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gtexan02
12-11-2005, 03:48 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.

Napa Auto Parts
12-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Hell yeah take that oh i want Bush. but hell yeah i hope DD Keeps doing this it will only make us get a better draft pick ill settle for a 3rd rounder.

stevo3883
12-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.


no one wants to replace Davis!!!

argh :brickwall

Corrosion
12-11-2005, 03:51 PM
I dont think for a moment R.Bush could replace DD ...But I do think they would compliment each other very well ....:tomato:

NoBullTexan
12-11-2005, 03:52 PM
Can't play Davis and Bush in the same backfield!:texflag:

Grid
12-11-2005, 03:53 PM
yah they just want to draft someone who can take most of his carries.. thus preserving Davis and giving him a cushy job as "that other back" that takes carries when Bush isnt throwing TDs, Catching TDs, rushing for TDs, returning kicks for TDs, kicking fieldgoals, and maintaining the field in his spare time.


I personally want the #1 pick so that we can trade down and get a buttload of picks from someone who wants Bush for a good reason.

horn_omatic
12-11-2005, 03:54 PM
reggie bush is too light to be a 25 carry between the tackles back. he only weighs 198, for the people comparing him to LT, he weighs 225.

kevinjagsfan
12-11-2005, 03:55 PM
yah they just want to draft someone who can take most of his carries.. thus preserving Davis and giving him a cushy job as "that other back" that takes carries when Bush isnt throwing TDs, Catching TDs, rushing for TDs, returning kicks for TDs, kicking fieldgoals, and maintaining the field in his spare time.


I personally want the #1 pick so that we can trade down and get a buttload of picks from someone who wants Bush for a good reason.

I agree with this. If the texans get the #1 pick, some team is going to be willing to pay a king's ransom in picks and players for it. I truly think that if this happens, the texans will be competing this time next year for a playoff spot.

Marcus
12-11-2005, 04:00 PM
I agree with this. If the texans get the #1 pick, some team is going to be willing to pay a king's ransom in picks and players for it. I truly think that if this happens, the texans will be competing this time next year for a playoff spot.

Signed,

Charley (Riverboat Gambler) Casserly

Hervoyel
12-11-2005, 04:15 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.

Wow hey, you know you're right gtexan02! That's the second really kick butt game of the season for Domanick Davis! I'm impressed!


Oh wait this is week 13 and the season consists of 16 games. Scratch that.

disaacks3
12-11-2005, 04:18 PM
Wow hey, you know you're right gtexan02! That's the second really kick butt game of the season for Domanick Davis! I'm impressed!


Oh wait this is week 13 and the season consists of 16 games. Scratch that. With the brilliant cast of characters he has around him, ONE great game is amazing.

tulexan
12-11-2005, 04:23 PM
I just had a brilliant idea. How about we keep Dominack Davis and draft Reggie Bush and have the best 1-2 running attack in the league. Everyone has been saying that we don't have an identity. Well with that tandem we would be one of the most dangerous running teams in the league and it would force safeties not to stay glued to Andre Johnson, which will allow him to get open and make David Carr's life a lot easier.

But I forgot. We only get 1 draft pick and there is no free agency so we have to draft a lineman, and we only are allowed 1 running back on the team so it is either Davis or Bush.

bigtex77
12-11-2005, 04:24 PM
As long as the Texans could work out the financial end of things, I wish we could keep DD and draft Bush. Think about it, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson in KC, Curtis Martin and Lamont Jordan (before he was traded) in NY, and Marshall Faulk and Steven Jackson in St Louis all co-existed together. Plus I would love to see DD in the backfield and Reggie in the slot on a few plays, I think that could cause some major matchup problems for the defense.

disaacks3
12-11-2005, 04:26 PM
I just had a brilliant idea. How about we keep Dominack Davis and draft Reggie Bush and have the best 1-2 running attack in the league. Everyone has been saying that we don't have an identity. Well with that tandem we would be one of the most dangerous running teams in the league and it would force safeties not to stay glued to Andre Johnson, which will allow him to get open and make David Carr's life a lot easier.

