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Ryan
11-30-2005, 08:04 PM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.

rmartin65
11-30-2005, 08:06 PM
Texans just paid him big money over the summer, he's not going anywhere.

Ryan
11-30-2005, 08:08 PM
well he will be a decent back up to reggie bush.

nunusguy
11-30-2005, 08:18 PM
Hard to understand Casserlys reasoning on giving DD a new contract at
the beginning of the season, especially since they just used a third round
pick on another RB in Aprils Draft. I mean we all know that DD is injury prone,
many scenarios could have had the OK-State rookie as #1 on the depth chart at year end. Then there's Hollings, probably the teams worst personnel
decision along with the PBurnt trade. Casserly has been at his very worst
when it comes to choosing and picking players at RB.

Hervoyel
11-30-2005, 08:25 PM
I don't claim to remember the numbers but I recall many people on this board throwing those numbers around back when he signed him and applauding Charlie Casserly for getting Davis "now" at a fairly reasonable price as opposed to after the 2005 season when he'd cost significantly more (presuming that he'd finally come up with that 1,300 - 1,500 season he's always just about to have.

Now it's all about the ridiculous money we paid Davis and how he'll be very hard to trade with that salary. I have to say I'm confused about this. Which one is it?

eriadoc
11-30-2005, 08:26 PM
There are very few backs that would have 125 yards rushing AND 42 receiving with a TD. Jamal Lewis might have 42 yards receiving in his career, for instance (slightly exaggerated to make a point). If the team plays to DD's strengths, which is an all-purpose back, then he can be highly effective. I don't personally think he needs 25 carries a game. I'd much rather see him with 15 and maybe 5 receptions.

Fiddy
11-30-2005, 08:56 PM
I don't claim to remember the numbers but I recall many people on this board throwing those numbers around back when he signed him and applauding Charlie Casserly for getting Davis "now" at a fairly reasonable price as opposed to after the 2005 season when he'd cost significantly more (presuming that he'd finally come up with that 1,300 - 1,500 season he's always just about to have.

Now it's all about the ridiculous money we paid Davis and how he'll be very hard to trade with that salary. I have to say I'm confused about this. Which one is it? Yeah, he was a top 5 RB in some peoples eyes. He was suppose to have that 2000 yard total season the last couple years, too.

I can't talk though, I supported Tony Hollings :bag:

Goldeagle
11-30-2005, 09:18 PM
DD is okay but Wells deserves playing time.

We dont need Reggie Bush, we need a great O-line like any solid team has

infantrycak
11-30-2005, 09:31 PM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.

Stellar analysis there. So a good, not even great RB averages 5 ypc? I guess LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't even been good except for 3 weeks of this season, Edge has only been good 3 weeks of this season, Willis McGahee has only been good 3 weeks of this season. FYI, only 1 RB in the NFL has averaged 5 or over this year. Pick a silly standard, get a silly conclusion.

Grid
11-30-2005, 09:40 PM
I was just gonna say "stfu" but some people with more patience than me for this kind of bunk have done a good job of explaining.

i agree with Jerek and Infantry

edo783
11-30-2005, 09:47 PM
Just a Bush pimp trying to justify taking him by dissing DD. Happens every year with one player or another. Last year was that can't miss, send him to the HOF in his rookie year safety. Can't seem to remember his name...Shaun something or another. Heard he got a job somewhere in DC.

Napa Auto Parts
11-30-2005, 09:48 PM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.




I Feel your Pain If Fragile Fred Taylor:texflag: Had 165 Yards On 22 Carries i would expect DD To At least Break 100 on 25 Carries but we are judged by mediocre standards now a days. and our Fans dont ask much from the players.

hot pickle
11-30-2005, 09:54 PM
DD is a good RB, and i doubt hes 100% right now, but they should of started Wells in the Rams game, but i can see DD being a great RB in the next year or two give it some time, its only his 3rd season, hes young and we have alot of time, and how long was his contract for???

