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Frills
11-28-2005, 01:10 AM
If we take him, Leinart, or Vince...the new GM needs to get whacked asap

This team needs more than any of the 3 could give us, trade down, get as many picks in 06/07 as possible.

If we were 1 player away, fine, but truth is, we ain't even close. Need 2 OL at minimum, FS, CB, couple more LB, a TE.

I think with the 7-9 picks Casserly dumped we might be only a 2-3 players away which is why he needs to go byebye

phan1
11-28-2005, 01:34 AM
This is such a toss-up. Yes, we got needs everywhere on both sides of the ball. But the fact is, a player like Reggie Bush only comes around once every decade. He's arguably the best back to ever play college football. EVER. I just don't think we can pass up on a player like that. A player like Bush is just too good to pass up on. I mean, it's like saying do we want to draft Lebron James, or should we find players to fill some more immediate needs. I say I want Lebron James.

I wouldn't mind picking up Bush, and than continue to build. Sure it will take a longer time for us to progress, but I think the payoff will be worth it for a player like Bush. Casserly sure has put us in a hole though. He needs to be fired. He has done a total hack-job on our defense. I was just expecting our Oline to be the weak link, but we got weak links everywhere on both sides of the ball. He has set our defense back at least 2-3 years from getting back to where our defense was in our rookie season.

done88
11-28-2005, 02:49 AM
ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.

Dime
11-28-2005, 03:21 AM
And again I say.. We will NOT take him. Why do we keep posting this? We do not need a RB in our scheme of things and IF we get the first pick, we will be trading down because we can pick up a huge deal since so many are willing to risk so much for a chance at Liehart or Bush. They are much more valuable to us by picks.

phan1
11-28-2005, 03:28 AM
ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.

Very good point. We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football. Another Brickshaw Ferguson will come along easily. A Reggie Bush won't. And the fact that Pitts has become solid at LT (to say the least), I'd rather draft a big-time guard that can help us push the pile up front. The Kansas Chief's guards absolute crush people and do wonders for their running backs.

Peldon
11-28-2005, 03:38 AM
We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football.

That's a very bold statement.

phan1
11-28-2005, 03:45 AM
And again I say.. We will NOT take him. Why do we keep posting this? We do not need a RB in our scheme of things and IF we get the first pick, we will be trading down because we can pick up a huge deal since so many are willing to risk so much for a chance at Liehart or Bush. They are much more valuable to us by picks.

I think you're wrong here. This guy is not just another running back. This guy is not a Ricky Williams, Cadillac Williams, , I could go on and on. This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER. No one on the afformentioned list can even be argued as the best. He is on the level of OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Dorsett, and Walter Peyton as arguably the best runningback of all time to play college football. And this guy can also do it all a la Marshall Faulk. You DO NOT pass on a guy like this.

I don't care who doesn't fit in with who. When you have a chance to draft the best player EVER at his position (RB no less), you take him. He is worth it simply for franchise reasons. Everyone's going to want to see how Bush does at the professional level. Honestly, I don't think there is a single franshise sans Chargers that would pass on Reggie Bush.

yaboycm
11-28-2005, 03:46 AM
If we take him, Leinart, or Vince...the new GM needs to get whacked asap

This team needs more than any of the 3 could give us, trade down, get as many picks in 06/07 as possible.

If we were 1 player away, fine, but truth is, we ain't even close. Need 2 OL at minimum, FS, CB, couple more LB, a TE.

I think with the 7-9 picks Casserly dumped we might be only a 2-3 players away which is why he needs to go byebye
NO!

phan1
11-28-2005, 04:04 AM
Sorry to bust you bubble guys, but I really do not think Vince is an NFL QB. And this is coming from a UT fan who's looking foward to winning the Rose Bowl this year. His arm is just not suited for the NFL IMO, and I am sure he won't last very long as an NFL QB. He's not accurate, he likes to side-arm the ball simply because he can (he's so tall), and he throws it up to recievers all the time simply because his team is so talented. There is no way his lobbing or his side-arm action would last in the NFL. Do you guys actually watch the games? He really does so well throwing the ball because he's got so much talent around him. I mean, the talent around him is absolutely ridiculous, especially compared to the opposition he's faced this year. He's going to likely be a WR for a team a couple years down the road. If you thought Michael Vick couldn't pass, wait till you see Vince Young in the NFL.