But I forgot. We only get 1 draft pick and there is no free agency so we have to draft a lineman, and we only are allowed 1 running back on the team so it is either Davis or Bush. Well, we've tried Denver's blocking scheme, why not try their RB-by-committee approach as well?

It's not like our record could be much worse.

I will say this...if we get the #1 pick and DON'T trade down, then we da** well better pick Bush!

bigtex77
12-11-2005, 04:29 PM
I can't tell you why, but I have a really strong feeling that the Texans will really regret not drafting Bush if they don't.

Fiddy
12-11-2005, 04:32 PM
Wow hey, you know you're right gtexan02! That's the second really kick butt game of the season for Domanick Davis! I'm impressed!


Oh wait this is week 13 and the season consists of 16 games. Scratch that.Exactly..


Davis did the same thing last year: He was below average most of the season and then during the last few games he had some nice games to make the Texans think the position was okay.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

tulexan
12-11-2005, 04:34 PM
Well, we've tried Denver's blocking scheme, why not try their RB-by-committee approach as well?

It's not like our record could be much worse.

I will say this...if we get the #1 pick and DON'T trade down, then we da** well better pick Bush!

All we have to do now is add their offensive coordinator.

Kubiak + Bush = New Denver Broncos

MorKnolle
12-11-2005, 04:40 PM
Can't play Davis and Bush in the same backfield!:texflag:

Conceivably they could but you don't use a #1 pick and $45 million to get a part-time RB. We have enough problems with some big contracts right now and could be in big cap problems in a couple years, and we don't need to tie up $70 million in two RB. If Gaffney leaves, which I couldn't especially blame him for doing, I wouldn't mind seeing Bush primarily at WR and then as 3rd down RB, but again you don't spend a #1 pick and $45 million to draft a WR, especially one that hasn't played WR before other than on a situational basis.

yaboycm
12-11-2005, 04:48 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.

Don't want to replace him. Bush is SO versitle. Daivs good change of pace back. Bush is just someone amazing who comes along every so often you have to take him.

DRAMA
12-11-2005, 06:05 PM
reggie bush is too light to be a 25 carry between the tackles back. he only weighs 198, for the people comparing him to LT, he weighs 225.


I know but let me guess....Brick will be able to add weight thanks to the NFL's strength program, right?

Will you guys still be hating Bush after he breaks DD's 40 into a 70 yard TD or will you still be saying how much he sucks!?

tulexan
12-11-2005, 06:21 PM
All of the Bush Sucks people will be Bush = God people next year

caf tx
12-11-2005, 06:26 PM
for trade carr and davis for offensive line; bush is the building block.

B.Diddy
12-11-2005, 06:34 PM
McNair Knows bush sells tickets if you ask any general manager would he rather win the super bowl or would he rather sell out every game and sell tons of merchandise i think the superbowl would come second to them

tulexan
12-11-2005, 06:36 PM
yeah and Bush can bring both

B.Diddy
12-11-2005, 06:40 PM
The Texans need to draft Bush first the most athletic Tight end second Third draft the nastiest defenseive players on the board with the rest of the picks and address the o-line through free agency all of this equals a serious playoff team in two seasons

HoustonFan
12-11-2005, 06:43 PM
All of the Bush Sucks people will be Bush = God people next year

Not against Bush coming here, but him coming here would be a big let down if other areas on offense are not upgraded. He's got a damn good O-line at USC. Our O-line.... well you know.

tulexan
12-11-2005, 06:44 PM
Yeah, thats why we draft him and then linemen with our next 2 picks.

B.Diddy
12-11-2005, 06:48 PM
Sure we should draft lineman but we should also take the best lineman in free agency

run-david-run
12-11-2005, 06:58 PM
We are a power running team, Bush is not a power runner, Remeber, guys we draft have to "fit the system" (DJ)

run-david-run
12-11-2005, 07:00 PM
The Texans need to draft Bush first the most athletic Tight end second Third draft the nastiest defenseive players on the board with the rest of the picks and address the o-line through free agency all of this equals a serious playoff team in two seasons
"addressing the line" with the 4th and 5th round picks is going to get you another 60 sack season.

