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beerlover
12-07-2005, 12:57 PM
found this nice prediction thread on GBN & inserted my own Selections where applicable.

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Decemeber 7, 2005

2005 College Awards

Walter Camp Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Brady Quinn (QB) - Notre Dame
Vince Young (QB) – Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

Maxwell Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Vince Young (QB) - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Vince Young

Unitas Award- Best Senior Passer
Brett Basanez - Northwestern
Kellen Clemens - Oregon
Brodie Croyle - Alabama
Jay Cutler - Vanderbilt
Matt Leinart - USC
Drew Olson - UCLA
D.J. Shockley - Georgia
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Matt Leinart

Doak Walker Award – Best Runningback
Reggie Bush – USC
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
DeAngelo Williams - Memphis
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

Outland Award – Best Interior Lineman
Greg Eslinger (C) - Minnesota
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Marcus McNeill
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata

Biletnikoff Award – Best Receiver
Dwayne Jarrett - USC
Mike Hass - Oregon St
Jeff Samardzija - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jeff Samardzija
Beerlovers Selection - Mike Hass

Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Mercedes Lewis - UCLA
Vernon Davis - Maryland
Anthony Fasano - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mercedes Lewis
Beerlovers Selection - Mercedes Lewis

Rimington Trophy – Top Center
Mike Degory - Florida,
Greg Eslinger - Minnesota,
Mark Fenton - Colorado,
Nick Mangold - Ohio St
Dan Mozes - West Virginia
Marvin Phillip - California.
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Greg Eslinger
Beerlovers Selection - Greg Eslinger

Groza Award – Top Placekicker
Mason Crosby - Colorado
Jad Dean - Clemson
Alexis Serna - Oregon State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mason Crosby


Lombardi Award - Best Lineman/Linebacker
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Rodrique Wright (DT) - Texas
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - Rodrique Wright

Nagurski Award - Top Defender
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Tamba Hali (DE) - Penn State
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
DeMeco Ryans (LB) - Alabama
Jimmy Williams (CB) - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Elvis Dumervil
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata

Bednarik Award - Best Defensive Player
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
D'Qwell Jackson (LB) - Maryland
Paul Posluszny (LB) - Penn State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - A. J. Hawk

Butkus Award – Best Linebacker
A.J. Hawk - Ohio State
Paul Posluszny - Penn State
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - A.J. Hawk

Hendricks Award – Top Defensive End
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Elvis Dumervil - Louisville
Willie Evans - Mississippi State
Mathias Kiwanuka - Boston College
Ryan Neill - Rutgers
Darryl Tapp - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Darryl Tapp
Beerlovers Selection - Elvis Dumervil

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams
Beerlovers Selection - Michael Huff

Ray Guy Award – Top Punter
Danny Baugher - Arizona
Ryan Plackemeier - Wake Forest
John Torp - Colorado
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Ryan Plackemeier

November 23, 2005

2005 College All-American Team

Offense:

QB: Vince Young - Texas
RB: Reggie Bush - USC
RB: Maurice Drew - UCLA
WR: Calvin Johnson - Georgia Tech
WR: Maurice Stovall - Notre Dame
TE: Joe Klopfenstein - Colorado
OC: Nick Mangold - Ohio St.
OT: Jonathan Scott - Texas
OT: Marcus McNeill - Auburn
OG: Max Jean-Gilles - Georgia
OG: Davin Joseph - Oklahoma
P: Ryan Plackemeier - Wake Forest
PK: Mason Crosby - Colorado
ST: Skyler Green - LSU

Defense:

DE Elvis Dumervil - Louisville
DE Darryl Tapp - Virginia Tech
DT Claude Wroten - LSU
DT Rod Wright - Texas
LB Demeco Ryans - Alabama
LB A.J. Hawk - Ohio State
LB Bobby Carpenter - Ohio State
CB Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
CB Charles Gordon - Kansas
SS Michael Huff - Texas
FS LaRon Landry - LSU

Blake
12-07-2005, 01:16 PM
Nice post.