Plus, he's likely going to stay for his senior year. The thought of getting Vince Young is a very long while off.

TexanExile
11-28-2005, 06:32 AM
I was against signing Bush before, but I don't see how you pass on a guy like that now. If they trade out of the pick they'll never live it down in Houston. I think you have to do it....there's a lot of cap room available for FA help if there's a smarter person making the personnel decisions next season.

awtysst
11-28-2005, 08:33 AM
Very good point. We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football. Another Brickshaw Ferguson will come along easily. A Reggie Bush won't. And the fact that Pitts has become solid at LT (to say the least), I'd rather draft a big-time guard that can help us push the pile up front. The Kansas Chief's guards absolute crush people and do wonders for their running backs.

What exactly are you basing this on? The best player in his position EVER? Wow. I have not seen that at all. I think he is a very solid player, but I would not call him the best at his position.

awtysst
11-28-2005, 08:36 AM
I think you're wrong here. This guy is not just another running back. This guy is not a Ricky Williams, Cadillac Williams, , I could go on and on. This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER. No one on the afformentioned list can even be argued as the best. He is on the level of OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Dorsett, and Walter Peyton as arguably the best runningback of all time to play college football. And this guy can also do it all a la Marshall Faulk. You DO NOT pass on a guy like this.



Here is something I do not get. First you say he is the best college player EVER. Then you say he on the level of simpson etc as one of the best to play college football. How can he be the best and then a couple sentences later one of the best? Hoenstly, in my opinion the best college back was Barry Sanders and I am not sure if Bush is him. Bush might be a very good back, but Sanders...

jacquescas
11-28-2005, 08:58 AM
I'd say reggie bush was the best player ever etc. IF he were at least 15 pounds heavier without losing any speed, quickness or agility. right now at a hair over 200lbs. Yes he is bigger than Warrick Dunn, but he is still Michael Vick sized and for that he will always be questioned as a full time back. Although having Davis to share carries in the backfield will make it better, and a new coach (martz will make his attempt) will try to utillize him in rather ingenious ways.(ie WR)

dat_boy_yec
11-28-2005, 10:53 AM
I think Bush would really help the Texans, I mean he could come in and make an immedieate impact on the team. No disrespect to Wells and Morency, but this guy is definitely able to share the workload with Davis, plus line up at wide receiver, and be a returnman I mean in one pick we add depth and possibly upgrade at 2 positions. Not to mention improved play due to competition cuz if the receivers dont want to give bush playing time at their position they need to step it up. Plus the wear and tear that Davis and Bush will avoid by sharing the workload. Also in Davis you have a good mentor for Bush. The drawback I see is in the coaching, because even though they have wells and morrency right now I dont see either of them really sharing the workload. Wells is almost exclusively a third down back and morrency doesnt get on the field unless dd is hurt. I'd say we could get rid of some other backs (hollings, morency maybe) and be better off with just bush, dd, wells. Hell this team likes to expirement, wells could put in time at tight end i dunno do something, if this team cant utilize bush somehow then you definitely know there is something wrong with the coaching staff. you can address problems on o-line and defense with other picks in the draft or free agency but to not gamble on this kid if we get the first pick would i think not be smart. I could go on but I think this post is long enough already.

Vinny
11-28-2005, 11:04 AM
This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER.Do yourself a favor and look up some rushing stats from the past. There have been a ton of players with better rushing years than Bush has had this year in College. He may be the best back of this class but he hasn't had a historic season.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 11:04 AM
Lets go down Can't Miss RB Memory Lane in the 1990's-
Blair Thomas 2 1990
Kijana Carter 1 1995
Lawrence Phillips 6 1996
Tim Biakabutuka 8 1996
Curtis Enis 5 1998
Ricky Williams 5 1999

Trade down and get the value this team desperately needs.