Grid
12-11-2005, 07:01 PM
yah lets model ourselves after the Denver Broncos.. then we can be a dynasty too... oh..wait..they havent won a superbowl since Elway.


Well.. the Patriots run the same scheme and look at how many superbowls they have won! oh...no...wait... they dont need 20 superstar RBs because they have a balanced and fully functioning offense to go with a strong defense.

well.. despite all that.. im sure having a superstar RB will shoot this team straight to the playoffs.. just like it did for the Chargers with LT and Lions with Barry Sanders..... oh....wait...

well.. all logic and historical fact aside.. there isnt a team out there that wouldnt rather have Reggie Bush than alot of first day picks.. 1 real superstar can do more for a team than 4-6 good players.. just look at the old Cowboys dynasty... oh....wait...

tulexan
12-11-2005, 07:01 PM
Then we will become a thunder and lightning team

utahmark
12-11-2005, 07:01 PM
Hell yeah take that oh i want Bush. but hell yeah i hope DD Keeps doing this it will only make us get a better draft pick ill settle for a 3rd rounder.

there are a bunch of "complicated" cap penalties that basically keep us from trading a guy we just signed to a multiyear contract with a big bonus.

tulexan
12-11-2005, 07:05 PM
so we keep him and have another playmaker. problem solved

stevo3883
12-11-2005, 07:15 PM
yah lets model ourselves after the Denver Broncos.. then we can be a dynasty too... oh..wait..they havent won a superbowl since Elway.


Well.. the Patriots run the same scheme and look at how many superbowls they have won! oh...no...wait... they dont need 20 superstar RBs because they have a balanced and fully functioning offense to go with a strong defense.

well.. despite all that.. im sure having a superstar RB will shoot this team straight to the playoffs.. just like it did for the Chargers with LT and Lions with Barry Sanders..... oh....wait...

well.. all logic and historical fact aside.. there isnt a team out there that wouldnt rather have Reggie Bush than alot of first day picks.. 1 real superstar can do more for a team than 4-6 good players.. just look at the old Cowboys dynasty... oh....wait...


4-6 good players? you think we're going to get 4-6 good players if we trade down?


its still the draft, there is a much higher chance that the picks we get later will be busts compared to Bush.

Grid
12-11-2005, 07:20 PM
I doubt that 4-6 good players would actually be signed out of the draft.. the point of that though was to illustrate that when you have the opportunity to make a big profit on a pick (in this case...lots of extra picks in trade)..taking those extra picks can sometimes be a better option than getting 1 superstar.. in this case..1 POTENTIAL superstar.

houstonhurricane
12-11-2005, 07:25 PM
If Casserly is the GM, then you had better take Bush. I don't trust him making any other high-value personnel decisions. However, if we get a new GM, it may be worth looking at trading down. Regardless of the path we take, we can't afford to blow it by winning any more games!

Grid
12-11-2005, 07:37 PM
hopefully McNair's new found ability to question the hell out of Casserly's decisions will also apply to his draft picks. Maybe if Casserly has to seriously explain his draft board, we will see better picks.

Nighthawk
12-11-2005, 07:49 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.

Audition?

Grid
12-11-2005, 07:52 PM
we just signed him to a longer contract... and Davis always gives 100%. even if we did do the wrong thing and draft Bush.. Davis isnt going anywhere.

HoustonFan
12-11-2005, 07:53 PM
I'll just see all you on draft day.

mean mark8
12-11-2005, 08:01 PM
As long as the Texans could work out the financial end of things, I wish we could keep DD and draft Bush. Think about it, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson in KC, Curtis Martin and Lamont Jordan (before he was traded) in NY, and Marshall Faulk and Steven Jackson in St Louis all co-existed together. Plus I would love to see DD in the backfield and Reggie in the slot on a few plays, I think that could cause some major matchup problems for the defense.

You left off the tandem both going for a thousand this year: Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell with the Broncons.

