to know that IF, and that's still I gigantic IF, he's the pick that he becomes Public Favorite #1!

Drama...I think the issue is not the selection of Bush. What I see as the issue, is the attitude of some that seem to want the team to "intentionally" loose in order to draft Bush.

What I want is for the Texans to go out and play their a**** off and hopefully win every game they play. If the outcome of that effort is that we end up 1-15 and draft Bush, great. But, just the same if the outcome of that effort is we end up 4-12 and draft whoever, that is fine also.:texflag:

Grid
12-11-2005, 11:01 PM
Id be fine with getting bush and I would root for him every Sunday. I honestly think that he COULD end up being a great back in the NFL.. maybe one of the best.. but I still think he is the WRONG decision for this team. We have DD who is himself a very good back who could possibly be great if he had more help.

We NEED an Oline.. we NEED a passing game.. we dont NEED Reggie Bush.

But like I said.. if we take him.. ill be happy to have him... though I will feel like we completely and utterly betrayed Davis. it would, to me, be the same as drafting a WR to replace Johnson. I think Johnson is awesome..potentially one of the best in the league.. but we have misused him and our lack of pass protection makes him look worse than he is..by far. Drafting a WR to replace him would not solve any of our problems.. it would just be us turning our backs on a great player who we have not properly utilized.. and replacing him with another potentially great player who we still will not be able to properly utilize..cause our line sucks.

It is the exact same way with Davis.. hes playing great..hes a great back.. he has tons of heart and a great work ethic.. but here we are talking about replacing him... and actually its not exactly the same, because with Davis, he HAS performed at a high level.. he HAS shown that he is a talented RB.. but still we look to replace him. It would be a major stab in the back to Davis if we drafted his replacement.. instead of drafting the Olinemen we need to fix our offense and let Davis really shine.

Hardcore Texan
12-11-2005, 11:05 PM
I really like Reggie Bush, he is a very humble, talented, and spectactular young man. He will be a fantastic pro athelete. That being said, I don't know if he is the answer for our team versus trading down for a bunch of picks. When is the last time we made good choices anyway. But I am certainly not a Bush - hater by any stretch of the imagination. It will be very hard decision, how do you pass on a talent like Bush, and how do you address all the other needs of this team ( Offense and Deffense ).

I guess I don't understand how anyone can be over-critical of a decision that has not happened yet, especially considering the impending coaching changes.

Wolf
12-11-2005, 11:10 PM
Id be fine with getting bush and I would root for him every Sunday. I honestly think that he COULD end up being a great back in the NFL.. maybe one of the best.. but I still think he is the WRONG decision for this team. We have DD who is himself a very good back who could possibly be great if he had more help.

We NEED an Oline.. we NEED a passing game.. we dont NEED Reggie Bush.

But like I said.. if we take him.. ill be happy to have him... though I will feel like we completely and utterly betrayed Davis. it would, to me, be the same as drafting a WR to replace Johnson. I think Johnson is awesome..potentially one of the best in the league.. but we have misused him and our lack of pass protection makes him look worse than he is..by far. Drafting a WR to replace him would not solve any of our problems.. it would just be us turning our backs on a great player who we have not properly utilized.. and replacing him with another potentially great player who we still will not be able to properly utilize..cause our line sucks.

It is the exact same way with Davis.. hes playing great..hes a great back.. he has tons of heart and a great work ethic.. but here we are talking about replacing him... and actually its not exactly the same, because with Davis, he HAS performed at a high level.. he HAS shown that he is a talented RB.. but still we look to replace him. It would be a major stab in the back to Davis if we drafted his replacement.. instead of drafting the Olinemen we need to fix our offense and let Davis really shine.


I can agree with that.. Although I think Davis is solid but not spectacular.. I would like to see an upgrade in OL .. a legit TE and a number 2 WR.. I think davis could be effective in this league.(week in and week out)

Hardcore Texan
12-11-2005, 11:10 PM
Id be fine with getting bush and I would root for him every Sunday. I honestly think that he COULD end up being a great back in the NFL.. maybe one of the best.. but I still think he is the WRONG decision for this team. We have DD who is himself a very good back who could possibly be great if he had more help.

We NEED an Oline.. we NEED a passing game.. we dont NEED Reggie Bush.

But like I said.. if we take him.. ill be happy to have him... though I will feel like we completely and utterly betrayed Davis. it would, to me, be the same as drafting a WR to replace Johnson. I think Johnson is awesome..potentially one of the best in the league.. but we have misused him and our lack of pass protection makes him look worse than he is..by far. Drafting a WR to replace him would not solve any of our problems.. it would just be us turning our backs on a great player who we have not properly utilized.. and replacing him with another potentially great player who we still will not be able to properly utilize..cause our line sucks.

It is the exact same way with Davis.. hes playing great..hes a great back.. he has tons of heart and a great work ethic.. but here we are talking about replacing him... and actually its not exactly the same, because with Davis, he HAS performed at a high level.. he HAS shown that he is a talented RB.. but still we look to replace him. It would be a major stab in the back to Davis if we drafted his replacement.. instead of drafting the Olinemen we need to fix our offense and let Davis really shine.


This is a nice assessment of what is going on, not that I wouldn't welcome a talented guy like Bush.

I also read somewhere that Davis was asked about drafting Bush and is very aware of what the fans are calling for....I just hope he knows there are plenty of us who couldn't love him more.

DD is awesome! :texflag:

MorKnolle
12-11-2005, 11:12 PM
I do not have a problem with Bush, I think he will be a good, probably very good NFL player, and I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Texans other than I think he would not fit very well with the way our team is currently put together and I think that what we would possibly be giving up on to draft him (top OLineman and multiple extra draft picks) outweighs the benefits of getting him. If Bush comes here then by all means I will support and root for him but I personally do not see him as being the best option for our team at this point. If he'd come out last year before Davis solidified himself as our main RB and before his contract extension and before seeing so many holes develop in our team then I'd be in the Reggie Bush camp, but as our team currently is I am left believing that it is in our best interest to move in a different direction.