Texans_Chick
11-28-2005, 11:24 AM
Lets go down Can't Miss RB Memory Lane in the 1990's-
Blair Thomas 2 1990
Kijana Carter 1 1995
Lawrence Phillips 6 1996
Tim Biakabutuka 8 1996
Curtis Enis 5 1998
Ricky Williams 5 1999

Trade down and get the value this team desperately needs.


At this point, put me down in the trade down camp. Bush might be a great player but I am not sure he would be a great player for us. We have too many needs.

I watched the Fresno State-USC game from start to finish, and despite the gaudy shoe-in for the Heisman stats, Bush almost lost that game for them in the 4th quarter.

I just have a hard time justifying using the first pick on a guy who they don't trust to run up the middle for short yardage.

Just from a cap management perspective, we can't afford to use the 1st pick on anyone.

texan0305
11-28-2005, 11:30 AM
For everyone that doesn't want to see reggie bush in a texans uniform, i just have to ask you did you guys see the show he put on against Fresno State? At the time Fresno was ranked number 15 in the nation, and after seeing that i definately want the guy on my team, the guy is a play maker! Thats more than i can say about Domanick Davis, davis is serviceable you have a chance at getting a guy that is going to be in the same league as a LT! Wouldnt that be nice? The question might be if he can stay healthy, jeez i hope he can jus stay healthy the guy is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.....And thank god vince isn't coming out this year the hoopla that would sorround the texans if they didn't draft the guy. I hope the texans decide to pass on Vince he's not going to be a great college qb, if he can't tear up that weak A&M defense he's not going to do it against pro teams, hate to break it to all you Vince Young lovers...

texan0305
11-28-2005, 11:30 AM
I meant NFL Qb not college, my bad...

Scooter
11-28-2005, 12:06 PM
ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.

sure LT sells tickets, but not nearly as many as a winning team does. look at 2001-2003, LT was doing everything and couldnt get the chargers a winning record, and drew brees was on his way out. what changed in 2004? it's amazing what an offensive line & defense can do for a TEAM. if your idea of fun is watching a superstar on a bad team, then by all means have at it. my idea of fun is watching a winning team in houston. what's funny is most of the people that bush is being likened to have showed that despite their God-like abilities werent good enough to carry a pathetic team.

"games are won & lost in the trenches"

"defense wins championships"

these arent cliches, they're how winning teams are built.

Kaiser Toro
11-28-2005, 12:16 PM
For everyone that doesn't want to see reggie bush in a texans uniform, i just have to ask you did you guys see the show he put on against Fresno State? At the time Fresno was ranked number 15 in the nation, and after seeing that i definately want the guy on my team, the guy is a play maker! Thats more than i can say about Domanick Davis, davis is serviceable you have a chance at getting a guy that is going to be in the same league as a LT! Wouldnt that be nice? The question might be if he can stay healthy, jeez i hope he can jus stay healthy the guy is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.....And thank god vince isn't coming out this year the hoopla that would sorround the texans if they didn't draft the guy. I hope the texans decide to pass on Vince he's not going to be a great college qb, if he can't tear up that weak A&M defense he's not going to do it against pro teams, hate to break it to all you Vince Young lovers...

For the health of Texans fans please do not compare anything that has to do with Fresno State to what may have been or will be. Fresno State has not shown itself to be a barometer of success in the NFL.

Keyser Soze
11-28-2005, 12:31 PM
We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football.

Step away from the hype.

Two words: Barry Sanders.

cadahnic
11-28-2005, 12:40 PM
Jim Brown was the best player out of his posistion in the history of college Football. Barry Sanders had several other RBs that came out and performed well. Barry even was a back up for two years to Thurman Thomas. Jim Brown and maybe Tony Dorsett were awesome in college and even better in the pros. Reggie Bush is a mix of Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook as a RB and likely alot like Santana Moss or Steve Smith as a WR. Either way he will be a quality player, but lets not annoint him as the next great football player since Peyton Manning.

