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rockabilly
12-06-2005, 12:22 AM
One thing im scared of by waiting to fire Dom Capers is that we may not get the replacement we need.

Why?

Because about 5 other NFL teams will also be looking for coach replacements. Who says that the top possible head coach available will automatically come here with jobs like the Packers, Lions, Raiders, and Ravens can be available.

Am I overly worrying or is this reality? I dont want to end up with another bum coach and more unsatisfying seasons....and depression.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2005, 12:34 AM
One thing im scared of by waiting to fire Dom Capers is that we may not get the replacement we need.

Why?

Because about 5 other NFL teams will also be looking for coach replacements. Who says that the top possible head coach available will automatically come here with jobs like the Packers, Lions, Raiders, and Ravens can be available.

Am I overly worrying or is this reality? I dont want to end up with another bum coach and more unsatisfying seasons....and depression.

The best thing we have going for us is no state income tax and the fact that the coach doesn't have to live in Green Bay, Detroit, Oakland or Baltimore. Detroit would have to can Millen to get a great coach because Millen is a joke and if I were any good, I wouldn't want to work for him. Oakland has old weird Al, and I wouldn't want to work for him either.

We have a personable non-buttinsky owner and great facilities, but we are a baby franchise. It will have to take a wheelbarrow of money and a coach with a nose for a challenge.

This season wasn't all about our "bum coach." As the saying goes, mistakes were made, but it wasn't all coaching. A coach can go from one job as a bum and go to the next job and be a Superbowl coach. It just isn't easy to coach a team without tradition and history--and a lot of coaches won't be up for that challenge and risk to their legacy and/or rep. That being said, I hope we get someone that is optimistic, a proven winner, and someone that can attract free agents to Houston.

tulexan
12-06-2005, 12:40 AM
I'm sure there is already a short list ready for when the clock on the Niners game goes to double zero.

ATX_Texan
12-06-2005, 08:56 AM
Picking a coach is just a big crap shoot, kind of like drafting players. Who could have known that Bill Cowher would turn out to be the coach of the Steelers for all these years? There are been plenty of examples of guys coming out of no where to do a great job, and plenty of can't miss coaching prospects that could not get it done.

My concern is that it usually works best when the GM and the coach are on board with the vision of what kind of team they are trying to build. They should agree on the type of offense and defense to be run. I just don't see that with Casserly. To me, the pairing of Dom's desire to play grind it out offense and win with defense never seemed like a good match with Palmer's wide open offense. The Steelers are successful because they build around the lines and make running backs and line backers a draft priority. It seemed to me that Casserly's picks on the offense did not fit with Caper's vision of the team. If we are stuck with Casserly, I hope he will do a better job of finding his kind of coach.

Malloy
12-06-2005, 08:58 AM
A positive aspect of coming to Houston as a new coach is that it's a challenge. Add to that Mcnair's w00pin' big sack of money if he _really_ wants the coach.

Coach C.
12-06-2005, 10:34 AM
I would assume that most coaches that will be hot commodities will be in the playoffs, so every other team would have to wait awhile also.

El Tejano
12-06-2005, 03:40 PM
I think Mcnair has learned that through the hiring of the coordinators of this team. I just hope he doesn't settle also for some guy like Mariucci.

barzilla
12-06-2005, 04:23 PM
Last time he looked for a guy with head coaching experience and DC also had expansion experience. I don't think that will be necessary this time. I think the field is pretty wide open. Coaches usually don't get fired from good situations, so every opening has its problems. It comes down to recruiting, money, and a natural fit with who is here.

Goldeagle
12-06-2005, 07:43 PM
I dont think there is anything to worry about.

keyfro
12-06-2005, 07:51 PM
i wouldn't worry too much because look at the list of canidates that have emerged...a lot of them will want to come to houston because like it or not the majority of the nfl personel believe david carr to the real deal at QB...he might not be a hall of fame QB but he is a starter in this league...now that might change eventually but from what people think if he was with the chicago bears or the baltimore ravens those teams apparently would be highly winning teams...the other thing we have that not a lot of teams have going for them is a new facility and a owner that does not mettle in the coaching affairs...so don't worry...we'll get the offensive minded guy to get this line and QB back on track

HoustonFan
12-07-2005, 12:04 AM
I'm scared of repeating this nightmare of a season again. I really hope this is the first and last time we have a season like this.

outofhnd
12-07-2005, 12:43 AM
Im scared of getting Mike Martz...