Runner
11-30-2005, 10:11 PM
Now it's all about the ridiculous money we paid Davis and how he'll be very hard to trade with that salary. I have to say I'm confused about this. Which one is it?

There is always confusion when comparing apples to oranges, I mean foresight to hindsight.

aj.
11-30-2005, 10:41 PM
DD is one of the best, if not the best, value picks made by this franchise to date. But to me, DD will always be more of an Aaron Stecker-type (and we don't have a Deuce). We just use him as an every down back and to his credit and our good fortune, he has performed above expectations.

MorKnolle
12-01-2005, 12:00 AM
Hard to understand Casserlys reasoning on giving DD a new contract at
the beginning of the season, especially since they just used a third round
pick on another RB in Aprils Draft.

Probably because he started his career with two 1000 yard rushing seasons behind our poor line and won Rookie of the Year two years ago. He has been one of the better all-round backs in the league and would have been a restricted free agent at the end of the year so they wanted to lock him down early. He had 1776 total yards and 14 TDs last year in 15 games, pretty good numbers, especially for someone in our poor offensive system.

eriadoc
12-01-2005, 01:50 AM
Seriously, where do you get the 25/125 number? Shaun Alexander and LT are not good RBs, they are phenomenal RBs, and they are the only two backs in the league that come to my mind that would ever be expected to put up that many carries with that YPC on a regular basis.

I got it from the original post. Don't look at me. :shrug:

thunderkyss
12-01-2005, 08:28 AM
Hmmmm our running game suffers...........our passing game suffers.....hmm

there's got to be something in common......can't put my finger on it...........


Let's see, Our passing game suffers because our quarterback is lying down half the game?? why would he lay down after every other snap??.......
Then our running game..........guys keep getting hit before they reach the line of scrimmage......what's between the running back and the line of scrimmage??
What's supposed to allow the quarterback to take a 5 step drop, and remain standing??...........I can't think of it, but I think it's the same thing between the running back and the line of scrimmage.....it's some kind of a squiggle, or a line, or something........

I don't know, this football stuff is too hard for me.....my brain hurts...

Frills
12-01-2005, 10:58 AM
Bush takes a hit and crumbles now. What happens when he gets thumped by someone like Roy Williams (Emmit Smith, TO, McNabb).

He rarely gets more than 15 carries/game.

White is a better Pro RB, not as flashy, but flashy in the NFL lands you on the trainer table.

BigBull17
12-01-2005, 11:03 AM
I Feel your Pain If Fragile Fred Taylor:texflag: Had 165 Yards On 22 Carries i would expect DD To At least Break 100 on 25 Carries but we are judged by mediocre standards now a days. and our Fans dont ask much from the players.

Yeah cause Fragile Fred does it every game? DD isnt the type of back that will take a run 78 yrds for a TD. Does that make him a lower tier RB? No it just says hes not a homerun hitter. There are alot of elite Rb's who dont hit homeruns.

TexanFanInCC
12-01-2005, 11:14 AM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.


and he did it vs. a bad rams defense... its time to start making the reggie bush jerseys for sell at academy....and we gotta get the REG-GIE REG-GIE REG-GIE chant going...

TexansStill
12-01-2005, 11:37 AM
He is a very good back. Very steady when he is healthy. He is just not a game changer. He does not break out for that home run when you need him too. The elite backs do that on a game to game basis. That's why Reggie Bush should be strongly considered. We see him do it all the time.:texans:

F-minus67
12-01-2005, 12:03 PM
I'm not trying to take anything away from Bush, but he has had one of the best, if not the best o lines in college. Not to mention that if he was drafted, he would never get the most out of his talent. The team already has Davis, Wells and Morency, which mean the most time he would get is on special teams.