Also, im going to have to go with Marcus McNeil over Haloti.

Youngstown Colt
12-07-2005, 01:21 PM
O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Vince YoungAre you kidding me? Vince is nowhere near the passer that Matt and Brady are.

beerlover
12-07-2005, 01:29 PM
Are you kidding me? Vince is nowhere near the passer that Matt and Brady are.

what no love for Vince :homer: no QB has had the impact Vince has this past year, I'll admit that passer is misleading but thats not the only thing I consider :rolleyes:

D-ReK
12-07-2005, 02:32 PM
Too much UT bias on your part, Beerdude...Leinart and Quinn are much better passers than Young, Rod Wright's season pales in comparison to Hawk's and Dumervil's, and Huff didn't have as good of a season as Williams...

tulexan
12-07-2005, 02:43 PM
I'd take Jimmy Williams over Michael Huff any day.

rmartin65
12-07-2005, 02:46 PM
Good post, just a few things I'd change.

stevo3883
12-07-2005, 03:13 PM
Too much UT bias on your part, Beerdude...Leinart and Quinn are much better passers than Young, Rod Wright's season pales in comparison to Hawk's and Dumervil's, and Huff didn't have as good of a season as Williams...


what?!?!?

Huff has outperformed Williams in every way imagineable.

tulexan
12-07-2005, 03:32 PM
That is because they don't throw to the receiver that Jimmy Williams is covering.

MorKnolle
12-07-2005, 03:53 PM
A couple things I'd change: Best Passer award goes to Brady Quinn, best athlete at QB would go to Vince Young, maybe offensive MVP or the equivalent to Young as well. Best RB I would go with DeAngelo Williams, best overall player, best overall athlete, anything like that would be Bush, and overall offensive MVP could be Bush or Young. Heisman or overall MVP to Bush. Also, why do you have A.J. Hawk as the best defensive player but not the best lineman/linebacker? Shouldn't the best overall defensive player also be the best at his position?

Huge
12-07-2005, 04:40 PM
Walter Camp Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Brady Quinn (QB) - Notre Dame
Vince Young (QB) – Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Huge's Selection - Reggie Bush

Maxwell Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Vince Young (QB) - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Huge's Selection - Reggie Bush

O’Brien Award – Best QB
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Huge's Selection - Vince Young

Unitas Award- Best Senior QB
Brett Basanez - Northwestern
Kellen Clemens - Oregon
Brodie Croyle - Alabama
Jay Cutler - Vanderbilt
Matt Leinart - USC
Drew Olson - UCLA
D.J. Shockley - Georgia
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Huge's Selection - Matt Leinart

Doak Walker Award – Best Runningback
Reggie Bush – USC
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
DeAngelo Williams - Memphis
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Huge's Selection - DeAngelo Williams

Outland Award – Best Interior Lineman
Greg Eslinger (C) - Minnesota
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Marcus McNeill
Huge's Selection - Haloti Ngata

Biletnikoff Award – Best Receiver
Dwayne Jarrett - USC
Mike Hass - Oregon St
Jeff Samardzija - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jeff Samardzija
Huge's Selection - Jeff Samardzija

Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Mercedes Lewis - UCLA
Vernon Davis - Maryland
Anthony Fasano - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mercedes Lewis
Huge's Selection - Mercedes Lewis

Rimington Trophy – Top Center
Mike Degory - Florida,
Greg Eslinger - Minnesota,
Mark Fenton - Colorado,
Nick Mangold - Ohio St
Dan Mozes - West Virginia
Marvin Phillip - California.
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Greg Eslinger
Huge's Selection - Greg Eslinger

Groza Award – Top Placekicker
Mason Crosby - Colorado
Jad Dean - Clemson
Alexis Serna - Oregon State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mason Crosby
Huge's Selection - Mason Crosby