Just what we need the wrecking ball of the rams coming to houston to coach..

His philosophy of throwing 50 times a game will do wonders for our non existant offensive line..

I like Pendry and wish we would have fired Palmer Sooner we look less retarded on offense and things seem to be clicking to a degree...

I wouldnt mind a mariucci because we have a QB that can throw very good on the run and recievers who can get open...We just need a TE besides the mythical Joppru who lives on IR..

I think Coleman is the brunt of our secondary problems more so than Buchanon. I think He is a poor tackler and the combo of brown and earl really did a number on the running game. I think P Buch Was expecting Safety help that never came and was on an island and look for a major improvement next year...

My favorite Idea is to convert our D to a 4-3.. I really would like a Coordinator who has been successful over a period of time.. but wouldnt mind a coach that brings a defense that is aggressive.

my top 5 coach replacements

1. Joe Johnson - Eagles
2. Gary Kubiak - Broncos
3. Gunther Cunningham - Chiefs
4. Steve Mariucci
5. Jerry Gray - Buffalo or Monte Kiffin - TB

Honorable mention Joe Pendry.. He has put a better gameplan on the field for the offense.. and I love a coordinator calling plays from the sidelines.. it helps communication wise.

tulexan
12-07-2005, 01:25 AM
Honestly, I think that Kubiak would be the best fit. I don't care if he doesn't interview well. He is running one of the best offenses in the league year in and year out and has experience with a quarterback who David Carr resembles. This team doesn't need a coach who is good with the media, they need a guy who is going to win games and put up points.

outofhnd
12-07-2005, 01:32 AM
OK but what do you fear most as far as coaching moves go?

tulexan
12-07-2005, 01:38 AM
Mike Martz.

I think he is really overrated. He always seems to be the center of conflict too. Kyle Turley threatened to kill him, Kurt Warner claims that he was let go because he was too religious, I don't think we need that kind of conflict coming to the team after the season we are having. Plus if we drafted Reggie Bush he probably wouldn't even use him that much like he did to Marshall Faulk or any RB starting in '03. I think he was a product of Dick Vermeil's success.

ubecool454
12-07-2005, 01:47 AM
You Mean Jim Johnson Don't You?

ubecool454
12-07-2005, 01:48 AM
Jerek You Mean Jim Johnson Dc From Philly Don't You?

Bobo
12-07-2005, 11:43 AM
One thing im scared of by waiting to fire Dom Capers is that we may not get the replacement we need.

Why?

Because about 5 other NFL teams will also be looking for coach replacements. Who says that the top possible head coach available will automatically come here with jobs like the Packers, Lions, Raiders, and Ravens can be available.

Am I overly worrying or is this reality? I dont want to end up with another bum coach and more unsatisfying seasons....and depression.

A.) Capers is not a "bum" coach. This year was abysmal, but his previous years were strong. B.) By waiting, you can see what else is available. There's always a chance that Fisher might be fired, and if that is the case the Texans might want him. Also, if you want a guy like Wade Phillips, you'd have to wait until the season is over or else you could be hit with tampering.

Bobo
12-07-2005, 12:04 PM
I don't know why some of you guys are so hard on Martz. Granted, some of his playcalling can be a little ridiculous at times, but let's look at a couple things:

1. He was the OC of a team that has scored the most points in a season.

2. He was an OC and a HC on a team that went to back-to-back Super Bowls.

3. Faulk suffered the "John Madden Curse", and was never the same after that.

4. I believe he had back-to-back MVPs, someone correct me if I'm wrong. (Warner & Faulk).

5. Warner really jacked up his thumb, and could never throw the ball the way he used to, but was able to substitute another QB who really blew up.

