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Daonly
12-02-2005, 09:06 PM
First off I live in Los Angeles; Originally from Baytown. I been to several USC Games. Reggie Bush is a football player first and foremost, I don't care if Reggie Bush was a kicker. You draft this guy cause he's one HELL of a football player! We have D. Davis, SO FREAKIN WHAT!!! He's not big enough, he can't carry the ball 20-30 times a game So what! What are the chances of a team to have the #1 overall pick in a draft and a player that comes around just say every 5-10 years? what are those chances?You take that player over needs anyday and don't look back. Reggie Bush is Versatile! He can line up as a wide out 10 plays a game, Kick returns along side Mathis, think about that, what team would kick to Mathis and Reggie Bush?? Texans would have the best field position in the league! The Texans would always have fresh legs in the backfield that always be a threat to go all the way! He could save D. Davis 3-4 years on his career cause he don't have to carry the load by himself. Gaffeny is a UFA, Bradford is a UFA. We don't have a passing T. E. how many playmakers in the top 10 of this coming Draft? Name me one Wide Receiver worth taking Top 10? Now tell me how deep are the OT's in this year Draft? how many can you name? How Many OG's in this year's draft? The OL are so deep in this draft it's ridiculous! Draft Bush he'll sell tickets, Merchandise, Commercials, More TV Coverage.Freeagents like Offensive Lineman would want to play here to block for a tandem like Reggie Bush and D. Davis, that will open up the passing game. Go out and sign Randle EL. It may be 10 years before we have the #1 pick in the draft again; and how many changes it will be to draft the Next Barry Sanders?? Coaches will drool to coach the tadem, Andre Johnson would love not to have all the attention on him.Reggie Bush is a must have on this team. I'll rather for him to turn out to be a bust on this team and not to have hdrafted him ;and he becomes the next superstar like Barry Sanders; then the only thing we Fans could say is "We could of had him" Like we say about Jordan, but we drafted Hakeem.Another thing; last year all the mocks had us taking Cedric Benson from Texas; and everyone was so excited about that, Damn near every mock draft had us taking Cedric Benson!!! Why oh Why do we take him if we didn't need a RB??? Reggie Bush is 5X's the player Cedric Benson is!! I swear on my Grandma's grave if Reggie Bush plays on the Horns we would'nt even be having this conversation. Reggie Bush will be the Texans pick by 50 miles!

TexanFanInDenver
12-02-2005, 09:18 PM
That is a great post, but people don't understand the depth at OL this year. They don't know what free agency can do either. But no matter what, we are going to get a great player one way or the other.

tulexan
12-02-2005, 11:12 PM
I think that if Reggie Bush went to Texas, we wouldn't be having this argument.

gg no re
12-02-2005, 11:31 PM
1) Bush is a Brian Westbrook/DeShaun Foster, not Barry Sanders.

2) The Patriots could win with Antowain Smith. You don't need a stud RB, you just need one that can do the job.

3) Two kick return specialists on the field = 1 less good blocker = lack of good returns

4) Ticket sales do not produce winning seasons. Irrevalent to the argument.

5) Free agents go for money, period.

6) Cedric Benson can take hits, and can carry the load. Reggie Bush is unproven in taking hits and carrying the load.

7) In the last few years, the only stud RBs to be drafted from the Pac-10 and become prominent players were Corey Dillon and Steven Jackson. They are power runners. Maybe you can count DeShaun Foster, but he's not exactly super impact aside from that Super Bowl year. Reggie Bush is not a Pac-10 power runner, so he is destined to not succeed.

8) USE THE ENTER KEY.

tulexan
12-02-2005, 11:50 PM
You can't really base someone's future on what others have done. If so, LaDanian Tomlinson should be a terrible running back because how many great backs have come from TCU? The Pac-10 has had several great running backs. I know you are saying recently, but how can you ignore Marcus Allen and OJ Simpson? But I guess because Reggie Bush chose to go to USC rather than any other school in the nation, he must be terrible.

While Cedric Benson can carry the load, he also has a lot of miles on him. That is what made Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown so much more attractive.

I don't think that having both Jerome Mathis and Reggie Bush would hurt us on kick returns. Both are so fast that they initially blow by those first blockers anyways.

