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Tenacious G
11-28-2005, 05:44 PM
I think it's safe to assume Capers and his staff are gone as soon as the regular season is done. I also would hope Casserly joins that carpool.

Of all the names being tossed around as a possible replacement, does anyone else feel Denver's offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak is the right choice?

He's a local guy (St. Pius HS, Texas A&M) and a proven winner. Although he's been involved in the Denver organization for such a long time, I think he's definitely a top candidate for a head coaching position. I'd have to think the Texans (if he doesn't feel they're beyond salvagable) would be on the top of his list.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 06:02 PM
Blood in the water. Looks like the local Kubiak machine is about to rev up. No disrespect TG, I like Kubiak. Just find waves of conversation and their timing interesting.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 06:28 PM
I would like for this guy to coach here.

TexanFanInDenver
11-28-2005, 06:52 PM
He would be a great coach here. Someone who has learned from John Elway, coached Steve Young, and molded Plummer could surely fix Carr. His offensive plays are simply genius. I wonder if he would come back to houston with his son playing at CSU?

Texas_Thrill
11-28-2005, 07:14 PM
I'd have to know what Defensive scheme he'd want to run and who he'd want as a coordinator first.

Goldeagle
11-28-2005, 07:52 PM
Kubiak would make a great choice. He is good enough for John Elway to listen to, he is good enough for our team.

WaylonJennings67
11-28-2005, 08:15 PM
That'd be a good start.

angeltexus
11-28-2005, 10:36 PM
Guys, Guys, what in the world have yall seen Kubiak do in his lifetime. Elway was great way before Gary was in the picture. Did you not see how Denver had no great offense for Dallas on Thanksgiving other than a lucky run. Any coach that can barely ( with luck) beat the Cowboys can not hold any reigns here in Texan Country.. Sorry don't hate, but we don't need another project coach.

COOL V
11-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Bring in Jimmy Johnson, now that guy shows some emotion and wins.

cadahnic
11-28-2005, 10:44 PM
Kubiak has 3 superbowl rings, two with Denver one with SF. He has been around and learned from some of the greatest offensive minds in the game. He has coached some of the best QBs ever and all they say about him is he puts you in a posistion to succeed. Kubiak, B. Shottenheimer, Dennison, Hoke or agressive young DC, Marciano.

CajunTexan
11-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Kubiak has 3 superbowl rings, two with Denver one with SF. He has been around and learned from some of the greatest offensive minds in the game. He has coached some of the best QBs ever and all they say about him is he puts you in a posistion to succeed. Kubiak, B. Shottenheimer, Dennison, Hoke or agressive young DC, Marciano.

All good points about Kubiak. My only question is why hasn't someone given him a chance already? Does the leaque know something we don't?

Napa Auto Parts
11-28-2005, 11:06 PM
Kubiak Or Cameron would be good picks for this franchise

Jagsman28
11-28-2005, 11:30 PM
What about the Mooch? He did wonders for the 49ers, he could possibly be a good fit for the texans..

Glad we have JDR. Hes turned our pretty well :thumbup

Corrosion
11-29-2005, 02:28 AM
I know Gary Kubiak personally , he's my stepdad's cousin , they pretty much grew up together and he visits them often in the offseason .

The conversation about coaching the Texans HAS come up in our conversations and he would definately CONSIDER the job (this was prior to this season) .

That being said I think he would be one of the top prospects for the position . Main reason being he's familiar with the type of blocking scheme the Texans have run the past two seasons . That would be a huge plus for the O-line to be able to run the same basic scheme .... not changing a whole lot of their responsibilities up front .

Another reason ... Look at what he's done with Jake Plummer over the past three seasons in Denver compared to those years he spent in Arizona .
His Average QB rating over the past three seasons is 89.4 compared to 68.366 in his 6 seasons w/ the Cardinals .

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1003 Plumber

Those numbers are a pretty drastic difference .... He quite possibly could turn Carr's numbers around . (73.9 for his career including what APPEARS to be a respectable 79.9 on paper for this season )

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268 Carr

He's a QB by trade , he understands the importance of pass protection and how it can affect his QB . As well as the running game in the grand scheme of things . I seriously doubt the offense would be .... could be nearly as stagnant as it is under Dom Capers .

It could be a nice story , something along the lines of Garner taking over the Astro's and taking them to the doorstep of a champoinship the past two years . Hometown Hero so to speak ....

There are huge questionmarks behind Kubiak becoming a head coach .... How would he handle the responsibility of being a head coach ?..... Would he hold his players accountable ?.....How would he handle the defensive side of things ? .... Can he motivate them to play their best ?

(I posted something along the lines of this back in pre-season and the thread was deleted , not sure why but never bothered to re-post it until it was brought up again) ((Maybe Dom is a MOD ?!?! :tomato: ))

Kaiser Toro
11-29-2005, 03:07 AM
I think it would be a blunderto bring in a head coach just for the sake of turing around one person's career. I saw more talent in Plummer as a Cardinal than I see with Carr as a Texan.

Scooter
11-29-2005, 06:30 AM
if by one person you mean carr, i think you've conveniently forgotten denver's turnstyle at RB. apparently he's figured something out because whoever gets behind his front 5 do very well for themselves. i'm all for kubiak being in charge, and if john lynch says "he can bring the hammer" on those not performing, that's good enough for me.


"Does Gary Kubiak deserve a head coaching job in the NFL?" CBS analyst Phil Simms asks. "My God, yes".

"Where's the outcry? Gary doesn't seek publicity. He's quietly done a great job."

He can bring that most elusive quality of offensive balance to places in dire need such as Houston and St. Louis.

Kubiak turned down the University of Colorado head coaching job during Denver's late 1990s run to two Super Bowls because he didn't want the program to have to wait on a coach who's commitment to his team wouldn't be over until February.

"Gary's been mentioned for a handful of jobs over the last few years," Titans general manager Floyd Reese says. "He's done such a great job with a great organization working under Mike, a great mentor, he didn't feel the need to take the first thing that came along.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/columnist/2005-11-23-corbett_x.htm

mancunian
11-29-2005, 07:05 AM
I think it's safe to assume Capers and his staff are gone as soon as the regular season is done. I also would hope Casserly joins that carpool.

Of all the names being tossed around as a possible replacement, does anyone else feel Denver's offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak is the right choice?

He's a local guy (St. Pius HS, Texas A&M) and a proven winner. Although he's been involved in the Denver organization for such a long time, I think he's definitely a top candidate for a head coaching position. I'd have to think the Texans (if he doesn't feel they're beyond salvagable) would be on the top of his list.

I like the guy - he knows how to put an O line together as well which will get the best from both Carr and DD.

aj.
11-29-2005, 07:23 AM
I'm skeptical about him because you never know how a relative 'behind the scenes' guy is going to perform when thrust into the spotlight. When you reach that level, personality and leadership style become very important. Not every Lieutenant is fit to be a General, no matter how talented they are.

Kubiak interviewed for the Texans head coaching position in 2001.

mancunian
11-29-2005, 07:29 AM
I'm skeptical about him because you never know how a relative 'behind the scenes' guy is going to perform when thrust into the spotlight. When you reach that level, personality and leadership style become very important. Not every Lieutenant is fit to be a General, no matter how talented they are.

Kubiak interviewed for the Texans head coaching position in 2001.

I guess they went with Capers because of his experience in coaching an expansion franchise.
He'd learnt from his mistakes with the Panthers and I belive up until the end of year 3 everything was going to plan. (Except against the Browns!!)

NativeJPR
11-29-2005, 07:31 AM
You won't get any arguement out of me, I like it.:yahoo:

abbest
11-29-2005, 07:44 AM
I'm skeptical about him because you never know how a relative 'behind the scenes' guy is going to perform when thrust into the spotlight. When you reach that level, personality and leadership style become very important. Not every Lieutenant is fit to be a General, no matter how talented they are.

Kubiak interviewed for the Texans head coaching position in 2001.
Kubiak would be better than the Herman Munster/Grandpa staff we have now

Corrosion
11-29-2005, 10:29 AM
I think it would be a blunder to bring in a head coach just for the sake of turing around one person's career. I saw more talent in Plummer as a Cardinal than I see with Carr as a Texan.

:penalty:

I think this is a classic case of .... You read what You wanted to , not what was Written .

Otherwise you would have seen that the MAIN reason for Kubiak to get the job is the O-LINE and their ability to run the same basic system . Its pretty important for them to have stability up front be it in personel or scheme .


Working with Carr would be a SECONDARY benifit . If working with Carr was the PRIMARY reason for bringing the guy in ... why not just make him OC or QB coach instead of HC ?

Look at the Denver running game ..... what other offensive coordinator can plug in just about any average back from no where and make them a 1000 yard rusher ? None of those guy's is a superstar back yet they all get the job done .


While on the subject OF Carr .... He and Plumber have similar strengths ....Kubiaks play calling tends to play to the strengths of his QB .

I'm skeptical about him because you never know how a relative 'behind the scenes' guy is going to perform when thrust into the spotlight. When you reach that level, personality and leadership style become very important. Not every Lieutenant is fit to be a General, no matter how talented they are.

Kubiak interviewed for the Texans head coaching position in 2001.


Just about the same way I feel .... Same questions raised as above ..

Thing is these are questions you will never answer until the guy in question is given a shot . Is Kubiak THE MAN for the job ? Who knows ....but he HAS to be better than what we have in Dom Capers . :brickwall

Porky
11-29-2005, 12:26 PM
I am cool with Kubiak. How about Mike Singletary? I haven't heard much in the way of rumblings about him, but I loved the way he played the game, and I think he is moving up the coaching ranks. If nothing else, Kubiak as HC, and Singletary as DC. :texflag:

TheOgre
11-29-2005, 12:46 PM
I wanted Kubiak to be our first HC. I would definitely like to see if he could come in and re-form Carr into a good QB.

HardKnockTexan
11-29-2005, 12:52 PM
I am cool with Kubiak. How about Mike Singletary? I haven't heard much in the way of rumblings about him, but I loved the way he played the game, and I think he is moving up the coaching ranks. If nothing else, Kubiak as HC, and Singletary as DC. :texflag:

Thats what I have working for me on my Madden '06 game and my Texans are tops of the AFC! :texflag:

I'll take my Texans' wins anyway I can get them now.

El Tejano
11-29-2005, 02:11 PM
Well once again I believe we have to beat the Lions to the punch. Kubiak could do good things on that team also. I mean that team is loaded on offense and needs the right coach for the job. I do like the idea of getting him and the benefits but I would like to know what Dcoordinators would be around for him to choose from.

Texas
11-29-2005, 02:17 PM
He would be a decent addition. But there are a few other options out there we could concider. I'd put him on our top 5 list however!

the wonger need food
11-29-2005, 03:33 PM
He's not a fit for this system.

jaayteetx
11-29-2005, 03:43 PM
How about Kubiak as HC and JJ as GM? I'm dreaming here, I'm guessing.

Corrosion
11-29-2005, 04:25 PM
He's not a fit for this system.

What system ?
Isnt the system usually installed by the Head Coach or am I missing the implied sarcasm in your post ?



I am cool with Kubiak. How about Mike Singletary? I haven't heard much in the way of rumblings about him, but I loved the way he played the game, and I think he is moving up the coaching ranks. If nothing else, Kubiak as HC, and Singletary as DC. :texflag:

How about Kubiak as HC and JJ as GM? I'm dreaming here, I'm guessing.

I like both idea's , How about we pick up all three .... JJ for GM , Kubiak for HC and Singletary for DC ? :texflag:

the wonger need food
11-29-2005, 04:45 PM
What system ?
Isnt the system usually installed by the Head Coach or am I missing the implied sarcasm in your post ?

Yep, you missed it.

Tenacious G
11-29-2005, 04:50 PM
yeah, the fact he's not been a head coach yet crossed my mind.

but as i understand it, it's because he's turned down the offers, not the other way around. maybe he feels comfortable enough in denver that he can be picky about what head coaching position he ends up taking.

if that's the case, are the texans so far from being competitive that he'd rather remain in denver than come to houston to rebuild?

all speculation, of course. the end of the season can't come soon enough.

touttail
11-29-2005, 05:14 PM
I stated a while ago that I would like to see Gary come to coach the Texans!:texflag: :texans: :texflag:

bobby 119C:brickwall

Double Barrel
11-29-2005, 05:16 PM
I am cool with Kubiak. How about Mike Singletary? I haven't heard much in the way of rumblings about him, but I loved the way he played the game, and I think he is moving up the coaching ranks. If nothing else, Kubiak as HC, and Singletary as DC. :texflag:

Sounds good to me! Coaches with NFL Championship rings are always a good thing to inspire a team. They've been there before and know what it takes to do it right. :ok:

Snapple
11-29-2005, 10:50 PM
You know...

Ever since Kubiak went to Denver, they basically have had one of the most elite offensive lines for the better part of the last decade. If he could give us a little bit of that kind of magic, he'd be my first choice. Shoot.

HJam72
11-29-2005, 10:54 PM
He'd probably come here and say, "Well....we're gonna have to drop the zone-blocking, because we just don't have the right players for that. Sorry."

:rolleyes:

J-Storm
11-30-2005, 06:50 AM
I say give the guy a chance if we can. Why not, what's to lose (apart from this week's game against the Ravens :crying: ) by bringing him in. We are going to have this same discussion about any coach we want to come in as we won't have immediate success. But waht's really better, slow success or instant failure like we have currently?

I really don't want to see us in this frame of mind this time next season waiting for the whole thing to end. I want to be able to say to ppl, "You know what, we actually progressed again after our horrendous season last yr! Now I'm looking forward to playoffs :drool:". Maybe Kubiak can give us that, won't know if we don't try though...

Ihategeeks
11-30-2005, 07:50 AM
My top 5 Coaches

1. Sean Payton
2. Gary Kubiack
3. Greg Williams
4. Russ Grimm
5. Kirk Frentz

Kaiser Toro
11-30-2005, 08:02 AM
My top 5 Coaches

1. Sean Payton
2. Gary Kubiack
3. Greg Williams
4. Russ Grimm
5. Kirk Frentz

No to Payton, anybody but Payton. Do not want any Parcell's folks coming to Houston.

thunderkyss
11-30-2005, 09:48 AM
I'd have to know what Defensive scheme he'd want to run and who he'd want as a coordinator first.


What kind of defensive scheme have you got in mind??


Personally, I like Kubiak......may be the next Gruden.

Texans_Chick
11-30-2005, 10:22 AM
I think anybody who comes in could do a good job. But I think it's going to be slow. It's going to take time for Carr to trust whatever o-line he's going to be playing behind next year. Also, Carr is going to have to buy into the system. It took Plummer 2 years to buy into the system. He had 20+ TDs, but also had 20+ INTs. The reason why Denver has been so good is that they've had a solid defense to win those close games (ie...our last game against STL).

Getting a new coach is a weird thing for a club because there are so many ways to go.

There are examples of successful guys coming from college and unsuccessful ones.

There are examples of NFL coordinators doing well with their first head coaching job and doing poorly.

There are examples of getting established coaches out of retirement and doing well, and some really bad situations coming from that.

There are examples of getting someone who has been fired from a head coaching job, having success at their next job and not so much so.


It ain't gonna be easy for anyone we get, which might reduce the number of coaches who might be interested in the position. Personally, given the makeup of our team (its inexperience and lack of tradition and history of winning), I think we need someone who is an experienced successful NFL head coach--someone that the players can learn how to win with and can trust that if they do what this person says, they will win. Someone with a big personality to persuade free agents to come to Houston. Someone will give hope to people who are considering purchasing tickets for next year.

JJ meets that criteria but if I were JJ, I would prolly not want to do it. He is going to have to weigh wheelbarrows full of cash v. a lifestyle of normal hours, doing media only when he wants to, legacy stuff, fishing and being with family etc.

It is funny how many first time head coaches that various Houston teams have had--I think the Chronic did an article about how Bags and Biggio went through a number of first time managers until they had the Jimy experiment. There is learning involved with first time coaches/managers, but sometimes will and skill can overcome that.

It would be really weird rooting for a JJ coached team--it would take a lot of time to wrap my mind around that.

Hardcore Texan
11-30-2005, 12:14 PM
I am all for bringing in Kubiak. We have to do something to stop the bleeding. We need a coach with some imagination on offense! And a much stronger D (Which is all we have been drafting for, where's the payoff). If we don't make vast improvements this offseason, we will be at the bottom of the AFC South until the "Manning Era" is over and Jack Del Rio needs hair plugs.

The Colts and Jags will continue to do well, and the Titans are rebuilding this year, they won't be down for long.

We need to draft better, and develope our players! Mix-in some quality FA's and we might just get better. Casserly should be let go too, but I bet it doesn't happen, he will probably get a stay of execution for at least another year. Although he should be just as accountable. :tomato:

NFLforher
11-30-2005, 01:45 PM
I think it's safe to assume Capers and his staff are gone as soon as the regular season is done. I also would hope Casserly joins that carpool.

Of all the names being tossed around as a possible replacement, does anyone else feel Denver's offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak is the right choice?

He's a local guy (St. Pius HS, Texas A&M) and a proven winner. Although he's been involved in the Denver organization for such a long time, I think he's definitely a top candidate for a head coaching position. I'd have to think the Texans (if he doesn't feel they're beyond salvagable) would be on the top of his list.


He'd be great!