WWJD
12-11-2005, 11:13 PM
The main thing for the Texans is whatever player or players they pick in the upcoming draft they get on the field AND produce. The Texans are in desperate need of playmakers...players that make the difference between winning and losing. Whether it's offense or defense I don't care. Just get a PLAYMAKER!

Wolf
12-11-2005, 11:13 PM
take this for what it is worth.. talking about running styles and not people

If Bush ran like Earl Campbell. with speed and flat out ran over people etc.. I could see us taking him.. reasoning because of how bad Earls line was and how bad Bush's line would be here ...

samomin
12-11-2005, 11:16 PM
Its just a thought but what if Reggie Bush pulls an Eli manning before the draft. :offtopic

WWJD
12-11-2005, 11:19 PM
He hasn't even said he is coming out. He may do just what Leinart did last year.

Hervoyel
12-11-2005, 11:26 PM
What has happened Drama is that in the course of arguing back and forth about what to do with the draft pick (should we get it) we have reached a point where the sides have become so polarized that there's just no point in talking about this with anyone who disagrees with you. I mean that whether you're on the draft Reggie Bush side or if you're on the "whatever else it was you wanted to do with the pick" side. It's just pointless to talk about it from here on out.

We still will talk about it of course. That's why there's a board here to post messages. It's just that you're not going to be able to talk about it for long before the conversation degenerates into a bitter disagreement. I've already placed a handful of posters on ignore over this (and my ignore amounted to exactly one poster before the subject of Reggie Bush came up).

I figure I'll resume talking to these people and reading what they have to say within a few minutes of the pick being either used or traded. Until then I just don't care.

Wolf
12-11-2005, 11:27 PM
What has happened Drama is that in the course of arguing back and forth about what to do with the draft pick (should we get it) we have reached a point where the sides have become so polarized that there's just no point in talking about this with anyone who disagrees with you. I mean that whether you're on the draft Reggie Bush side or if you're on the "whatever else it was you wanted to do with the pick" side. It's just pointless to talk about it from here on out.

We still will talk about it of course. That's why there's a board here to post messages. It's just that you're not going to be able to talk about it for long before the conversation degenerates into a bitter disagreement. I've already placed a handful of posters on ignore over this (and my ignore amounted to exactly one poster before the subject of Reggie Bush came up).

I figure I'll resume talking to these people and reading what they have to say within a few minutes of the pick being either used or traded. Until then I just don't care.

I dont know about you but I first thought the "sean Taylor" threads were wild. Last year was DJ and that took it to a new level.. now ...we have hit the stratusphere with the RB threads :goodnight

Honch Delgado
12-11-2005, 11:31 PM
He already took out a multimillion $ insurance policy so he most likely is coming out. I would like him in the backfield as well as Davis splitting carries, a nice 1-2 punch. I also wouldn't mind trading down as long as we took good prospects and they don't turn out to be bums.

Grid
12-11-2005, 11:31 PM
I dont know about you but I first thought the "sean Taylor" threads were wild. Last year was DJ and that took it to a new level.. now ...we have hit the stratusphere with the RB threads


at this rate of increase.. im figuring we will see bloodshed by 2007.. and the U.N. will have to step in around 2010-2012.

Hervoyel
12-11-2005, 11:33 PM
Sean Taylor made me nervous but I recall not really having a solid opinion about him. DJ I was very much opposed to passing up though and felt that the Texans made a sick mistake in doing that. Time will tell. Reggie Bush I also feel strongly about and think if we get the chance we should take him.

Time will tell of course but yeah, this is going to be an ugly time on the board.

angeltexus
12-11-2005, 11:35 PM
Lets for one minute jump into this dream that Bush will automatically score 2-3 touchdowns per game. Heck if we draft a good lineman, tight end and another widereceiver (Andre, Dominick, and Carr to tightends) could score just as much. I think Reggie is just to small and might end up being another bust on the runningbacks list.

Wolf
12-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Sean Taylor made me nervous but I recall not really having a solid opinion about him. DJ I was very much opposed to passing up though and felt that the Texans made a sick mistake in doing that. Time will tell. Reggie Bush I also feel strongly about and think if we get the chance we should take him.

Time will tell of course but yeah, this is going to be an ugly time on the board.

About drafting Bush and the way the year has gone.
I think the way things are going for the Texans, I think of that retirement commercial where it shows the Cowboys getting running back with the first pick and the guy does his heisman pose yet falls down the stairs ... :bomb: and the punchline is like "life comes fast"
something along that line

Wolf
12-11-2005, 11:38 PM
Go ahead ruin Reggie Bush's career like you did to David Carr's.
If your crappy OL can't block for DC, then why could they for Reggie?

-USC alum 1986
because we can run block but can't pass block :challenge

Hervoyel
12-11-2005, 11:42 PM
Lets for one minute jump into this dream that Bush will automatically score 2-3 touchdowns per game. Heck if we draft a good lineman, tight end and another widereceiver (Andre, Dominick, and Carr to tightends) could score just as much. I think Reggie is just to small and might end up being another bust on the runningbacks list.

You automatically assume that everyone who thinks drafting Reggie Bush is dreaming that he will score 2-3 touchdowns per game. That's not exactly the truth.

I've seen many people opposed to drafting Reggie Bush claim that those who want him have unrealistic expectations. On the other hand I've only seen a couple of truly "out there" posters thinking Reggie Bush is going to leap a tall building in a single bound every Sunday.

zeplin
12-11-2005, 11:46 PM
Detroit had Barry Sanders undoubtably one of the greatest if not the greatest RB of all time. They failed to build a superbowl caliber team to play around him. I like Reggie Bush and it is exciting to watch his magic act and if he ended up here I would enjoy watching him play. That being said I feel that if we fail to address the real problems on this team it won't matter how exciting he is to watch when your 1-11 1-12 1-13 will it really matter. I have been in pain for a entire football season It almost smells like Bud is in the house again.
Offensive line.....D'BRICKASHAW FERGUSON this is a better solution to our overall problem. No passing game.