Napa Auto Parts
12-03-2005, 12:00 AM
6) Cedric Benson can take hits, and can carry the load. Reggie Bush is unproven in taking hits and carrying the load.



I hate Proving people Wrong Cedric Benson may be in college! but not in the NFL its sad when thomas jones and Adrian Peterson Produce more than Benson. and when he does get on the field he gets injured i rather have Bush on crutches than Benson like all the major scouts say Bush is the real deal they go as far as saying he is the Best coming out of college in a long time.:texflag:

gg no re
12-03-2005, 12:10 AM
Scouts say that about everyone all the time. Hello, Mr. Leaf.

True, I admit that I probably whiffed on my Benson remark, but regardless, I'd rather have him over Bush for the fact that he _can_ play physical.

What do we know about Bush? He plays with great players, and he dances.

What do we not know about Bush? How does he perform when he's not with great players and when Lendale White can't do his dirty work for him?

If you want a stud RB so badly, draft DeAngelo Williams or Lendale White. Save money, save draft picks, get better value.

HJam72
12-03-2005, 12:29 AM
Why can't we just have the first 10 picks in the draft? :texflag: We've earned it. :brickwall

cadahnic
12-03-2005, 07:26 AM
Bush is a really good player, is he that much better than any other prototype RB in the draft not likely. I am not a guy that thinks we need a RB, if we lose Gaffney and Armstrong then Bush becomes a better option, due to the fact that he can be trained to play WR. I hope we get extra picks, even a next year first rounder. Quit the madness people Reggie Bush is not the best player to come out in 10 years.

Kaiser Toro
12-03-2005, 07:55 AM
Bush will be a top pick, but a lot of these threads have started due to our poor record, which could get better, and his 500 yard performance against Fresno, which has lost its luster after two bad losses.

I doubt he will be the top pick on his on-field skills alone. He will have to be the total package such as character and mareketability to make up for the few knocks in his game - size, strength and endurance.

Corrosion
12-03-2005, 11:28 AM
; then the only thing we Fans could say is "We could of had him" Like we say about Jordan, but we drafted Hakeem.


Actually the Rockets coulda had both Akeem and Jordan .... but they took Rodney McRay. (Spelling?)


But I for one agree , Bush is that special player that comes along once in 10 years or so , you HAVE to take him or get some MIND BLOWING trade in return .

MorKnolle
12-03-2005, 11:41 AM
Actually the Rockets coulda had both Akeem and Jordan .... but they took Rodney McRay. (Spelling?)



BTW Olajuwon was drafted #1 in the 1984 draft and Michael Jordan was drafted #3 that same year. How could the Rockets have picked both unless they traded back up to get Jordan?

tulexan
12-03-2005, 11:59 AM
I actually remember reading that there was an offer on the table to get the third pick as well, but they decided against it.

ThaShark316
12-03-2005, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=corrosion]Actually the Rockets coulda had both Akeem and Jordan .... but they took Rodney McRay. (Spelling?)

[QUOTE]

BTW Olajuwon was drafted #1 in the 1984 draft and Michael Jordan was drafted #3 that same year. How could the Rockets have picked both unless they traded back up to get Jordan?


Actually...Portland wanted to trade the Rockets the #2 pick...if we had given them Sampson...maybe thats a myth, but that's the story I always hear when it comes to the Rockets and possibly having Hakeem and Jordan (and even Clyde, too) on the same team.

Peldon
12-03-2005, 01:18 PM
8- unsure what that means, haven't talked to you to know.

A block of text that long can be hard on the eyes.

MorKnolle
12-03-2005, 03:52 PM
If for some reason we draft Bush I would put him at punt return, that isn't really Mathis' strength. Punt returns you need to be quick to avoid all the rushers that are converging on you, whereas on kick returns your blockers create a lane for you to run through so straight-line speed is all you really need, but punt returns you are hung out to dry more and need to create on your own, and Mathis isn't as good at Bush or even Buchanon at that.

DRAMA
12-03-2005, 06:58 PM
Let's see, I'm Bob McNair an I draft...hmmm


Reggie Bush, who may become one the most exciting players in the NFL....
Draft LT's and RT's throughtout the rds 2 & 3
Pick up Linemen in Free Agency or trade a back for one
Get people back in the stands


or I...