Lombardi Award - Best Lineman/Linebacker
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Rodrique Wright (DT) - Texas
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Huge's Selection - AJ Hawk

Nagurski Award - Top Defender
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Tamba Hali (DE) - Penn State
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
DeMeco Ryans (LB) - Alabama
Jimmy Williams (CB) - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Elvis Dumervil
Huge's Selection - AJ Hawk (stupid that he's not a nominated for this award)

Bednarik Award - Best Defensive Player
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
D'Qwell Jackson (LB) - Maryland
Paul Posluszny (LB) - Penn State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Huge's Selection - A. J. Hawk

Butkus Award – Best Linebacker
A.J. Hawk - Ohio State
Paul Posluszny - Penn State
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Huge's Selection - A.J. Hawk

Hendricks Award – Top Defensive End
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Elvis Dumervil - Louisville
Willie Evans - Mississippi State
Mathias Kiwanuka - Boston College
Ryan Neill - Rutgers
Darryl Tapp - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Darryl Tapp
Huge's Selection - Elvis Dumervil

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams
Huge's Selection - Michael Huff

Ray Guy Award – Top Punter
Danny Baugher - Arizona
Ryan Plackemeier - Wake Forest
John Torp - Colorado
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Ryan Plackemeier
Huge's Selection - John Torp

Are you kidding me? Vince is nowhere near the passer that Matt and Brady are.
Actually, the award is not for "best passer". It's for "best QB". So when you factor in this fact:

Div-1A Passer Effiency rankings:

1. Vince Young, Texas 182 285 2769 63.9 9.7 26 10 13 168.56
2. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St 133 193 1806 68.9 9.4 13 2 20 167.68
3. Brian Brohm, Louisville 207 301 2883 68.8 9.6 19 5 17 166.73
4. Drew Olson, UCLA 232 354 3055 65.5 8.6 31 3 24 165.23
5. Brady Quinn, N Dame 263 405 3633 64.9 9.0 32 7 15 162.90
6. Phil Horvath, N Illinois 168 238 1995 70.6 8.4 18 8 15 159.23
7. Troy Smith, Ohio St 130 209 1940 62.2 9.3 14 4 13 158.45
8. Matt Leinart, USC 254 391 3450 65.0 8.8 27 7 14 158.29

On top of what he was able to do on the ground, I think Vince has every bit an argument for the top QB award as Brady or Leinart.

beerlover
12-07-2005, 04:46 PM
why do you have A.J. Hawk as the best defensive player but not the best lineman/linebacker?

I personally feel that lineman both offensive & defensive don't get the respect they deserve thats why. the linebackers soak up box scores with tackles & sacks while the interior lineman grapple with two 300+ pounders. IF Haloti Ngata for example was nominated for the Bednarik Award as the nations top defensive player I would have picked him as well, without him Oregon would really suck defensively, as a matter of fact when the came and played Houston at Relient he was clearly a man amongst boys absorbing three players and controlling them. when the Ducks played USC all the damage was done around the corners the middle was completly plugged by one man simply amazing specimen, things that don't show up in stats :rolleyes:

Shouldn't the best overall defensive player also be the best at his position?

I thought I choose A.J. Hawk as the top Linebacker?

2005 College Awards

Walter Camp Award – Player of the Year
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

Maxwell Award – Player of the Year
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Beerlovers Selection - Vince Young

Unitas Award- Best Senior Passer
Beerlovers Selection - Matt Leinart

Doak Walker Award – Best Runningback
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush

Outland Award – Best Interior Lineman
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata

Biletnikoff Award – Best Receiver
Beerlovers Selection - Mike Hass

Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Beerlovers Selection - Mercedes Lewis

Rimington Trophy – Top Center
Beerlovers Selection - Greg Eslinger

Lombardi Award - Best Lineman/Linebacker
Beerlovers Selection - Rodrique Wright

Nagurski Award - Top Defender
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata

Bednarik Award - Best Defensive Player
Beerlovers Selection - A. J. Hawk

Butkus Award – Best Linebacker
Beerlovers Selection - A.J. Hawk

Hendricks Award – Top Defensive End
Beerlovers Selection - Elvis Dumervil

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Beerlovers Selection - Michael Huff

beerlover
12-07-2005, 05:58 PM
I'm not sure where all this Jimmy Williams hype comes from :confused: yes I've seen him play and he is a great prospect but I don't see him playing CB in the NFL he reminds me more of a FS or even a SS, I think he is around 220 lbs and 6'2" and is not great in man to man coverage plus VA TECH fell just a little short this season didnt they.......meanwhile Huff played a major role in the Texas secondary and remain undefeated in the National Championship game and that has to count for a little more. Huff is also a Safety type of DB with good size 6'0 205 he has better speed and seems better school'ed reading pass coverage and could play corner in the NFL too. Also he has improved the most this season and should be seriously considered in the same vein as the best db's in College. OK I'm a :homer: too!

real
12-07-2005, 06:30 PM
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org

stats say young tops all

MorKnolle
12-07-2005, 10:26 PM
1. Vince Young, Texas 182 285 2769 63.9 9.7 26 10 13 168.56
2. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St 133 193 1806 68.9 9.4 13 2 20 167.68
3. Brian Brohm, Louisville 207 301 2883 68.8 9.6 19 5 17 166.73
4. Drew Olson, UCLA 232 354 3055 65.5 8.6 31 3 24 165.23
5. Brady Quinn, N Dame 263 405 3633 64.9 9.0 32 7 15 162.90
6. Phil Horvath, N Illinois 168 238 1995 70.6 8.4 18 8 15 159.23
7. Troy Smith, Ohio St 130 209 1940 62.2 9.3 14 4 13 158.45
8. Matt Leinart, USC 254 391 3450 65.0 8.8 27 7 14 158.29


I have no idea how the QB rating is computed in college but it doesn't make sense at all. For instance, Young has 63.9% completions, 2769 yards, 9.7 ypa, 26 TDs to 10 INTs (2.6 TDs/INT), while Brohm has 68.8% completions, 2883 yards, 9.6 ypa, and 19 TDs to 5 INTs (3.8 TDs/INT). Brohm has a much higher completion percentage, about the same yards per attempt, and much better TD-INT ratio, yet has a lower rating. According to a calculator I found on the internet, their NFL QB ratings would come out to:

Vince Young. Texas.......... 182/285-63.9%-2769-9.7-26/10- 111.6 - 5th
Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St 133/193-68.9%-1806-9.4-13/2- 116.6 - 2nd
Brian Brohm, Louisville....... 207/301-68.8%-2883-9.6-19/5- 113.4 - 3rd
Drew Olson, UCLA............ 232/354-65.5%-3055-8.6-31/3- 118.3 - 1st
Brady Quinn, N Dame.........263/405-64.9%-3633-9.0-32/7- 112.7 - 4th
Phil Horvath, N Illinois........168/238-70.6%-1995-8.4-18/8- 107.0 - 7th
Troy Smith, Ohio St...........130/209-62.2%-1940-9.3-14/4- 106.9 - 8th
Matt Leinart, USC.............254/391-65.0%-3450-8.8-27/7- 108.5 - 6th

Just thought I'd figure those out because I've wondered all year how the college rating is computed when it seems that better stats (in Brohm's or Olson's cases vs. Young) while having a lower rating, so these are what there stats would yield in an NFL rating.

beerlover
12-07-2005, 10:29 PM
Louisville's Dumervil wins Nagurski award

December 5, 2005
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Louisville senior defensive end Elvis Dumervil won the Bronko Nagurski Trophy on Monday night as the best defensive player in college football.

Dumervil, the Division I-A leader with 20 sacks and 10 forced fumbles, edged Virginia Tech cornerback Jimmy Williams, Alabama linebacker DeMeco Ryans, Oregon tackle Haloti Ngata and Penn State end Tamba Hali in voting for the award.