Goldeagle
12-11-2005, 11:49 PM
I guess I'm not understanding something. The vile towards Reggie Bush to me seems to rival the vile towards the Cowboys...as if Reggie is the enemy and has done something wrong. Another thing that I find hard to understand is WHY we (Those of us who want Bush for OUR team) are WITHOUT QUESTION completely and utterly wrong?

How can drafting Reggie Bush AUTOMATICALLY be the wrong thing if I, SOME others on this board, SOME experts around the NFL, SOME Coaches, SOME Media, SOME fans in general want and think that his skills will help 'our' team?

How can we be AUTOMATICALLY and completely wrong but everyone who does NOT want Bush is AUTOMATICALLY right?

How is that? Does it also mean that if we want Bush that we're Texan haters? Kinda like us who think David needs to step up and get better are AUTOMATICALLY called Carr-haters?

If we want Kubiak/ Jimmy Johnson and the anti-Bush people want, let's say, Pete Carroll/ Al Saunders...does that mean we're wrong in this area too? Because if we're not wrong about one thing then maybe we could be right about Bush. If THAT's the case, then how can we be told BUSH is AUTOMATICALLY wrong for us and our team?

Two things:

1. Those of us who want Bush would most likely be happy with and top flight OL, maybe Hawk, maybe Marcedes, maybe an extra #1, etc...(IMHO)

but

2. If Bush is 'OUR' selection, and by 'OUR' I mean everyone who follows the Texans, could those people enjoy watching Bush or would that same anti-Bush vile be prevalent in their posts?

No tone - No inflection - just an opinion.


I have not seen anyone hate on Bush. I dont want him but I dont hate the guy. I want the Offensive line we have all wanted after year 1 just our staff had no clue what we all knew.

If we take Bush ok, I hope he lives up to everything they make him out to be. But I do feel he is a bit undersized to sustain the NFL schedule.

tulexan
12-11-2005, 11:55 PM
Lets for one minute jump into this dream that Bush will automatically score 2-3 touchdowns per game. Heck if we draft a good lineman, tight end and another widereceiver (Andre, Dominick, and Carr to tightends) could score just as much. I think Reggie is just to small and might end up being another bust on the runningbacks list.

I'm sorry but I'm not buying the too small argument. Warrick Dunn is 180 pounds. Tiki Barber is 200. Tatum Bell is 212. Reggie Bush at the beginning of the season was listed at 200 pounds. I have seen recently that he is 205. He entered USC at 185. That means that he has gained 20 pounds and not only has he not lost a step, but he has gotten better. This is all before he has entered the NFL and been subject to an NFL diet and weight rooms. He will add probably 10 or 15 pounds of muscle once he does so.

SESupergenius
12-11-2005, 11:55 PM
I've seen enough of Bush to know that he is very good at running the ball and catching it out of the backfield. I loved it that Tomlinson took him under his wing last spring and showed him the ropes. My only concern is his pass blocking abilities and between the tackles running. This I will have to watch more when he goes against Texas. After looking at it, having him and DD on the team is not as bad as you think. Just look at KC(Holmes, KJ) and a host of other teams that have 2 very good backs. Although that would leave us with 5 backs now and no hope for Morency, a 3rd round pick that once again was wasted, thank you Casserly. It wouldn't bother me if we took Bush, but it wouldn't bother me either me either if we took a talent like DeAngelo Williams if we traded down a couple of slots and picked up some extra draft picks to fill our other needs in Safety, TE, Oline and LB.

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 12:02 AM
Cool! Green Bay just gave us another game of breathing room from them. The Jets got a win today too. All of the previously 2-10 teams are cooperating except for San Francisco.

Now if the 49ers can find it in their heart to win one more game before we play them I'll be a happy man.

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:03 AM
I just think that our biggest need - OL - can be addressed through free agency or other rounds. We can't get a Bush in FA.

I think Reggie and DD could EASILY...EASILY find a way to coexist - like the Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins, Patriots, etc.. I think that if you draft Bush, he'll eventually become the main guy...DD WAS drafted to be a 3rd down back anyway.

But even if DD is in, Bush easily splits to the slot.

And one other HUGE NOTE....

Reggie will NOT be running behind THIS line.
Carr will NOT be throwing behind THIS line.
Our new coach will NOT tolerate THIS line.

...and we will NOT be running this 8th grade offense next year. All we can do is predict with Bush but that prediction comes with a coach, OL, draft, etc prediction as well. BUT..if we can Hershel Walker someone, I wish Reggie the best of luck!

Goldeagle
12-12-2005, 12:03 AM
Cool! Green Bay just gave us another game of breathing room from them. The Jets got a win today too. All of the previously 2-10 teams are cooperating except for San Francisco.

Now if the 49ers can find it in their heart to win one more game before we play them I'll be a happy man.


Yeah we have to face those pesky 49ers! Wonder what that game will look like?

Each team just downing the ball?

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:04 AM
Reggie Bush is seen as the enemy for two reasons.
1) He is seen as being the one to replace a fan favorite like Dominack Davis. (Although I don't see why we couldn't have both on the team)
2) He is playing for the enemy in some eyes, and by enemy I mean USC who is playing against Texas in the Rose Bowl.

If we do get Bush, which I hope we do, I think a lot of the anti-Bush people will convert to pro-Bush people when they see how he produces. I also think that a lot of anti-Bush people might convert when they see how dominating he is against Texas.
Definately. I think that we have proven our O-Line needs tons of help, but if we do draft Reggie, I am definately going to support him. Its really a matter of which option will help us most, not which option will help us

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 12:04 AM
Yeah we have to face those pesky 49ers! Wonder what that game will look like?

Each team just downing the ball?


Nope. Each team will snap the ball and immediatly run back to it's own endzone to await the safety.

Goldeagle
12-12-2005, 12:05 AM
Nope. Each team will snap the ball and immediatly run back to it's own endzone to await the safety.


LOL

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:09 AM
I'm sorry but I'm not buying the too small argument. Warrick Dunn is 180 pounds. Tiki Barber is 200. Tatum Bell is 212. Reggie Bush at the beginning of the season was listed at 200 pounds. I have seen recently that he is 205. He entered USC at 185. That means that he has gained 20 pounds and not only has he not lost a step, but he has gotten better. This is all before he has entered the NFL and been subject to an NFL diet and weight rooms. He will add probably 10 or 15 pounds of muscle once he does so.