...draft someone else and watch us cheer for Mathis to catch balls as a WR.


Think about how excited people are JUST to watch Mathis returns kick and we pass on Bush when we can replace linemen through FA and the Draft?

Makes no sense to me but we all have our own ideas where we want this team to go. I have NO PROBLEM with getting Brick or trading down, but for me, I'd rather watch Bush play.

dtran04
12-03-2005, 07:08 PM
I still think that we'll win some more games before the year is over and will be picking around the 3-5 pick range. By then, Bush is gone.

Heywood
12-03-2005, 07:09 PM
6) Cedric Benson can take hits, and can carry the load. Reggie Bush is unproven in taking hits and carrying the load.
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benson is already out for the season with an injury, after only 30 or so carries.

really, you folks should buy a vowel.

Huge
12-03-2005, 09:03 PM
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I've never heard of the guy. Sounds like he'd make a good subject for a topic on this board.

uhcougar08
12-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Bush will be a top pick, but a lot of these threads have started due to our poor record, which could get better, and his 500 yard performance against Fresno, which has lost its luster after two bad losses.

I doubt he will be the top pick on his on-field skills alone. He will have to be the total package such as character and mareketability to make up for the few knocks in his game - size, strength and endurance.

He is due to graduate after 3 years in school, he is a track guy, and he carries no problems or baggage with him, and i like this one: he is really well spoken which means the guy is very educated.

El Tejano
12-04-2005, 12:38 AM
We shouldn't consider endurance as part of why we shouldn't draft this guy. We have a nice stable of running backs to make up for that endurance. This kid is special and the only way I see we don't draft this kid is if Vince Young steps in the draft.

Texan in Japan
12-04-2005, 04:08 AM
[QUOTE=corrosion]Actually the Rockets coulda had both Akeem and Jordan .... but they took Rodney McRay. (Spelling?)


Sampson and McCray were #1 and #3 in 1983 Draft; we could have gotten Drexler.

In 1984, we took Hakeem #1 and Chi took Jordan #3; I never heard about the proposed trade of Sampson to Chi.

Scooter
12-04-2005, 07:08 AM
Who (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=14557)is (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15202)this (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15218)Reggie (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15208)Bush (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15136)you (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15203)speak (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=14948)of? (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=15182)

I've never heard of the guy. Sounds like he'd make a good subject for a topic on this board.

smooth

Daonly
12-04-2005, 09:38 AM
Reggie Bush is on Lock for #1 Period end of story, I feel though as if San Diego had the first round pick, they'll draft him and keep him. why not? The draft is set up to draft the (best) Player avalible; but with that being said.No matter what team on top, they'll consider real hard not to draft the best prospect out of the draft since Michael Vick and L.T. . Or Trade him for The Momma, Kids, Wife and Home! I mean other than Lienhart, Who's the clear cut favor to go #2 I mean as far as a PLaymaker; you really cant think of no one on Bush's level other than Vince Young and will he come out and would you move back just enough to get him? Best Senario Texans get the #1 pick, #2 Team is New Orleans or someone Despertly needs a QB, Titans. They'll give you a couple of draft picks to swap picks with you so they can Take Lienhart and Bush drops one spot and the Texans Grab him; I'll only do that if it was in writing.

MorKnolle
12-04-2005, 10:06 AM
If someone that wants Leinart is at #2 they won't trade us anything because they know we aren't going to take Leinart at #1 and then they can snatch him at #2. What would be best (if we end up with the #1) is if #3 and #4 also want Leinart so they will all be making us trade offers so they can move ahead of the #2 team and take him, although they may prefer a different QB in the draft.


He will have to be the total package such as character and mareketability to make up for the few knocks in his game - size, strength and endurance.


I don't question Bush's endurance at all, his strength and size maybe, but not his endurance.

Daonly
12-04-2005, 10:10 AM
I don't know why everyone thinks Benson is capable of big breakaways.... he's a grinder, not a dancer.

I wouldn't mind if the Texans picked up Cedric.... the workload is distributed between two backs, everyone is more fresh, everyone can produce more than if they were the single workhorse back.

If Cedric can be decent at pass catching, and can pick up blocks, I say go for it.


gg no re, you said it not me. That's what I been saying in my first post. but it's different now when it comes to Bush? look i know you want OL help, but don't make reasons why this guy is not good, like Pac-10 Defences suck or he can't take a pounding or this and that when he been proving everybody and scouts wrong since Highschool just say I think we need OL help more so than Bush period point blank.

Kaiser Toro
12-04-2005, 10:10 AM
Reggie Bush is on Lock for #1 Period end of story, I feel though as if San Diego had the first round pick, they'll draft him and keep him. why not? The draft is set up to draft the (best) Player avalible; but with that being said.No matter what team on top, they'll consider real hard not to draft the best prospect out of the draft since Michael Vick and L.T. . Or Trade him for The Momma, Kids, Wife and Home! I mean other than Lienhart, Who's the clear cut favor to go #2 I mean as far as a PLaymaker; you really cant think of no one on Bush's level other than Vince Young and will he come out and would you move back just enough to get him? Best Senario Texans get the #1 pick, #2 Team is New Orleans or someone Despertly needs a QB, Titans. They'll give you a couple of draft picks to swap picks with you so they can Take Lienhart and Bush drops one spot and the Texans Grab him; I'll only do that if it was in writing.

For every war room that has a philosophy of best available player, there is one that is based on need. Our needs outweigh a best available player in my opinion.

MorKnolle
12-04-2005, 10:16 AM
In the NFL you can not continually draft on best player available. You have to mainly draft on needs to fill out a complete team, otherwise the skill positions are always going to be the "best player available" and look at Detroit to see how continually filling those has worked.

tulexan
12-04-2005, 10:26 AM
In the NFL you can not continually draft on best player available. You have to mainly draft on needs to fill out a complete team, otherwise the skill positions are always going to be the "best player available" and look at Detroit to see how continually filling those has worked.


Well with Detroit it could also be argued that Mike Williams wasn't even the best player available. They have their own logic to drafting. It's called "player you don't need"

MorKnolle
12-04-2005, 10:33 AM
Well with Detroit it could also be argued that Mike Williams wasn't even the best player available. They have their own logic to drafting. It's called "player you don't need"

Exactly, but we can't keep stockpiling RBs either just because one is the best player available. Like I have said, if Gaffney leaves I could see us drafting Bush mainly as a WR and using him some as a RB too, but if Gaffney stays I don't think we can tie up more money at the RB position because drafting Bush at #1-2 in the draft is going to likely require a $30-40 million contract and Davis just signed a $20+ million extension, not to mention RB is not at all our greatest need.

Daonly
12-04-2005, 10:46 AM
1) Bush is a Brian Westbrook/DeShaun Foster, not Barry Sanders.

2) The Patriots could win with Antowain Smith. You don't need a stud RB, you just need one that can do the job.

3) Two kick return specialists on the field = 1 less good blocker = lack of good returns

4) Ticket sales do not produce winning seasons. Irrevalent to the argument.

5) Free agents go for money, period.

6) Cedric Benson can take hits, and can carry the load. Reggie Bush is unproven in taking hits and carrying the load.

7) In the last few years, the only stud RBs to be drafted from the Pac-10 and become prominent players were Corey Dillon and Steven Jackson. They are power runners. Maybe you can count DeShaun Foster, but he's not exactly super impact aside from that Super Bowl year. Reggie Bush is not a Pac-10 power runner, so he is destined to not succeed.

8) USE THE ENTER KEY.



Now coming from the biggest Critic of Reggie Bush

Topic- Domanick Davis Slot Reciver
I don't think it will work well, until DD shows he can burn it deep.

Brian Westbrook makes it work because he's pretty fast and can catch some mid-range to deep passes, and make some tricky receptions.

DD.... so far we've only seen him take screens, dumps, and swings. We don't know how dangerous he is if we let him run the outs, flys, and slants that Westbrook is used in, and if he cannot do that.... then LBs will just play a flat zone to nullify the threat of DD as a slot receiver.

It would make for an interesting preseason experiment though.