The 13-year-old award is presented by the Football Writers Association of America and the Charlotte Touchdown Club. It's named for the former Minnesota All-American, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The 6-foot, 256-pound Dumervil helped the Cardinals (9-2) earn a spot in the Gator Bowl against Virginia Tech.

win some lose some :brickwall

I really like Dumervil, he has valuted his way into the 1st rd of the 06 draft, as I've made comparables to Dwight Freeney in the past its not a shock, however Oregon owes in large part its success to Haloti Ngata. It would be the upsets of upsets if he were to win any national awards of recognition because nose tackles in a 3-4 don't have those kinda stats (20 sacks are you kidding me).

Seriously I've followed the draft for over 30 years, but only in the last two because of my love for the Texans have I researched and got this in depth (some may call it another name) but in 04 my gut feeling said the Texans would in fact draft Vince Wolfork with the 10th overall pick (I was wrong and happy to be so) but mark my words Ngata is the finest NT I have ever seen in College football. will he crack the top 10? will Dumervil?

awtysst
12-07-2005, 10:53 PM
I will join you. Some of my votes are write in since i do not agree with the nominees.

2005 College Awards

Walter Camp Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Brady Quinn (QB) - Notre Dame
Vince Young (QB) – Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush
AWTYSST Selection: Reggie Bush

Maxwell Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Vince Young (QB) - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush
AWTYSST Selection - Reggie Bush

O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Vince Young
AWTYSST Selection -DREW OLSON

Unitas Award- Best Senior Passer
Brett Basanez - Northwestern
Kellen Clemens - Oregon
Brodie Croyle - Alabama
Jay Cutler - Vanderbilt
Matt Leinart - USC
Drew Olson - UCLA
D.J. Shockley - Georgia
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Matt Leinart
AWTYSST Selection -DREW OLSON

Doak Walker Award – Best Runningback
Reggie Bush – USC
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
DeAngelo Williams - Memphis
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush
Beerlovers Selection - Reggie Bush
AWTYSST Selection -Reggie Bush

Outland Award – Best Interior Lineman
Greg Eslinger (C) - Minnesota
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Marcus McNeill
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata
AWTYSST Selection -Max Jean Gilles

Biletnikoff Award – Best Receiver
Dwayne Jarrett - USC
Mike Hass - Oregon St
Jeff Samardzija - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jeff Samardzija
Beerlovers Selection - Mike Hass
AWTYSST Selection: Jeff Samardzija

Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Mercedes Lewis - UCLA
Vernon Davis - Maryland
Anthony Fasano - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mercedes Lewis
Beerlovers Selection - Mercedes Lewis
AWTYSST Selection: Mercedes Lewis

Rimington Trophy – Top Center
Mike Degory - Florida,
Greg Eslinger - Minnesota,
Mark Fenton - Colorado,
Nick Mangold - Ohio St
Dan Mozes - West Virginia
Marvin Phillip - California.
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Greg Eslinger
Beerlovers Selection - Greg Eslinger

Groza Award – Top Placekicker
Mason Crosby - Colorado
Jad Dean - Clemson
Alexis Serna - Oregon State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mason Crosby


Lombardi Award - Best Lineman/Linebacker
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Rodrique Wright (DT) - Texas
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - Rodrique Wright
AWTYSST Selection- AJ HAWK

Nagurski Award - Top Defender
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Tamba Hali (DE) - Penn State
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
DeMeco Ryans (LB) - Alabama
Jimmy Williams (CB) - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Elvis Dumervil
Beerlovers Selection - Haloti Ngata
AWTYSST selection: Mathias Kiwanuka

Bednarik Award - Best Defensive Player
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
D'Qwell Jackson (LB) - Maryland
Paul Posluszny (LB) - Penn State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - A. J. Hawk
AWTYSST Selection- AJ HAWK