Perfectly said. If Brick can put on weight with an NFL strength team, I would bet that system will work for Bush as well. And as for running between the tackles, I'd rather him do what DD does right now and simply cut back. The notion that a back has to be a runner between the tackles is completely overrated and has become a fantasy-type urban legend litmus test. Larry Johnson, Priest, LT all run through the Tackles....they just cut back better than everyone else.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:09 AM
Lets for one minute jump into this dream that Bush will automatically score 2-3 touchdowns per game. Heck if we draft a good lineman, tight end and another widereceiver (Andre, Dominick, and Carr to tightends) could score just as much. I think Reggie is just to small and might end up being another bust on the runningbacks list.
The one thing I have figured out about football is to never count anyone out because they were "too small". LT was told he was too small.

PS: People are also saying D'Brick is too small (weight wise), hopefully we will draft him and he will prove critics wrong

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:11 AM
but it wouldn't bother me either me either if we took a talent like DeAngelo Williams

see this would make me mad. the only reason why i like Bush is because of his versatility.

By the way the Niners-Texans game will be a 0-0 tie.

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:11 AM
Nope. Each team will snap the ball and immediatly run back to it's own endzone to await the safety.


I don't know what sadder - that I laughed out loud sitting alone or that I could picture that scenario actually happening!! :)

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:12 AM
Perfectly said. If Brick can put on weight with an NFL strength team, I would bet that system will work for Bush as well. And as for running between the tackles, I'd rather him do what DD does right now and simply cut back. The notion that a back has to be a runner between the tackles is completely overrated and has become a fantasy-type urban legend litmus test. Larry Johnson, Priest, LT all run through the Tackles....they just cut back better than everyone else.
I dont think that Bush could do what DD does now, break tackles and move the pile. A great example was when Haynsworth had him wrapped up in the backfield but he broke away for 4 yds.

Goldeagle
12-12-2005, 12:13 AM
I look at way to many RBs who were drafted first and did nothing. I also look at Cadillac Williams and how he got injured and tired.

Look at Detroit, kept drafting "playmakers" yet they dont have a line.

It all starts with the O-line and with DD and Wells backing him up we DONT need help at the Running Back Position. We do need BIG TIME help (as we all have known for 4 years) at the O-line position.

I cant say Bush wont be great, I dont know. I just dont think we need him.

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:15 AM
Reggie Bush actually does run between the tackles. One of his best runs of the year (Against Notre Dame where he hurdled a defender) started where he was running between the tackles and then changed direction 90 degrees and burst through the hole and over a defender. He also will start to run between the tackles and then bounce the run to the outside with a cut back.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:15 AM
After 4 years of screamming at the TV about the crappy pass blocking, you would think its about time everyone agrees we should devote the draft to the O-line (like the 'Girls did last year to the D)

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:17 AM
Reggie Bush actually does run between the tackles. One of his best runs of the year (Against Notre Dame where he hurdled a defender) started where he was running between the tackles and then changed direction 90 degrees and burst through the hole and over a defender. He also will start to run between the tackles and then bounce the run to the outside with a cut back.
Most of his successfull inside runs are some forms of cutback because he has an extramly dominant O-line, like VY at Texas. Dont expect too much of that here. I remember watching the UCLA game and thinking "damn, thats a huge hole!" when USC ran the ball.

I have NEVER said that when I have watched the Texans games

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 12:17 AM
shut up you're all WRONG WRONG WRONG Reggie Bush is the next Gale Sayers except 100 times better!!


Dbrickashaw has the frame of a 12 year old girl!

Reggie is built like a lumberjack!!




hehe- btw im a pro reggie

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:18 AM
I saw some big holes that Dominack ran through today

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:18 AM
how long did sayers last in the NFL?

Exactly

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:19 AM
After 4 years of screamming at the TV about the crappy pass blocking, you would think its about time everyone agrees we should devote the draft to the O-line (like the 'Girls did last year to the D)


I COMPLETELY agree...I just don't think there is 1 tackle in this draft that is Gallery/ Gross type of Tackle. Trades, Free Agency, rounds 2,3,4,5,6,7 also have to be included in OL help alternatives. No Lineman in this draft is even thought of as a Pace, Ogden, or Walter Jones. There's no OL that's even Robert Gallery. My personal preference is not an average OL but someone who a great deal of people think may develop into a pure, schemed for type of weapon. Average OL will be all over FA. Last year, we could've gotten 3-4 REAL good lineman - but for some reason, we passed on them.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:20 AM
I saw some big holes that Dominack ran through today
Most of his big gains were just good decisons on which hole. On the 44 yarder the linbacker overpursued and made a great cut, it wasnt as much the blocking as it was the running from DD.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:21 AM
I COMPLETELY agree...I just don't think there is 1 tackle in this draft that is Gallery/ Gross type of Tackle. Trades, Free Agency, rounds 2,3,4,5,6,7 also have to be included in OL help alternatives. No Lineman in this draft is even thought of as a Pace, Ogden, or Walter Jones. There's no OL that's even Robert Gallery. My personal preference is not an average OL but someone who a great deal of people think may develop into a pure, schemed for type of weapon. Average OL will be all over FA. Last year, we could've gotten 3-4 REAL good lineman - but for some reason, we passed on them.
I think your missing a round on your draft there...:challenge

What linemen are you talking about last year?

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:21 AM
Most of his successfull inside runs are some forms of cutback because he has an extramly dominant O-line, like VY at Texas. Dont expect too much of that here. I remember watching the UCLA game and thinking "damn, thats a huge hole!" when USC ran the ball.

I have NEVER said that when I have watched the Texans games

The question is then why does no one consider Lendale White anything other than a possibly above average future NFL back?

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:23 AM
Most of his big gains were just good decisons on which hole. On the 44 yarder the linbacker overpursued and made a great cut, it wasnt as much the blocking as it was the running from DD.


