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houstonhurricane
12-05-2005, 09:25 PM
we keep Fangio on staff after he has lost the support of his own players? I understand that the entire coaching staff will be replaced at the end of the season, but it doesn't seem smart to fire one coordinator after two bad weeks and keep another who has had twelve bad ones...

thegr8fan
12-05-2005, 09:32 PM
Palmer has Head Coaching experience. Fangio doesn't. Anyone but me think that Capers was eliminating his competition early in the season so he had some job security for the year at least?

Kaiser Toro
12-05-2005, 09:33 PM
we keep Fangio on staff after he has lost the support of his own players? I understand that the entire coaching staff will be replaced at the end of the season, but it doesn't seem smart to fire one coordinator after two bad weeks and keep another who has had twelve bad ones...

My opinion is that Palmer was the only coach on staff that could replace Capers. He was the easy scape goat in the front office/coach, McNair, football philosophy traingle. I do not buy the talk that he was responsible for opening the roof aganist the Steelers nor dinging posters reputation points under the handle Nightmare on Fannin Street. :rolleyes:

Texans_Chick
12-05-2005, 09:50 PM
IIRC, the official gossip is that Capers wanted to can Palmer at the end of last year but dint. And then after the offense looked so ghastly in the preseason and first two games, he finally pulled the trigger.

Palmer was hard to get rid of because he is a likeable personable guy.

Fangio got more leeway, IMO, because to some extent, our defense in our first three seasons helped give us more wins than we prolly should have had given our talent/depth.

Personally, early in the season I thought that the defense looked so horrible because they were on the field ALL the time. That it doesn't matter what D you have if every offensive possession is 3 and out.

But over the course of the season, it became evident that the Pbuc experiment was non-good and that we were too inexperienced on D. By the time it was clear that the bad D was the biggest difference between this year and previous years, firing Fangio became kind of pointless because the season was already crap. And to be fair, we have had a ton of injuries on defense--it is hard to keep it together when most of your secondary is comprised of last week's practice squad, rookies, and ST guys.

I actually was encouraged by our run defense this last game. It didn't look like the stick of soft butter defense. And we had some sacks. Just not on the last play. :(

Anyhow, I don't think it was some conspiracy to keep heir apparents away. I never thought the Capers/Palmer marriage was a good thing. And IIRC, someone tried to hire away Pendry during the off-season and we said no interview. I think Pendry as OC was something that they had been thinking about for a while and was just waiting for Palmer to tie his own rope some more.

Or maybe not.

houstonhurricane
12-05-2005, 10:00 PM
Chick,

I tend to agree with you. At this stage, it is almost pointless to fire any coach on staff. I was really frustrated when they fired Palmer so early on as I thought it was way too premature. And looking back on the decision, I really can't say that Pendry has been an upgrade at all.

While Fangio has suffered through some injuries, I think that the talent we had on that side of the ball at the start of the season was simply bad and our stale stubborness to run a 3-4 when we don't have the players to do so makes me want to auction off my PSL (unfortunately we know the limited revenue that would bring in) :cool:

MorKnolle
12-05-2005, 10:59 PM
I think it was more of Casserly wanted Capers to can Palmer last year but Capers didn't want to and after the horrendous performance the first two games and with the bye week there they took the opportunity to can him. I'm not sure why Fangio is still around though, although dumping multiple coaches during the year would create more chaos but Fangio should have been canned at the end of last year or at the same time as Palmer.

Texans_Chick
12-05-2005, 11:10 PM
I think philosophically, McNair admires teams like the Steelers, who have not panicked when times have been bad or done particularly goofy stuff.

But Capers does not equal Chuck Noll, and even Chuck Noll in his prime mighta have had problems starting up this team from scratch.

I am guessing that McNair as an owner is going to be reluctant to capitulate to the flavor of the week thinking, but even if he thought that the Texans were victims of bad luck and bad scheduling or whatever, you have to do what you have to do sometimes, or risk nobody buying seats in the 600s section. He knows you can't fire the team, you gotta fire the coach. But he will never like doing it and won't do it capriciously.

Kaiser Toro
12-05-2005, 11:15 PM
I think philosophically, McNair admires teams like the Steelers, who have not panicked when times have been bad or done particularly goofy stuff.

But Capers does not equal Chuck Noll, and even Chuck Noll in his prime mighta have had problems starting up this team from scratch.

I am guessing that McNair as an owner is going to be reluctant to capitulate to the flavor of the week thinking, but even if he thought that the Texans were victims of bad luck and bad scheduling or whatever, you have to do what you have to do sometimes, or risk nobody buying seats in the 600s section. He knows you can't fire the team, you gotta fire the coach. But he will never like doing it and won't do it capriciously.

There has got to be a back story to the avatar.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2005, 12:04 AM
There has got to be a back story to the avatar.

Not much of one.

I despise Bud Adams.

This year's Texans-Titans tailgate deserved a specially decorated brownie for the occasion. And Tx-David took a pic of it. And I figured I should make it into an avatar for this week in prep for the game.

I actually own blue jeans that say on the front, "Bud Adams can kiss my" with arrows going to the back, where it says "grits" on the bottom. (I dint want to get booted from games or be delinquent to children for it to say what I really thought).

Never really understood Houstonians that stayed faithful to the Titanhicks, as I have to say that our old team leaving town hurt me worse than any breakup with a boyfriend I ever had. To take the analogy even further and more repulsively, it was like having your loved one say, "Hey, I still wanna have sex with you for about a year, but I am also having sex with this toothless hillbilly down the street and will marry her next year." Ayyyyyyyyy!

Only cure for that kind of horrific heartbreak is to get a new better husband. Through sickness and health.:texflag:

Doing art with frosting ain't easy, but I was surprised with myself at how chillingly lifelike the frosting Bud was. I messed up by not putting a 70's scarf around where is neck should be on a normal human but I think I got the hair just right.

True story. Once I was in an office building walking across a skyway, and I see this guy really far away with a terrible outfit. Powder blue sport coat with a red scarf tied around his neck. And I think to myself, "Good Lord, that is the worst outfit I've ever seen, it's like what Bud Adams would wear." And of course, as he got closer, I saw it was Bud Adams.