Topic- Cedric Benson
UT always runs the football..... take your guess of run, draw, or bootleg anytime the offense gets in formation. :)

Anyhow, if Benson does drop to 13 to us, I wouldn't mind the Texans drafting him. Then we could put Jammal Lord at QB and run a triple option offense.

Joking aside, it'd be nice if we had Benson. In a run-reliant offense, having 2 starter-quality backs is better than 1 when the game comes down to grinding out yards on the ground.

Topic- Franchise Players
Michael Vick.

If the team does not win, I can at least generate some revenue and sell off a cruddy team to some fool for more money. Yup.

Topic-Edge's Agent Interested in the Texans
Don't worry.... I would agree that Edge would be a nice addition.... won't create a backfield as awesome as Davis-Foster/Jackson-Faulk, but still awesome nonetheless.

Topic- What about Possible Running Backs?
Competition fuels the drive to improve. Ever thought about that?

Topic J.J. Arrinton
Why dont we let the RBs we have play and develop. The are all young and still learing and getting better. I dont like the idea of us drafting another RB.
Then here comes you...
What else will we do with our picks? Draft 7 extra kickers?

I agree that letting our current backs develop is a good idea, but it never hurts to have extra depth at the position. After all, we'll never know if Hollings can stay healthy or Wells can advance past being a 3 ypc back.

Topic- J.J. Arrington
Mirror images aren't all that bad.... take a look at Pittsburgh for example. They use two powerbacks, and still had a dominating run game.

If JJ can do everything DD can do, it means that when he comes into the game, defense can't cheat and change attack plans..... they'll have to deal with JJ like DD, except JJ is more fresh..... and that a refreshed DD will come back in later....

Besides, by not using powerbacks, we can use a lot more multiple receiver sets than double TE sets and really stretch the field without having to go to "obvious" formations.

Don't look at it as being unable to go from a jab to an uppercut. Look at it as a relentless fury of jabs.

[however, I wouldn't mind having a powerback..... it would be nice to watch a Texan run over people! :)]

Now everything's different with Reggie Bush? He's better than all the backs you mention, Benson, Arrington, etc.. Hypocrites I tell ya...

C Madd
12-04-2005, 10:46 AM
Bush will be a top pick, but a lot of these threads have started due to our poor record, which could get better, and his 500 yard performance against Fresno, which has lost its luster after two bad losses.

I doubt he will be the top pick on his on-field skills alone. He will have to be the total package such as character and mareketability to make up for the few knocks in his game - size, strength and endurance.

What about 200 yards rushing in a little over 1 quarter against the 11th ranked team in the nation?

gg no re
12-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Now everything's different with Reggie Bush? He's better than all the backs you mention, Benson, Arrington, etc.. Hypocrites I tell ya...First off....

You would have a good career in muckraking and mud-smearing.

Second off...

All politicians like to twist the truth.

Yes, I readily admit that last year, I supported drafting Benson with the 1st Round pick, drafting Arrington with a 2nd or 3rd rounder, and picking up Edge.

However, it did not mean I fervently advocated drafting them in the way that I fervently campaign against drafting Bush.

I believe I have also thrown out my support on Mike Williams, Troy Williamson, Derrick Johnson, Jammal Brown, and Alex Barron on these boards, and none received any fervant campaigning from my postings [as far as I know].

I didn't even raise a peep against Travis Johnson, because although we passed DJ, he was a need.

However, you should also note that my views were generated at a time when we all thought the Texans oline was.... going to be good over time, and that we were at a point in our franchise history in which we could assume we could draft for want.

(and as we all know, assuming makes an....)

Bottom line: I like your political aspirations.

What about 200 yards rushing in a little over 1 quarter against the 11th ranked team in the nation?UCLA is also one of the worst defenses in Division 1A.

cuppacoffee
12-04-2005, 12:15 PM
I think that if Reggie Bush went to Texas, we wouldn't be having this argument.

My thought exactly! :)

C Madd
12-04-2005, 07:09 PM
UCLA is also one of the worst defenses in Division 1A.

Bush can do no right with you :) .
160 and 3 TDS against #8 Notre Dame?

tulexan
12-04-2005, 07:41 PM
Bush can do no right with you :) .
160 and 3 TDS against #8 Notre Dame?


Don't forget that the grass at Notre Dame was almost ankle high too.