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lod01
11-30-2005, 02:38 PM
Everytime the dude takes a snap, that is all i can think. If any of you watched the Sunday night game a few weeks ago, it was one of the announcers that made that statememnt at the snap of the ball one play. It was hilarious. Just say it in a normal manner.

Carr.......Carr......Carr.....

Like 3+ seconds.

that is how much time the dude had and he still could not do anything but try and run with it. Was anyone open, of course. He just couldn't scan the field. Carr.......Carr......Carr......

Now watching Manning Monday night, you can see that within 2 seconds, the ball is out of his hands into a receivers. Can Carr do that? nope. Manning was doing it just about every pass. Hence I blame Carr and not the line. They are blocking sufficiently for him to get rid of the ball. He just can't get it done.

SheTexan
11-30-2005, 02:41 PM
Geeeezzzzz! Just what we need, another bash Carr thread!! How many do we have now Vinny?? My guess is about, NEVERMIND, don't think I can count that far today!

El Tejano
11-30-2005, 02:55 PM
Well, to chip into this debate, I think one needs to look at the formation Carr deals with the majority of the time. He only has two WRs, his TE have to stay in to help, the defense only has to rush the front four leaving 7 people in coverage to cover 2 WR, and a rb that slips out from the back field.

Manning gets two TE running routes, 3 WR and a great running game that can catch the ball also.

Double Barrel
11-30-2005, 02:56 PM
Imagine that, our QB is not as good as Peyton Manning.

hmmmmm...I'd speculate that 30 other teams have the same problem.... :hmmm:

barzilla
11-30-2005, 03:00 PM
Well, to chip into this debate, I think one needs to look at the formation Carr deals with the majority of the time. He only has two WRs, his TE have to stay in to help, the defense only has to rush the front four leaving 7 people in coverage to cover 2 WR, and a rb that slips out from the back field.

Manning gets two TE running routes, 3 WR and a great running game that can catch the ball also.

Can we also talk about the quality of these players? Even if our TEs went out for routes, none of them can get separation even on a LB. Our second WR is really a good third WR. Our best third WR is on the bench because our coaches can't figure out that all he does is catch everything thrown his way and the guy who has been starting all four years has caught barely enough balls for one good season. Yet, management decided he deserved a contract. :crying:

If this team would glue Bradford's *** on the bench and put Armstrong in with Gaffney (whoa! a 3 WR set) then Carr would have choices. If he blows it then, start looking elsewhere, but give the guy a chance in a real offense first.

Sportsfan
11-30-2005, 03:15 PM
Imagine that, our QB is not as good as Peyton Manning.

hmmmmm...I'd speculate that 30 other teams have the same problem.... :hmmm:

word :thumbup

HJam72
11-30-2005, 03:19 PM
Hey!!! Maybe we can trade Carr for Peyton Manning and 5 or 6 first round picks. :)

HJam72
11-30-2005, 03:22 PM
Hey look, I just solved like 3 pages of arguments...could we please move on to why suckiness occurs with this team.

1. Capers
2. Casserly
3. Fangio
4. Pendry

That pretty much sums it up.

Kaiser Toro
11-30-2005, 03:22 PM
word :thumbup

That is a funny avatar.

HJam72
11-30-2005, 03:35 PM
Nobody knows because we don't know who's going to be in charge.

ArlingtonTexan
11-30-2005, 03:39 PM
Geeeezzzzz! Just what we need, another bash Carr thread!! How many do we have now Vinny?? My guess is about, NEVERMIND, don't think I can count that far today!

What the masses have even gotten tired of the Carr debate???

billtxus
11-30-2005, 04:02 PM
Yea its all Carr's fault. That's why a rookie from Harvard was able to score 10 points in 35 seconds on Sunday.

To me it matters little who the QB is right now. There are so many problems with this team.

Chicago is going to the playoffs with a rookie QB no one heard of before the season began. Why? Because both their O-line an D-line are great.

Im sure your solution is to draft Linert #1, and then the problems will all be solved.

ANYONE could play QB for the Texans right now and they would still suck, so why waste another draft pick on one, until the rest of the team is fixed. Might as well not give Carr the $8M, and let Banks play until the rest of the team starts to perform, then they can get a QB when it will matter.

Double Barrel
11-30-2005, 04:36 PM
That is a funny avatar.

Speaking of funny avatars, I've been meaning to compliment yours. Funny as all get out...if a little gross. :D

Back OT...yeah, Carr....all that jazz... *yawn* :texflag:

Napa Auto Parts
11-30-2005, 07:19 PM
Hey!!! Maybe we can trade Carr for Peyton Manning and 5 or 6 first round picks. :)



They Wouldnt want a failure by failure i mean has not gotten done to date. like Carr we might have to give about our next 15st rounders and they will make us keep Carr:texflag:

thunderkyss
11-30-2005, 08:24 PM
Couple of things.

put Carr in Mannings place, and you'd be amazed what he could do.
put Manning in Carr's place, and you'd be amazed what he could do.

Peyton is in a league all his own.
But while you were watching the Colts, did you notice they have no fullback?? they Run one back, 2 wides, and two TEs on almost every play. Their wide recievers are great, in that they can catch a ball that is thrown to them. Just like that first 80 yard strike to Harris, it wasn't because he ran such a good route, or that he's that much faster than everybody else on the field. He was open, because of the scheme of the play they called. And Peyton recognizing what the corner was doing. When the play was designed, they had an idea about what they wanted the corner to do. He bit, hook line and sinker.

Goldeagle
11-30-2005, 09:16 PM
oh brother

Napa Auto Parts
11-30-2005, 09:55 PM
I hate all you Carr haters David Carr is just as good as peyton manning and Better than Carson Palmer if david had and O-line we would be undefeated.:sarcasm:

I wonder if Palmer was a product of the system in USC as well like Leinart he cant be an:texflag: y good it has to be the system right.

mancunian
12-01-2005, 03:30 PM
Imagine that, our QB is not as good as Peyton Manning.

hmmmmm...I'd speculate that 30 other teams have the same problem.... :hmmm:


29 - Patriots fans would argue that Tom Brady is a better QB than Manning .....3 SB's, 2 SB MVP's and a 9 -0 play off record.

You know I'll be hoping that either the Jags or Seahawks beat them - I'd like to see the smile wiped off the smug Colt faces.

mancunian
12-01-2005, 03:35 PM
Yea its all Carr's fault. That's why a rookie from Harvard was able to score 10 points in 35 seconds on Sunday.

To me it matters little who the QB is right now. There are so many problems with this team.

Chicago is going to the playoffs with a rookie QB no one heard of before the season began. Why? Because both their O-line an D-line are great.

Im sure your solution is to draft Linert #1, and then the problems will all be solved.

ANYONE could play QB for the Texans right now and they would still suck, so why waste another draft pick on one, until the rest of the team is fixed. Might as well not give Carr the $8M, and let Banks play until the rest of the team starts to perform, then they can get a QB when it will matter.


Even P Manning would struggle behind our O-Line - 4 years we've done virtually nothing with it yet we're still giving up sacks like they're out of fashion.
Even when we have a decent O-line it will take Carr time to feel comfortable, anyone would be a little jumpy if they had been sacked 200+ times in 4 years. That'll take time to wear off.

thague
12-01-2005, 05:42 PM
Everytime the dude takes a snap, that is all i can think. If any of you watched the Sunday night game a few weeks ago, it was one of the announcers that made that statememnt at the snap of the ball one play. It was hilarious. Just say it in a normal manner.

Carr.......Carr......Carr.....

Like 3+ seconds.

that is how much time the dude had and he still could not do anything but try and run with it. Was anyone open, of course. He just couldn't scan the field. Carr.......Carr......Carr......

Now watching Manning Monday night, you can see that within 2 seconds, the ball is out of his hands into a receivers. Can Carr do that? nope. Manning was doing it just about every pass. Hence I blame Carr and not the line. They are blocking sufficiently for him to get rid of the ball. He just can't get it done.

Granted, this season when Carr has been under intense pressure the entire year, his stats have not been that good..., however last season when he was sacked less than 50 times, which is still a lot... he put up vey solid numbers 3500+ yards 61% completion percentage and 16TD... give him a damn line and get another weapon around him... (BUSH BUSH BUSH) and he could be a legit threat for 4000 yards

run-david-run
12-01-2005, 07:10 PM
Everytime the dude takes a snap, that is all i can think. If any of you watched the Sunday night game a few weeks ago, it was one of the announcers that made that statememnt at the snap of the ball one play. It was hilarious. Just say it in a normal manner.

Carr.......Carr......Carr.....

Like 3+ seconds.

that is how much time the dude had and he still could not do anything but try and run with it. Was anyone open, of course. He just couldn't scan the field. Carr.......Carr......Carr......

Now watching Manning Monday night, you can see that within 2 seconds, the ball is out of his hands into a receivers. Can Carr do that? nope. Manning was doing it just about every pass. Hence I blame Carr and not the line. They are blocking sufficiently for him to get rid of the ball. He just can't get it done.

3 td's and 293 yds, but yeah, he did absoultley nothing! Just because we lost does not mean it was carr's fault, it was the defense that gave up 10 points in 30 seconds, not much carr could do about that...

what more do you want from your qb then 3td and 300yds, giving his team a two score lead with under a minute?

run-david-run
12-01-2005, 07:10 PM
Granted, this season when Carr has been under intense pressure the entire year, his stats have not been that good..., however last season when he was sacked less than 50 times, which is still a lot... he put up vey solid numbers 3500+ yards 61% completion percentage and 16TD... give him a damn line and get another weapon around him... (BUSH BUSH BUSH) and he could be a legit threat for 4000 yards
You ask for better protection than say draft Bush... yeah, that makes plenty of sense!!

barzilla
12-01-2005, 09:15 PM
You ask for better protection than say draft Bush... yeah, that makes plenty of sense!!

On its face it doesn't make sense, but unlike Mike Ditka when he took Ricky Williams, we'll have other selections. If the club feels comfortable with Pitts at LT then they could draft a RT later in the draft or even some guards in the middle rounds. Carr has three problems: his line sucks, he has few legitimate weapons, and he doesn't read defenses well.

If you remove either of the first two problems you make the situation better. As for the third, we will know whether he can't read defenses or whether he is shell-shocked. Who knows, maybe if he gets another two seconds or someone like Bush can get open sooner Carr will suddenly read defenses better.