The Rams were a Super Bowl contender until Vermeil left and Martz took over. Then they slipped very quickly into mediocrity. He may be a good OC, but I question his ability to be an effective HC. After all, the Rams don't want him back under any conditions. Wonder why>

WiiBrawler
12-07-2005, 11:20 PM
One thing im scared of by waiting to fire Dom Capers is that we may not get the replacement we need.

Why?

Because about 5 other NFL teams will also be looking for coach replacements. Who says that the top possible head coach available will automatically come here with jobs like the Packers, Lions, Raiders, and Ravens can be available.

Am I overly worrying or is this reality? I dont want to end up with another bum coach and more unsatisfying seasons....and depression.

Dont Worry, the Packers arent firing Mike Sherman, its too early, they were hampered my injuiries, The Lions will get someone, Probably not Kubiak, Norv Turner is in limbo for his lack of defense, Billick wont get fired, its only one bad season.

So who does that leave us with, asumming Both Leinart and Bush, He probably wont go back, The Texans could try to sign him, Jimmie Johnson would be a pleseant surprise, But realisticly, The He wont come,

Here are the list of Coaches we shoud take a look at

Steve Marriuci
Gary Kubiak(Maybe he will make David The next Randall Cunningham, Maybe)
Monte Kiffin
Jim Johnson(Eagles DC)
Pete Carroll:rolleyes:
Jimmie Johnson(For GM and Head Coach:drool: :yahoo: )

Bobo
12-08-2005, 01:12 AM
Dont Worry, the Packers arent firing Mike Sherman, its too early, they were hampered my injuiries, The Lions will get someone, Probably not Kubiak, Norv Turner is in limbo for his lack of defense, Billick wont get fired, its only one bad season.

So who does that leave us with, asumming Both Leinart and Bush, He probably wont go back, The Texans could try to sign him, Jimmie Johnson would be a pleseant surprise, But realisticly, The He wont come,

Here are the list of Coaches we shoud take a look at

Steve Marriuci
Gary Kubiak(Maybe he will make David The next Randall Cunningham, Maybe)
Monte Kiffin
Jim Johnson(Eagles DC)
Pete Carroll:rolleyes:
Jimmie Johnson(For GM and Head Coach:drool: :yahoo: )

Steve Marriuci may be headed to GB -- thank goodness because he only succeeds if he has great players. He'd simply continue the losing in Houston. Kubiak has been turned down on three different occasions for HC jobs -- probably a reason for that. Jim Johnson is being exposed this year. Pete Carroll has failed on two separate occasions in the NFL because he isn't a discipilinarian and likes to buddy up with the players. Jimmie Johnson would be a disaster as he proved in Miami. Also, bringing in a Dallas guy to Houston is blasphemy.

MorKnolle
12-08-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't know why some of you guys are so hard on Martz. Granted, some of his playcalling can be a little ridiculous at times, but let's look at a couple things:

1. He was the OC of a team that has scored the most points in a season.

2. He was an OC and a HC on a team that went to back-to-back Super Bowls.

3. Faulk suffered the "John Madden Curse", and was never the same after that.

4. I believe he had back-to-back MVPs, someone correct me if I'm wrong. (Warner & Faulk).

5. Warner really jacked up his thumb, and could never throw the ball the way he used to, but was able to substitute another QB who really blew up.

The Rams had one year in between their Super Bowls, the year the Ravens beat the Giants in one of the more boring Super Bowls in recent memory.

