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texansfan1974
11-27-2005, 05:38 PM
There is no reason to win now. We can get REGGIE BUSH people.this is good news. Im a fan of our Texans, but might as well take the #1 pick.:texflag:

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 05:39 PM
Im not at all sold on Bush. I would rather get an O-line and a TRUE ILB and a safety.

texansfan1974
11-27-2005, 05:43 PM
Take Reggie and trade DD for a 2nd or maybe even a 1st to get a good lineman.:fishing:

Snapple
11-27-2005, 05:43 PM
What good is a RB without an O-line?

Besides, RBs are always in danger of getting injured. Bush is hardly a guaranteed success. I don't want to blow a chance at a sure-thing great O-lineman like Ferguson because we took the next Ki-Jana Carter instead.

EDIT: We are not going to get a first round pick for DD... wishful thinking there.

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 05:44 PM
The only point is that there are a few good OT in this draft, and you could take Reggie, trade DD and get one of the 5 top OT in this draft.

GP
11-27-2005, 05:45 PM
Reggie Bush? REGGIE BUSH?! (in Jim Mora's voice).

With some people, I guess it's the Detriot Lions way of doing things: "Hey! Let's get stud WR or stud RB or stud QB and we'll be unstoppable."

Not working out too well for Dee-Troit.

I can't believe that after seeing Carr, DD, and AJ finally click on all cylinders today, with an o line that I think only gave up one sack all day, that there would be some people who are still going to ask for Reggie Bush.

For me, it's either the biggest baddest o lineman (probably D'Brickashaw Ferguson) or it's the biggest baddest defensive player (AJ Hawk, no doubt).

Getting a stud offensive WR/QB/RB (pick whichever you may) is in no shape or fashion going to help this team get better.

We're all stocked up on high-paid QB/WR/RB. If I were spending those millions and millions on a top draft pick, I'm going with either o line or defense, especially at the LB spot where we are so very thin at and always have been.

texansfan1974
11-27-2005, 05:52 PM
I like Brickshaw and Hawk and I would be happy with either of them but, a bust can be a lineman or a linebacker (Bosworth) as well as runnig back. Your takin a chance on any pick. Reggie is that kind of back only comes once and awhile(Barry Sanders).

Corrosion
11-27-2005, 05:55 PM
I too have Nick Saban Diesase ..... 1-15 please :texflag:

TheTim5125
11-27-2005, 05:59 PM
Our Linebacker situation is not as bad as you think, remember Wong is hurt so he'll be back next year, were ok linebacker wise, we need O-line, another playmaker wouldn't be bad (i.e. Bush) secondary needs help. We can patch it together.

HoustonFan
11-27-2005, 06:04 PM
Getting a stud offensive WR/QB/RB (pick whichever you may) is in no shape or fashion going to help this team get better.

We're all stocked up on high-paid QB/WR/RB. If I were spending those millions and millions on a top draft pick, I'm going with either o line or defense, especially at the LB spot where we are so very thin at and always have been.

True. O-line has needed some upgrading for far too long.

GP
11-27-2005, 06:05 PM
Yeah, and Desmond Howard was the next Jerry Rice.

So much hype all year, and he even won the Heisman to top it all off.

He was the messiah.

And now he's...(fart noise, sustained for a long period of time)...nothing.

We need utility players, not flashy dashy one-hit wonders.

Look at Steelers: Ugly picks that just get in the trenches and do their jobs well, and on a consistent basis, helping the few star players rack up the wins.

Look at the Patriots: Same thing as the Steelers.

Those two teams are perrenial favorites for a singular reason: They make the ugly pick in the draft, knowing they already have enough star quality.

Give me a workhorse that doesn't get his name called or his face on the covers of magazines. Give me a utility player that just gets it done with no razzle dazzle.

Reggie's a talent, don't get me wrong. But we would be pulling a Dee-Troit if we go with the sexy pick. Logan Mankins is STARTING for the Patriots, who had the last pick in the draft...a great pick, and we could have had him. Oh, I know...I know...it's always easy to look back and make that pick.

And you are right. The only problem is this: An NFL team looked FORWARD and made that pick with the last pick of the first round.

I know it's shocking. I know. But I promise all of you that we can make the ugly pick (D'Brickashaw or Hawk) and come out a whole lot better off in the long-run without drafting the sexy Reggie Bush.

yaboycm
11-27-2005, 06:10 PM
There is no reason to win now. We can get REGGIE BUSH people.this is good news. Im a fan of our Texans, but might as well take the #1 pick.:texflag:
Speak the truth dude!!!!

This loss was awesome. We didn't want some meaningless win against the Rams to prevent us from drafting Bush.

htsone
11-27-2005, 06:15 PM
Do you really think that these morons are gonna stop losing? Is that a problem? These guys are utterly pathetic. As far as Bush? Heck yeah they draft him. DD will make good trade fodder for an OT/OG. Plus one FA, and you're in there.

hts

Honch Delgado
11-27-2005, 06:17 PM
I like Brickshaw and Hawk and I would be happy with either of them but, a bust can be a lineman or a linebacker (Bosworth) as well as runnig back. Your takin a chance on any pick. Reggie is that kind of back only comes once and awhile(Barry Sanders).

Tony Mandarich vs Barry Sanders anyone?

GP
11-27-2005, 06:18 PM
Wait a second!

You're the same person that had LEINART 06 as your signature.

Now, it's BUSH.

You hopped off that Leinart bandwagon pretty quick.

I guess when Bush began to get all the coverage and the hype, and it drifted away from Leinart, you decided to dance with a different partner.

That's the whole thing about the Reggie Bush backers. So much of it is an attempt to look smart, as if the obvious pick is Reggie Bush, and so because it "looks" like he's going to be the top pick, and it "looks" like the Texans will have the top pick, then by golly it's the smart thing to do and if the Texans don;t do it then you are smart and the Texans are not.

So much of this Reggie Bush politics that's going on right now is just a pure sham. Yes, he's talented. Yes, he will be successful in the NFL. And yes, he'll probably be successful immediately. But no, he's not the primary need of this team. And no, he doesn't play defense. And no, he doesn't keep NFL-sized defensive linemen off your QBs back.

Had the o line and Carr, and his receivers too, jelled all year like they did today...we'd be a whole lot better. Well, we have the chance to get a stud o lineman who can be that o line anchor on the QB's blindside...and all we hear is how Reggie Bush is the savior of the team.

He'll be the savior of some team that has a great o line and needs a star RB, but he won't be the savior of THIS team.

Sexy pick, but he stinks at doing laundry and cooking meals.

DRAMA
11-27-2005, 06:19 PM
I guess we can't win either way. If we want anyone besides Brick, we don't want what's best for the team and we're 'Bush-backers. If we say anything critical of Carr, we're "Carr-bashers." Why in the world, can I not want Reggie Bush for MY football team? It's my team, and for MY team, I want the home run threat. That's MY style of play preference for MY football team. Next thing, we get knocked because we didn't follow Bush in high-school. How in the world can anyone know enough about Brick to say he's our guy? He's been injured the whole season, had a bad game on TV the other day and I don't really think he has a website with his gamefilm for people to breakdown. So to say that we're *****s for wanting Bush but that everyone else has SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE on Brick is ridiculous!!

Has anyone watched Pitts play? How can you say that Brick is now our only choice? Weird!

Also, Kijana Carter = Reggie Bush? You blow your argument with those cracks. I like Dom but he's going to miss 3-4 games a year anyway and this draft is 8 deep at TACKLE alone!

Reggie Bush takes screens to the house? Dom is a nice little player and good to have on a team but his 4.65, chop feet style is fairly easy to replace. Also, I really like the Brick but Ferguson is in NO WAY an Ogden type lock. He may indeed become a GREAT TACKLE but to say that Bush is Kijana is just not intelligent.

Brick may become Pace
Bush may become Faulk

Looks to be a matter of preference. Either way, we certainly don't need to win anymore freaking games! This year, if you're not in the top 4 (Brick, Leinart, Bush, Hawk) well, you're not in good shape for trading down!

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 06:23 PM
:texflag: Does'nt Bush have to declare he's coming out first ? The use of a third on Morency makes it a little harder to take Bush . Thats even funnier since Wells plays more than he does .

Anyone who doubts that Bush is a special talent is not watching what I am . I don't know if I watched a more dominant all around game than the Fresno State game . He 's the most dangerous open field player player thats come around in awhile .

DRAMA
11-27-2005, 06:26 PM
:texflag: Anyone who doubts that Bush is a special talent is not watching what I am . I don't know if I watched a more dominant all around game than the Fresno State game . He 's the most dangerous open field player player thats come around in awhile .

I agree but I guess that makes me a Texan-hater, Carr-hater, Brick-hater Bush loving fanboy! :)

GP
11-27-2005, 06:34 PM
Not questioning the talent, just questioning the fit into what we have.

Without imploding this team, I don't see how we bring in a guy who will want the same ball as AJ and DD. And with all DD has done, in spite of our team's overall ugliness, I don't see how you pass up Ferguson and/or Hawk for something you already have.

We don't have a stud o lineman. We don't have a stud LB.

What is wrong with the ugly pick? Why does it the pick have to be the "obvious" candidate?

Tell that Tom Brady. Tell that to just about the majority of all NFL high-caliber talent who most likely didn't get drafted at #1 or #2 or #3, or even in the first round for that matter.

Ibar_Harry
11-27-2005, 06:48 PM
Reggie's a talent, don't get me wrong. But we would be pulling a Dee-Troit if we go with the sexy pick. Logan Mankins is STARTING for the Patriots, who had the last pick in the draft...a great pick, and we could have had him. Oh, I know...I know...it's always easy to look back and make that pick.

Oh, there were a lot of us around here knowing how he had protected Carr at Fresno State. But then Vinny was of the opinion he wouldn't help us even though we went on and on about his capablilities and his mean streak. There are a couple of senior O-linemen on the FSU team this year, but I doubt we take a look at them. They are silently good and you probably won't hear much about them. This is the end result of year two when Capers lost his aged defense to injuries and we have not recovered since that time. Most of you don't believe that, but that is the reality of what happened to this ball club. The Captain (Capers) had a ship, but it was sinking and there were no life boats available for the defensive crew.

Carr Bombed
11-27-2005, 06:50 PM
Not questioning the talent, just questioning the fit into what we have.

Without imploding this team, I don't see how we bring in a guy who will want the same ball as AJ and DD. And with all DD has done, in spite of our team's overall ugliness, I don't see how you pass up Ferguson and/or Hawk for something you already have.

We don't have a stud o lineman. We don't have a stud LB.

What is wrong with the ugly pick? Why does it the pick have to be the "obvious" candidate?

Tell that Tom Brady. Tell that to just about the majority of all NFL high-caliber talent who most likely didn't get drafted at #1 or #2 or #3, or even in the first round for that matter.

this team is about to go 1-15 changes are going to be made. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player available. As far as how bush fits on this team, he is a perfect fit, he is a great receiving threat out of the backfield. Defenses arn't exactly stacking the box to stop DD. He is injury prone and doesn't have the speed to get to the outside or take it to the house. Bush would open up the entire offense.

J-Storm
11-27-2005, 07:53 PM
this team is about to go 1-15 changes are going to be made. When you have the #1 pick you take the best player available 'that suits your system'. As far as how bush fits on this team, he is a perfect fit, he is a great receiving threat out of the backfield. Defenses arn't exactly stacking the box to stop DD. He is injury prone and doesn't have the speed to get to the outside or take it to the house. Bush would open up the entire offense.

Well the Rams 3rd string QB suits their system and it showed today. Bush won't fit this system and that's BLEEDIN' obvious without even playing 1 down for us!!!

DRAMA
11-27-2005, 08:31 PM
Remember, we will NOT have this system in place next year.

houstonhurricane
11-27-2005, 08:37 PM
Bush is an incredible talent that would be a great fit with Carr, DD and AJ. I really like what Pitts is doing at LT and think we could grab a solid guard in the second round. However, I do like Hawk as well - but he is not worthy of the overall number one. If that want to trade down a couple of spots to get him, that might work as well.

Trust me, in five years both Bush and Hawk will be studs in the NFL...

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 08:59 PM
:texflag: Thats the thing with this team ... the only one that seems to be worth a new contract is Pitts . DD is a good player he would be an awesome 2nd back , but he's not a gamebreaker .

AJ is a gamebreaker and if you could add a Bush or another threat ... you better have someone who's scheme will use them .

Carr Bombed
11-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Well the Rams 3rd string QB suits their system and it showed today. Bush won't fit this system and that's BLEEDIN' obvious without even playing 1 down for us!!!

How is it so BLEEDING obvious. There's a reason why we struggle on offense and defenses are free to pin their ears back. Outside of AJ we have no playmakers on offense. Go talk to san diego and talk to them about what a talented rb can do for your team, remember San Diego used to have the worst Oline in the league, than they got LT. Its funny how a good runningback can make your whole team look good. He won the game for them today. We need PLAYMAKERS and when you have the #1 ovrl. pick you take the biggest playmaker to come out in quite awhile, unless someone offers you a unbelievable trade you can't turn down. You don't reach on a player to fill a need, you take a chance on a player that can turn your whole franchise around. We can take a OT in the 2nd.

J-Storm
11-27-2005, 10:27 PM
How is it so BLEEDING obvious. There's a reason why we struggle on offense and defenses are free to pin their ears back. Outside of AJ we have no playmakers on offense. Go talk to san diego and talk to them about what a talented rb can do for your team, remember San Diego used to have the worst Oline in the league, than they got LT. Its funny how a good runningback can make your whole team look good. He won the game for them today. We need PLAYMAKERS and when you have the #1 ovrl. pick you take the biggest playmaker to come out in quite awhile, unless someone offers you a unbelievable trade you can't turn down. You don't reach on a player to fill a need, you take a chance on a player that can turn your whole franchise around. We can take a OT in the 2nd.

That's your opinion (which you're entitled to) and it differs from mine. Sorry but I doubt having Tom Brady and Ladanian Tomlinson behind this O-Line would make any difference. You can't expect Pitts to pass block, run block and do everything else that the rest of the team should be doing.

I agree we need a 'playmaker' but I would prefer to have a TE that we can use effectively like a Shockey, Gates or Gonzalez. I just don't see that we need Reggie Bush for that and I'm fine with my choice. You want him, that's fine by me, just don't whine n' moan when he doesn't produce because he doesn't have the O-Line to protect him so he can make the big plays you expect!

Wolf
11-27-2005, 10:32 PM
That's your opinion (which you're entitled to) and it differs from mine. Sorry but I doubt having Tom Brady and Ladanian Tomlinson behind this O-Line would make any difference. You can't expect Pitts to pass block, run block and do everything else that the rest of the team should be doing.

I agree we need a 'playmaker' but I would prefer to have a TE that we can use effectively like a Shockey, Gates or Gonzalez. I just don't see that we need Reggie Bush for that and I'm fine with my choice. You want him, that's fine by me, just don't whine n' moan when he doesn't produce because he doesn't have the O-Line to protect him so he can make the big plays you expect!

I agree..but all I can say this offseason we better upgrade our OL.. get a legit #2 WR and get a TE. I personally could live with DD until Peterson comes out in a couple of years :heh:

J-Storm
11-27-2005, 10:47 PM
How is it so BLEEDING obvious. There's a reason why we struggle on offense and defenses are free to pin their ears back. Outside of AJ we have no playmakers on offense. Go talk to san diego and talk to them about what a talented rb can do for your team, remember San Diego used to have the worst Oline in the league, than they got LT. Its funny how a good runningback can make your whole team look good. He won the game for them today. We need PLAYMAKERS and when you have the #1 ovrl. pick you take the biggest playmaker to come out in quite awhile, unless someone offers you a unbelievable trade you can't turn down. You don't reach on a player to fill a need, you take a chance on a player that can turn your whole franchise around. We can take a OT in the 2nd.

Ooops! I forgot I should really answer the Q you asked about how is it BLEEDIN' obv right? Well I look at it this way, "It's part of the 5 yr plan." Last time I looked at #s the right way, 4 was before 5 which means this group of 'wannabe administrators' will be here until at least the end of next season, God help us all. With that in mind, now my statement should make more sense as to why it's that obvious...

Carr Bombed
11-27-2005, 10:53 PM
the 5 year plan is done, its over and this group of clowns are on their way out.

Another thing its funny how people say Bush wouldn't be able to produce behind this line, but a 4th rounder with no break away speed can...Hmm.

I also wouldn't mind having a TE, but if I had to choose I'll choose a player thats going to atleast get 20 touches a game, not just a handful and could be a factor in both running and passing plays.

yaboycm
11-29-2005, 12:36 AM
Wait a second!

You're the same person that had LEINART 06 as your signature.

Now, it's BUSH.

You hopped off that Leinart bandwagon pretty quick.

I guess when Bush began to get all the coverage and the hype, and it drifted away from Leinart, you decided to dance with a different partner.

That's the whole thing about the Reggie Bush backers. So much of it is an attempt to look smart, as if the obvious pick is Reggie Bush, and so because it "looks" like he's going to be the top pick, and it "looks" like the Texans will have the top pick, then by golly it's the smart thing to do and if the Texans don;t do it then you are smart and the Texans are not.

So much of this Reggie Bush politics that's going on right now is just a pure sham. Yes, he's talented. Yes, he will be successful in the NFL. And yes, he'll probably be successful immediately. But no, he's not the primary need of this team. And no, he doesn't play defense. And no, he doesn't keep NFL-sized defensive linemen off your QBs back.

Had the o line and Carr, and his receivers too, jelled all year like they did today...we'd be a whole lot better. Well, we have the chance to get a stud o lineman who can be that o line anchor on the QB's blindside...and all we hear is how Reggie Bush is the savior of the team.

He'll be the savior of some team that has a great o line and needs a star RB, but he won't be the savior of THIS team.

Sexy pick, but he stinks at doing laundry and cooking meals.
No, I just want Bush 06 and Vincent Young as the quarterback in 07.
Although, I would gladly take Leinart 06 Ramonce Taylor 07

yaboycm
11-29-2005, 12:38 AM
I can't believe that after seeing Carr, DD, and AJ finally click on all cylinders today, with an o line that I think only gave up one sack all day, that there would be some people who are still going to ask for Reggie Bush.


THEY WERE PLAYING AGAINST THE 3rd and 4th string CORNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!............................. ....................And still LOST

Napa Auto Parts
11-29-2005, 12:56 AM
THEY WERE PLAYING AGAINST THE 3rd and 4th string CORNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................................. ................And still LOST



That doesnt matter to some people and see the game as coming out party for Carr:ok: they dont realize the corners the rams had out there make phillip Buchanon look like Champ Bailey.

J-Storm
11-29-2005, 03:05 AM
[QUOTE=yaboycm]THEY WERE PLAYING AGAINST THE 3rd and 4th string CORNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................................. ................And still LOST

First of all, we're not blind! We can see what you're saying w/out half the msgboard being taken up by the size of your statement (if it was a quality statement that would be different).

No one said Carr was Peyton Manning like. We just liked the way he looked when allowed to do his thing. At least we know now that he can make some plays (albeit against a weak defense), and now we want to see that eventuate into something against a quality D!

How many people would have ripped Favre for doing the same thing against that D of the Rams, probably not a soul. We're only making a big deal out of it here because it's David Carr (who some, not all, just some like to rip on because after all he cost us the game again right :wacko: ) and Reggie Bush is going to be the saviour to this franchise and have a Superbowl victory for us next season :sarcasm:

yaboycm
11-29-2005, 02:54 PM
First of all, we're not blind! We can see what you're saying w/out half the msgboard being taken up by the size of your statement (if it was a quality statement that would be different).

No one said Carr was Peyton Manning like. We just liked the way he looked when allowed to do his thing. At least we know now that he can make some plays (albeit against a weak defense), and now we want to see that eventuate into something against a quality D!

How many people would have ripped Favre for doing the same thing against that D of the Rams, probably not a soul. We're only making a big deal out of it here because it's David Carr (who some, not all, just some like to rip on because after all he cost us the game again right :wacko: ) and Reggie Bush is going to be the saviour to this franchise and have a Superbowl victory for us next season :sarcasm:

He can be decent against third, fourth, and fifth string corners. Let's sign him up. Sounds like a good quarterback to have.

Vinny
11-29-2005, 03:14 PM
dood, we can read normal print. I cut down some of your post so it doesn't throw the thread out of whack.

Texas_Thrill
11-29-2005, 03:40 PM
Let's face it guys....when you have the NUMBER ONE PICK. There is NO WRONG pick at this point.