Goon
12-11-2005, 08:51 PM
McNair Knows bush sells tickets if you ask any general manager would he rather win the super bowl or would he rather sell out every game and sell tons of merchandise i think the superbowl would come second to them

As sad as this is to hear as a fan, I believe you are 100% correct. It is a business, afterall.

Erratic Assassin
12-11-2005, 09:18 PM
The Texans need to draft Bush first the most athletic Tight end second Third draft the nastiest defenseive players on the board with the rest of the picks and address the o-line through free agency all of this equals a serious playoff team in two seasons

I'm afraid that Casserly would agree with you.

Why is the offensive line always our lowest priority? I counted 6 sacks today before I got sick of it and changed the channel. Our offensive line has been the laughingstock of the NFL for 4 years. It's like we're in denial. 3 years ago they ran an NFL draft commercial with David Carr playing without an offensive line. Everybody in the country knows what our problem is except the people closest to the problem (Casserly). It's amazing how we will find a million uses of our draft pick other than the obvious offensive linemen.

Teams do not want to part with a good offensive lineman. When are we going to figure out that there aren't any good ones in the later rounds or free agency?

zeplin
12-11-2005, 09:18 PM
McNair Knows bush sells tickets if you ask any general manager would he rather win the super bowl or would he rather sell out every game and sell tons of merchandise i think the superbowl would come second to them
You are not serious. Ask Al Davis or Jerry Jones or Mr Kraft if they would rather sell seats and Merchindise rather than win the big one.
Win the Superbowl=sold out stadium and a increase in merchandise sales

tulexan
12-11-2005, 09:26 PM
McNair Knows bush sells tickets if you ask any general manager would he rather win the super bowl or would he rather sell out every game and sell tons of merchandise i think the superbowl would come second to them

I think it depends on the owner and I think that it is unfair to categorize all owners as only concerned with making a profit. Although there are some (Boogie Benson) who would rather make a profit, others like Kraft put winning over merchandise sales and ticket sales because he is a true fan of the team.

But like I said earlier, I think that Reggie Bush could have a similar effect that Michael Vick did to the Falcons franchise and LeBron James is doing to the Cavaliers franchise. You get more national recognition, more air time, and more money. This leads to better free agents and better coaches too. Having a player like a Vick or Bush brings electricty and energy to teams.

zeplin
12-11-2005, 09:28 PM
yah lets model ourselves after the Denver Broncos.. then we can be a dynasty too... oh..wait..they havent won a superbowl since Elway.


Well.. the Patriots run the same scheme and look at how many superbowls they have won! oh...no...wait... they dont need 20 superstar RBs because they have a balanced and fully functioning offense to go with a strong defense.

well.. despite all that.. im sure having a superstar RB will shoot this team straight to the playoffs.. just like it did for the Chargers with LT and Lions with Barry Sanders..... oh....wait...

well.. all logic and historical fact aside.. there isnt a team out there that wouldnt rather have Reggie Bush than alot of first day picks.. 1 real superstar can do more for a team than 4-6 good players.. just look at the old Cowboys dynasty... oh....wait...

Can you say Herchel Walker!

MorKnolle
12-11-2005, 09:47 PM
The Texans need to draft Bush first the most athletic Tight end second Third draft the nastiest defenseive players on the board with the rest of the picks and address the o-line through free agency all of this equals a serious playoff team in two seasons

This sounds like a recipe for a couple more #1 overall picks in the upcoming years.

CajunTexan
12-11-2005, 10:07 PM
I personally want the #1 pick so that we can trade down and get a buttload of picks from someone who wants Bush for a good reason.

You know Grid...I feel you on this, but I have no faith in the current front office to be able to do anything with the picks you could get from this approach.

If Casserly stays, draft Bush. If we have a competent GM, then make the trade.

BigBull17
12-12-2005, 08:16 AM
I dont think for a moment R.Bush could replace DD ...But I do think they would compliment each other very well ....:tomato:

Thats what Im sayin. Good teams have more than 1 running option. Besides some annalyist(sp) think Bush could be the best WR in the draft as well as best RB. And if all else fails we could run triple option with DD at FB and Bush at RB...:sarcasm:

swisher
12-12-2005, 09:02 AM
Reggie Bush could have a similar effect that ..... LeBron James is doing to the Cavaliers franchise.