I wouldn't mind Jimmie Johnson as a GM, but I don't think Casserly will be canned yet. I also wouldn't mind Martz as OC, but I don't really like either of them as HC. Carroll hasn't had much success in the NFL and would likely want a big portion of GM duties so he has more control over picking his players like he can do in college with recruiting, and I'm not sure he'd come here without Casserly being fired, and I'm not sure I want him as coach either. Kubiak seems like he could do alright and set up a good offense and help Carr develop, plus our team is constructed relatively similarly to the Broncos already so he won't have to adjust his scheme too much and our players wouldn't have as big of an adjustment. I also wouldn't mind Kiffin (isn't it Marty not Monte?) or Johnson the Eagles DC as they have produced some nice defenses and always bring a lot of pressure, but I don't know if our defense has enough speed and talent for them to come here, plus we're currently built for a 3-4 and have some players locked down with huge contracts that would generally be the first to go with a change to their type of system. Billick could be out of Balitmore, as he has had a couple bad years in between good ones and their offense is still horrible and getting progressively worse when he's supposed to be an offensive coach. I'm not saying I really want him here, but their HC job could be open too.

cuppacoffee
12-09-2005, 01:13 AM
I think Mcnair has learned that through the hiring of the coordinators of this team. I just hope he doesn't settle also for some guy like Mariucci.

In one of the chronicles articles earlier this week there was mention that McNair went the "cheap" route in hiring our assistant coaches.
Anyone here know what was being referred to? Were there other ( more successful ?) coaches who wanted to come here but who priced themselves out of the job?
The longer this drags out the more convinced I am that Capers will be staying and the search will be for assistants.

Then again McNair may clean house. Who knows? :confused:

HJam72
12-09-2005, 05:45 AM
I just can't believe that McNair still wants to keep Capers around. I mean I believe it, but that's just crazy. This team is 1-11 for crying out loud. Go find a high school coach and give him a shot. Geez.

OzzO
12-09-2005, 09:24 AM
High school coach? Let's not go off the deep end, now.

For his first venture into his new business, he knows what he has in Capers - and good or bad, is "comfortable" with that. I feel he hears the fans and sees the result of choices made on the field and in the stands and understands that he may be forced to make a change from what he is familiar with (in 4 short seasons) to get fans excited once more and get the income flowing again.

It may be he just wants to make sure the right decision is made as this is a pretty big point in the team's toddler years that will note what direction we're going in the future. It has to be the right decision so he's not in a similar situation 4 years from now.

Just to be the person behind the scenes, hear the fans are enjoying themselves and the team, the team is harmonious, coaches are well recieved, and that it's a good overall experience for the city of Houston and Texan fans across the state... states... world maybe? I think that's what he's looking for.

profan
12-09-2005, 10:29 AM
Im scared of getting Mike Martz...


Honorable mention Joe Pendry.. He has put a better gameplan on the field for the offense.. and I love a coordinator calling plays from the sidelines.. it helps communication wise.

If Pendry becomes our next head coach i will put all of my psl's for sale and never attend another game. Pendry is a major player in this years record. Ever since he became our oline coach is has sucked more and more.

eriadoc
12-09-2005, 11:01 AM
This is totally my perception and may not be based in reality at all, but my issue with Martz is a perceived lack of adaptability. I think he's a great offensive mind, no doubt. But Martz was able to use Faulk in all sorts of ways and Faulk was the biggest threat on the field, even with Bruce and Holt. With Faulk's decline, they took Steven Jackson and for whatever reason, they have not used him as most people think he should be used. I'm not sure if Martz was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole or if he just doesn't know what he has in Jackson, but that guy is the prototypical running back that most teams would love to have. And the times that Martz (now Vitt) has leaned on Jackson, it's opened up the offense all around. The Rams have a very good passing attack, no matter what. That passing attack is even better on days where they go heavy on Jackson early and stick with him late.

eriadoc
12-09-2005, 11:06 AM
Steve Marriuci may be headed to GB -- thank goodness because he only succeeds if he has great players. He'd simply continue the losing in Houston. Kubiak has been turned down on three different occasions for HC jobs -- probably a reason for that. Jim Johnson is being exposed this year. Pete Carroll has failed on two separate occasions in the NFL because he isn't a discipilinarian and likes to buddy up with the players. Jimmie Johnson would be a disaster as he proved in Miami. Also, bringing in a Dallas guy to Houston is blasphemy.

