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grandslam1
11-28-2005, 11:13 PM
if he'd be available , would you think he could help us along with D'Brick?

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 11:14 PM
if he'd be available , would you think he could help us along with D'Brick?

Dont want cancer on this team, he can go smoke pot somewhere else.:texflag:

Grid
11-28-2005, 11:15 PM
No.. I think we are set with Davis and Wells. And Morency to work with.

WildBlackBear32
11-28-2005, 11:37 PM
Dont want cancer on this team, he can go smoke pot somewhere else.:texflag:


Hilarious how anyone can call him a cancer. Quitter? Sure. Cancer? Laughable. He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all. He let his teammates down last year and he's contributing in big ways this year on the field and off. He's pushing Ronnie Brown to be better. He's rushing very well, 4.3 YPC (if you take away his first two weeks that it took to shake off the rust) with two scores.

People make mistakes. Get over it.

tulexan
11-28-2005, 11:45 PM
I actually like Ricky and wouldn't mind him being on the team. The guy is a great player and extremely talented. He made a mistake and needed some time to think about his life, but he is back now and from what I've heard, is one of the hardest working players on the team. If anything they aren't using him enough.

Hookem Horns
11-28-2005, 11:50 PM
We already have a pot smoking GM and Head Coach. It's time to send the bong party somewhere else.

HJam72
11-29-2005, 12:31 AM
That avatar is hilarious. lol:

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 07:24 AM
Hilarious how anyone can call him a cancer. Quitter? Sure. Cancer? Laughable. He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all. He let his teammates down last year and he's contributing in big ways this year on the field and off. He's pushing Ronnie Brown to be better. He's rushing very well, 4.3 YPC (if you take away his first two weeks that it took to shake off the rust) with two scores.

People make mistakes. Get over it.
NO, you get over it. The guy is playing for one reason and one reason only: MONEY!!! He would have owed the Dolphins like $7 Million or something like that. I would come back if i owed that much too. Once he is done owing them, hes gone. Mark my words on that one. I dont want any quiters on the Texans. And that makes him a Cancer in my book.

Hervoyel
11-29-2005, 08:44 AM
If the Texans picked up Ricky Williams via trade before the draft and then picked their franchise LT in the first round then it would take one or two series to win over the people who think adding him would be a mistake. One 40+ yard touchdown run and the cheers would drown out the complaints.

I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 08:50 AM
NO, you get over it. The guy is playing for one reason and one reason only: MONEY!!! He would have owed the Dolphins like $7 Million or something like that. I would come back if i owed that much too. Once he is done owing them, hes gone. Mark my words on that one. I dont want any quiters on the Texans. And that makes him a Cancer in my book.

It must suck totally that someone who to you, is only playing for money, is outperforming our starter. Same amount of touchdowns on 100 less carries. A half yard better per carry. Not to mention he's coming off an 18 month offseason. My oh my, that guy has no heart.

I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.

Texans Horror
11-29-2005, 08:57 AM
The problem is not Ricky's drive or his ability to play. IMO, it's his smoking. He has already been on the four-game suspension. The next time he is busted, he is out for a year. I like Ricky, and I think he is an awesome running back, but I think he is too much of a liability to any team for that reason.

eriadoc
11-29-2005, 09:01 AM
I don't get all this fascination with going out to get a new running back. DD may be our second-best offensive player and he never gets any respect. Sure, he's not Tomlinson, but few backs ever are. You can't hit home runs at every position and Super Bowls have been won with lesser backs than Davis. IMO, Davis would be even more effective than he currently is if the line run blocked a little better (they do well some Sundays and others .... ehhh) and if the team mixed in Wells or Morency more frequently. I see Davis as a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook type of back. And that's pretty good.

There are about nine other positions that need to be addressed on offense before we get to RB.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 09:01 AM
The problem is not Ricky's drive or his ability to play. IMO, it's his smoking. He has already been on the four-game suspension. The next time he is busted, he is out for a year. I like Ricky, and I think he is an awesome running back, but I think he is too much of a liability to any team for that reason.


And for that reason(which he is tested for, I believe twice a week during the season) he will probably come cheap to whoever wants him.

HJam72
11-29-2005, 09:02 AM
The question I have is what would we be giving up for him and, even though he would apparently be an improvement, shouldn't we be looking to improve at other positions?

abbest
11-29-2005, 09:03 AM
Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!

Lucky
11-29-2005, 09:27 AM
I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.
Ricky definately turned the Dolphins around in '04.

You could wait a long time for that 40 yard run. Ricky has 3 of them for his career and sports a whopping 4.0 ypc average (same as Davis) over 6 seasons. Williams is not a breakaway runner, and he's not a workhorse anymore since dropping 20 lbs. The myth that Ricky Williams is a special back is just that. And once you consider that the guy is one puff from a year's suspension, why bring him in?

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 09:30 AM
Ricky definately turned the Dolphins around in '04.

You could wait a long time for that 40 yard run. Ricky has 3 of them for his career and sports a whopping 4.0 ypc average (same as Davis) over 6 seasons. Williams is not a breakaway runner, and he's not a workhorse anymore since dropping 20 lbs. The myth that Ricky Williams is a special back is just that. And once you consider that the guy is one puff from a year's suspension, why bring him in?


Kinda funny that Ricky has more 20 yard carries this year than Davis does, eh?

MorKnolle
11-29-2005, 09:58 AM
If the Texans picked up Ricky Williams via trade before the draft and then picked their franchise LT in the first round then it would take one or two series to win over the people who think adding him would be a mistake. One 40+ yard touchdown run and the cheers would drown out the complaints.

I'd take Ricky Williams in a heartbeat. The guy may be playing only to pay back the money but Ricky Williams playing to wipe out his debt is about twice the back that Domanick Davis ever will be and can almost single handedly turn a team around.

Maybe two years ago but not anymore. Ricky doesn't have the speed he once did (which wasn't stellar even then) and has lost a lot of his power. I would take Domanick over the current Ricky Williams any day.

MorKnolle
11-29-2005, 10:01 AM
I don't get all this fascination with going out to get a new running back. DD may be our second-best offensive player and he never gets any respect. Sure, he's not Tomlinson, but few backs ever are. You can't hit home runs at every position and Super Bowls have been won with lesser backs than Davis. IMO, Davis would be even more effective than he currently is if the line run blocked a little better (they do well some Sundays and others .... ehhh) and if the team mixed in Wells or Morency more frequently. I see Davis as a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook type of back. And that's pretty good.

There are about nine other positions that need to be addressed on offense before we get to RB.
Dunn is a very small, very quick and fast RB, Westbrook is similar as a good receiver and all, maybe a little faster but much less of a power runner than Domanick. I honestly see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type back without the stellar OL blocking for him, a respectable passing game/play calling to take pressure off him, and a defense that can get off the field and give him the ball back.

Huge
11-29-2005, 10:05 AM
Ricky doesn't come across as the kind of guy that's playing professional football because he wants to.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:08 AM
Maybe two years ago but not anymore. Ricky doesn't have the speed he once did (which wasn't stellar even then) and has lost a lot of his power. I would take Domanick over the current Ricky Williams any day.


Huh?? Have you seen Ricky play this year?? His speed is certainly not an issue, he blew RIGHT past the secondary on Sunday for his TD run. He lost a lot of his power, but he's still harder to bring down than DD. The only thing he lost a great amount of, was vision. That's slowly starting to come back as well. He's had one bad game since his third game and that's against New England, who is..well, I'll just say decent against the run.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:09 AM
Ricky doesn't come across as the kind of guy that's playing professional football because he wants to.

Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 10:13 AM
It must suck totally that someone who to you, is only playing for money, is outperforming our starter. Same amount of touchdowns on 100 less carries. A half yard better per carry. Not to mention he's coming off an 18 month offseason. My oh my, that guy has no heart.

I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.

Your wrong, I dont care if he has 2000 yards and 40 TD's by the end of the season, once hes paid his debt, he's gone. I dont like DD, and yes he would be an upgrade over him. And yes, I have never made a mistaken. HAHA!

eriadoc
11-29-2005, 10:15 AM
Dunn is a very small, very quick and fast RB, Westbrook is similar as a good receiver and all, maybe a little faster but much less of a power runner than Domanick. I honestly see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type back without the stellar OL blocking for him, a respectable passing game/play calling to take pressure off him, and a defense that can get off the field and give him the ball back.

I've actually compared him to Emmitt before as well, in terms of his running style and such, so I agree with that. With my earlier comparison, I was kind of speaking to how this team should really utilize him to his best effectiveness. He should be out there about 70% of the time, not 98% of the time. Westbrook has worked his way into a full-time role, but that is not how the team planned/plans in the future to use him. They've just had bad luck with Buckhalter.

Anyway, just saying, work in our other backs, at least until our offensive line is really a playoff-caliber line. Regardless, as I said before, RB is about the 10th position on offense we need to concern ourselves with.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 10:17 AM
Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?
Dude, you need help. Get out of the cold up there, it's blurring your vision.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:19 AM
Your wrong, I dont care if he has 2000 yards and 40 TD's by the end of the season, once hes paid his debt, he's gone. I dont like DD, and yes he would be an upgrade over him.And yes, I have never made a mistaken. HAHA!

My wrong what?

Once he's paid his debt?? He's making the league minimum with no incentives this season. So YOU are wrong there.

He's 29, he doesnt have a lot of years left in the tank regardless of money.

Your arguement, if one can even call it that, is terribly flawed.

Huge
11-29-2005, 10:21 AM
Curtis Martin has come out openly that he doesnt have a passion for football. How's that workin out for him?
It hasn't seem to hamper Martin's career.

Are we talking about Curtis Martin or Ricky Williams? Or are they both one in the same person?

DRAMA
11-29-2005, 10:24 AM
Would this be a good time to get on my Reggie Bush soapbox? I uhh........

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:27 AM
It hasn't seem to hamper Martin's career.

Are we talking about Curtis Martin or Ricky Williams? Or are they both one in the same person?

Ricky's year off didnt hamper his career either. He made a career choice to take a vacation. If it hampered his career, he wouldnt be playing right now.

You were the one who brought up "passion for football" so the Curtis Martin story is certainly relevant.

Huge
11-29-2005, 10:38 AM
Ricky's year off didnt hamper his career either. He made a career choice to take a vacation. If it hampered his career, he wouldnt be playing right now.

You were the one who brought up "passion for football" so the Curtis Martin story is certainly relevant.
Ricky pre-weed smoking vacation:
1,270 yards per season (90.78 per game), 8.6 TDs per season

Ricky post-weed smoking vacation:
45 yards per game, 2 TDs (thru 7 games)

Nah, hasn't effected his career at all. :ok:

As for Curtis Martin...again, are they one in the same person? Do you really believe that each individual reacts to adversity in the same manner? Martin can be a professional and still get the job done even if he only views it as a job. Ricky left for a year because he decided smoking weed was more important to him than playing football.

But their situations are similar. You betcha.

chuckm
11-29-2005, 10:41 AM
I envy you though, UHC, you've never made a mistake in your life. I must say you are probably one of a kind in my book.

I'm not sure if I have either but I could be mistaken ....

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:48 AM
Ricky pre-weed smoking vacation:
1,270 yards per season (90.78 per game), 8.6 TDs per season

Ricky post-weed smoking vacation:
45 yards per game, 2 TDs (thru 7 games)

Nah, hasn't effected his career at all. :ok:

That could be the worst arguement I've ever read. Awful, wow. I couldnt even continue reading afterwards.

You are aware he's getting fewer than half the carries he got before his year off right?? GEE GOLLY, if you do some simple math with me, you will get it, i promise.

If he's getting HALF the carries and getting 45 yards a game...

Let's see...

45 (yards per game) x 2(twice as many carries!) = 90(yards per game!).

HEY LOOK! He's back at his career average!

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 10:51 AM
My wrong what?

Once he's paid his debt?? He's making the league minimum with no incentives this season. So YOU are wrong there.

He's 29, he doesnt have a lot of years left in the tank regardless of money.

Your arguement, if one can even call it that, is terribly flawed.

Dude, know what you are talking about before you just keep spouting off. Yes, Ricky had to come back or he was going to have to owe the Dolphins a load. If it wasn't for that, he wouldn't be there right now. Heres the link, I don't want to hear anymore Ricky stuff, hes a pot head who got in trouble. He is a cancer, and it is you that is flawed.
http://www.insidesports.org/breaking/5/money-a-big-factor-in-rickys-return.html

chuckm
11-29-2005, 10:53 AM
ding ding ..... round 3 ....

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 10:56 AM
Dude, know what you are talking about before you just keep spouting off. Yes, Ricky had to come back or he was going to have to owe the Dolphins a load. If it wasn't for that, he wouldn't be there right now. Heres the link, I don't want to hear anymore Ricky stuff, hes a pot head who got in trouble. He is a cancer, and it is you that is flawed.
http://www.insidesports.org/breaking/5/money-a-big-factor-in-rickys-return.html

I'm pretty sure that I established he is a "quitter" in my first reply to you. Reading comprehension 101, come on. You are attempting to beat in the same thing, which I said earlier, doesn't make your argument stronger. In fact, it becomes repetitive and useless.

Huge
11-29-2005, 11:05 AM
That could be the worst arguement I've ever read. Awful, wow. I couldnt even continue reading afterwards.

You are aware he's getting fewer than half the carries he got before his year off right?? GEE GOLLY, if you do some simple math with me, you will get it, i promise.

If he's getting HALF the carries and getting 45 yards a game...

Let's see...

45 (yards per game) x 2(twice as many carries!) = 90(yards per game!).

HEY LOOK! He's back at his career average!
Why is he only getting half the carries?

Hopefully you're smarter than what I'll give you credit for and I can assume you know where I'm going with this.

chuckm
11-29-2005, 11:07 AM
after 3 rounds I have it all tied up 28-28 ..... round 2 was a 10 - 8 round, sorry BlackBear ....

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 11:08 AM
Why is he only getting half the carries?

Hopefully you're smarter than what I'll give you credit for and I can assume you know where I'm going with this.

They drafted Ronnie Brown. What's your point? Now they have two players who can rush for 4 YPC consistently. What a bad spot eh?

Huge
11-29-2005, 11:32 AM
They drafted Ronnie Brown. What's your point? Now they have two players who can rush for 4 YPC consistently. What a bad spot eh?
Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.

MorKnolle
11-29-2005, 11:36 AM
I've actually compared him to Emmitt before as well, in terms of his running style and such, so I agree with that. With my earlier comparison, I was kind of speaking to how this team should really utilize him to his best effectiveness. He should be out there about 70% of the time, not 98% of the time. Westbrook has worked his way into a full-time role, but that is not how the team planned/plans in the future to use him. They've just had bad luck with Buckhalter.

Anyway, just saying, work in our other backs, at least until our offensive line is really a playoff-caliber line. Regardless, as I said before, RB is about the 10th position on offense we need to concern ourselves with.

I like the Emmitt camparison and have also used it several times, and I agree with you that Davis should not be out there 98% of the plays and that we should bring in Wells and Morency more. Wells is a nice change of pace, big bruising RB although he doesn't run over people as much as I'd like to see, but the coaches still try to use him in the same plays as Davis, maybe even running him off tackle to the outside more than they do with Davis when they should run Wells inside more. Morency is the same type of back as Davis, a little more straight-line speed, a little less quickness and he still dances around a little too much. They should bring Morency in for 2-4 carries a game in the same plays you'd run with Davis, and give Wells 3-6 carries a game more on short yardage and inside runs.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 11:37 AM
He's not complaining about playtime. He's not in Ronnie Brown's face. He's not going to the media with anything negative. He's not a distraction at all.
This was your first post, and the reason why he is like this is because he has to be there. I just explained that, so your answer to your second question is NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts? Knock Out!!!
Ding! Ding! Ding!!! No more, your done.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.

His career is professional football player. Is he not a professional football player now??? Am I seeing an illusion as I watch Dolphins games or what?

chuckm
11-29-2005, 11:41 AM
This was your first post, and the reason why he is like this is because he has to be there. I just explained that, so your answer to your second question is NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts? Knock Out!!!
Ding! Ding! Ding!!! No more, your done.


nope he's reeling but still upright .... 38-37 ..... ding ding ... round 5

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 11:44 AM
NO, he wont be available because he will quit after he is done owing the Dolphins. Why are you still question the facts?

Facts? So he's already quit?? You live in the future?? I hope in the future, your logic grows with age because its terribly flawed as it is today.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 11:45 AM
I will say this, and I think we agree Blackbear, Dominick Davis is not that stellar and Ricky may produce better numbers than DD if he were on the Texans this season.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Facts? So he's already quit?? You live in the future?? I hope in the future, your logic grows with age because its terribly flawed as it is today.

He quit once, and the only reason he is back is because he owes the Dolphins over $8 Mil, what dont you get about this?

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 11:48 AM
He quit once, and the only reason he is back is because he owes the Dolphins over $8 Mil, what dont you get about this?

Is he or is he not rushing for 4 YPC on a league minimum contract??? Thanks.