I like that comparison.

JDizzle
12-12-2005, 09:21 AM
i dont know why we cant have both.

bush can return punts and kickoffs and get around 10 carries.

davis can be the go between the tackles bruiser 15-20 carries a game.

I think you have it backerds. If Reggie Bush is drafted by the Texans, expect him to see the majority of carries with Davis providing the relief. Doesn't make alot of sense to spend the #1 overall pick on a Domanick Davis backup. But then again, neither does re-signing Corey Bradford and starting him over Derrick Armstrong.

Also, it would be silly to take Mathis off KR duties since he is one of the best in the NFL right now.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 09:23 AM
I like that comparison.

Basketball is a sport were a single person can make a difference. Football is not. I mean how do you even make the comparison.

Hervoyel
12-12-2005, 09:30 AM
Basketball is a sport were a single person can make a difference. Football is not. I mean how do you even make the comparison.

That's a fairly silly statement right there Coach C. One person cannot make a difference? Then how come teams say they're "one player away"? How come the Oilers draft Earl Campbell and become the "Earlers"?

One player can make a great deal of difference in Football if that player is a great player.

Coach C.
12-12-2005, 09:45 AM
Hervo you generally are one of my bright spots, but the truth is one person cannot make a difference no matter how good they are. Barry Sanders, Emmit, Gale, Walter Payton hell even Jerry Rice all needed the rest of the team to be successful. You can put a star on an NFL football field and they lose repeatedly. You put a star on a NBA team and you are likely middle of the pack. Come on man we are talking two completely different sports and philosophies. I have even seen you post that one star player cannot make a difference guess I need to start trecking through 2500+ posts to find it. Herv you have seemed really pissed lately your thing under the avatar even shows that something is going on, come on man dont let it reflect in your usual good post.

David's Busted Carr
12-12-2005, 10:23 AM
I'm glad DD is playing well too. So he'll have higher trade value to get 1 or 2 good offensive lineman to block for Reggie Bush!

DRAMA
12-12-2005, 10:32 AM
Randy Moss, Carson Palmer, Ben R, Ladanian, Peyton, Urlacher, Roy W (dallas), Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Chad Johnson, etc...

I'd take any of them and feel pretty good about one player making a difference. But I do know what you're saying. I think that if that one person was a pure leader, he'd make even more of an impact.

1 person can't do it by himself but the right 1 person can get others to perfom better.

bckey
12-12-2005, 10:36 AM
Hervo you generally are one of my bright spots, but the truth is one person cannot make a difference no matter how good they are. Barry Sanders, Emmit, Gale, Walter Payton hell even Jerry Rice all needed the rest of the team to be successful. You can put a star on an NFL football field and they lose repeatedly. You put a star on a NBA team and you are likely middle of the pack. Come on man we are talking two completely different sports and philosophies. I have even seen you post that one star player cannot make a difference guess I need to start trecking through 2500+ posts to find it. Herv you have seemed really pissed lately your thing under the avatar even shows that something is going on, come on man dont let it reflect in your usual good post.

You talk like you are the end all of football knowledge. When you reply to people you always talk as if they are one of your students and need to be set straight if they are not agreeing with you. (except when you reply to Vinny or Infantrycak) On here you're just another opinion. Get over yourself.

TexanAlmighty
12-12-2005, 10:52 AM
Bush Would Have Scored A Td On The Long Run That Dd Had. That Is The Knock I Have With Dd. He Cannot Break Away For The Long Td. Thats Where Bush Is A Gamebreaker. Bush Is A Td Manufacturer. If You Have The #1 Pick And Bush Comes Out You Do Not Pass On A Talent Like Bush. He Makes Thing Happen.

He Also Picks The Blitz Up Where Dd Struggles To Do This. So Drafting Bush Would Help To Protect The Carr As Well.