So you are saying that Reggie Bush, who has the some of the best moves in the NCAA and is one of the best instinctual runners to come out in a long time couldn't choose which hole to hit and make people over pursue?

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:24 AM
The question is then why does no one consider Lendale White anything other than a possibly above average future NFL back?
I think the way LenDale runs is more consitent in the NFL. You know what you are gonna get with him, no one knows for sure what your gonna get with Bush

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:25 AM
So you are saying that Reggie Bush, who has the some of the best moves in the NCAA and is one of the best instinctual runners to come out in a long time couldn't choose which hole to hit and make people over pursue?
Big differance between college and the pros

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:25 AM
I think LenDale could be another Shaun Alexander. They are both similar size and speed, but I think LenDale is a better receiver.

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 12:27 AM
I think LenDale could be another Shaun Alexander. They are both similar size and speed, but I think LenDale is a better receiver.


i think reggie is legit, but lendale im not so sure.

hes kinda slow, and doesnt make many or really anyone miss.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:27 AM
I think LenDale could be another Shaun Alexander. They are both similar size and speed, but I think LenDale is a better receiver.
It always helps when you have your left side going to the Pro Bowls (Jones and Hutchinson). LenDale is the protoypical RB, should have a good pro career, maybe even great.

This could be a very good draft

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:28 AM
Big differance between college and the pros

Reggie makes more people miss then I have ever seen. His skills in college will translate to professional success. Reggie is faster and has better moves than Dominack. He would have been able to make that run, but probably would have taken it to the house.

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:29 AM
i think reggie is legit, but lendale im not so sure.

hes kinda slow, and doesnt make many or really anyone miss.
LenDale is deceptively fast and he does have some moves, he is also vey hard to bring down, he runs very hard and is a perfect 1-2 punch with Reggie

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 12:32 AM
I saw some big holes that Dominack ran through today

As did we all but you can't say that tulexan because if you do then you're disrespecting the juggernaught that is Domanick Davis (which is bad since you're also talkin about drafting another running back so that equals disrespect on top of disrespect).

Much like people who are critical of David Carr get derided as "Carr Haters" people who think drafting Reggie Bush is a good idea catch flak for some perceived slight against Domanick Davis. That's one half of the reason this gets so ugly. People take it personal if you don't stand up, put your hand on your heart, and swear that DD would be a monster back too if he only had a line to block for him.

The holes you saw didn't exist. They were like the Emperors new clothes. Domanick created those holes all on his own out of sheer brute strength and shiftyness. The wouldn't be there if Reggie Bush was drafted by the Texans and put in DD's place.

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 12:33 AM
I can't for the life of me remember those linemen -

Wasn't Rivera available? He went to Dallas, right?
I think Wahle was the other Packer that became available. Also, didn't the Bears pick up 2 linemen through FA?

I'm just saying that lots of OL help will become available after salary caps are reassesed and such. IMHO - I'd rather go with a proven OL guy through FA and go with Bush and then draft OL in the 2,3,4, etc...than i would spending our top pick with Brick. That's just my view point.

I think with a new coach (O&D), new system(O&D), some leaders, and another weapon added to the team, I REALLY believe we can get back in this thing next year.

This draft is so deep at OL, i think we can pick up a starter in the 2nd or 3rd. Whitworth and that kid from LSU may very well be as good as Brick or Winston (Probably not though if Winston stays healthy).

run-david-run
12-12-2005, 12:35 AM
As did we all but you can't say that tulexan because if you do then you're disrespecting the juggernaught that is Domanick Davis (which is bad since you're also talkin about drafting another running back so that equals disrespect on top of disrespect).

Much like people who are critical of David Carr get derided as "Carr Haters" people who think drafting Reggie Bush is a good idea catch flak for some perceived slight against Domanick Davis. That's one half of the reason this gets so ugly. People take it personal if you don't stand up, put your hand on your heart, and swear that DD would be a monster back too if he only had a line to block for him.

The holes you saw didn't exist. They were like the Emperors new clothes. Domanick created those holes all on his own out of sheer brute strength and shiftyness. The wouldn't be there if Reggie Bush was drafted by the Texans and put in DD's place.

Its a good thing we have an impartial, level-headed moderator to step in and set us all straight. By the way, the 6 sacks and 9 hurrys on DC also didnt happen, we dont really NEED O-line help, its just a bad dream

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:36 AM
As did we all but you can't say that tulexan because if you do then you're disrespecting the juggernaught that is Domanick Davis (which is bad since you're also talkin about drafting another running back so that equals disrespect on top of disrespect).

Much like people who are critical of David Carr get derided as "Carr Haters" people who think drafting Reggie Bush is a good idea catch flak for some perceived slight against Domanick Davis. That's one half of the reason this gets so ugly. People take it personal if you don't stand up, put your hand on your heart, and swear that DD would be a monster back too if he only had a line to block for him.

The holes you saw didn't exist. They were like the Emperors new clothes. Domanick created those holes all on his own out of sheer brute strength and shiftyness. The wouldn't be there if Reggie Bush was drafted by the Texans and put in DD's place.

Is that what happened with Dominack and the phantom holes? I actually was starting to think that he some how teleported around the defenders to get through the line.

I guess that is what Reggie hasn't mastered that Dominack has, the art of teleportation.

LoneStarState
12-12-2005, 12:39 AM
If you have the number 1 pick - you take the best player. In this case - that would be Reggie Bush. Some experts say that it takes 3 to 4 years to develop OL picks. Casserly & Co. should have done that in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. Instead, they wasted picks on stupid trades (a al PBuch and Babin), busts (Joppru), and projects (Seth Wand). The only way to fix the OL quickly will be through free agency or trading for vets. So - you take Reggie Bush. I am a very big DD fan, BUT... when you get this shot - you don't pass it up.

This team needs to be shook just short of being rebuilt. There are a few solid pieces for a foundation - but there are a lot of holes. The Texans are not close to being a playoff team - far from it. Hopefully, a new coaching staff and GM will do things right this time.

Grid
12-12-2005, 12:42 AM
well... according to what ive read.. there are no quality OL that will be available in FA next season. So instead you draft OL, bring in a good OL coach, and see if he cant do with our line what ol' whats his name did with the young line in San Diego.

Bush solves none of our problems. Ignoring the Oline now does not fix any of our problems. we ignored it in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005.. using the same excuse you are using now.. and it hasnt worked. Quit ignoring it.. do the right thing.

and if you have the #1 overall pick.. you take the best player.. OR.. you trade down. Trading down this year could net us quite a few more picks.. and we have alot of needs.

tulexan
12-12-2005, 12:46 AM
I think Bush does solve a problem of ours. A major problem actually. We have a problem of not scoring touchdowns and Reggie Bush likes to score touchdowns.

We have lost 5 or 6 games by a touchdown or less so far. One more playmaker on this team could have made this a 6-7 or a 7-6 team at least so far.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 12:46 AM
First you usually dont pick up a quality Tackle in FA. The last to hit the market and really do well is Kareem McKenzie and he did not project as the Giants LT. You get your LT in the draft. Yeah Pitts has done a good job, but as you noticed he is a bit more of a mauler than sweet hipped like most LTs. Reggie Bush is a great college running back, maybe destined to be a great NFL RB, but he has not played a down yet so I just dont give a damn. You build a line through FA and you end up with the 3rd highest paid line that cant block. DD had a great game, and has had a great season, I have not seen Reggie Bush break alot of tackles and for the most part everytime he runs up the middle the first guy that touches him brings him down. I believe that if we had him we would run more stretch plays to nullify this downside of his slight frame, so dont think I am knocking him. Just understand that he and he alone will not help us. Yet locking down an extra second or third and another first next year would.

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Its a good thing we have an impartial, level-headed moderator to step in and set us all straight. By the way, the 6 sacks and 9 hurrys on DC also didnt happen, we dont really NEED O-line help, its just a bad dream

What do you think I am? A Judge or something? I was asked to moderate which mostly amounts to removing the cleverly spelled bad words from posts and deleting the ones that become personal attacks. Nobody ever said I had to be even remotely impartial to anyone.

You're right though, we need offensive line help. We need an offensive line coach who can actually coach. Carr's been sacked 60+ times this year? He'll beat his own record for sacks this season and the sack total has been on it's way up since the day Joe Pendry began working with our linemen.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 12:51 AM
Can anyone say Dennison. He is Alex gibbs protege' take advantage people. He could be a package deal with Kubiak. hmmmmm....

Napa Auto Parts
12-12-2005, 01:24 AM
I guess I'm not understanding something. The vile towards Reggie Bush to me seems to rival the vile towards the Cowboys...as if Reggie is the enemy and has done something wrong. Another thing that I find hard to understand is WHY we (Those of us who want Bush for OUR team) are WITHOUT QUESTION completely and utterly wrong?

How can drafting Reggie Bush AUTOMATICALLY be the wrong thing if I, SOME others on this board, SOME experts around the NFL, SOME Coaches, SOME Media, SOME fans in general want and think that his skills will help 'our' team?

How can we be AUTOMATICALLY and completely wrong but everyone who does NOT want Bush is AUTOMATICALLY right?

How is that? Does it also mean that if we want Bush that we're Texan haters? Kinda like us who think David needs to step up and get better are AUTOMATICALLY called Carr-haters?

If we want Kubiak/ Jimmy Johnson and the anti-Bush people want, let's say, Pete Carroll/ Al Saunders...does that mean we're wrong in this area too? Because if we're not wrong about one thing then maybe we could be right about Bush. If THAT's the case, then how can we be told BUSH is AUTOMATICALLY wrong for us and our team?

Two things:

1. Those of us who want Bush would most likely be happy with and top flight OL, maybe Hawk, maybe Marcedes, maybe an extra #1, etc...(IMHO)

but

2. If Bush is 'OUR' selection, and by 'OUR' I mean everyone who follows the Texans, could those people enjoy watching Bush or would that same anti-Bush vile be prevalent in their posts?

No tone - No inflection - just an opinion.




from early on i noticed in this message board if you ask for more than medicre play from david carr your considered a carr hater.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 01:41 AM
Drama and Napa you guys probably get lumped into an unfair category. If you look at the more credible posters on the board you would see that they dont say Reggie is wrong for the sake of being wrong, just not the best option. If we get him hot damn we get a 40M WR/RB and I am happy to have another playmaker. We still have to go through the rest of the draft and find maybe 1 or 2 starters instead of 3-5 starters. See the thing about it is Bush could bring us 5-7 starters over the next few years. We trade pick up another first next year, a second and fourth this year. Then the Texans are likely looking at a starter from round one, two, and three this year and two starters from round one, 1 from rounds two or three next year. That equals to 6 starters rather than maybe 3. simple mathematics people that is all.

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 01:57 AM
Drama and Napa you guys probably get lumped into an unfair category. If you look at the more credible posters on the board you would see that they dont say Reggie is wrong for the sake of being wrong, just not the best option. If we get him hot damn we get a 40M WR/RB and I am happy to have another playmaker. We still have to go through the rest of the draft and find maybe 1 or 2 starters instead of 3-5 starters. See the thing about it is Bush could bring us 5-7 starters over the next few years. We trade pick up another first next year, a second and fourth this year. Then the Texans are likely looking at a starter from round one, two, and three this year and two starters from round one, 1 from rounds two or three next year. That equals to 6 starters rather than maybe 3. simple mathematics people that is all.

mathematics? give me a break man...

for all we know all those extra draft picks could turn into phillip buchanons.

you would exchange probably the most sure thing in a long time, for a bunch of risks with much less upside. and seeing how our steller gm/scouting got us to be one of the worst teams ever, you want to trust them with 6 first day picks that will decide if we stay in never ending crappyness.

no thanks, ill take a superstar playmaker and use our picks we have to do the rest of the work.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 02:17 AM
Bush is not more sure than Eli Manning. Bush is a RB/WR so he does not get the nod over a franchise QB sorry. 6 starters out weighs three at all times. Stevo until you give an intelligent reason supported by history and measurables then I cannot post to anymore of your assinine emotional post.

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 02:28 AM
Bush is not more sure than Eli Manning. Bush is a RB/WR so he does not get the nod over a franchise QB sorry. 6 starters out weighs three at all times. Stevo until you give an intelligent reason supported by history and measurables then I cannot post to anymore of your assinine emotional post.


and just an fyi, the draft promises nothing, especially after the 1st round. Its a crapshoot after that, and putting the whole future of the franchise on some mid first day picks, with a scouting department like ours, might sound good to those who have been LIVING IN A HOLE THE PAST 12 MONTHS, it doesnt sound good to anyone who can see the forest from the trees and knows there is a sure thing waiting in a mound of unknowns.

Scott D
12-12-2005, 02:29 AM
I think Bush does solve a problem of ours. A major problem actually. We have a problem of not scoring touchdowns and Reggie Bush likes to score touchdowns.

We have lost 5 or 6 games by a touchdown or less so far. One more playmaker on this team could have made this a 6-7 or a 7-6 team at least so far.


That's great. Just one little ity bity problem. Bush has to get through our offensive line first.:confused:

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 02:34 AM
That's great. Just one little ity bity problem. Bush has to get through our offensive line first.:confused:


Davis manages to do it every week...

face it, our line is much better at run blocking than at pass protection.

Scott D
12-12-2005, 02:39 AM
The point is, this is not going to solve our problem. Carr is still getting killed back there. Their offense is so one sided. Either they can't pass or they can't run. Mostly they can't pass (deep for sure) sooo therefore, they are one diminsional.

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 02:42 AM
If we get Bush, I'll support him just as I do any Texan player (well, those not named Matt Stevens!). I hope he does well in the NFL, no matter where he lands. I don't have a thing against Bush.

Unlike many of the Bush supporters, I believe that this draft will have two, maybe three tackles that will grade out as first-round material. There will be a couple more tackles in the second round. The talent diffeential between the first and second round has a drop-off. If this is truly the "year of the tackle" as last year was the "year of the running back", then we should see five tackles taken in the first round, right? If that turns out to be the case, then we're getting table scraps in the second round. If it doesn't turn out to be the case, we're pretty much accepting that we're going to try and build a guy up from a second round pick.

There are two second round tackles starting in the NFL right now, as opposed to seventeen first-round tackles (maybe eighteen). The other dozen teams or so have problems at that position and/or are grooming their future LT at the RT position. I'm not saying we can't end up with the next Matt Light or Marvel Smith (current 2nd-rounders), but it's not like we've been experiencing the greatest breakthroughs in unearthing late-round talent. We've put off drafting and developing offensive linemen for the duration of this franchise's existence - now it's time to fix it. IMO, drafting Bush and still ending up with a guy that will qualify as your franchise-grade tackle is not possible unless we end up trading back into the first round (which I don't have an issue with).

I also think the Bush hype is way overblown and you see it every few years with some player and many of them never live up to the hype. I foresee Bush becoming the next Eric Metcalf or Dave Meggett before I see him becoming the next Marshall Faulk. He's closer to their size, build, and skill set. Both of those players were Pro Bowlers and I'd be happy to have someone like that on this team.

But the offensive line really needs to be addressed first, and as I said above, getting second-round talent for your LT spot is dicey, at best. Drafting tackles beyond about position 20 is actually where the busts start happening with regularity. The only real bust I could find at the tackle spot from a higher than 20 draft spot was Mandarich. I can easily name 8-10 running backs drafted highly that busted out for various reasons.

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 02:44 AM
and just an fyi, the draft promises nothing, especially after the 1st round. Its a crapshoot after that, and putting the whole future of the franchise on some mid first day picks, with a scouting department like ours, might sound good to those who have been LIVING IN A HOLE THE PAST 12 MONTHS, it doesnt sound good to anyone who can see the forest from the trees and knows there is a sure thing waiting in a mound of unknowns.

Thank you. That is what I have been saying. That future of the franchise does not need to rest on the shoulders of some mid-round left tackle. Get a stud tackle in the first round and build from there.

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 02:46 AM
Thank you. That is what I have been saying. That future of the franchise does not need to rest on the shoulders of some mid-round left tackle. Get a stud tackle in the first round and build from there.


well what do you think of getting Bush AND that tackle?

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 02:53 AM
well what do you think of getting Bush AND that tackle?

Read my post above. If we can trade back up to the first round and get both, sign me up! I have nothing at all against Bush and if this team did not have such pressing need elsewhere, I'd probably be right there on the Bush bandwagon with you. That first quarter of today's game made me want Winston or Brickshaw even more. Carr was getting mauled before he could even complete his drop at times. It's pathetic to watch and this team will never win games with a blueprint of running for 100+ and passing for 100.

As for getting the "stud" left tackle in the second round, that is where I think people are deluding themselves a bit, in order to justify the Bush hype. Go to www.drafthistory.com and look at all the tackles that have been drafted in the second round over the past 10 years (or more). Then see how many are currently starters at left tackle. It's not many, and like I said, we might be able to buck that trend, but I don't have faith we can.

stevo3883
12-12-2005, 03:01 AM
Read my post above. If we can trade back up to the first round and get both, sign me up! I have nothing at all against Bush and if this team did not have such pressing need elsewhere, I'd probably be right there on the Bush bandwagon with you. That first quarter of today's game made me want Winston or Brickshaw even more. Carr was getting mauled before he could even complete his drop at times. It's pathetic to watch and this team will never win games with a blueprint of running for 100+ and passing for 100.

As for getting the "stud" left tackle in the second round, that is where I think people are deluding themselves a bit, in order to justify the Bush hype. Go to www.drafthistory.com and look at all the tackles that have been drafted in the second round over the past 10 years (or more). Then see how many are currently starters at left tackle. It's not many, and like I said, we might be able to buck that trend, but I don't have faith we can.


well I figure if we use our 3rd with our 2nd rounder in a trade we can move up into the 20's and pick up a guy like Scott or Winston, who both seem more versatile & can play both sides.

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 03:04 AM
well I figure if we use our 3rd with our 2nd rounder in a trade we can move up into the 20's and pick up a guy like Scott or Winston, who both seem more versatile & can play both sides.

I'm on board with that.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
12-12-2005, 08:25 AM
I am Divided on the subject. I think DD might just be the back we need and we may not need to look at Bush. I like the underdog spirit, selected 4th round in the draft so he might have a little more to prove than Reggie Bush. Although if Bush comes in and lights up the scoreboard , I will be the Fat guy with the R. Bush Jersey on.

HJam72
12-12-2005, 08:44 AM
If we get Bush, I will be an instant fan, even before he actually has his chance to prove his worth, but I'd much rather trade down and focus on the O-line. I also agree that Davis deserves loyalty and I worry about Bush being stocky enough to take the between-the-tackles punishment of the NFL. He can move. God knows he can move, but can he go straight up the gut and bust heads with NFL middle linebackers and be successfull at it, while having D-linemen fall all over him? If he can't and we pick him, what a terrible waist. Of course, he could still be a good receiver, but what a waste of a #1 overall pick. When I think NFL RB, I think 225 and 5'10". Bush is 198 and 6'0". Other than boxers, nobody takes a BEATING like an NFL runningback.

I don't think many people here are really anti-Bush people. I think they're just anti-Bush-on-the-Texans-at-#1-with-the-same-old-O-line people.

Oh, and I'm not 100% against taking Bush anymore. I'm more like 63-37 against it....and 500% fire Capers and his staff.

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 10:24 AM
I guess that is what Reggie hasn't mastered that Dominack has, the art of teleportation.

Good news!!

According to Quantum Physics, teleportation is possible and has been acomplished at the sub-atomic level in the lab. Not sure though if we can get it to work before next year though.

At least HOPE has arrived.

Go Texans - Go teleportation!! :drool:

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 10:53 AM
One other quick thought -

If PITTS can play LT, then what do we need?

If we replace WADE and that huge contract, then we can get McNeil in the 2nd round - Bush and McNeil - done.

If we replace Weigart with a mauling type guard, he can be gotten in the second round or late first - Bush and TOP Guard.

If we replace, LG (Milford, etc...), he can be gotten in the second round or late first - Bush and top LG available.


I don't know if we need Brick anymore than we need McNeil, Whitworth, etc...or anyone that can be had in the second. People say that franchise LT's are not found in the 2nd. TRUE!!


make no mistake - there is NO FRANCHISE LT in this draft. That's a major argument against drafting Brick or Winston with the top pick. Get a HOMERUN threat and get a top tackle with #33 pick in the entire draft or move up with a 2nd and the extra 3rd to 15 or so and get the guy you want if he's there. Take the homerun and the potential instead of the potential and the potential!

Texans_Chick
12-12-2005, 10:57 AM
For me, this is where I'm at:

1. I will never root for the Texans to lose. And that attitude makes me want to puke. It is quite possible we could lose all the rest of our games and not get the messiah Bush because we've been Eli'd or he gets hurt in the Rose Bowl or he stays in school or whatever. Sometimes things just end up working out the right way, but I will never ever ever root for the Texans to lose.

2. I just want the best situation. If after poking and prodding and whatever, Bush is our guy, then bring him on. If a team Hershels us the entire universe and a bag of chips for him, well then, I am OK with dealing. I want whatever is best and I am not egocentric enough to think that my non-film watching, haven't seen all the games self knows what is best. I also don't pretend that our coach/draft staff is perfect either, but nobody is. Of course, I have opinions on stuff, but with all of this I am willing to keep an open mind.

3. Whoever is on my team is who I am gonna root for. For example, I respect what Jimmy Johnson has done in his career but he is not one of my favorite people in the world. I often think he is kind of a jerk. But if he defies long odds, and becomes our coach, I'd do whatever I could to support him and the team. And try not to comment on his hair too much.


Ultimately, no matter what happens in the draft, there is always going to be someone who is sore about it, because there always is. It is just the way it is. There are gonna be good choices and bad choices, there is gonna be good luck and bad luck.

Karmically, I think we are ready for some good to show up.

Texans_Chick
12-12-2005, 10:59 AM
make no mistake - there is NO FRANCHISE LT in this draft. That's a major argument against drafting Brick or Winston with the top pick. Get a HOMERUN threat and get a top tackle with #33 pick in the entire draft or move up with a 2nd and the extra 3rd to 15 or so and get the guy you want if he's there. Take the homerun and the potential instead of the potential and the potential!


I don't know this for sure, but that is my LT fear. I don't want to take a LT high in the draft, just because we need one, if the guy really isn't the second coming of Orlando Pace/Walter Jones.

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 11:10 AM
I don't know this for sure, but that is my LT fear. I don't want to take a LT high in the draft, just because we need one, if the guy really isn't the second coming of Orlando Pace/Walter Jones.

All of my opinions written above should be taken with this in mind as well. I have sqaid in many of my posts regarding the subject, If a tackle grades out to be a franchise-grade tackle then we need to go that direction. If there's no one in the first round that meets that criteria, then by all means, draft for other need or BPA, whatever. However, franchise-grade tackle does not necessarily equate to Pace, Ogden, or Jones. Tarik Glenn, Levi Jones, Luke Petitgout, etc., are just as effective, if less heralded.

As for Pitts playing LT - I would like for him to be successful there. Pitts is one of my favorite Texans because of his attitude. However, there's not a great deal of information that the average fan can glean from his play to this point. He's had flashes of brilliance, which leads me to think he definitely deserves a shot at competing for it. But that should not preclude us from drafting for that position anyway. If Pitts does beat the rookie out (likely for his first year, anyway) then it's a bonus. Wade is the odd man out here, as he really is not a very good pass protector. So I could see Pitts or the new tackle going to RT. That would probably be Pitts.

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 11:20 AM
Wade and some of these other contracts have really put us in a bind. The Miami BBS, Oakland BBS, Miami BBS again (Greenwood), etc...were all clear that we were severly overpaying with these guys.

Problem #1 - find out whose wanted these players and fire them. :brickwall

Problem #2 - OL

Chad Clifton and their #1 for our #1? :)