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Nighthawk
11-27-2005, 04:16 PM
It's time. It's past time. This team showed you again today what it is made of, and what it is made of I can't say on this message board. It's a sad team, sad-sack team, a mess, total chaos, completely devoid of discipline, order, authority, power, control, focus, and yes, even talent.

If I were you I'd start at the top. Cut Casserly and Capers immediately. It can't hurt. If Pendry wants to be a caretaker, let him hang around, but I expect in a show of devotion to Capers (remember, he took the OC position to "win for Dom") Pendry will resign. Doesn't matter. You need a caretaker who might have some hope of staying with the team. You know who they are.

Then you probably ought to have a meeting with whoever hangs around and tell them what you want out of the rest of the season. What you want is an extended preseason, where everybody gets a chance. Ragone. What if he's as good as the Fitzgerald guy that tore up your D today? Or Banks, maybe he's better than we imagined. And Armstrong, and . . . you make the list. Everybody Plays should be the motto for the final games.

And Carr. I'm afraid we have to admit Carr is a write-off. Maybe he had all the talent in the world and the Texans ruined him, or maybe his talent was overestimated from jump streeet, but the fact is HE DOESN'T HAVE IT NOW. It's as simple as that. If you can turn him into draft picks he could actually help this team next year, else he's just a big fat vacuum on your wallet. He'll beat you by tossing interceptions, by pulling the ball down and running a yard or two, by not sensing the pocket, by not seeing his receivers, by falling down when a D lineman coughs at him. He can beat you so many ways. Sure, he's got a great (if not always accurate) arm, and he'd kill in a sandlot game. But here in the bigs the boy is a washout.

So there you have it, sir. The Sunday Night Report. I hope you're already hard at it, working the phones. Thanksgiving is over so you don't have to hesitate to retain your classy guy status.

Oh, one more thing. While you're on the phone, please call Jimmy. I have a feeling he's ready to work again.

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 04:18 PM
Carr is not a right off and JIMMY SUCKS! Jimmy had one decent draft with 14 billion picks because Minnesota was so stupid.

PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS JIMMY JOHNSON, LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH MIAMI AND REGULAR DRAFT PICKS!

Give Carr an O-line, get a defense that knows how to cover and get a competent coaching staff and GM. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER!!

Wharton
11-27-2005, 04:22 PM
ROFL at Goldeagle - you so funny!

NFLforher
11-27-2005, 04:22 PM
Carr is not a right off and JIMMY SUCKS! Jimmy had one decent draft with 14 billion picks because Minnesota was so stupid.

PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS JIMMY JOHNSON, LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH MIAMI AND REGULAR DRAFT PICKS!

Give Carr an O-line, get a defense that knows how to cover and get a competent coaching staff and GM. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER!!


What about Pete?

gwallaia
11-27-2005, 04:23 PM
No matter who McNair picks for the next head coach one thing will be for certain. He cannot possibly be worse than Capers.

I'm convinced Ed Biles would be better than Capers.

tulexan
11-27-2005, 04:24 PM
Pete is not leaving Southern Cal. He has no reason to do so.

FirstTexansFan
11-27-2005, 04:24 PM
I agree with most of your posting NH, but I'm not a Carr hater at all. He performed well enough in this game. The problem is, you have a coach that will sit on a lead instead of turning the offense loose and allowing them to put it out of reach. I'm reminded of a quarterback from California named Dan Pastorini. Most of us older guys remember him. He came out of college with all the accolades, but then played for an Oilers team that allowed him to be just plowed under the turf for most of his career. It ruined him. I still hold out hope that this isn't the case with Carr. If we can firm up our offensive line, I believe he's quite capable of making good decisions. I don't believe Roger Staubach, or Terry Bradshaw, or even the exalted Joe Montana would be any more successful with this team than Carr has. As for your opinion GE, I disagree completely. Jimmy Johnson IS the answer. And if I'm wrong, you can come post 3yrs from now and tell me I told ya so LOL

Napa Auto Parts
11-27-2005, 04:26 PM
How about we all pitch in for a big add in the chronicle to run for a week or so
asking For casserly and Capers to be fired i dont think mcnair could ignore that.

Snapple
11-27-2005, 04:27 PM
Jimmy Johnson was a good drafter in Dallas, but a terrible, horrible drafter in Miami. I can't remember how many draft picks he wasted on running backs. One year, he drafted FIVE RUNNING BACKS, and they ALL failed. Eventually, they traded for Ricky, but Jimmy hasn't had an eye for college talent in a decade.

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 04:29 PM
FIRSTTEXANSFAN

Great post, in fact many people in the NFL have said the same about no QB in this league could have anymore success than Carr has with this team. Tony Dungy even said a few weeks back that not even his guy Peyton Manning would have success with this team.
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NAPA

LOL, that is an idea!

Nighthawk
11-27-2005, 04:34 PM
Lord save us from the Carr Fannyboys! What is it with you guys?

David Carr is a loss farm with a big arm and almost nothing else. He had a pretty good half of football today, and that's the first pretty good half he's had all year!

And today he was outplayed by a third string QB apparently making his first appearance or first start in an NFL game.

Handwriting is on wall folks.

NFLforher
11-27-2005, 04:34 PM
How about we all pitch in for a big add in the chronicle to run for a week or so
asking For casserly and Capers to be fired i dont think mcnair could ignore that.

Count me in.

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 04:36 PM
So Carr is at fault now for our Defense not being able to stop a 3rd stringer??

Got it:

CARRS FAULTS:

Does not pass block
Does not pick up the blitz
Does not catch his passes
Tips balls in the air
does not look for the ball
AND NOW!!!!!
Does not stop the 3rd string QB on other teams!

Yeah, Carr sucks, how could HE let that 3rd stringer make those passes, he should have come off the sidelines and made a few blindside hits or had a mirror to reflect light in the eyes of the 3rd stringer.

HoustonFan
11-27-2005, 04:37 PM
Defense got beat by a Harvard QB. :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
UN-FREAKIN' BELIEVABLE!!!!!

FirstTexansFan
11-27-2005, 04:38 PM
And today he was outplayed by a third string QB apparently making his first appearance or first start in an NFL game.


You mean to tell me that was David Carr out there on Defense when they gave up those TEN points? :) I bet that lowlife was also calling the offensive plays during the game too! Well by gawd that sucker may even be the elusive man on the grassyknoll, or better yet, SATAN! I hate him! ;)

GP
11-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Great players make coaches look better than they are.

It's just being in the right place at the right time.

The Jimmy Johnsons of the NFL do one thing well: They utilize their talent when it is given to them. They never squander it, and they pull out maximum effort to get the job done when it counts. JJ had great talent for roughly five years, and he came out looking pretty good.

The Dom Capers of the NFL do one thing well: They sqaunder ALL talent. Even if he was given great talent, we'd still be 8-8 over a five year period. They have the ability to hang tough, but never the ability to drive home the stake into the hearts of other teams.

Gruden.
Billick.
JJ.
Gibbs.
Belichick.
Cowher.
Fisher.

These guys have coached teams to the Super Bowl, and they are not nice people. They are downright mean when it comes to how they approach in-game strategy. Consider Dungy, as well. They are up by a ton of points almost every game, and he KEEPS Peyton on the field to score more, and more, and more, until it just looks nasty. Those guys listed above are not in the same league as other head coaches like June Jones, Wannstedt, Mariucci, etc., who all are/were just a bunch of geeks who have no killer instinct whatsoever.

There is not that killer instinct, humiliate your opponent attitude with the Dom Capers' of the world.

They are stuck in that old-school gentlemanly thing where you trade punches all game long and "keep it close to win it" mentality.

Today's NFL is brutal. You MUST have a killer instinct, and this team in Houston--be it the Oilers or the Texans--has only had one such coach who is in the same league as those listed above (and he wasn't even the HEAD coach at the time: Buddy Ryan).

Nice guys finish last in today's NFL.

HoustonFan
11-27-2005, 04:44 PM
You mean to tell me that was David Carr out there on Defense when they gave up those TEN points? :)

Didn't watch the game, but last I remember a QB didn't play on defense against the other QB.

Another thing that got me was that an interim coaching staff came and out coached us. :brickwall :brickwall

cuppacoffee
11-27-2005, 04:53 PM
Didn't watch the game, but last I remember a QB didn't play on defense against the other QB.

]Another thing that got me was that an interim coaching staff came and out coached us. :brickwall :brickwall

Notice you didn't use the word 'suprised' here. :)

NFLforher
11-27-2005, 04:56 PM
Pete is not leaving Southern Cal. He has no reason to do so.

I know. At least I have the Trojans.

Johnny Utah
11-27-2005, 04:56 PM
Carr is not a right off and JIMMY SUCKS! Jimmy had one decent draft with 14 billion picks because Minnesota was so stupid.

PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS JIMMY JOHNSON, LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH MIAMI AND REGULAR DRAFT PICKS!

Give Carr an O-line, get a defense that knows how to cover and get a competent coaching staff and GM. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER!!

Jimmy Johnson record in Miami -
1996 8-8
1997 9-7
1998 10-6
1999 9-7

I wouldn't say that he sucked in Miami.

HoustonFan
11-27-2005, 04:59 PM
Jimmy Johnson record in Miami -
1996 8-8
1997 9-7
1998 10-6
1999 9-7

I wouldn't say that he sucked in Miami.

Yeah, especially when compared to Dom Capers in Houston -
2002 4-12
2003 5-11
2004 7-9
2005 1-10 and counting

I dunno, but it looks to me like Jimmy Johnson had a winning record overall in Miami.

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 05:00 PM
:texflag: Jimmy also built the best team in the last 20 years . At least he has some scoreboard to crow about . Did he win a NCAA championship also . I know thats no Fresno State but its close .

Dubya
11-27-2005, 05:00 PM
Carr went 25/34 for 293 yds and 3 TDs and the loss is still his fault. He must've put rohypnol in the defense's Gatorade, because that's the only way to explain how he's responsible for the defense getting violated like they did.

Malloy
11-27-2005, 05:00 PM
Jimmy Johnson record in Miami -
1996 8-8
1997 9-7
1998 10-6
1999 9-7

I wouldn't say that he sucked in Miami.

he were referring to draft picks, not record?

Malloy
11-27-2005, 05:02 PM
Not being able to make more than one FG in the second half did put pressure on our swiss-cheese defense.

Hervoyel
11-27-2005, 05:09 PM
he were referring to draft picks, not record?


Yes he was, and he still didn't know what he was talking about.

bckey
11-27-2005, 05:15 PM
he were referring to draft picks, not record?


Here are the picks for those 4 years:

1999 1 2 8 39 J.J. Johnson RB Mississippi State
2 2 12 43 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
3 3 11 72 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
4 5 1 134 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
5 5 9 142 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
6 6 23 192 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
7 7 26 232 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
8 7 38 244 Joe Wong G Brigham Young

1998 1 1 29 29 John Avery RB Mississippi
2 2 14 44 Patrick Surtain DB Southern Mississippi
3 2 19 49 Kenny Mixon DE Louisiana State
4 3 18 79 Brad Jackson LB Cincinnati
5 3 21 82 Larry Shannon WR East Carolina
6 4 10 102 Lorenzo Bromell DT Clemson
7 5 20 143 Scott Shaw G Michigan State
8 6 18 171 Nathan Strikwerda C Northwestern
9 6 19 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
10 7 21 210 Jim Bundren G Clemson

1997 1 1 15 15 Yatil Green WR Miami (FL)
2 2 14 44 Sam Madison DB Louisville
3 3 13 73 Jason Taylor DE Akron
4 3 32 92 Derrick Rodgers LB Arizona State
5 3 33 93 Ronnie Ward LB Kansas
6 3 36 96 Brent Smith T Mississippi State
7 4 25 121 Jerome Daniels G Northeastern
8 5 19 149 Barron Tanner DT Oklahoma
9 5 27 157 Nick Lopez DE Texas Southern
10 6 3 166 John Fiala LB Washington
11 6 7 170 Brian Manning WR Stanford
12 6 10 173 Mike Crawford LB Nevada
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry TE James Madison
14 7 2 203 Hudhaifa Ismaeli DB Northwestern

1996 1 1 20 20 Daryl Gardener DT Baylor
2 3 18 79 Dorian Brew DB Kansas
3 3 19 80 Karim Abdul-Jabbar RB UCLA
4 4 18 113 Kirk Pointer DB Austin Peay
5 4 23 118 Stanley Pritchett RB South Carolina
6 4 30 125 LaCurtis Jones LB Baylor
7 5 2 134 Jerris McPhail RB East Carolina
8 5 18 150 Shane Burton DT Tennessee
9 5 22 154 Zach Thomas LB Texas Tech
10 6 22 189 Shawn Wooden DB Notre Dame
11 7 21 230 Jeff Buckey G Stanford
12 7 42 251 Brice Hunter WR Georgia

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 05:29 PM
:texflag: Hey.... he drafted the 2nd leading scorer in NBA history in the 3rd round.

Goldeagle
11-27-2005, 06:56 PM
Yes he was, and he still didn't know what he was talking about.


Whatever, *****

Wolf
11-27-2005, 07:05 PM
Here are the picks for those 4 years:

1999 1 2 8 39 J.J. Johnson RB Mississippi State
2 2 12 43 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
3 3 11 72 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
4 5 1 134 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
5 5 9 142 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
6 6 23 192 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
7 7 26 232 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
8 7 38 244 Joe Wong G Brigham Young

1998 1 1 29 29 John Avery RB Mississippi
2 2 14 44 Patrick Surtain DB Southern Mississippi
3 2 19 49 Kenny Mixon DE Louisiana State
4 3 18 79 Brad Jackson LB Cincinnati
5 3 21 82 Larry Shannon WR East Carolina
6 4 10 102 Lorenzo Bromell DT Clemson
7 5 20 143 Scott Shaw G Michigan State
8 6 18 171 Nathan Strikwerda C Northwestern
9 6 19 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
10 7 21 210 Jim Bundren G Clemson

1997 1 1 15 15 Yatil Green WR Miami (FL)
2 2 14 44 Sam Madison DB Louisville
3 3 13 73 Jason Taylor DE Akron
4 3 32 92 Derrick Rodgers LB Arizona State
5 3 33 93 Ronnie Ward LB Kansas
6 3 36 96 Brent Smith T Mississippi State
7 4 25 121 Jerome Daniels G Northeastern
8 5 19 149 Barron Tanner DT Oklahoma
9 5 27 157 Nick Lopez DE Texas Southern
10 6 3 166 John Fiala LB Washington
11 6 7 170 Brian Manning WR Stanford
12 6 10 173 Mike Crawford LB Nevada
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry TE James Madison
14 7 2 203 Hudhaifa Ismaeli DB Northwestern

1996 1 1 20 20 Daryl Gardener DT Baylor
2 3 18 79 Dorian Brew DB Kansas
3 3 19 80 Karim Abdul-Jabbar RB UCLA
4 4 18 113 Kirk Pointer DB Austin Peay
5 4 23 118 Stanley Pritchett RB South Carolina
6 4 30 125 LaCurtis Jones LB Baylor
7 5 2 134 Jerris McPhail RB East Carolina
8 5 18 150 Shane Burton DT Tennessee
9 5 22 154 Zach Thomas LB Texas Tech
10 6 22 189 Shawn Wooden DB Notre Dame
11 7 21 230 Jeff Buckey G Stanford
12 7 42 251 Brice Hunter WR Georgia

if I am not mistaken Jimmy had some probowler that he drafted.. we had 1

tex
11-27-2005, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=Goldeagle]. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER

If he's so good what's he doing on the pregame shows and not on the sidelines

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 07:43 PM
:texflag: JJ gets paid a ton of money cut'n up with Howie and Terry ... and then going back to the boat . Which would you pick Tex ?

rittenhouserobz
11-27-2005, 07:44 PM
There is no doubt JJ would do a better job than Capers, but I don't think he is interested in this job. I am just waiting for the draft at this point. My interest in football has diminished to checking stats for my fantasy league and that is about it.

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 07:47 PM
:texflag: JJ as President of Football operations . Jeff Fisher as coach .

Texan Gal 312
11-27-2005, 07:56 PM
Not being able to make more than one FG in the second half did put pressure on our swiss-cheese defense.


We had three possessions in the second half. Missed Field Goal, Davis does not look for pass and it bounces off his hands for an interception and the FG.

The not being able part was directly related to the defense being unable to handle the third stringer from Harvard !

houstonhurricane
11-27-2005, 07:58 PM
Carr played his best game as a Texan today. That being said, I am not sure this team should/or can afford to offer him an $8 million bonus based on one game against the most inexperienced secondary in the NFL. Let's give him a few more games to see where he is at. If he is solid against Baltimore next week and Jax at the end of the year, he may earn his right to stay put.

I do agree that it is time to start making changes. If we are going to fire the coaching staff then do it now. If Casserly is going then do it now. Also, let's play some of the younger guys to see what they have to offer for the future - if anything...

TexanBacker93
11-27-2005, 08:08 PM
McNair should definitely reach for the phone. Personally, I would like to see Gary Kubiak. I get fearful of retreads that have already had a few stops. I'd rather give a chance to a young hungry coach that has been around a winning organization for 20 years. He's been to Super Bowls as a player. He's won Super Bowls as an assistant coach. He's been offensive coordinator for a top 5 offense. He's worked closely with a Hall of Fame QB. He'd be the best thing for the offense.

Hervoyel
11-27-2005, 08:13 PM
Carr is not a right off and JIMMY SUCKS! Jimmy had one decent draft with 14 billion picks because Minnesota was so stupid.

PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS JIMMY JOHNSON, LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH MIAMI AND REGULAR DRAFT PICKS!

Give Carr an O-line, get a defense that knows how to cover and get a competent coaching staff and GM. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER!!

Fine, Whatever.

You are correct that Carr is not a "right off". He's not a "left off" either. Nor should he be "written off" which is probably what you meant to say.

Jimmy does not "suck" as you so succinctly put it. Jimmy is a consistant winner who has won in every single place he's coached. He rebuilt and then led the Cowboys to two Super Bowl wins in 1992 and 1993 and is arguably responsible for their win in 1995 as well since Barry Switzer basically got out of the way and let Jimmy's team do what it already knew how to do.

Johnson and the Cowboys had much more than one decent draft with "14 billion picks" in it. He drafted pretty well every single year he was there and his early picks in Dallas seem to benefit more from the very lousy seasons they were coming off of than from sheer number of selections.

In Miami Jimmy Johnson coached from 1996-1999 and as has already been pointed out he never once finished with a less than .500 record despite the fact that he was forced to do everything around Dan "The Untouchable Legacy" Marino. The Dolphins teams he coached always lacked the running game to compliment Marino's passing but that wasn't exactly something that only happened while Jimmy Johnson was at the helm. For a decade Don Shula was unable to find a running back to take some of the load off of Marino. I suppose Shula sucked too huh? Johnson only coached the Dolphins for four years and then retired. Much of the talk surrounding his retirement focused on the frustration he experienced in Miami from coaching a team (specifically the offense) that he couldn't truly rebuild the way he wanted to.

What did the team, made up of many of his players do after he left and Marino (finally) retired?

11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6. Granted the farther away from Jimmy Johnson you get the less credit you can give him for anything related to the team but clearly he built something in his time there. The thing doesn't blow up until Ricky Williams goes nuts and walks away from football. The big change that Wannasted made turned out to be adding the running back that Johnson was looking for and the freedom to do something other than feature Dan "feet of stone" Marino.

Yes get Carr an O-line and get the team a defense that knows how to cover. By all means get the Texans the things they need to succeed. That is completely correct and I can't help but agree with you Goldeagle. All that other stuff about Jimmy Johnson was just drivel though. If you don't think he's right for the Texans then that's fine. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. No need to go over the top saying things that aren't true though.

Hey it's probably a moot point anyway. I doubt he takes the job if it's offered. Bringing the Texans back from the dead isn't going to be much fun.

StarStruck
11-27-2005, 08:26 PM
They are stuck in that old-school gentlemanly thing where you trade punches all game long and "keep it close to win it" mentality.

Today's NFL is brutal. You MUST have a killer instinct, and this team in Houston--be it the Oilers or the Texans--has only had one such coach who is in the same league as those listed above (and he wasn't even the HEAD coach at the time: Buddy Ryan).

Nice guys finish last in today's NFL.

There are major penalties in place now for some of the plays old school coaches and players would call and play.