The Preacher
11-28-2005, 01:20 PM
As much as Reggie Bush would be fun to watch in a Texans uniform, I'd rather see a defense that dominates. That's probably a little old school but for every Rams Super Bowl team there are five with very strong defenses. The Bears might make it this year out of the NFC simply because of D. If management can somehow muster some extra picks out of their near top/top pick and build the beginning of a monster D that would be more exciting in my opinion. They must build the o-line too obviously.

Wish List: Trade from 1 overall to Arizona for #5 overall, #2 this year and #1 next year.

1) D'Brick with #5
2a) DT Jesse Mahelona-please stop the run
2b) S-Laron Landry-need some force at safety
3a) LB Freddie Roach-heart makes up for lack of athleticism
3b) DT Babatunde Oshinowo-more depth for aging line

2007 yields two top fifteen picks
Take two more stud defense players
5) Ted Ginn Jr.
12) Lawrence Dampeer

HomeBred_Texan
11-28-2005, 01:32 PM
For everyone that doesn't want to see reggie bush in a texans uniform, i just have to ask you did you guys see the show he put on against Fresno State? At the time Fresno was ranked number 15 in the nation, and after seeing that i definately want the guy on my team, the guy is a play maker! Thats more than i can say about Domanick Davis, davis is serviceable you have a chance at getting a guy that is going to be in the same league as a LT! Wouldnt that be nice? The question might be if he can stay healthy, jeez i hope he can jus stay healthy the guy is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.....And thank god vince isn't coming out this year the hoopla that would sorround the texans if they didn't draft the guy. I hope the texans decide to pass on Vince he's not going to be a great college qb, if he can't tear up that weak A&M defense he's not going to do it against pro teams, hate to break it to all you Vince Young lovers...
Next Saturday EVERONE will have a 2nd chance to see this amazing guy in action. They will play a highly ranked UCLA team. Please watch this game and Reggie Bush then come back here and say we are wrong about him..

If we do not draft him and he becomes the amazing back I predict, then allot of people will be here in years to come saying, Man, we should have taken Reggie Bush when we had the chance. The guy is nothing but greatness...

HeartofHouston
11-28-2005, 02:05 PM
Now lately I've been one of the main ones saying trade down from the #1.. Pass on Bush and get more picks.. but the more i think about having Bush on our squad the more and more my insides get tingly..

Its kinda strange cause i'm kinda in a disagreement with myself I know it would be smart to trade down in get and 2 extra picks this year and a 2nd rounder next year.. it only makes sense.. but then again.. It's REGGIE BUSH.. I havent seen someone as electrifying as him since Barry Sanders.. I mean honestly.. so is it worth taking and keeping Bush.. or trading down and picking up..

Mario Williams, Marcus McNeill, DeMario Minter..

I dont know.. This is somewhat of a rough choice and while I would love to be making the pick I would also hate it cause it's a lose lose situation..

Good luck New GM/Personel staff..

Vinny
11-28-2005, 02:29 PM
Next Saturday EVERONE will have a 2nd chance to see this amazing guy in action. They will play a highly ranked UCLA team. Please watch this game and Reggie Bush then come back here and say we are wrong about him..
UCLA gives up 435.4 yards per game and are extra bad against the run. They don't play much defense out there.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&cat2=Total&conference=I-A_PAC10&year=2005&sort=1108

yaboycm
11-29-2005, 12:31 AM
Lets go down Can't Miss RB Memory Lane in the 1990's-
Blair Thomas 2 1990
Kijana Carter 1 1995
Lawrence Phillips 6 1996
Tim Biakabutuka 8 1996
Curtis Enis 5 1998
Ricky Williams 5 1999

Trade down and get the value this team desperately needs.
The fact that you put Ricky Williams in the same group as those guys is terrible.

yaboycm
11-29-2005, 12:32 AM
Step away from the hype.

Two words: Barry Sanders.
If you are saying that Barry Sanders isn't good you should be banned from the board forever.

BigBull17
11-29-2005, 09:19 AM
I think he saying Barry was the best back in college football history. But your right if he thinks Barry isnt good he should be banned.

Hervoyel
11-29-2005, 10:02 AM
If we take him, Leinart, or Vince...the new GM needs to get whacked asap

This team needs more than any of the 3 could give us, trade down, get as many picks in 06/07 as possible.

If we were 1 player away, fine, but truth is, we ain't even close. Need 2 OL at minimum, FS, CB, couple more LB, a TE.

I think with the 7-9 picks Casserly dumped we might be only a 2-3 players away which is why he needs to go byebye


I do not agree with you. We do not need "2 OL at minimum". We need one starting LT. The rest of the line is pretty much set. We've got plenty of guards. Chester Pitts, Steve McKinney, Zach Weigert, Milford Brown are all starting quality NFL guards. At Center we have Drew Hodgdon and backing him up we've got Todd Washington. Both can get it done. Right Tackle is Todd Wade and there is no reason why Todd Wade can't continue to be our starting RT. He's been starting at RT for years in Miami and did a fine job. His poor performance here says more about our lousy line coach and scheme than anything else. Seth Wand can back him up. Chester Pitts could back him up as well.

We need a TE, no argument from me there. We can't count on Joppru ever coming back. The rest of your list though isn't all that difficult to go out and get. One FS, one CB, and two LB's? Without trading down for more picks you could fill that wish list in one off-season easily. Get a FA or two and draft the rest at your existing spots.

If Bush is what he's been made out to be then you take him if given the chance.

beerlover
11-29-2005, 11:50 AM
I do not agree with you. We do not need "2 OL at minimum". We need one starting LT. The rest of the line is pretty much set. We've got plenty of guards. Chester Pitts, Steve McKinney, Zach Weigert, Milford Brown are all starting quality NFL guards. At Center we have Drew Hodgdon and backing him up we've got Todd Washington. Both can get it done. Right Tackle is Todd Wade and there is no reason why Todd Wade can't continue to be our starting RT. He's been starting at RT for years in Miami and did a fine job. His poor performance here says more about our lousy line coach and scheme than anything else. Seth Wand can back him up. Chester Pitts could back him up as well.

I think you have it wrong:rolleyes: we need a young mauling guard to go along with a premier tackle with Pitts moving to tackle the left guard position is wide open. McKinney is on the downhill side of a very average career at Guard/Center. Weigert's if he stays healthy maybe two more years tops. Milford Brown is depth, girth and all things filler providing cheap depth only. If Hodgdon keeps injuring his ankle this could be problematic and are you going to wager the future of the Texans on his health? Seth Wand is probably cut & Wade is the only near sure thing for the future even though,in my opinion he has underachieved @ RT and therefore needs to be looked at moving inside to RG mostly based on his run blocking skills and lack of foot speed mobility for the outside pass rush (adjusted to reflect infantrys concerns).

the Texans need to aggressively address the offensive line with the 1st and 2nd picks. Trade down and draft Eric Winston RT (leave Pitts at LT) then Davin Joseph in 2nd. Two number One's next year sounds really good to me & as far as I know Bush is still considering his options, he might return to school for his senior season and the Texans with that extra 1st just might get lucky & as a bonus have a great young offensive line to block for him and protect David Carr.

infantrycak
11-29-2005, 11:56 AM
[B]Wade is the only near sure thing for the future even though he has failed at RT and had to moved inside.

Huh? Wade was starting at RT when he was injured. Riley is the one who can't even play his previous RT position and has been moved inside. I would not expect to see him next year.

beerlover
11-29-2005, 12:17 PM
Huh? Wade was starting at RT when he was injured. Riley is the one who can't even play his previous RT position and has been moved inside. I would not expect to see him next year.

its not that difficult, but here it goes again. if the Texans trade down & draft Winston he will play LT or RT. Pitts will play RT or LT. therefore Wade is out at RT and moves inside to RG. I would expect Riley to be cut along with Wand. are we clear or do we just disagree:confused:

MorKnolle
11-29-2005, 12:50 PM
its not that difficult, but here it goes again. if the Texans trade down & draft Winston he will play LT or RT. Pitts will play RT or LT. therefore Wade is out at RT and moves inside to RG. I would expect Riley to be cut along with Wand. are we clear or do we just disagree:confused:
I like your plan. If we keep Pitts at LT (at least for next year), trade down and draft Winston in the 1st round to play RT, leave Weigert at one of the OG, draft another OG (don't know many specific names at the moment that would be available at the top of the 2nd or bottom of the 1st rounds), and then either play McKinney or Hodgdon (Hodgdon is a better pass blocker but is smaller and not as good at run blocking) at OC I think our line would be pretty nice. Then if we bring in a new offensive system that will allow our players to play to their abilities we can see what Carr/AJ/Davis/Mathis can do together for a year or maybe two and then decide whether we need to keep them. Hopefully Gaffney will stay because I think he can be a good 2nd WR if we used him properly, but if he leaves we may need to look to draft another WR, I don't think Mathis is ready for a full-time #2 WR yet. Depending on the defensive system we run I'd next look for a DE/LB as a pass-rushing specialist for next year or else look for a good CB if there are any athletic ones that will cover people still available after our first two picks, and then look for a safety.

infantrycak
11-29-2005, 02:42 PM
its not that difficult, but here it goes again. if the Texans trade down & draft Winston he will play LT or RT. Pitts will play RT or LT. therefore Wade is out at RT and moves inside to RG. I would expect Riley to be cut along with Wand. are we clear or do we just disagree:confused:

Before smarting off back at me, you might watch the tense of your statements. You used the past tense as if Wade had already been moved.

Wade is the only near sure thing for the future even though he has failed at RT and had to moved inside.

Not sure Wade is a built to be a RG, but with proper use of tense, the concept is certainly easy to understand.

Bullpen Drew
11-29-2005, 03:10 PM
My mind is changing, I think we SHOULD draft Bush!

This guy is a playmaker. If we pass on him we will regret it. As long as we have him next year when we play Dallas.....Lets lose the rest of the games!

Johnny Utah
11-29-2005, 03:20 PM
Bush + Mike Martz + AJ + Carr = Greatest Show on Turf II


ps - I know we don't play on turf.

Peldon
11-29-2005, 03:54 PM
Bush + Mike Martz + AJ + Carr = Greatest Show on Turf II

Bush + Mike Martz + AJ + Carr + One pathetic O-line = Bush with broken leg + Mike Martz fired + AJ ineffective + Carr with concussion + Still pathetic O-line :jk:

z0rpAn
11-29-2005, 05:01 PM
we can attempt to do what we didnt last year and fix our line with some QUALITY free agents...

Johnny Utah
11-29-2005, 05:13 PM
Bush + Mike Martz + AJ + Carr + One pathetic O-line = Bush with broken leg + Mike Martz fired + AJ ineffective + Carr with concussion + Still pathetic O-line :jk:

+ 2nd round pick on RT + FA OG = Above average OL.

:ok: :texflag:

Hervoyel
11-29-2005, 05:19 PM
its not that difficult, but here it goes again. if the Texans trade down & draft Winston he will play LT or RT. Pitts will play RT or LT. therefore Wade is out at RT and moves inside to RG. I would expect Riley to be cut along with Wand. are we clear or do we just disagree:confused:

I think Wade will surprise you if he has to compete with our rookie LT prospect in this scenario. He didn't suck in Miami and I doubt he'll suck when the line coach is someone other than Joe Pendry (assuming the Texans are successful in bagging a good head coach and he assembles a staff of quality assistants.

At the very least I expect him to force that rookie to beat out a veteran RT for the job. That's another improvement I'd like to see out of our next coaching staff. It would be nice if someone had to beat someone else out of a job for a change instead of just being handed the spot.

If I'm right (and I could be wrong) then wouldn't that be something else? Can you imagine having one more quality tackle than you have a spot for? I'd think I'd died and gone to football fan heaven.

uhcougar08
11-29-2005, 06:05 PM
Bush for President!!!:texflag: