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gtexan02
11-28-2005, 01:59 AM
From ESPN.Com:

8. The "C-Amigos" -- Carr, Capers and Casserly -- all must go in Houston.

You can't really single out one guy for what's wrong in Houston. Quarterback David Carr still makes rookie decisions. Head coach Dom Capers still lacks offensive imagination. And general manager Charley Casserly has to be held responsible for assembling a horrid collection of talent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/051123

Finally, national coverage is to our advantage!

Napa Auto Parts
11-28-2005, 11:18 AM
The C-amigos that is classic we reffer to them as the three stooges but i like C-amigos either way about some nationally pointed it out.

Double Barrel
11-28-2005, 11:25 AM
I thought Carr looked pretty good yesterday. He finally took advantage of the offensive line that has been improving over the last few games, which is a big plus. You can't take away the fact that the offense put enough points on the board to win a game.

Keep Carr and get a new front office and coaching staff. I'm indifferent about Casserly, but Capers has to go.

cadahnic
11-28-2005, 11:26 AM
I agree that Capers and Casserly must go, but there is no QB in this years draft that will be as good as Carr. I am a supporter of him, but if he cannot get it done with a good coach like Kubiak then he should be dropped. We will see at the end of the season.

thunderkyss
11-28-2005, 11:36 AM
As long as David is willing to take the beating, I think it's a waste of time to get another QB 'till we improve the O-Line.

Who'd want the job anyway?? Quincy Carter??

Htown34s
11-28-2005, 11:37 AM
As long as David is willing to take the beating, I think it's a waste of time to get another QB 'till we improve the O-Line.

Who'd want the job anyway?? Quincy Carter??

Very good point!

Napa Auto Parts
11-28-2005, 11:41 AM
that is true carr looked good yesterday but the 7th rounder from harvard look better than him what thats that mean. when a 7th rounder looks better than the 1st overall of 2002:homer:

BaLou
11-28-2005, 11:57 AM
We need a head coaching change and an O-Line in place for next season. If there is no improvement, then work on getting getting the skill positions that we need. We really need to work on the fundemental aspects of the game first.

:texflag:

Keyser Soze
11-28-2005, 12:07 PM
Carr isn't the greatest, but seriously take a look around the league. There are a LOT of teams that are struggling with their QBs. I say keep him (almost can't believe I typed that) and get serious about fixing what MUST be fixed - the O-line and the entire D.

I'll agree C-dos adios. Casserly and Capers. Not bad guys, just not getting the job done.

billtxus
11-28-2005, 12:37 PM
I agree, Carr isn't the biggest problem by far. This team has a long way to go to be a contender, and no reason Carr can't take the snaps in the meantime. Worrying about the QB is just a distaction when both lines are not functioning. Look at the Bears, they have won seven straight with a rookie, because they have a great defensive line and a decent offensive line. Don't need an all-star at QB to win, Baltimore proved that with Dilfer a few years ago. Get some better linemen, and better coaches.

Double Barrel
11-28-2005, 12:44 PM
that is true carr looked good yesterday but the 7th rounder from harvard look better than him what thats that mean. when a 7th rounder looks better than the 1st overall of 2002:homer:

It means that our DEFENSE is much, much worse than the Rams defense.

Watch, next week a real NFL defense will welcome the Havard rookie to the league and then he'll truly have his test of fire. It'll be like Losman - looks great against us, but gets creamed by any other defensive unit in the league.

Nothing can be evaluated from yesterday's performance other than the fact that our defensive unit sucks and is a complete joke (without a punchline).

Vinny
11-28-2005, 12:58 PM
It means that our DEFENSE is much, much worse than the Rams defense.

Statistics prove you wrong Daniel san. We are pretty close to the same.:ok:

Double Barrel
11-28-2005, 01:32 PM
Statistics prove you wrong Daniel san. We are pretty close to the same.:ok:

Perhaps cold hard statistics, sensei, but how many times has the Rams D given up a 21 point lead in the second half...much less 10 points in 34 seconds? :howdy:

BTW, where is a good source of finding offensive and defensive unit rankings? I've been hearing that the Texans D are almost last in every category, and no higher than 31st in any one of them. I'd always like to verify this information with a good source, even when coming from Charlie Palilo.

I'm still having a hard time believing it was the rookie's FIRST NFL experience. Man...what a first game! :brickwall

WWJD
11-28-2005, 01:35 PM
The Rams have all world receivers. That made his job somewhat easier. But he looked very poised and good for a rookie.

Next time he plays he might have had more time to think about it and be more rattled.

F-minus67
11-28-2005, 01:36 PM
Fitzpatrick also has a solid running game, a few great recievers and a offensive line that has two former all pros. So, he might have a little more talent on offense than Carr has.

OzzO
11-28-2005, 01:39 PM
We're 24th in passing defense, 32nd in rushing defense, 30th overall. (StL is 31st and 27th respectively and 29th overall)

nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats)

As for the original post, my preference would be Capers, Casserly, then Carr.... and not all need to leave at the same time if they want to "execute" in baby steps to see if there is an ultimate endpoint to solve a majority of the team's issues.

abbest
11-28-2005, 01:43 PM
Who was the last no# 1 overall draft pick QB to win the SuperBowl. John Elway i believe. David Carr will never be mentioned in the same breath as Elway. Joe Montana was a third rounder. Carr is a lemon and the rest of the NFL is driving him to the junker.

illspawn
11-28-2005, 01:49 PM
I thought Carr looked pretty good yesterday. He finally took advantage of the offensive line that has been improving over the last few games, which is a big plus. You can't take away the fact that the offense put enough points on the board to win a game.

Keep Carr and get a new front office and coaching staff. I'm indifferent about Casserly, but Capers has to go.


I agree David looked very good and so did the offensive line. For once the offensive line should get a big pat on the back. That is one thing in the game I am happy about. In all honesty I am pretty happy with the whole offense this game, hell even Bradford was catching the ball. The only thing I saw mistake wise on the receivers was in the time they should be running the clock out they were going out of bounds. It would have only taken a few less seconds off the clock and the game would have been won. The going out of bounds could be habit of being behind during the 4th quarter and forgot to not stop the clock. Even with that if the defense would have done better then we would have won, but the defensive front looked good.

Capers needs to go as well.

Thanks guys for making it an interesting game at least.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 02:11 PM
I agree that Capers and Casserly must go, but there is no QB in this years draft that will be as good as Carr. I am a supporter of him, but if he cannot get it done with a good coach like Kubiak then he should be dropped. We will see at the end of the season.

Have you ever heard of some guy by the name of Matt Leinart?

Vinny
11-28-2005, 02:20 PM
Perhaps cold hard statistics, sensei, but how many times has the Rams D given up a 21 point lead in the second half...much less 10 points in 34 seconds? :howdy:

BTW, where is a good source of finding offensive and defensive unit rankings? I've been hearing that the Texans D are almost last in every category, and no higher than 31st in any one of them. I'd always like to verify this information with a good source, even when coming from Charlie Palilo.

I'm still having a hard time believing it was the rookie's FIRST NFL experience. Man...what a first game! :brickwallPoints given up - Rams 327 @ 376.6 yards per game and the Texans 325 @ 382.9 ypg.

Rams have a worse passing defense (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular), and if you toggle run defense we give up 4.8 ypc per rushing attempt while they give up 4.5. We both have awful defenses. We both had the ball in the OT...but only one offense could beat a bad defense when it counted.

abbest
11-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Have you ever heard of some guy by the name of Matt Leinart?Or Vince Young, David Carr will never generate excitement or have fans on their feet such as Vince Young will in 2007 because he stay in schoolknowing the Texans have the first pick. Just dreaming there.

eriadoc
11-28-2005, 02:31 PM
Points given up - Rams 327 @ 376.6 yards per game and the Texans 325 @ 382.9 ypg.

Rams have a worse passing defense (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular), and if you toggle run defense we give up 4.8 ypc per rushing attempt while they give up 4.5. We both have awful defenses. We both had the ball in the OT...but only one offense could beat a bad defense when it counted.

I love how the offense puts up 27 points in the game, first time all season, and the defense gives up 30 points in the second half, and people on this board still find a way to distill the loss down to one series and pin it on the offense. As much as the offense has sucked this year, this game was as far from being their fault as any has been.

Vinny
11-28-2005, 02:34 PM
When you play a dog defense you better kick it hard. They kicked our dog harder than we kicked theirs. The proof is in the pudding.

Buffi2
11-28-2005, 02:38 PM
I love how the offense puts up 27 points in the game, first time all season, and the defense gives up 30 points in the second half, and people on this board still find a way to distill the loss down to one series and pin it on the offense. As much as the offense has sucked this year, this game was as far from being their fault as any has been.

Agree. Why take up a draft pick on another QB when we have so many other problems? As was proven yesterday, if you have some talent around you - it doesn't much matter about the QB - if he can pass and David can when he puts his mind to it and has some time to get his field vision together. Give Carr one more year with some decent folks around him and then we can see if he needs to go.

I say let us fix the most egregious problems first - Casserly, Capers and then draft some really good offensive and defensive players. I, for one, would rather see us draft Reggie Bush and keep Carr.

Grid
11-28-2005, 02:43 PM
Carr doesnt need to leave yet for a few reasons.

1. He has never had a working offense around him. He may still be a servicable QB if he was surrounded by competency.

2. We have no better replacement for him.. and dont need to add QB to our list of needs.

3. Hes a good guy, and a good player.. and the face of the franchise.. lets see if our new coaching staff can make him a good player before we scrap him eh?

eriadoc
11-28-2005, 02:46 PM
Agree. Why take up a draft pick on another QB when we have so many other problems? As was proven yesterday, if you have some talent around you - it doesn't much matter about the QB - if he can pass and David can when he puts his mind to it and has some time to get his field vision together. Give Carr one more year with some decent folks around him and then we can see if he needs to go.

I say let us fix the most egregious problems first - Casserly, Capers and then draft some really good offensive and defensive players. I, for one, would rather see us draft Reggie Bush and keep Carr.

That's actually what annoys me the most about the Carr haters on the board. They continue on harping about Carr when in reality, he's the 4th biggest problem, AT WORST. Fix the other three problems (coaching, O-line, defense, maybe Casserly) and then see what Carr does. For all the "crunch time" comments, Carr was driving the team down the field in the second half and fell victim to his teammates' mistakes. It happens. The more egregious mistakes were made on defense, but the Carr haters will ignore the biggest problems in an all-out effort to push their anti-Carr agenda.

There are more Carr posts than those of any other topic on this board, yet he is, at worst, the 4th biggest problem.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 02:54 PM
Or Vince Young, David Carr will never generate excitement or have fans on their feet such as Vince Young will in 2007 because he stay in schoolknowing the Texans have the first pick. Just dreaming there.

Just to let you know, If Carr had a line like Texas, plus the receivers and Backs, much less the defense they have, he too would have looked like crap against a sorry defense this past Friday. Ha Ha!

My point is, he has alot of talent around him, and Im not sure he would be this good without that talent or Carr wouldn't be amazing with it.

The NFL is different than the college. He isnt ready just yet, or if ever he will be.

mean mark8
11-28-2005, 02:56 PM
That's actually what annoys me the most about the Carr haters on the board. They continue on harping about Carr when in reality, he's the 4th biggest problem, AT WORST. Fix the other three problems (coaching, O-line, defense, maybe Casserly) and then see what Carr does. For all the "crunch time" comments, Carr was driving the team down the field in the second half and fell victim to his teammates' mistakes. It happens. The more egregious mistakes were made on defense, but the Carr haters will ignore the biggest problems in an all-out effort to push their anti-Carr agenda.

There are more Carr posts than those of any other topic on this board, yet he is, at worst, the 4th biggest problem.

Our team is 1-10, I believe the spread between who is the biggest problem and the smallest problem is so small even the BCS computers couldn't discern the difference.

SESupergenius
11-28-2005, 03:05 PM
I just wish we could throw a little screen pass and it for 50 yards. I wish we had a running game too. There is no way you can compare the talent level the Rams have on offense to the talent level the Texans have. They have better offensive weapons and scheme. Period. Carr gave the defense a good lead, can't blame him for the defense. Carr had a great game, I wish people would really direct their focus on what the real problems have been....the defense and its personnel.

El Tejano
11-28-2005, 03:19 PM
I agree David looked very good and so did the offensive line. For once the offensive line should get a big pat on the back. That is one thing in the game I am happy about. In all honesty I am pretty happy with the whole offense this game, hell even Bradford was catching the ball. The only thing I saw mistake wise on the receivers was in the time they should be running the clock out they were going out of bounds. It would have only taken a few less seconds off the clock and the game would have been won. The going out of bounds could be habit of being behind during the 4th quarter and forgot to not stop the clock. Even with that if the defense would have done better then we would have won, but the defensive front looked good.

Capers needs to go as well.

Thanks guys for making it an interesting game at least.

I thought todays game was a great example of what can happen if Carr has time. Yes it was against a very bad pass rushing team but we are a very bad pass protecting team. If we ever get good at that I am sure David will do even better regardless of pass rush.
As for the receivers. Two things. Your statement proves that coaching is what keeps this team from winning. It should've been addressed before the series or even after the first guy went out of bounds that noone is to run out of bounds for the rest of the game. Also, it proves my point that this WR unit could benefit from a legit veteran WR.

U4ikrob
11-28-2005, 03:32 PM
ITs funny how the Carr-haters keep bringing this tripe up yet it was obvious to most everyone including the local beat writers here in town the playcalling changed almost 180 degrees for both O and D from the first to the second half. IMO - it should be pretty damn obvious thats allmost completely on the coaching staff. The first half - Andre had almost all his receiving Yards - yet in the second half we almost never ran the bootleg outs and slants we ran in the first half that got us up 24 points and Andre almost never saw the ball. The guy led the league yesterday in Yards - yet almost all those yards came in the first half. Same thing on the D-side - we came aggressive and sacked and pushed their line yet in the second half - almost nop pressure and the defense just played sloppy, slow and unfocused. Coleman should have been benched in the second half more than once esp after the TD to Holt where we was supposed to play over the top Coverage yet was almost 7 yards behind Bell on the TD.

IMO - the players played what the coaches told them to play and since our staff have proven time and time again ad nauseum they coach to "Not Loose" as opposed to "trying to win" like they did in the first half - they lost the game in the second half. IT was maddening to watch - even the sportscasters staretd questioning the coaches calls in the booth asking why they were making these calls rather than trying to win the game. All they needed to do was like soebody's monikor on here says - "throw Andre the DAMN ball!!" :brickwall

Texan
11-28-2005, 03:42 PM
Have you ever heard of some guy by the name of Matt Leinart?


Leinart's not the answer. Hell, he has a 100 times better line at USC than what we have. Leinart might stay in for a 5th year if he thinks the Texans are going to draft him. lol.

We need lineman!!

Texans_Chick
11-28-2005, 03:52 PM
We're 24th in passing defense, 32nd in rushing defense, 30th overall. (StL is 31st and 27th respectively and 29th overall)

nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats)

As for the original post, my preference would be Capers, Casserly, then Carr.... and not all need to leave at the same time if they want to "execute" in baby steps to see if there is an ultimate endpoint to solve a majority of the team's issues.


Statistics can be a little wonky.

The Texans have been behind so much for most of the season, who needs to pass against them? And with the running yards per play that a lot of teams have done, why pass???

ThaShark316
11-28-2005, 04:01 PM
Brady Quinn > Matt Leinart (LOL @ the people who still call him Lion Heart :tv:)

Ok, I've cleared that up.

OMG @ a Jason Whitlock column...ahahahahaha!!!! Yall bought in to that!?!?!?!

Get rid of Capers and Casserly. If we got rid of Carr, then who do we draft/sign?

Carr2Bush&AJ2k6!

barzilla
11-28-2005, 04:06 PM
You guys keep comparing Carr to Elway, Montana, and the like, but look at what Elway did in his career: he lost every time until he got TERRELL DAVIS. Marino never won because he never had a running game or a competent defense most of the time. Montana won because he had Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, and Dwight Clark.

Franchise QBs don't win on their own. They have to be surrounded in talent. Sure, Carr might be missing that certain something that those guys had, but you might as well let him run his course until you can build a better team. Matt Leinert and Vince Young won't win here. Young can't make all the throws and Leinert is immobile.

The truth of the matter is that Carr was never a #1 overall pick kind of talent. It was a weak draft and the Texans made a mistake forcing a square peg into a round hole. That doesn't mean that Carr isn't talented, but he'd probably go middle of the first round these days. That isn't his fault. Just because the club reached some for him doesn't mean he should be cut. Instead, you need to blame the folks that reached for him. Those are the same folks that have surrounded him with a decent running back, very good WR and little else. Our anger should be directed at them, not Carr.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 04:19 PM
Leinart's not the answer. Hell, he has a 100 times better line at USC than what we have. Leinart might stay in for a 5th year if he thinks the Texans are going to draft him. lol.

We need lineman!!

Im not saying draft Leinert, Im saying not to draft Young, I dont believe Carr should go yet, but what in the world is wrong with the All-World QB?

mean mark8
11-28-2005, 04:21 PM
ITs funny how the Carr-haters keep bringing this tripe up yet it was obvious to most everyone including the local beat writers here in town the playcalling changed almost 180 degrees for both O and D from the first to the second half.

We ran 33 offensive plays in the second half of which at least 19 were pass attempts. That's not our usual "We've got the lead by 3 so let's shut it down to see if we'll hold" mentallity. Don't get me wrong, I want this coaching staff gone today, but for the first game of the year I didn't feel like we were actually just going through the motions. We had some of the worst breaks you could possibly imagine in the second half that cost us the game.

1) Should Coleman have just knocked the ball down rather than intercept? Yes. Would every DB in the league have gone for the pick instead? Yes. His mistake was in holding the ball out with one hand so the receiver could hack it out of there from behind. First rule is tuck the ball away.

2) Should Carr have waited a half second to throw the ball or Davis have looked a half second earlier for the pass he tipped in the air on which the defender made a stellar play to intercept? Yes maybe on both counts. I'm not a Carr supporter but he did manage to look good against arguably the worst secondary in the league that was playing 3 back-ups.

3) What happened on 4th and 6? We called a time-out with 3 seconds on the play clock with Isaac Bruce barely able to have walked back to the line of scrimmage from being winded on the play before. He gets some time to catch his breath, our defense plays a horrible version of a 4 deep zone, at least that's what Capers says it was, and either or both Earl and DRob got burned by, you guessed it, Bruce.

4) On the ensuing on-sides kick, the ball "bounced" perfectly high into the air where Coleman has to try to field it with two guys hitting him simultaneously. Where was the blocking for Coleman? I don't know who the players are on the "hands" team, but they're usually smallish type guys with good hands so blocking is not typically their forte. Should Coleman have held on? Even Derrick Armstrong, our best hands player, honestly would have had a hard time pulling that one in as 2 guys smear him across the field with a 20 yard run at him. Should Coleman have called a fair catch? Upon further review from someone on this message board, the ball did bounce first so a fair catch could not be called but maybe it would have caused some consternation on the 2 guys' part to hit him or the refs could have missed it.

All of this being said, we had a chance to beat a team that was down and out with a 7th round rookie QB from Harvard at the helm. He threw for ~300 yards on us. We proved we are the worst team in the league, but it was the most exciting game we played all year, IMO.

Napa Auto Parts
11-28-2005, 04:45 PM
02 Qb class was weak and the texans just got suckered into taking Carr if carr was coming out in this years draft with his stats in fresno he would probably be the 3rd Qb taken.

rmartin65
11-28-2005, 05:05 PM
Carr looked good yesterday. He showed what he could do with time. He made good reads, and the pick was not all his fault.

Runner
11-28-2005, 05:10 PM
02 Qb class was weak and the texans just got suckered into taking Carr if carr was coming out in this years draft with his stats in fresno he would probably be the 3rd Qb taken.

I wouldn't be too taken with this type of argument. Rothliesberger was at least the 3rd QB picked in his draft. Who was first - Rivers? The draft is still a crap shoot, and coaching/system can make a huge impact to a players success. I doubt Rothliesberger would be anywhere near where he is now if he didn't have that awesome running game available when he first started.

knowyourfootball
11-28-2005, 05:10 PM
Especially after yesterdays performance how can you say Carr needs to go? You saw what he could do and why he's the franchise, throwing the out route, moving in the pocket, hitting the deep in, moving the chains with his feet, and that crazy flick to Bradford for the TD, that was a great play by both of them. The kids the real deal and everyone needs to relax and quit trying to blame him..things will get fixed and if you're off the Carr bandwagon now I hope you feel guilty when you're begging to get back on next year..

HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 05:23 PM
I wouldn't be too taken with this type of argument. Rothliesberger was at least the 3rd QB picked in his draft. Who was first - Rivers? The draft is still a crap shoot, and coaching/system can make a huge impact to a players success. I doubt Rothliesberger would be anywhere near where he is now if he didn't have that awesome running game available when he first started.
Rivers was actually the 2nd QB taken and may or may not be a good one, the first one was Eli Manning. Please keep the facts straight...

dalemurphy
11-28-2005, 05:26 PM
Points given up - Rams 327 @ 376.6 yards per game and the Texans 325 @ 382.9 ypg.

Rams have a worse passing defense (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular), and if you toggle run defense we give up 4.8 ypc per rushing attempt while they give up 4.5. We both have awful defenses. We both had the ball in the OT...but only one offense could beat a bad defense when it counted.


Teams that score more points will generally give up more points as well. The only thing that saves our defense from being 32nd overall is our horrid offense. The Rams end up in shootouts. However, looking back to games like Buffalo and Pittsburgh, those offenses totally had their way with us but the game situation didn't call for more yards or points.

Regardless, I agree that the Rams defens is very bad. However, I was still pleasantly surprised by the offensive productivity.

The best thing about the game is that Fangio and Capers will have to answer for their ridiculous defense. The offense has taken so much of the abuse but this defense is an absolute joke and had been given a free pass until the Seattle game.

These coaches have zero ability to analyze talent. Corey Bradford, Victor Riley, Marcus Coleman, Phillip Buchanan all were handed starting jobs while potential playmakers like Mathis, Armstrong, Pitts (playing LG), Hodgdon, Glenn Earl, Lewis Sanders all flounder on the bench.

abbest
11-28-2005, 06:07 PM
You guys keep comparing Carr to Elway, Montana, and the like, but look at what Elway did in his career: he lost every time until he got TERRELL DAVIS. Marino never won because he never had a running game or a competent defense most of the time. Montana won because he had Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, and Dwight Clark.

Franchise QBs don't win on their own. They have to be surrounded in talent. Sure, Carr might be missing that certain something that those guys had, but you might as well let him run his course until you can build a better team. Matt Leinert and Vince Young won't win here. Young can't make all the throws and Leinert is immobile.

The truth of the matter is that Carr was never a #1 overall pick kind of talent. It was a weak draft and the Texans made a mistake forcing a square peg into a round hole. That doesn't mean that Carr isn't talented, but he'd probably go middle of the first round these days. That isn't his fault. Just because the club reached some for him doesn't mean he should be cut. Instead, you need to blame the folks that reached for him. Those are the same folks that have surrounded him with a decent running back, very good WR and little else. Our anger should be directed at them, not Carr.That`s why I still say today the Texans should drafted Julius Peppers that year and gave birth to a defensive monster the second coming of the House of Pain instead of the Sisters of Charity.This year`s draft they passed on Derrick Johnson for travis johnson(who`s that) and some more mediocre picks. Now I understand why Charlie was canned in Washington.Capers was an extra from the Night of the Living Dead. the Texans need a Buddy Ryan type coach (not the origional) Look at Lovie Smith and Marvin Lewis former defensive coaches who took teams from the dead and now kicking a---.

Double Barrel
11-28-2005, 06:14 PM
Points given up - Rams 327 @ 376.6 yards per game and the Texans 325 @ 382.9 ypg.

Rams have a worse passing defense (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular), and if you toggle run defense we give up 4.8 ypc per rushing attempt while they give up 4.5. We both have awful defenses. We both had the ball in the OT...but only one offense could beat a bad defense when it counted.

hmmmm....very interesting. :hmmm:

It's almost impossible to truly analyze yesterday then, because you can counter every point with a valid counterpoint.

Our offense was doing great...oh yeah? the Rams defense is one of the worst units in the league! That rookie QB looked like the second coming of Joe Montana...oh yeah? he played against one of the other bad defenses!

I was focussing and watching our o-line again yesterday, and I do see promise and consistency continuing from previous games. Carr took advantage of the protection with good reads and decisions, regardless of how bad the Rams D is right now.

Runner
11-28-2005, 06:33 PM
Rivers was actually the 2nd QB taken and may or may not be a good one, the first one was Eli Manning. Please keep the facts straight...

That was what the question mark was for. Please read the English straight...

HoustonFan
11-28-2005, 07:04 PM
I'm in favor of keep Carr. Bring in a coach that will address the NEEDS of the offensive line, and will utilze the strengths of the players. I still think Carr has not been given the chance to really succeed. Had he been given that chance he wouldn't be on pace to breaking the league record - set by him in the inaugural season - right now. That has been a big issue from the jump. Capers and Casserly never did much to improve on that.

mancunian
11-29-2005, 08:32 AM
agreed man, Carr is the QB, but we need an O line and revamped 4 - 3 D.

