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HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 12:23 PM
No matter what the Texans do in the draft next year, no one here is going to be 100% happy about it. Some say take Leinart, Bush, Young, D'Brick, and on and on.

But it's simply not our choice to make, but we can sure argue about it till it happens...

I vote for Mel Kiper for GM, LOL........ Best evaluation of talent I have ever seen....

TheOgre
11-28-2005, 01:19 PM
The disagreements are what makes it interesting.

Vinny
11-28-2005, 01:50 PM
I vote for Mel Kiper for GM, LOL........ Best evaluation of talent I have ever seen....Kiper admits he isn't a talent evaluator...he just has great contacts and passes on good information.

TexanAlmighty
11-28-2005, 01:52 PM
Kiper is very knowledgable and one of the reasons I like watching the NFL Draft. How far away is that again?? lol


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uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 02:43 PM
I think we take the best player possible wether it is a QB, RB, OL, LB, CB, or whatever with a new general manager.

But, yes, If I were the GM I would take Bush with the first pick in the draft, no matter what team I was in charge of.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 02:48 PM
I think we take the best player possible wether it is a QB, RB, OL, LB, CB, or whatever with a new general manager.

But, yes, If I were the GM I would take Bush with the first pick in the draft, no matter what team I was in charge of.

So you will have #1 money at QB (DC) and RB (Bush) and #3 money with a WR (AJ) on your team knowing full well that either our line, QB, or WR do not mesh with another. Moreover, we do have issues on D. Are you running to be mayor of salary cap hell?

HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 02:59 PM
So you will have #1 money at QB (DC) and RB (Bush) and #3 money with a WR (AJ) on your team knowing full well that either our line, QB, or WR do not mesh with another. Moreover, we do have issues on D. Are you running to be mayor of salary cap hell?
This is only your opinion. I have watched the Texans every single game they have ever played and the o-line is getting better and better. We need a RB that can take the heat off of the QB period. DD is NOT that guy and never will be. :fishing:

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 03:02 PM
This is only your opinion. I have watched the Texans every single game they have ever played and the o-line is getting better and better. We need a RB that can take the heat off of the QB period. DD is NOT that guy and never will be. :fishing:

Yeah DD is not an explosive back but he is a good value. He has run for 1000 yard seasons and caught a lot of passeswith either a bad QB, bad line or bad WR's. The net of it is that he has done this when the opponent's defense has been able to put 8 in the box.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 03:17 PM
Yeah DD is not an explosive back but he is a good value. He has run for 1000 yard seasons and caught a lot of passeswith either a bad QB, bad line or bad WR's. The net of it is that he has done this when the opponent's defense has been able to put 8 in the box.

Why cant we trade away Davis if we get Bush?

mj.
11-28-2005, 03:20 PM
Trading (or cutting) DD causes a $8.4M cap charge becuase he got that extension in the offseason.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 03:21 PM
Why cant we trade away Davis if we get Bush?

Technically we could, but if you draft Bush before you trade Davis you are showing your cards and will not get the value that is warranted for Davis.

I just feel that Davis is the least of our issues.

Napa Auto Parts
11-28-2005, 03:41 PM
So you will have #1 money at QB (DC) and RB (Bush) and #3 money with a WR (AJ) on your team knowing full well that either our line, QB, or WR do not mesh with another. Moreover, we do have issues on D. Are you running to be mayor of salary cap hell?




Hopefully we wont have Big money behind Carr hopefully we will let him hit free agency and he will see what he is worth. wich would be about 1 million a year if he gets lucky. and hell for a million i hope we resign him im just not happy with david trying to Steal From the Texans wich is what he would be doing if the texans pick up his BONEUS.:texflag:

MorKnolle
11-28-2005, 04:00 PM
Yeah DD is not an explosive back but he is a good value. He has run for 1000 yard seasons and caught a lot of passeswith either a bad QB, bad line or bad WR's. The net of it is that he has done this when the opponent's defense has been able to put 8 in the box.

Good point. Was Emmitt Smith an explosive RB? No, but look at the numbers he put up behind one of the best offensive lines of all time and with a complete offense and a stellar defense around him. I see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type RB that could put up that kind of production if we built the team better and used him properly.

HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 04:13 PM
Good point. Was Emmitt Smith an explosive RB? No, but look at the numbers he put up behind one of the best offensive lines of all time and with a complete offense and a stellar defense around him. I see Davis as an Emmitt Smith-type RB that could put up that kind of production if we built the team better and used him properly.
Never in a hundred years. Let's see. Against a Rams D that is one of the worst in the league, he had something like 15 carries for only 44 yds if I remember correctly. I was at the game and not watching TV, so i am not sure. But he is a backup RB at best...

And please, don't compare DD to E Smith...... Give me a break...

infantrycak
11-28-2005, 04:18 PM
This is only your opinion. I have watched the Texans every single game they have ever played and the o-line is getting better and better.

At what? The Texans this last game just barely started peeking out from the turtle shell of a pee-wee league drop and throw offense they have been trying to run in order to get to a non-laughingstock level at pass protection. In the mean time the run blocking is now significantly below par. This is somewhat understandable with all the changes to the OL, but nonetheless, the run blocking is bad.

Disclaimer--recognition that the Texans' OL still sucks is not the same thing is saying Carr or DD are steller, good, average, mediocre or anything else. It is a comment about the OL.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 04:19 PM
Never in a hundred years. Let's see. Against a Rams D that is one of the worst in the league, he had something like 15 carries for only 44 yds if I remember correctly. I was at the game and not watching TV, so i am not sure. But he is a backup RB at best...

And please, don't compare DD to E Smith...... Give me a break...

Well he did score a TD off a pass yesterday. He did win a Rookie of the Year award. He has rushed over 1,000 yards in his first two seasons. You know what, you are right this kid cannot play at all.

infantrycak
11-28-2005, 04:22 PM
Trading (or cutting) DD causes a $8.4M cap charge becuase he got that extension in the offseason.

Where do you get that number? DD's contract was 5 years with a signing bonus that comes to $1.1 mil per year. Cutting or trading him after the season will have about a $4.4 mil hit.

Peldon
11-28-2005, 04:27 PM
Never in a hundred years. Let's see. Against a Rams D that is one of the worst in the league, he had something like 15 carries for only 44 yds if I remember correctly. I was at the game and not watching TV, so i am not sure. But he is a backup RB at best...

And please, don't compare DD to E Smith...... Give me a break...

Yeah he was running against a bad Rams defense, but look at our offense. Give Davis the Dallas offensive line of old and he would be a heck of a lot better. Davis could start for about half the teams in the league. Not that he would, but he could if those teams didn't have their current back.

Also, I don't think he was comparing their abilities, just the fact that they have similar (not the same but similar) running styles. Even if he did compare them how can you get upset about that and not about comparing Bush to Sanders. Seeing as how we have no idea how well Bush will do in the NFL I think Davis/Smith is actually easier to accept.

That said I think we can fill more holes if we trade down but I won't be upset if we do end up drafting Bush. There is no doubt he is a playmaker and would help this team in one way or another.

Peldon
11-28-2005, 04:29 PM
Where do you get that number? DD's contract was 5 years with a signing bonus that comes to $1.1 mil per year. Cutting or trading him after the season will have about a $4.4 mil hit.

That could still hurt if we end up having to pay a hefty contract to the first overall pick.

HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 04:50 PM
Let's look at it a different way then, shall we?

Year before the 3 top picks in the draft were E Manning, P Rivers, and a stud tackle named R Gallery. Now the team that wanted Eli so bad, they gave up another 1 st round pick to get him. The team that took the tackle over him, is having a losing season. That will be us next year if we do the crazy...

1 O-Linemen is not gonna make or break us with the draft this year being so deep. All we need to do is keep our wits about us, draft smart this year and the years coming, I have always said it, offense wins games. defense just keeps em close. If 1 o-linemen could do that, then right now Oakland would be making a serious run at the playoffs, instead they are just trying to beat lousy teams... Nuff said...

Another example'

Take the pro bowl where the best of the best play. Can you tell me that the best linemen in the business are so jelled togeather in only 1 game that no one could beat them? No way. It takes time for a line to come into it's own. Ours is slowly but surely getting there. I think that with the right coaching and play calling, we will and do have a good line. I still blame the coaches and not the players.....

run-david-run
11-28-2005, 04:52 PM
No matter what the Texans do in the draft next year, no one here is going to be 100% happy about it. Some say take Leinart, Bush, Young, D'Brick, and on and on.

But it's simply not our choice to make, but we can sure argue about it till it happens...

I vote for Mel Kiper for GM, LOL........ Best evaluation of talent I have ever seen....
He had Mike Williams as the best player in last year's draft. How's that turning out so far?

mj.
11-28-2005, 04:57 PM
I was using this spreadsheet from houstonprofootball.com.
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2006.html

It shows a $2.1M bonus allocation. Multiply that by the four years remaining and I got $8.4M.

However, you got me thinking that sheet's numbers might not be right since his extension was reported to have $5M bonus.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 05:00 PM
Technically we could, but if you draft Bush before you trade Davis you are showing your cards and will not get the value that is warranted for Davis.

I just feel that Davis is the least of our issues.

I know Cap problems were the reason why sharper and glenn had to go, IMO i think signing davis to a huge contract then drafting a RB w/ our second pick was completely stupid when there were other needs.

But how do you pass on Bush?

infantrycak
11-28-2005, 05:07 PM
I was using this spreadsheet from houstonprofootball.com.
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2006.html

It shows a $2.1M bonus allocation. Multiply that by the four years remaining and I got $8.4M.

However, you got me thinking that sheet's numbers might not be right since his extension was reported to have $5M bonus.

It is a timing ambiguity. DD received a $5 mil signing bonus. After next season he is due another $3 mil bonus which will raise the bonus allocation for the last 4 years of the deal. He could be cut right not or up til the payment of the next bonus and only the remainder of the $5 mil would have to be accounted for.

run-david-run
11-28-2005, 05:20 PM
There are a couple drifferant scenarios possible. Assuming we have the top or 1-3 picks, (a pretty safe assumption) we could either go with D'Brick/Winston, try and solve our line probelms and put the RB position firmly in the capable hands of DD. We could also go with drafting Bush the first round (we would not be able to trade down) and then try to get Jonathan Scott from UT to play LT. I think that both of these options are acceptable, but drafting Bush would make the Mornecy pick compleatly usesless, put us in cap hell with two RB's with long-term contracts and leave us with two versatile backs that have not proven they can last a season...

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 05:26 PM
There are a couple drifferant scenarios possible. Assuming we have the top or 1-3 picks, (a pretty safe assumption) we could either go with D'Brick/Winston, try and solve our line probelms and put the RB position firmly in the capable hands of DD. We could also go with drafting Bush the first round (we would not be able to trade down) and then try to get Jonathan Scott from UT to play LT. I think that both of these options are acceptable, but drafting Bush would make the Mornecy pick compleatly usesless, put us in cap hell with two RB's with long-term contracts and leave us with two versatile backs that have not proven they can last a season...

I agree completely, I believe Casserly ruined this team, and it will take alot to get it out of this hole we are in.

gg no re
11-28-2005, 05:42 PM
Year before the 3 top picks in the draft were E Manning, P Rivers, and a stud tackle named R Gallery. Now the team that wanted Eli so bad, they gave up another 1 st round pick to get him. The team that took the tackle over him, is having a losing season. That will be us next year if we do the crazy...A few things to point out:

1) Oakland Raiders play in the AFC West, where competition is always fierce
2) Kerry Collins is the QB. Losing is given.
3) Norv Turner and the Raider staff are not good coaches.
4) The Giants play in the NFC. En-Eff-See.

Take the pro bowl where the best of the best play. Can you tell me that the best linemen in the business are so jelled togeather in only 1 game that no one could beat them? No way. It takes time for a line to come into it's own. Ours is slowly but surely getting there. I think that with the right coaching and play calling, we will and do have a good line. I still blame the coaches and not the players.....The Pro Bowl is a laugh off. There's nothing to gain, and everyone's out there for fun. Bad use of example [although a good try].