MorKnolle
12-12-2005, 11:22 AM
Bush Would Have Scored A Td On The Long Run That Dd Had. That Is The Knock I Have With Dd. He Cannot Break Away For The Long Td. Thats Where Bush Is A Gamebreaker. Bush Is A Td Manufacturer. If You Have The #1 Pick And Bush Comes Out You Do Not Pass On A Talent Like Bush. He Makes Thing Happen.

He Also Picks The Blitz Up Where Dd Struggles To Do This. So Drafting Bush Would Help To Protect The Carr As Well.

I admit Davis isn't real good at picking up blitzes but I fail to see how Bush is going to do any better whatsoever at it. Either way, do you want your "touchdown manufacturer" to sit back blocking rather than going out to catch passes for those "automatic" 80 yard touchdowns?

eriadoc
12-12-2005, 11:53 AM
Bush Would Have Scored A Td On The Long Run That Dd Had. That Is The Knock I Have With Dd. He Cannot Break Away For The Long Td. Thats Where Bush Is A Gamebreaker. Bush Is A Td Manufacturer. If You Have The #1 Pick And Bush Comes Out You Do Not Pass On A Talent Like Bush. He Makes Thing Happen.

He Also Picks The Blitz Up Where Dd Struggles To Do This. So Drafting Bush Would Help To Protect The Carr As Well.

This is where people are deluding themselves about Reggie Bush. When has Reggie Bush had to navigate traffic and break tackles in college? That work is reserved for LenDale White. People seem to overlook the fact that DD puts himself in position to break those long runs by making moves and breaking tackles. He has a low center of gravity, powerful legs, and great vision. OK, so he gets run down after 40 yards. At least he broke through traffic to get those 40 yards. Reggie Bush has not demonstrated that he can do that, and at 198 pounds, that's unlikely. If he bulks up to 215-220, then you have the issue of him playing as well at that weight. If he's a lock to play that well at that weight, why hasn't he done it? In the NFL, you don't just get open space to run through. You have to create that space and DD does that. Bush takes advantage of his speed in the college ranks. The NFL is much faster.

Blake
12-12-2005, 11:57 AM
$20 says we trade down for more picks, and select a lineman.

Bush goes to the 49ers, and the NY Jets trade up for Matt Lienart.

Texans take D'brick, or Winston.

MorKnolle
12-12-2005, 12:02 PM
$20 says we trade down for more picks, and select a lineman.

Bush goes to the 49ers, and the NY Jets trade up for Matt Lienart.

Texans take D'brick, or Winston.

I hope we do just that, hopefully we can trade down twice to pick up two extra second round picks and either two extra third rounders for this year or two extra second rounders for next year or a combination thereof. My current vote for OL is Winston, but I'll have to wait until after the combine to make my final vote on that.

TexanAlmighty
12-12-2005, 12:51 PM
I admit Davis isn't real good at picking up blitzes but I fail to see how Bush is going to do any better whatsoever at it. Either way, do you want your "touchdown manufacturer" to sit back blocking rather than going out to catch passes for those "automatic" 80 yard touchdowns?

No but he can pick up the blitz then run out to get the pass from Carr. Bush and a different scheme and a improved OL will make Carr a good NFL quarterback.

Man I just thought of this. We are the opposite end of the spectrum in regards to USC(California) vs. Texas. #1 vs #2 for the National Championship. The Texans(Texas) #1 vs. 49ers(California) #2 for 1st pick overall. :crying:

I do not want to draft OL for need when we can draft BPA.

dalemurphy
12-12-2005, 12:56 PM
Ok, so we lost. But Davis had his 2nd stellar game in a row. Ironic that the only player still trying and playing well is the one everyone wants to replace with the #1 pick in the draft.

It's the perfect scenario. DD looks very good and we continue to secure the #1 pick... It will be quite valuable to trade. I'm looking forward to stockpiling talent with the Bush/Leinart pick.

B.Diddy
12-12-2005, 01:10 PM
I still say take bush and build around him pick up two good lineman in the draft and two in free agency besides we are a good runblocking team just a terrible pass blocking team. There are probly alot of future free agent olineman who would love to block for Reggie (the human highlight film) Bush:drool: