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uhcougar08
12-02-2005, 07:40 AM
He said he was very comfortable with this line we have now, and he has time to throw the ball now. He also said he liked the guys we have at right and left tackle. After the first half against the Rams, I think it should show some of whats to come in the last five games if this O-Line works.:texflag:

infantrycak
12-02-2005, 07:56 AM
Hopefully the offense and team do start to pull things together and end the season strong. IMO momentum at the end of the season is important--negative case in point, Cleveland last year. In the end though, unless Carr racks up 300 yds in each of the last 5 games with 15 TD's and no INT's, we would largely have the same discussion here because none of the teams are good so those games will not count.

Texans Horror
12-02-2005, 07:57 AM
Sounds good, but I'm waiting for the results from Baltimore before I concede that the O-line has improved. I suspect that unfortunately, Carr is going to be running a lot or doing the one/two-step-and-pass thing again.

texan279
12-02-2005, 08:11 AM
The only thing that worries me about this is if the O line sustains the improvement through the rest of the season and we skip on drafting offensive linemen in the top rounds and then the O line regressing next season. Also, St. Louis has one of the worst overall defenses in the NFL, so they could have made the O line look better than they actually are. I guess we will find out over the next couple of weeks.

Runner
12-02-2005, 08:35 AM
What do you expect him to say in public? This line sucks? This is grain of salt time. Look at all of the offensive statistics - not just sacks allowed - and see how this line stacks up to last years'. We're better than we were at the beginning of this year, and that is faint praise indeed.

uhcougar08
12-02-2005, 08:43 AM
What do you expect him to say in public? This line sucks? This is grain of salt time. Look at all of the offensive statistics - not just sacks allowed - and see how this line stacks up to last years'. We're better than we were at the beginning of this year, and that is faint praise indeed.

Heres one, how bout watching the games? You can see the line is better now than at the begining of the season. Im starting to think that yall are so negative on here, you go blind when anything begins to show some sign of improvement. David even said half the sacks and the bad decisions were half his fault because of him being a little shellshocked at the begining of the season.:texflag:

Runner
12-02-2005, 08:48 AM
Heres one, how bout watching the games? You can see the line is better now than at the begining of the season. Im starting to think that yall are so negative on here, you go blind when anything begins to show some sign of improvement. David even said half the sacks and the bad decisions were half his fault because of him being a little shellshocked at the begining of the season.:texflag:

Here's one, how about reading the posts? In this line I said we were better than at the start of the year:

We're better than we were at the beginning of this year, and that is faint praise indeed.

The point is we were so bad at the start of the year that being better than that does not mean we are all that good.

We had a better line if you look at running and passing - the whole package - last year.

Marcus
12-02-2005, 08:51 AM
This whole "offensive line has improved" BS drives me freakin nuts!

As far as Carr saying that he is now "comfortable" with the OL, and that he "likes" who is playing LT and RT "right now" . . . well, what in hell to do you expect him to say? That he's "uncomfortable" with them, or that he "doesn't like them"?

Please!

All of you "offensive line has improved" happy little campers need to send Joe Pendry an email telling him to dump all these 2 and 3 step drops with the quick hitches, and have Carr go back to taking 5 step drops, and stand there and go through the progressions, and look for the open receiver.

Then you can tell me if the offensive line has improved. But until then, you've got nothing to base it on.

uhcougar08
12-02-2005, 09:01 AM
This whole "offensive line has improved" BS drives me freakin nuts!

As far as Carr saying that he is now "comfortable" with the OL, and that he "likes" who is playing LT and RT "right now" . . . well, what in hell to do you expect him to say? That he's "uncomfortable" with them, or that he "doesn't like them"?

Please!

All of you "offensive line has improved" happy little campers need to send Joe Pendry an email telling him to dump all these 2 and 3 step drops with the quick hitches, and have Carr go back to taking 5 step drops, and stand there and go through the progressions, and look for the open receiver.

Then you can tell me if the offensive line has improved. But until then, you've got nothing to base it on.

You need help. You must not be watching the same games I am.

Coach C.
12-02-2005, 09:07 AM
Certain parts of the O-line are definately playing better. Pitts is a much better LT than he is LG and he is playing more comfortable at that posistion. McKinney is a LG and that should be his posistion he plays tons better there. Hog is a decent pass blocking center, but he is not much help in the run game. Brown, Riley, and Washington are serviceable at best. Weigert and Wade get the job done when not injured, but should probably switch posistions.

All in all the line is playing better. Carr likes who is at LT and RT because it is the guys who should have been there at the beginning of the season. You put your athletic lineman on the ends. Now I doubt Carr is completely happy with the playcalling. I would assume that he would rather have the line the way it is and 3 wide outs rather than that max protect bull.

infantrycak
12-02-2005, 09:09 AM
You need help. You must not be watching the same games I am.

Where in the last few games do you see a normal 5 and 7 step drop offense? They did much better against the Rams (where the Rams were stupid enough to try to man cover AJ), but that is the only game in the past couple months they have attempted anything resembling an NFL offense.

eriadoc
12-02-2005, 09:10 AM
The offensive line has improved from the beginning of the year. But they still are not what you'd consider a good unit. They're not terrible, and that's something. But you don't see Carr take seven step drops and let deeper patterns emerge. The line cannot consistently protect him on those types of plays. We haven't seen a game prior to the Rams game where we weren't game planning to get the ball out in under 3 seconds. The Rams defense is as porous as ours, so you do have to take that game with a grain of salt.

keyfro
12-02-2005, 09:17 AM
i agree with drafting some quality lineman in this upcoming draft...but probably not in round one...and carr is looking more comfortable in the pocket...true st. louis is a horrible defense like ours...but pitts and weigert were able to keep lenard little off him who is a dynamic pass rusher just like dwight freeney...if weigert could stay healthy an entire year he probably would be our starter at RT...as far as the draft goes everyone by now should know the guy i think we need the most...the kid from ou davin joseph

Reddevil63
12-02-2005, 09:19 AM
You need help. You must not be watching the same games I am.
You do know that the Texans are the blue team right???

Runner
12-02-2005, 09:24 AM
I was asked if I watched the games. It is time for me to come clean.

Ok. I admit it. I've never watched a Texans game. However, I am a bit of an amateur cryptanalyst, and this is what I do. I glean what data I can from the following sources:

1) Texan talk over drinks
2) Water cooler discussion
3) Newspaper articles
4) Radio shows (I don't listen to any play-by-play)
5) TV news (but I don't watch the replays)
6) Discussion with various and sundry people who know something about the Texans
7) Texan message boards

I take this data and reconstruct what I think may have happened during the game in my head. I then comment on this reconstruction.

As an aside, there are those on this board who would make excellent cryptographers. Many posts do an excellent job of obfuscating what really happened in the game. Congratulations!

gcolby
12-02-2005, 09:27 AM
The point about Carr still not having the time for 5 and 7 step drops, or time to allow deep routes to develop is valid. Yes, the line is better, but we are still playing with only a third of the passing playbook because we can't protect the QB.

Glen

Reddevil63
12-02-2005, 09:27 AM
lol: This board is in rare form this morning

Kaiser Toro
12-02-2005, 09:32 AM
Word on the street is that Carr has two left feet and that anything over 3 steps actually will take him out of the pocket.

edo783
12-02-2005, 09:39 AM
This line MIGHT make a good college line, but it's a poor NFL line. Better than the start of the year...yes...somewhat. Good enough to win games against a good defense....Hardly. With the addition of a player or two and all the guys healthy, they could be solid. Ahhhh...next year.

Malloy
12-02-2005, 09:44 AM
Yup, the O-line has progressed since the start of the year but will still need a shot of draft to last through an entire season, and perform well.

IMO the D-line is actually a bigger problem right now. Our pass defence is mediocre at best and... the run defense is nearly non-existant.

SESupergenius
12-02-2005, 09:47 AM
How many times have you seen Carr have more than 4 seconds without pressure? I've seen several QB's get that when we play them.

Oh trust me, you can not get a true indication of what this line is capable until you see it consistantly and against the better half of ranked defenses. Basing it on the Rams game is suicidal thinking. Back away from eggnog folks, this next game will be a truer test.

Texans Horror
12-02-2005, 09:48 AM
I was asked if I watched the games. It is time for me to come clean.

Ok. I admit it. I've never watched a Texans game. However, I am a bit of an amateur cryptanalyst, and this is what I do. I glean what data I can from the following sources:

1) Texan talk over drinks
2) Water cooler discussion
3) Newspaper articles
4) Radio shows (I don't listen to any play-by-play)
5) TV news (but I don't watch the replays)
6) Discussion with various and sundry people who know something about the Texans
7) Texan message boards

I take this data and reconstruct what I think may have happened during the game in my head. I then comment on this reconstruction.

As an aside, there are those on this board who would make excellent cryptographers. Many posts do an excellent job of obfuscating what really happened in the game. Congratulations!


Best post ever!!!:yahoo:

Vinny
12-02-2005, 11:00 AM
I was asked if I watched the games. It is time for me to come clean.

Ok. I admit it. I've never watched a Texans game. However, I am a bit of an amateur cryptanalyst, and this is what I do. I glean what data I can from the following sources:

1) Texan talk over drinks
2) Water cooler discussion
3) Newspaper articles
4) Radio shows (I don't listen to any play-by-play)
5) TV news (but I don't watch the replays)
6) Discussion with various and sundry people who know something about the Texans
7) Texan message boards

I take this data and reconstruct what I think may have happened during the game in my head. I then comment on this reconstruction.

As an aside, there are those on this board who would make excellent cryptographers. Many posts do an excellent job of obfuscating what really happened in the game. Congratulations! I thought there was only one Ibar Harry?

Runner
12-02-2005, 11:06 AM
I thought there was only one Ibar Harry?

Good one.

jacquescas
12-02-2005, 11:13 AM
i think this is Carr's veiled attack at the running game and making a push for Bush

Runner
12-02-2005, 11:22 AM
Best post ever!!!:yahoo:

Thank you, but not really. I just get tired of the same old ad hominem arguments when someone disagrees with a poster (me or someone else). The two most common are:

1) Did you watch the game?
2) Where did you get that, playing Madden?

Now, I don't normally do ad hominem attacks, but if I did I would try to be more creative. For instance, I might respond thusly to someone questioning this post:

What do you expect him to say in public? This line sucks? This is grain of salt time. Look at all of the offensive statistics - not just sacks allowed - and see how this line stacks up to last years'. We're better than we were at the beginning of this year, and that is faint praise indeed.

I can see why someone could disagree with this post based on its opinion or merits, but it is really inexcusable for someone to argue against it because he misunderstood it. It was written at the 3rd grade level according to the Flesch-Kincaid readability test.

Vinny
12-02-2005, 11:37 AM
Thank you, but not really. I just get tired of the same old ad hominem arguments when someone disagrees with a poster (me or someone else). The two most common are:

1) Did you watch the game?
2) Where did you get that, playing Madden?

Now, I don't normally do ad hominem attacks, but if I did I would try to be more creative. For instance, I might respond thusly to someone questioning this post:



I can see why someone could disagree with this post based on its opinion or merits, but it is really inexcusable for someone to argue against it because he misunderstood it. It was written at the 3rd grade level according to the Flesch-Kincaid readability test.I think you are one of our more insightful posters - I wish we had more like you. I also get some vibe you are related to Seth Wand.

Runner
12-02-2005, 11:43 AM
I think you are one of our more insightful posters - I wish we had more like you. I also get some vibe you are related to Seth Wand.

Absolutely not. (The Seth Wand part, not the insightful thing).

Frills
12-02-2005, 11:44 AM
The quality of the whole team increases as the strength os schedule decreases


Kinda funny how that works

touttail
12-02-2005, 12:07 PM
What do you expect him to say in public? This line sucks? .


Really!!!!
He defititely would not bash his only hope they block for me line!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Runner
12-02-2005, 12:13 PM
You PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!"

Which is what Breuner said on 93.7 this morning. In addition (paraphrasing Bruener), you play for your job. More high draft picks mean more players that won't be with the Texans next year.

Double Barrel
12-02-2005, 12:17 PM
I've noticed an improvement in the line over the past few games (ever since Chester was moved to LT). You can actually see a pocket form now, which is a big improvement over the collapsing pocket of the first half of the season.

I'm not claiming it's Probowl caliber line by any stretch, but there seems to be a little more consistent protection and Carr is afforded more time than earlier in the year.

That being said, I hope they still make the OL one of their top priorities, both to upgrade talent, as well as give us some depth.

uhcougar08
12-02-2005, 01:10 PM
I've noticed an improvement in the line over the past few games (ever since Chester was moved to LT). You can actually see a pocket form now, which is a big improvement over the collapsing pocket of the first half of the season.

I'm not claiming it's Probowl caliber line by any stretch, but there seems to be a little more consistent protection and Carr is afforded more time than earlier in the year.

That being said, I hope they still make the OL one of their top priorities, both to upgrade talent, as well as give us some depth.

This was my whole point. You build the O-Line, Im not saying it is the line of KC or anything, I just said that you dont move Pitts from LT, he is the future and you will see. So if we have the number one pick you select Bush instead of a LT, because it is a deep draft at OL, so you can build from there. The line is clicking somewhat and Carr said half of the problem was him in the begining of the season. When you are scared, you would get rid of the ball really fast too.

Basiclly it is this simple: Did anyone on here listen to what Carr said this morning? If you didn't, you wont understand what I have to say, because I am just commenting on what he said, not what i think.

uhcougar08
12-02-2005, 01:26 PM
Did yall hear him talk about the triangle button?

Hardcore Texan
12-02-2005, 06:19 PM
He is more comfortable with the line because he is not on his backside every other play, and not getting his head taken off. They are playing better, and it is about damn time, but we still need to upgrade.

We can't get complacent at this point or we are toast. By making smart aquisitions in the offseason and creating competition at every position will bring out the best in our team. Talent, hardwork, determination, and sometimes just plain ole opportunity should prevail and give us a glimmer of hope for the future.

:texflag:

TexanDave
12-02-2005, 09:05 PM
Did yall hear him talk about the triangle button?

I listened to him this morning and heard them bring up Madden Football and the Circle and the Triangle button. They were talking about you can't look at the pocket around, you have to look downfield. Then Lance brought up how when he plays Madden Football he is looking at the Circle and the Triangle and doesn't look at the pocket. That is when David mentioned that he just kept his eyes on the Triangle (#80).

El Tejano
12-04-2005, 12:10 AM
i agree with drafting some quality lineman in this upcoming draft...but probably not in round one...and carr is looking more comfortable in the pocket...true st. louis is a horrible defense like ours...but pitts and weigert were able to keep lenard little off him who is a dynamic pass rusher just like dwight freeney...if weigert could stay healthy an entire year he probably would be our starter at RT...as far as the draft goes everyone by now should know the guy i think we need the most...the kid from ou davin joseph
I agree. Even if this was a poor pass rushing team, we still got a glimpse of what Carr can do when he has more than 3 seconds to throw.

Goldeagle
12-04-2005, 01:15 PM
He said he was very comfortable with this line we have now, and he has time to throw the ball now. He also said he liked the guys we have at right and left tackle. After the first half against the Rams, I think it should show some of whats to come in the last five games if this O-Line works.:texflag:


That is called being nice and keeping things internal

Marcus
12-04-2005, 01:22 PM
This whole "offensive line has improved" BS drives me freakin nuts!

As far as Carr saying that he is now "comfortable" with the OL, and that he "likes" who is playing LT and RT "right now" . . . well, what in hell to do you expect him to say? That he's "uncomfortable" with them, or that he "doesn't like them"?

Please!

All of you "offensive line has improved" happy little campers need to send Joe Pendry an email telling him to dump all these 2 and 3 step drops with the quick hitches, and have Carr go back to taking 5 step drops, and stand there and go through the progressions, and look for the open receiver.

Then you can tell me if the offensive line has improved. But until then, you've got nothing to base it on.

Well, I see Pendry got my email.:rolleyes:

Is your question now answered as to whether the offensive line has really improved?