U4ikrob
11-29-2005, 04:17 PM
We ran 33 offensive plays in the second half of which at least 19 were pass attempts. That's not our usual "We've got the lead by 3 so let's shut it down to see if we'll hold" mentallity. Don't get me wrong, I want this coaching staff gone today, but for the first game of the year I didn't feel like we were actually just going through the motions. We had some of the worst breaks you could possibly imagine in the second half that cost us the game. .........
All of this being said, we had a chance to beat a team that was down and out with a 7th round rookie QB from Harvard at the helm. He threw for ~300 yards on us. We proved we are the worst team in the league, but it was the most exciting game we played all year, IMO.

Thanks Mark for the reply however I'm not really sure why your addressing my comments as the stats are pretty plain for all to see and the evidence was pretty obvious from the playcalls things changed from the first to the second half. I think your facts may be off unless your counting the OT which I was not. From looking at the playcalls they went High pass in the First half and went balanced "Not to Loose" in the second half as I asserted above IMO. My points came from Fox - check em out yourself below if you like including the last drive before the end of regulation where we almost did nothing but run the ball.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=20051127034

In total I counted 14 pass attempts in the Second half - not 19 that your asserting and 27 total plays - 29 if you count the 2 fg tries not 33.

3rd Quarter Possesions

1st drive :
Kickoff
1st-10-Hou30 Rush for 2 yards
2nd-8-Hou32 Pass for 7 yards
Penalty StL-Pisa Tinoisamoa PENALIZED 15 yards for Roughing Passer
1st-10-StL46 Rush for -3 yards
2nd-13-StL49 Pass for 13 yards
1st-10-StL36 Rush for 8 yards
2nd-2-StL28 Incomplete Pass David Carr Pass Incomplete to Jabar Gaffney
3rd-2-StL28 Incomplete Pass David Carr Pass Incomplete to Andre Johnson
4th-2-StL28 Time Out Houston Texans timeout.
4th-2-StL28 Missed Field Goal

Thats 4 passes and 3 rushes and a missed FG

2nd Possesion:

1st-10-Hou27 Rush for 2 yards
2nd-8-Hou29 Pass for 4 yards
3rd-4-Hou33 Pass for 7 yards
1st-10-Hou40 Pass for 19 yards
1st-10-StL41 Rush for -1 yards
2nd-11-StL42 Pass for 10 yards
3rd-1-StL32 Pass for 3 yards
1st-10-StL29 Pass for 14 yards

4th Quarter
Texans ball, 15:00
1st-10-StL15 Sack David Carr sacked at StL15 for no loss
2nd-10-StL15 Incomplete Pass
3rd-10-StL15 Interception

Thats 8 passes and 2 rushes - Much more like the first half play calls.

Last Possesion:

Kickoff
1st-10-Hou31 Pass for 21 yards
1st-10-StL48 Penalty
1st-5-StL43 Rush for 2 yards
2nd-3-StL41 Rush for 6 yards
1st-10-StL35 Rush for no gain
2nd-10-StL35 Rush for 11 yards
1st-10-StL24 Rush for 2 yards
2nd-8-StL22 Time Out St. Louis Rams timeout.
2nd-8-StL22 Rush for 2 yards
Penalty
2nd-16-StL30 Pass for 8 yards
3rd-8-StL22 Rush for 5 yards
4th-3-StL17 Time Out St. Louis Rams timeout.
4th-3-StL17 Made Field Goal

Thats 2 passes and 7 Rushes

2nd Half Totals: 14 Passes - 12 Rushes - 27 total plays and 2 Fg tries - 1 made.

For the record i'm not counting sacks or penalties as either the play didnt count as a pass att or a rush for clarity sake.

1st OT possesion was 3 passes, 2 Runs and a punt.

Vinny
11-29-2005, 04:27 PM
Actually the thing to do when you have a big lead is to run the ball...that is just smart football. It's tough to bash Capers for having a balanced offense in the second half.

U4ikrob
11-29-2005, 04:54 PM
Oh I understood the "why go balanced" idea just fine - Just was reiterating that they seem to always coach with a "Not to loose" mentality instead of "Trying to win the game" mentality of other teams.

Persoanlly i'm in the camp of take your shots, roll the dice and let the cards fall where they may approach unless its an obvious thing like up by 3 scores in the last few mins and you want to run out the clock. Our team did not manage the clock very well though as evidenced by the out patterns, time outs and players going OOB to stop the clock when we were tryign to run the clock out.