Butkus Award – Best Linebacker
A.J. Hawk - Ohio State
Paul Posluszny - Penn State
DeMeco Ryans - Alabama
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk
Beerlovers Selection - A.J. Hawk
AWTYSST Selection- AJ HAWK

Hendricks Award – Top Defensive End
Tamba Hali - Penn State
Elvis Dumervil - Louisville
Willie Evans - Mississippi State
Mathias Kiwanuka - Boston College
Ryan Neill - Rutgers
Darryl Tapp - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Darryl Tapp
Beerlovers Selection - Elvis Dumervil
AWTYSST Selection: Mathias Kiwanuka

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams
Beerlovers Selection - Michael Huff
AWTYSST selection: Michael Huff

beerlover
12-07-2005, 11:02 PM
I will join you. Some of my votes are write in since i do not agree with the nominees.

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams
Beerlovers Selection - Michael Huff
AWTYSST selection: Michael Huff

at least we can agree on Huff :thumbup

WildBlackBear32
12-07-2005, 11:42 PM
2005 College Awards

Walter Camp Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Brady Quinn (QB) - Notre Dame
Vince Young (QB) – Texas

WBB's Pick - Reggie Bush.

Explanation: Carried USC in many games when the terribly overrated Matt Leinart couldnt get anything done.


Maxwell Award – Player of the Year
Reggie Bush (RB) – USC
Matt Leinart (QB) – USC
Vince Young (QB) - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush

WBB's pick: Reggie Bush

Explanation: See above.

O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart

WBB's pick: Brady Quinn

Explanation: Even in losses and bad games, Quinn performed very well. 851 yards and a 6-2 TD-INT ratio in ND's two losses.

Unitas Award- Best Senior Passer
Brett Basanez - Northwestern
Kellen Clemens - Oregon
Brodie Croyle - Alabama
Jay Cutler - Vanderbilt
Matt Leinart - USC
Drew Olson - UCLA
D.J. Shockley - Georgia
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart

WBB's pick - Drew Olsen

Explanation: No real reason other than I think Leinart is a piece of garbage.

Doak Walker Award – Best Runningback
Reggie Bush – USC
Jerome Harrison - Washington State
DeAngelo Williams - Memphis
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Reggie Bush


WBB's pick: Reggie Bush

Explanation: See other Reggie Bush explanations...

Outland Award – Best Interior Lineman
Greg Eslinger (C) - Minnesota
Marcus McNeill (OT) - Auburn
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Marcus McNeill


WBB's pick: Max-Jean Gilles

Explanation: An absolute monster at Guard for the Dogs.

Biletnikoff Award – Best Receiver
Dwayne Jarrett - USC
Mike Hass - Oregon St
Jeff Samardzija - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jeff Samardzija

WBB's pick: Jeff Samardzija

Explanation: Lead the Nation in TDs. Fourth in yards. Shark/Stovall proved to be the best tandem in the nation.


Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Mercedes Lewis - UCLA
Vernon Davis - Maryland
Anthony Fasano - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mercedes Lewis

WBB's pick: Vernon Davis

Explanation: Led the ACC in recieving. An absolute monster of a reciever. Caught anything thrown to him. Other nominees had problems, Lewis with drops and Fasano with fumbles.

Rimington Trophy – Top Center
Mike Degory - Florida,
Greg Eslinger - Minnesota,
Mark Fenton - Colorado,
Nick Mangold - Ohio St
Dan Mozes - West Virginia
Marvin Phillip - California.
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Greg Eslinger


WBB's pick:Greg Eslinger.

Explanation: Was tempted to go with Mangold, but Eslinger wins based on reputation. Can't say I watch Centers play too carefully.

Groza Award – Top Placekicker
Mason Crosby - Colorado
Jad Dean - Clemson
Alexis Serna - Oregon State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mason Crosby

WBB's pick: Some Gramatica. I know there's one still playing somewhere.

Explanation: Everyone loves a Gramatica!

