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El Tejano
11-27-2005, 11:29 PM
See the field the same time Andre Johnson was on the field and what was the result of it if he did? I ask because the game was not on TV in Austin. Thanks for the update. I guess I will wait yet another week for my free Bengal Coffee.

bigtex77
11-27-2005, 11:34 PM
See the field the same time Andre Johnson was on the field and what was the result of it if he did? I ask because the game was not on TV in Austin. Thanks for the update. I guess I will wait yet another week for my free Bengal Coffee.
I'm not sure if they were on the field at the same time, but I don't think Mathis had any catches, just returns.

hot pickle
11-28-2005, 12:17 AM
I don't even remeber Mathis on the field at all other then kick offs, which kind of confused me, cause he could of been the difference maker

YellerLotYeller
11-28-2005, 12:23 AM
I don't even remeber Mathis on the field at all other then kick offs, which kind of confused me, cause he could of been the difference maker

That reverse has his name written all over it. However he needs to be in the lineup on a regular basis or the defens will read it everytime.

hot pickle
11-28-2005, 12:33 AM
thats what I was thinking when they ran that, i use it alot in madden and it works pretty well, but i bet it would work in a real game as well, seeing as he can out run almost everyone on the field

touttail
11-28-2005, 04:27 AM
Nope, after AJ had the great first half, they were double teaming him to death. And guess what, our coaching staff:homer: won't put a threat in with AJ such as Mathis or Armstrong. They insist on keeping Gaffney and Bradford in the offense.


bobby 119C:brickwall

TheOgre
11-28-2005, 08:23 AM
I liked seeing Mathis on punts too. He barely fell out of bounds on that one PR.

El Tejano
11-28-2005, 02:12 PM
See this is exactly why I feel that our coaches have to go. I mean here is a kid that is basically the only reason we won our only game. He has already caught a deep pass that resulted in a TD and yet he can't get on the field because they insist that Bradford is good. One time they made the excuse that it was because he didn't practice much during the week. How hard is it to ask a guy to run a deep route. Even if the play is not for him the team has to respect his big play potential. Also, what in the world is it going to do if we lose a game because we are trying to implement guys like Mathis so that they can get game time experience and we don't have to worrry about them during training camp or preseason?

HoustonFan2008
11-28-2005, 03:37 PM
Mathis is one of our few playmakers, and the coaches should get playmakers on the field. Mathis has made more plays in his 5-6 games this year than Bradford has in 4 years... at very least have the guy line up and run down field as a decoy... with his speed, he can take a safety and/or CB out of a play..

El Tejano
11-28-2005, 03:49 PM
That's exactly what I am saying. Or vice versa with him and Andre. Let andre go deep and bring Mathis under. Hopefully this can be done next season and noone knows about it.

mexican_texan
11-28-2005, 03:51 PM
Stop making these threads! Mathis doesn't play offense because that would make him tired when playing special teams. Look at Dante Hall.

Vinny
11-28-2005, 03:53 PM
Stop making these threads! Mathis doesn't play offense because that would make him tired when playing special teams. Look at Dante Hall.That has nothing to do with him not getting more time at WR. Steve Smith and Derrick Mason never had a problem with their dual duties. When he gets more experience as a WR we will see him more at wr.

Ibar_Harry
11-28-2005, 03:56 PM
That has nothing to do with him not getting more time at WR. Steve Smith and Derrick Mason never had a problem with their dual duties. When he gets more experience as a WR we will see him more at wr.

But if you don't play the position how do you gain experience? Isn't this kind of what came 1st arguement - the chicken or the egg......

rmartin65
11-28-2005, 04:02 PM
Mathis needs to be out there at wr, even just at slot.

mexican_texan
11-28-2005, 04:42 PM
That has nothing to do with him not getting more time at WR. Steve Smith and Derrick Mason never had a problem with their dual duties. When he gets more experience as a WR we will see him more at wr.
Dante Hall's return stats drop when he plays offense, which is why he isn't the starting reciever. Returners should be well rested. Speed isn't the only thing a reciever needs. I remember the jets drafted a WR for his speed, but he had no hands. One of the biggest bust of all times. I'm not saying 13 is a bust, but speed doesn't make you randy moss. Armstrong needs more snaps than 13. I don't recall him getting a catch yesterday.

mean mark8
11-28-2005, 05:01 PM
Dante Hall's return stats drop when he plays offense, which is why he isn't the starting reciever. Returners should be well rested. Speed isn't the only thing a reciever needs. I remember the jets drafted a WR for his speed, but he had no hands. One of the biggest bust of all times. I'm not saying 13 is a bust, but speed doesn't make you randy moss. Armstrong needs more snaps than 13. I don't recall him getting a catch yesterday.

So, let's get this straight. We don't play a guy who could be a game breaker on virtually every pass play because we want him to be fresh to return kick-offs? You know our intention should be to only return one kick-off for an entire game, either to open the game or the second half.

Mathis had lots of long returns in college as well as averaging 26.4 per reception as a receiver. We are constantly being told that he is a football player first and a track guy second. If they meant it, he'd play more. This coaching staff annoints guys as starters, no one has to earn it. That's why Bradford is still our #3.

As for the Randy Moss comment, speed and height are pretty much all that makes him. He admittedly takes plays off and does not always run the cleanest routes. It's his great speed and height that make him a threat. He only has 38 receptions on the year, 3rd on the Raiders, for 697 yards, 2nd on the team, for an 18.3 yard average, 1st on the team. He's not running great routes and moving the sticks, he's making the opponent respect his speed and still burning by them.

infantrycak
11-28-2005, 05:11 PM
Dante Hall's return stats drop when he plays offense, which is why he isn't the starting reciever. Returners should be well rested.

That and the fact that he is generously listed at 5' 8" and was a RB and returner in college who only saw marginal action as a WR. Guess the college coach was resting him from WR action with those 522 carries.

HoustonFan2008
11-28-2005, 05:46 PM
I think he could be in offensive plays and still be fresh for the kick-off returns... plus he'll have atleast 4 or 5 plays to rest while the defense slows the other team from scoring..

Also... I'm not saying start Mathis... I'm just saying to get him in the game more.. He's a play maker AND if there are some questions... use him as a decoy... I would imagine after his work on Kickoffs, the opposing defense will know when he's in the game... fake a reverse, run a reverse, fake him deep, fake him short and throw deep...

rmartin65
11-28-2005, 08:06 PM
Mathis is not readyto be a fulltime starter. He's missed to much time with injuries. He needs to work into the slot, and see what happens from there.

MorKnolle
11-28-2005, 10:57 PM
I would love to see Mathis out there at WR but right now he is not ready to be a full-time WR, although I'd still like to see him in there on certain situations. Still, he has had injury problems this year and with other injuries to some of our other returners I think the coaches are trying to make sure he stays healthy for special teams since he has definitely made a huge impact on that part of our game. Other than Mathis, Domanick Davis and Dunta Robinson are our next available returners and I don't really like the idea of our starting RB, who we already run with too much during the game IMO, or our lone start DB returning kicks for us.

uhcougar08
11-28-2005, 11:08 PM
Dante Hall's return stats drop when he plays offense, which is why he isn't the starting reciever.
Actually, he isn't that good of a receiver, thats why hes not starting, not because of kick-offs or punts. That has nothing to do with it.

Texans_Chick
11-28-2005, 11:10 PM
I heard from one of the coaches that they do want to play Mathis more at WR but he hasn't been able to get enough reps in practice because of his repeatedly injured hamstrings. They want to slowly work him up for more reps because they don't want to reinjure it like he did after he played WR during the Colts game. They believe that he needs to get used to the greater workload and getting hit more. (In other words, this is real life and not Madden--if you increase your exercise load too fast, you risk injury).

IIRC, he did a fake reverse during the Colts game that would have been a massive gain had he actually got the ball. Next year. Maybe at the end of this year if he gets more acclimated to the increased physical load.

As a random aside, if you happen to see Mathis standing next to our other receivers, you will notice that his calves are much smaller than the rest of the guys--he is shorter than they are, but sometimes a shorter bone will make it easier for a muscle to look bigger proportionately. Prolly doesn't mean much but it was very noticeable how much slighter he was than the other guys.