Really? I heard he passed on at least one of those jobs and maybe two. He was passed over for the Houston job, since the consensus was that Capers was a better caretaker for an expansion team. So it was nothing against Kubiak, in that case. McNair/Casserly just liked Capers.

EDIT - OK, I couldn't find anything concrete, but I did find a Saints rumor blog from Jan. 2000 speculating on who would take over as Saints coach. There is a snippet on Kubiak, as well as Capers and Pendry. Also Casserly is mentioned for the GM spot.

"Gary Kubiak's name has come up as a potential head coaching candidate for just about every job opening in the NFL and NCAA for the past two seasons. Kubiak, currently the Denver Broncos offensive coordinator, has already told Patriots that he has no interest in their coaching vacancy and has a history of turning down teams' job offers.

Just last year Kubiak turned down the University of Colorado coaching position and was less than receptive to inquiries from the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens. At one time it was also rumored that Jerry Jones had interest in Kubiak prior to naming Chan Gailey as his head coach prior to the 1998 season. Kubiak has stated before that he feels like he still has a lot to learn about being a head coach and hasn't felt ready for that responsibility yet. "
http://www.angelfire.com/la/saintsnotes/NotebookArchive1500.html

I also found an article from the Denver Business Journal reporting that Kubiak turned down the Colorado Univ.'s head coaching position in '99.

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/1999/01/18/daily1.html

DRAMA
12-09-2005, 11:13 AM
Steve Marriuci may be headed to GB -- thank goodness because he only succeeds if he has great players. He'd simply continue the losing in Houston. Kubiak has been turned down on three different occasions for HC jobs -- probably a reason for that. Jim Johnson is being exposed this year. Pete Carroll has failed on two separate occasions in the NFL because he isn't a discipilinarian and likes to buddy up with the players. Jimmie Johnson would be a disaster as he proved in Miami. Also, bringing in a Dallas guy to Houston is blasphemy.


WOW! I'm starting to wonder if Jesus could coach this team? Maybe he would be 'exposed' as too merciful to the players?

Jimmy J, Carroll, Kubiak would all work fine down here compared to what we've seen.

Runner
12-09-2005, 11:25 AM
As much as he is still an improvement over what we were seeing in Palmer, I have to agree: I think Pendry has been way too conservative with players that are at their best when we are aggressive (was he the one that started Victor Riley those first five weeks??). Carr in my opinion is more of a down-field passer: the big-arm, not really accurate QB who is going to come up with a lot of big plays with a few INTs to boot. Andre's speed, jumping ability, and strength are not overly as useful when he is running short curl routes. Neutering Carr with all of these five-yard out routes has killed his game. Though it can also be argued that we throw them out of necessity after we put up all those sacks to open the year.

I think last year we were running Palmer's offense and this year we started with Palmer running a Capers/Pendry offense that was forced on him.

Yes, it was Pendry who picked Riley to start at tackle and brought him right back to start at guard when injuries occured. He has proven he assigns playing time based on something other than who the best player available is.

Your other comments about Carr and Dre is one of the main reasons last year's offense was better than at any point this year. When it is said that "the offense is improving" that really means from the start of this year -it is worse than last year IMHO.

Double Barrel
12-09-2005, 01:35 PM
In one of the chronicles articles earlier this week there was mention that McNair went the "cheap" route in hiring our assistant coaches.
Anyone here know what was being referred to? Were there other ( more successful ?) coaches who wanted to come here but who priced themselves out of the job?
The longer this drags out the more convinced I am that Capers will be staying and the search will be for assistants.

Then again McNair may clean house. Who knows? :confused:

It was a Richard Justice column (on Monday, IIRC). He said McNair did not want to pay "top dollar" for assistance coaches. It didn't elaborate beyond that, as the main focus of the article was about keeping Casserly. (Justice went on to say that the GM only gets the players that the coaches want yada yada yada.)

I think one of the considerations that coaches took into account with the Texans was that they were being hired a full season and a half before our inaugural year. So they had one full NFL season with nothing to do but evaluate players. I'm only speculating here, but I'd venture that some coaches did not find it a very attractive situation at the time.