Lombardi Award - Best Lineman/Linebacker
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Rodrique Wright (DT) - Texas
A.J. Hawk (LB) - Ohio State
Frank Coyle’s Selection - A.J. Hawk

WBB's pick: Elvis Dumervil

Explanation: Amazing sack numbers.

Nagurski Award - Top Defender
Elvis Dumervil (DE) - Louisville
Tamba Hali (DE) - Penn State
Haloti Ngata (DT) - Oregon
DeMeco Ryans (LB) - Alabama
Jimmy Williams (CB) - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Elvis Dumervil

WBB's Pick: Elvis Dumervil

Explanation: See above.


Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams

WBB's Pick: Darnell Bing

Explanation: An absolute playmaker at safety.

beerlover
12-07-2005, 11:59 PM
2005 College Awards

Mackey Award – Best Tight End
Mercedes Lewis - UCLA
Vernon Davis - Maryland
Anthony Fasano - Notre Dame
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Mercedes Lewis

WBB's pick: Vernon Davis

Explanation: Led the ACC in recieving. An absolute monster of a reciever. Caught anything thrown to him. Other nominees had problems, Lewis with drops and Fasano with fumbles.

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I like your pick here I was going to go with Vern but instead went with the numbers, very un-beerlover. I also feel he would be a better fit with the Texans as he is a more capable blocker & Carr knows we need that :goodnight

Huge
12-08-2005, 08:58 AM
I have no idea how the QB rating is computed in college but it doesn't make sense at all. For instance, Young has 63.9% completions, 2769 yards, 9.7 ypa, 26 TDs to 10 INTs (2.6 TDs/INT), while Brohm has 68.8% completions, 2883 yards, 9.6 ypa, and 19 TDs to 5 INTs (3.8 TDs/INT). Brohm has a much higher completion percentage, about the same yards per attempt, and much better TD-INT ratio, yet has a lower rating. According to a calculator I found on the internet, their NFL QB ratings would come out to:

Vince Young. Texas.......... 182/285-63.9%-2769-9.7-26/10- 111.6 - 5th
Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St 133/193-68.9%-1806-9.4-13/2- 116.6 - 2nd
Brian Brohm, Louisville....... 207/301-68.8%-2883-9.6-19/5- 113.4 - 3rd
Drew Olson, UCLA............ 232/354-65.5%-3055-8.6-31/3- 118.3 - 1st
Brady Quinn, N Dame.........263/405-64.9%-3633-9.0-32/7- 112.7 - 4th
Phil Horvath, N Illinois........168/238-70.6%-1995-8.4-18/8- 107.0 - 7th
Troy Smith, Ohio St...........130/209-62.2%-1940-9.3-14/4- 106.9 - 8th
Matt Leinart, USC.............254/391-65.0%-3450-8.8-27/7- 108.5 - 6th

Just thought I'd figure those out because I've wondered all year how the college rating is computed when it seems that better stats (in Brohm's or Olson's cases vs. Young) while having a lower rating, so these are what there stats would yield in an NFL rating.
NCAA ratings are geared more towards avg per attempt and TDs per attempt while the NFL QB ratings are geared more towards completion percentage (this should explain how Elvis Grbac has a higher career QB rating than Johnny Unitas).

If you look at Young and Brohm's stats, there should be one that really stands out (as well as Young and Lienart's)...

Young - 285 attempts - 26 TDs
Brohm - 301 attempts - 19 TDs
Lienart - 391 attempts - 27 TDs

If you averaged those QBs out with equal number of pass attempts, who would you say was more efficient with their passes?

Personally, I like the NCAA's better. The NFL tops out at 158.3. How is that possible? You can only have so good of a game by the NFL rating system?

But I'm not saying Vince is the best passer in college. Just that his passing stats (combined with his rushing stats) give him an argument for "Best QB".