Napa Auto Parts
12-01-2005, 12:06 PM
he would beat out david and morency he would get handed the Job at runningback like they have handed the job at other Positions and bush would be great.:texflag:

thunderkyss
12-01-2005, 12:25 PM
You do understand behind this line, he won't be getting 125 yards on 25 carries. I honestly don't think anyone can. Opposing defenses very rarely worry about our passing game. They don't have to. 8 men in the box. 9 men, in the box.....Reggie bush would have a hard time hitting homeruns game after game.

I'd like to have an explosive back like Reggie, but not at the expense of ruining him, and yet another loosing season.

Let's fix our problems first. We've got recievers, we've got RBs, we've got the only QB dumb enough to take the job......we need Cornerbacks, Linebackers, and Olinemen more than we need a RB. If we have to, we should trade down, for a lower first, and an extra second round pick, heck we can get a lower first, and a proven Offensive gaurd......

I'm not hating on Bush, but I'd think it would be pathetic to draft him. We have the most frequently sacked QB in the last 3 years running, so let's draft a tailback.

eriadoc
12-01-2005, 12:27 PM
You know what all this Reggie Bush hype reminds me of? The hype surrounding JJ Arrington last season. The only back to run for 2000 yards in NCAA last year, fast, homerun hitter, blah blah blah.

Let's not put his bust in Canton just yet. (I actually had the line from Pulp Fiction - Harvey Keitel in mind, but it's slightly inappropriate ;))

Hardcore Texan
12-01-2005, 12:40 PM
I think DD is a very good running/all purpose back. He is a little injury prone, but if we trade him and gets behind a good O-line, we will regret it bigtime. When teams gameplan against us, he is the first person they want to stop. Of course he's 60% of our offense, and we are pretty good at stopping ourselves. We need a more balanced attack. I could see adding a quality back to split carries with DD. Hard to say if drafting a tailback is the best idea, or trading down for an extra pick. We have alot of problems to fix. We could really benefit from a great TE, but back to the O-line problems, our TE are needed to block. :brickwall

DEAR LORD GIVE ME THE ANSWER!!! - Billy Madison

infantrycak
12-01-2005, 01:55 PM
He is just not a game changer. He does not break out for that home run when you need him too. The elite backs do that on a game to game basis. That's why Reggie Bush should be strongly considered. We see him do it all the time.:texans:

Someone needs to call up Edge with his 3 runs over 20 yds and 33 yd long on the season and tell him he isn't elite. Maybe do a conference call with Willis McGahee and his 4 runs over 20 yds and long of 27 and Clinton Portis with his 3 runs over 20 yds and long of 41.

Frills
12-01-2005, 02:01 PM
Arrington is on a ****** team, one that passes first, and then passes again. He onlly gets like, 5-8 carries a game, and averages like, 40 yds a game. I don't even know if he starts or not. I thought Arrington was better than Caddilac personally, but I can't say for sure because Arrington hardly gets any carries.

He's prolly getting his first start this weekend, against a craptastic SF team he should do well.

Vinny
12-01-2005, 02:02 PM
You do understand behind this line, he won't be getting 125 yards on 25 carries. I honestly don't think anyone can. Opposing defenses very rarely worry about our passing game. I don't know why everyone seems to think that run blocking skills and pass blocking skills are the same. Our linemen are much better run blockers than pass blockers on balance.

uhcougar08
12-01-2005, 02:25 PM
You know what all this Reggie Bush hype reminds me of? The hype surrounding JJ Arrington last season. The only back to run for 2000 yards in NCAA last year, fast, homerun hitter, blah blah blah.

Let's not put his bust in Canton just yet. (I actually had the line from Pulp Fiction - Harvey Keitel in mind, but it's slightly inappropriate ;))

Bush is one of the most exciting players in college football history, he is not compared to Arrington, if anything, I have heard comparing him to a faster marshall faulk or even gayle sayers.

Frills
12-01-2005, 02:30 PM
Bush is one of the most exciting players in college football history, he is not compared to Arrington, if anything, I have heard comparing him to a faster marshall faulk or even gayle sayers.

Let me know when he carries the ball more than 20 times in a few games...then he might be considered worthy

infantrycak
12-01-2005, 02:33 PM
I don't know why everyone seems to think that run blocking skills and pass blocking skills are the same. Our linemen are much better run blockers than pass blockers on balance.

Very true, but IMO there are not doing as well run blocking this year as they were the 2nd half of last year.

mancunian
12-01-2005, 03:14 PM
There are very few backs that would have 125 yards rushing AND 42 receiving with a TD. Jamal Lewis might have 42 yards receiving in his career, for instance (slightly exaggerated to make a point). If the team plays to DD's strengths, which is an all-purpose back, then he can be highly effective. I don't personally think he needs 25 carries a game. I'd much rather see him with 15 and maybe 5 receptions.

you mean bit like Westbrook at the Eagles, he has maybe 10 - 15 carries but can quite often get 6- 10 catches as well.

royce1054
12-01-2005, 03:17 PM
This might just be noticing this but the reason why we cant get a pass off is because our o-line doesnt give them enough time to do it. So then i think Why is DD not doing so good this year. Then i think is it really DD that is doing bad or is it our run blocking that needs the help. I have seen DD run when he get blocking and he runs brilliantly. Plus the Texans gave him that huge contract so i think the Texans dont think its him. I seriously doubt that we will ever see Reggie Bush as our RB. We make bad selections every year and if we draft Reggie Bush that will be a waist of money. We need OL too much to even consider a RB in the 1st round.

Frills
12-01-2005, 03:18 PM
DD has so many rec yards because the middle of the field is wide open due to sacks and lack of TE.

There is absolutely no reason to cover the middle of the field vs the Texans.

mancunian
12-01-2005, 03:20 PM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.

Alexander had 30 odd carries for just over 100 yards against the Giants - as an average per rush attempt its about the same.
A lot of the reason that Alexander is successful is that O Line - Jones, Hutchinson, Tobeck, Gray and the young lad Locklear. Dont forget that he also has one of the best lead blockers in the game - Mack Strong at FB.

Now how do you think Alexander would do behind our O line?

eriadoc
12-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Yes, Mancunian - more like how the Eagles intended on using Westbrook, with Buckhalter splitting carries.

For all the talk about how much like Faulk and Westbrook everyone thinks Bush might be, I personally think there's a much better chance his career ends up closer to Eric Metcalf or Dave Meggett. Both of those guys were very valuable players to their teams throughout their careers, but neither will ever get a sniff at the HOF. Meggett made the Pro Bowl twice and played in two Super Bowls and Metcalf made three Pro Bowls. Metcalf started his career as a RB, but was labeled a WR later. He did enough of both to totally confuse anyone who tried to figure out what he was :). He finished with 630 rushing attempts and 541 receptions in his career. He did have one season with 1189 receiving yards.

JMO.

Ryan
12-01-2005, 03:51 PM
I Feel your Pain If Fragile Fred Taylor:texflag: Had 165 Yards On 22 Carries i would expect DD To At least Break 100 on 25 Carries but we are judged by mediocre standards now a days. and our Fans dont ask much from the players.

It is really sad what our fans are asking of them. We are asking David Carr just to get rid of the ball, but what about the completion? That is just an example BTW

run-david-run
12-01-2005, 03:54 PM
Domanick is a half-way decent fit for the texans. He can be fairly decent at time, but last week watching him run the football made me officially give up on him. 25 carries, 78 yards? That is horrible!!!!!!! A good running back in the NFL would have at least 125 yards with 25 carries. I want him out after this season.

Willis McGahee had 22 caries for 55 yds last week. The week before Stephen Jackson had 9 carries for 6 yds. About a month ago LT went into the 4th quarter with a negative yardage total against the Eagles on over 10 carries.

DD had over 130 total yds and people complain, go figure!!!:brickwall

run-david-run
12-01-2005, 04:04 PM
Arrington is on a ****** team, one that passes first, and then passes again. He onlly gets like, 5-8 carries a game, and averages like, 40 yds a game. I don't even know if he starts or not. I thought Arrington was better than Caddilac personally, but I can't say for sure because Arrington hardly gets any carries.
The reason he gets no carries is because he gets no yards! I remeber multiple games this year when he averages less then 2 yds a carry. I relly dont think that a team with Kurt Warner and Josh McCowan at Qb wants to be extreamly pass oriented?

Vinny
12-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Arrington has a hard time breaking tackles...he is an open field runner. Breaking tackles is a more important skill than being an open field runner for running backs. There is less room in the NFL....everyone has speed. In College the open field runner type guys always look better in College than they do in the NFL.

infantrycak
12-01-2005, 04:07 PM
Arrington has a hard time breaking tackles...he is an open field runner. Breaking tackles is a more important skill than being an open field runner for running backs. There is less room in the NFL....everyone has speed. In College the open field runner type guys always look better in College than they do in the NFL.

Which is one of the reasons Bush scares me.

thague
12-01-2005, 04:11 PM
Davis be a good running back but he isn't putting up huge numbers because of a number of reasons. Reason number one is the run blocking scheme of the Texans. They hardly ever block down or double anyone to open up any holes, plus they very rarely run in situations that are solid to run in such as second and long when you can pick up 8 or 10 yards on a draw play... secondly the texans pass blocking doesn't allow carr enough time to throw the deep ball. The safeties then can play up putting 8 or 9 in the box throughout the game. Thirdly Davis was a fourth round selection as an ALL-PURPOSE BACK... DD is not a 25 or 30 carry a game guy.. bring in my boy Reggie Bush and a Free Agent Offensive Linemen along with a new coaching staff with a different scheme and the Texans are going to be playoff bound in 3 years

Napa Auto Parts
12-01-2005, 04:15 PM
Yeah cause Fragile Fred does it every game? DD isnt the type of back that will take a run 78 yrds for a TD. Does that make him a lower tier RB? No it just says hes not a homerun hitter. There are alot of elite Rb's who dont hit homeruns.


So what you are saying is that you wouldnt mind trading DD for Fragile Fred thats what it sounds like.:texflag:

eriadoc
12-01-2005, 04:21 PM
Then why is their leading rusher week to week.

If you're referring to Arrington, go back and look at his September and October stats. Perhaps he's improving, but I know he's had a couple long runs to buff his totals, when it's the every down work that's making him look bad. Vinny summed it up rather well, actually. I watched a video of Arrington before the draft and came away thinking "Wow, he never got hit! Wonder how that's going to translate to the NFL?" Of course, explaining that to anyone was rather unproductive.

eriadoc
12-01-2005, 04:24 PM
..... bring in my boy Reggie Bush and a Free Agent Offensive Linemen along with a new coaching staff with a different scheme and the Texans are going to be playoff bound in 3 years

I'm curious, which one would you suggest?

<whispers>there are none ... teams hang onto LTs for dear life</whispers>

HomeBred_Texan
12-01-2005, 04:51 PM
I have said this many times and will say it again...

DD is NOT a franchise back and never will be. He doesnt have the qualities it takes to become one, ever...............

Grid
12-01-2005, 05:15 PM
keep saying that and some day it might be true.

probably the day he retires.

Goldeagle
12-01-2005, 11:16 PM
I have said this many times and will say it again...

DD is NOT a franchise back and never will be. He doesnt have the qualities it takes to become one, ever...............


I disagree, when healthy he looks and runs like a young Priest Holmes and with Wells backing him up (who looks like a young Bettis) we are set at RB. We need O-line, Linebackers, and a secondary be it safety or another Cornerback.

Ive seen a ton of fast guys come out of college and do nothing. can you say 85% of Nebraska RBs??

And I am not sold on Reggie Bush being tough and being able to take a NFL hit.

Dont draft Bush, Trade down and fill in the holes Casserly and Capers has put us in.