Hervoyel
11-29-2005, 11:50 AM
Yeah, I figured I'd give you too much credit.

This is it in a nutshell...

Because of his decision to retire (read: "retire"...not "take a vacation"), he now carries the ball half the number of times before his retirement.

And you feel that his decision has not had an effect on his career? Holy cow.

You are being intentionally obtuse. If I was WildBlackBear32 I'd stop bothering to debate this point with you right there. You're intentionally ignoring anything that doesn't fit your belief or help your argument.

You know as well as he does that this point is not over Ricky Williams number of carries. It's over what he is capable of doing with those carries. So he's getting half of the carries he got before he retired. This has nothing to do with his ability to put up the same numbers he did prior to leaving, only his opportunity to do so.

Also the Dolphins are not running the wheels off of Ricky Williams because they wish to get something for him in return this coming off-season. An injury would hurt their chances of doing so.

Huge
11-29-2005, 12:07 PM
You are being intentionally obtuse. If I was WildBlackBear32 I'd stop bothering to debate this point with you right there. You're intentionally ignoring anything that doesn't fit your belief or help your argument.

You know as well as he does that this point is not over Ricky Williams number of carries. It's over what he is capable of doing with those carries. So he's getting half of the carries he got before he retired. This has nothing to do with his ability to put up the same numbers he did prior to leaving, only his opportunity to do so.

Also the Dolphins are not running the wheels off of Ricky Williams because they wish to get something for him in return this coming off-season. An injury would hurt their chances of doing so.
Wrong, Herv.

"IMO", Wildbear is ignoring the point that Ricky made a decision that affected much more than his number of carries.

To most, it's pretty obvious why he left and why he came back. If you don't think that affects the trust of your teammates, I've got a bridge to sell you. Oh, but they've forgiven him because of his apology...yeah, you bet.

And they're not running his wheels off now because they have another option (Brown). Think Ricky would only be averaging just over 10 attempts per game now when he was averaging almost 23 a game before he left had he never left to begin with?

And unfortunately, it's not as simple as saying he can be productive. Terrell Owens was productive when he played. Do you honestly believe Ricky can be counted on more than him? What has he done since leaving college to make you believe so?

I don't hold anything against Ricky for leaving. In fact, I somewhat supported his decision to do so (look at Earl Campbell's condition now). I might've questioned some of his reasons (wanted to travel the world, smoke some weed and find inner peace) but I don't have a problem with players that hang 'em up early for the sake of whatever.

But count me out on wanting him to play for my team. There are other options that perform on his level that don't have those questions over their heads.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 12:15 PM
Is he or is he not rushing for 4 YPC on a league minimum contract??? Thanks.

I know he is good, he has to be on league minimum because the NFL told him so. The original question in this post was "along with D'Brickashaw, would he help here?" You keep running around that question. He is a ******* quiter!!!!!!!!!! He is a loser!!!!!!!! He ran out on his team!!!
The only reason he is there is because he couldn't find $8 Million to give back to the Dolphins for breech of contract inside some cave in Never Never Land. Once he is done with them, he will be done with the NFL. This is my last post on this topic, obviously you just dont get it and never will. I bet you want TO on this team too.........:loser :deadhorse

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 12:18 PM
Wrong, Herv.

"IMO", Wildbear is ignoring the point that Ricky made a decision that affected much more than his number of carries.

To most, it's pretty obvious why he left and why he came back. If you don't think that affects the trust of your teammates, I've got a bridge to sell you. Oh, but they've forgiven him because of his apology...yeah, you bet.

And they're not running his wheels off now because they have another option (Brown). Think Ricky would only be averaging just over 10 attempts per game now when he was averaging almost 23 a game before he left had he never left to begin with?

And unfortunately, it's not as simple as saying he can be productive. Terrell Owens was productive when he played. Do you honestly believe Ricky can be counted on more than him? What has he done since leaving college to make you believe so?

I don't hold anything against Ricky for leaving. In fact, I somewhat supported his decision to do so (look at Earl Campbell's condition now). I might've questioned some of his reasons (wanted to travel the world, smoke some weed and find inner peace) but I don't have a problem with players that hang 'em up early for the sake of whatever.

But count me out on wanting him to play for my team. There are other options that perform on his level that don't have those questions over their heads.

REGGIE BUSH!!!

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 12:18 PM
And they're not running his wheels off now because they have another option (Brown). Think Ricky would only be averaging just over 10 attempts per game now when he was averaging almost 23 a game before he left had he never left to begin with?

My oh my, you are full of terrible arguements.

If he never left, Brown probably would not have been there. Now that Ricky is back, they are utilizing him to the fullest, while also taking into consideration that they need to give Brown reps. Like I said, the Fins must be truely kicking themselves to have one extremely talented rookie RB and a backup who is making the league minimum and rushing for the same numbers that he did when he was one of the better RBs in the league.

You fail to realize that he didn't ruin his career. Like I said, unless this Ricky Williams is some sort of impersonator, then I'm still seeing Ricky Williams as a professional athlete. Which was his career choice before he took a vacation. It may have affected his salary or the way his peers view him, but it certainly did not ruin his career. His numbers that you pointed out are near identical if not better than his career average if you project them out.

WildBlackBear32
11-29-2005, 12:21 PM
I know he is good, he has to be on league minimum because the NFL told him so. The original question in this post was "along with D'Brickashaw, would he help here?" You keep running around that question. He is a ******* quiter!!!!!!!!!! He is a loser!!!!!!!! He ran out on his team!!!


For the third time...


Hilarious how anyone can call him a cancer. Quitter? Sure. Cancer? Laughable.

Once again, you are just saying the exact same things I already said in my first reply to you.

Huge
11-29-2005, 12:32 PM
My oh my, you are full of terrible arguements.

If he never left, Brown probably would not have been there. Now that Ricky is back, they are utilizing him to the fullest, while also taking into consideration that they need to give Brown reps. Like I said, the Fins must be truely kicking themselves to have one extremely talented rookie RB and a backup who is making the league minimum and rushing for the same numbers that he did when he was one of the better RBs in the league.

You fail to realize that he didn't ruin his career. Like I said, unless this Ricky Williams is some sort of impersonator, then I'm still seeing Ricky Williams as a professional athlete. Which was his career choice before he took a vacation. It may have affected his salary or the way his peers view him, but it certainly did not ruin his career. His numbers that you pointed out are near identical if not better than his career average if you project them out.
If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.

But again, continue to be shortsigted and only think it's about his production.

Texans Horror
11-29-2005, 01:00 PM
Ricky has had problems with the limelight. I think being in a system like Saban's where he is part of the solution, not the fulcrum of it, is good for him. Along those respects, having him in Houston where we already have popular players like Carr and Dre might be ideal for him.

Here's an "ideal" thought :) . We draft Bush, then take Ricky. We now have essentially what the Dolphins have, except we have Dre and Gaffney. If we kept Capers:brickwall, this could be an ideal situation. :jk:

I still don't think Ricky'd work out here...

tulexan
11-29-2005, 03:31 PM
Ricky definately turned the Dolphins around in '04.

You could wait a long time for that 40 yard run. Ricky has 3 of them for his career and sports a whopping 4.0 ypc average (same as Davis) over 6 seasons. Williams is not a breakaway runner, and he's not a workhorse anymore since dropping 20 lbs. The myth that Ricky Williams is a special back is just that. And once you consider that the guy is one puff from a year's suspension, why bring him in?


I don't know where you got that he only has three 40 yard runs in his career. In 2001 he had a 46 yard run. In 2002 he had runs of 53, 55, and 63. In 2003 he had a 45 yard run. He has also had 4 other games where he had at least one 30 yard run. Next time you use statistics, please double check your numbers.

Lucky
11-29-2005, 04:09 PM
I don't know where you got that he only has three 40 yard runs in his career. In 2001 he had a 46 yard run. In 2002 he had runs of 53, 55, and 63. In 2003 he had a 45 yard run. He has also had 4 other games where he had at least one 30 yard run. Next time you use statistics, please double check your numbers.
You're right, Ricky has (5) 40+ yard runs in his career, rather than 3. That's still less than 1 per season. Again, not a breakaway back.

Ricky (24) 20+ yard runs in 77 games = (1) 20+ yard run every 3.2 games
DD (11) 20+ yard runs in 38 games = (1) 20+ yard run every 3.4 games

I would never classify Davis as a breakaway back capable of ripping off long runs on a regular basis. No one should paint Williams with that brush, either.

rmartin65
11-29-2005, 04:59 PM
Ricky is a better back than DD. Nothing else can be said.