MorKnolle
12-08-2005, 09:16 AM
I still prefer one that more heavily counts completion percentage and TD/INT ratio. To me the TDs per attempt is a little more indicative of the average field position of their team and yards per attempt is as indicative of the quality receivers they have as opposed to just his skills, although completion percentage somewhat is too. I think completion percentage gives a better indication of their ability to throw the ball accurately and TD/INT shows how well they take care of the ball and finish off drives. That's my opinion anyways. I'm also not sure why the NFL has a maximum rating in there, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, although no one ever comes close to it over the course of a season, for that matter I've never heard of a QB having two games in the same season with a "perfect" 158.3 rating.

Huge
12-08-2005, 09:39 AM
Completion percentage should never be used to judge a QB's accuracy. At least not from a scout's perspective when judging NFL talent.

Phil Horvath (QB, N. Illinois) led the country in completin percentage at 70.6%. Does that make him the most accurate QB in the country? I wouldn't think so.

MorKnolle
12-08-2005, 10:09 AM
Completion percentage should never be used to judge a QB's accuracy. At least not from a scout's perspective when judging NFL talent.

Phil Horvath (QB, N. Illinois) led the country in completin percentage at 70.6%. Does that make him the most accurate QB in the country? I wouldn't think so.

No that alone, but it is still a good indicator of their passing abilities. Sure their style of offense and quality of WRs will impact it, as well as their offensive line being able to keep pressure off of them. But still, completion % is definitely a key indicator of throwing accuracy and, in my opinion, should be counted more heavily than yards per attempt for a QB's rating.

Huge
12-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Fair enough. We differ on opinions of what should determine a QB's accuracy.

That point aside, Young still has comparable numbers to the other top QBs in the country (not to mention his rushing stats) that puts him amongst the "Best QBs" in the nation.

MorKnolle
12-08-2005, 03:32 PM
No doubt he is one of the best QBs in the country and their numbers are all comparable, but to me it seemed like Young's were a little worse than a few of the others and I had been trying to figure out how he had a higher rating, then I found the NFL QB rating calculator and thought I'd share that info.

Huge
12-08-2005, 04:16 PM
Yeah, I think something in the middle would be a good measure. Something like Troy Aikman's idea (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7610861).

Fiddy
12-08-2005, 06:15 PM
Davey O'Brien Quaterback Award Winner: Vince Young, UT
Jim Thorpe Defensive Back Award Winner: Michael Huff, UT
Best Offensive Lineman: Greg Eslinger, Minnestoa
Lou Groza Award, Best Kicker Award: Alexis Serna, Oregon State
Ray Guy Award, Best Punter: Ryan Plackemeier, Wake Forest

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/awards

beerlover
12-09-2005, 11:54 AM
Davey O'Brien Quaterback Award Winner: Vince Young, UT
Jim Thorpe Defensive Back Award Winner: Michael Huff, UT
Best Offensive Lineman: Greg Eslinger, Minnestoa
Lou Groza Award, Best Kicker Award: Alexis Serna, Oregon State
Ray Guy Award, Best Punter: Ryan Plackemeier, Wake Forest

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/awards

so Vince Young

O’Brien Award – Best Passer
Matt Leinart – USC
Brady Quinn - Notre Dame
Vince Young - Texas
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Matt Leinart
Beerlovers Selection - Vince Young

doesn't have a chance does he :heh:

or that Michael Huff isn't in the same league :whistle:

Jim Thorpe Award – Top Defensive Back
Michael Huff - Texas
Tye Hill - Clemson
Jimmy Williams - Virginia Tech
Frank Coyle’s Selection - Jimmy Williams
Beerlovers Selection - Michael Huff

who is this Frank Coyle anyways :bomb:

WildBlackBear32
12-09-2005, 11:57 AM
who is this Frank Coyle anyways :bomb:


Obviously not Brodie's dad. If he was and he didn't pick Brodie for the Unitas, Brodie would be pisssssssed.

Blake
12-09-2005, 11:58 AM
Nice call on the O'Brien award Beerlover. Kudos.