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Ryan
11-25-2005, 04:46 PM
As it seems that Reggie Bush is the best player in the upcoming draft and now officially gonna be the heisman trophy winner(bc of Vince Young's performance), will he be the best fit for the texans?

Carr Bombed
11-25-2005, 05:03 PM
the new regime that is comming in has no loyalty to any of our current players so no matter any contract status, no players job is safe. Plus drafting Bush would generate alot of buzz and help sell tickets for next season which is something this team needs

texplayer2
11-25-2005, 05:07 PM
I think he has been a better fit than Young the entire season. Not due to the awards he will receive in college, but because he has the versatility to improve our team. And Young might well be the best fit for our team next year. We also need to improve our line play on both sides of the ball. Our line is inconsistent and our (pass rush/ turnovers?)defense isn't helping us. We need Leadership on both sides of the ball. In this draft though, Bush is the most explosive and comes with a win at all cost attitude.

MorKnolle
11-25-2005, 05:24 PM
Bush would be a great talent to draft although if we draft him I think he would fit in better at WR. I still think we need to draft an elite OL though.

Honoring Earl 34
11-25-2005, 05:50 PM
:texflag: I think you play Bush like Marshall Faulk ... except he gets more plays at WR.

texan279
11-25-2005, 06:00 PM
Note to Texans front office...No Reggie Bush!

GP
11-25-2005, 06:55 PM
With three high-paid stars (Carr, DD, AJ)...how in the world do we take on that guy and survive the cap?

Or, how we do we deal DD to another team because Bush is most likely a RB primarily and no NFL star (see Travis Henry vs. Willis McGahee) is going to stand for a team bringing in a top 3 player when it's been THEIR position for so long.

Bush is out-of-this-world talented, but the only way I see him coming here is if the new HC and his staff completely IMPLODE this team, trading Carr and DD for talent and/or draft picks....and then building an O line around it all via trades/draft picks.

I just don't see Bush mixed in with this current group of core players. Too many people who need to get the ball in their hands...and no QB who can get it to them either because of his bad play or the o line's bad protection.

You could draft all the best players in the world and it doesn't matter if our o line and QB can't get them the ball. Surely a new HC and his staff sees the same thing?

I've said it, and I'll say it again: "Draft the biggest and baddest o lineman available with your first pick. Then, with your next pick...draft the next biggest and baddest o lineman available. Repeat those steps all weekend long. But feel free to use the last pick on anybody you choose. That's my way of saying 'Good job for sticking to the plan.'"

Hervoyel
11-25-2005, 07:17 PM
With three high-paid stars (Carr, DD, AJ)...how in the world do we take on that guy and survive the cap?

In this scenario I think Domanick Davis goes away. If I were convinced completely that Reggie Bush was a once in a decade kind of back who could take over any game he entered then I'd pick Reggie Bush in the draft (assuming he was there when the Texans picked.... What am I saying, everybody is going to be there when the Texans pick). Then I would no longer need the services of one Domanick Davis.

Would I like to keep him in case I'm wrong about Reggie Bush? Yeah I guess I would. If I couldn't afford to though I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. Jonathan Wells can get me roughly 1,000 yards if Reggie is a bust and I'll be fired as GM if it turns out that way regardless so it won't be my problem.

What I'd try to do is see if I could find a team that was willing ot give up their 1 for Davis plus one of my 3's. If necessary Davis plus my 2. If Casserly is the deal monster that he thinks he is then he should be able to make a trade, get back into the middle of the first round, and get us that LT we need.

Use the other 3 to get us a TE on the first day. It could be done.

tulexan
11-25-2005, 07:21 PM
I'm not saying that Reggie Bush is the best fit necessarily because I think that unless we address the OL through FA that we should pick D'Brick, but I think that Reggie Bush could have the same effect on the Texans that Michael Vick had on the Falcons. Vick turned a Falcons team that nobody wanted to watch into a must watch team. I'm not saying that Reggie Bush is going to be the most dominant player in the league, but he does have the same kind of buzz that Michael Vick has.

Honoring Earl 34
11-25-2005, 08:10 PM
:texflag: I don't know if you pick Bush or not but a team that has laid down like the Texans could sure use a guy used to winning .
I would take a good hard look at this team as it stands and probably decide that half of these players will not be here in two years . That being said this is a good year for the OL . I would try to take three of the top twenty OL .

HJam72
11-25-2005, 08:25 PM
Ferguson and Pitts. One plays LT, the other plays RT. After that, more O-line. And after that, more O-line.

Can we draft a HC? :)

barzilla
11-25-2005, 10:03 PM
:texflag: I don't know if you pick Bush or not but a team that has laid down like the Texans could sure use a guy used to winning .
I would take a good hard look at this team as it stands and probably decide that half of these players will not be here in two years . That being said this is a good year for the OL . I would try to take three of the top twenty OL .

Everyone that is drafted in the first round (or the first overall pick) is used to winning. The whole point is that you don't get cute with this pick. If Bush grades out to be head and shoulders above any other college player then you take him. Do the DD trade as was pointed earlier or do something else. When you get the number one pick you need to pick the best player available. If there is no best player available then you trade down.

GoBlue
11-25-2005, 11:07 PM
I've said it, and I'll say it again: "Draft the biggest and baddest o lineman available with your first pick. Then, with your next pick...draft the next biggest and baddest o lineman available. Repeat those steps all weekend long. But feel free to use the last pick on anybody you choose. That's my way of saying 'Good job for sticking to the plan.'"[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. Since losing Bocelli we haven't gone back to building the team from the O-line out. Time to try again with the 2006 Draft. Imagine a world without Victor Riley, Todd Wade, and Seth Wand. Keep Pitts, Hodgon, and maybe Weigert. The rookies can fill in the gaps and back-up the rest of the line in case they get hurt.

Plenty of time to draft skill players in 2007.

touttail
11-25-2005, 11:54 PM
I think we could get some good draft picks by moving up in the draft. Some teams will give up the farm for Bush or Leinhart!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Texans_Chick
11-26-2005, 12:14 AM
Ran across something that says Reggie Bush might need to get surgery after the season is done for his shoulder:

Click here and read down (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/368309p-313372c.html)

I am some of the same concerns about spending this much cap money on a guy who may not be the schizzle in the NFL when we have so many needs.

This is not to say that the Texans may not be tempted to get him. It is going to be really tempting to get flashy players in the draft to get people to pay for tickets next season.

The PSL people are pretty much stuck unless they want to give them back to the Texans (which some of them do). As I understand it, some club level seats people cannot even GIVE their PSL's away because the contracts on those require you to pay for the seats for a certain number of years--so you can't just not pay for your seat to get rid of it. The face value of those is so high, you can't sell them easily for face.

And the Texans are going to have a hard time keeping people in the 600s non-PSL seats.

So, that being said, and knowing the "customer service" oriented staff, I betcha they look for a high profile coach that can help sell tickets and flashy draft picks. Bush is obviously pretty flashy. But I am just speculating. You can try to get a name guy to coach, but isn't easy to bring him to our situation without the boatload of cash.

gg no re
11-26-2005, 01:11 AM
Plus drafting Bush would generate alot of buzz and help sell tickets for next season which is something this team needsDan Snyder Economics 101.

texan279
11-26-2005, 01:17 AM
Ran across something that says Reggie Bush might need to get surgery after the season is done for his shoulder:

Click here and read down (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/368309p-313372c.html)

I am some of the same concerns about spending this much cap money on a guy who may not be the schizzle in the NFL when we have so many needs.

This is not to say that the Texans may not be tempted to get him. It is going to be really tempting to get flashy players in the draft to get people to pay for tickets next season.

The PSL people are pretty much stuck unless they want to give them back to the Texans (which some of them do). As I understand it, some club level seats people cannot even GIVE their PSL's away because the contracts on those require you to pay for the seats for a certain number of years--so you can't just not pay for your seat to get rid of it. The face value of those is so high, you can't sell them easily for face.

And the Texans are going to have a hard time keeping people in the 600s non-PSL seats.

So, that being said, and knowing the "customer service" oriented staff, I betcha they look for a high profile coach that can help sell tickets and flashy draft picks. Bush is obviously pretty flashy. But I am just speculating. You can try to get a name guy to coach, but isn't easy to bring him to our situation without the boatload of cash.

Yeah, I posted an article about him possibly having shoulder surgery after the season, in the same article he says he is not even sure if he is going to enter the draft this year, so all of the "buzz" could be a year too soon. LINK (http://www.kffl.com/player/13289/NFL)

Scott Wolf, of the Valley Tribune, reports USC junior RB Reggie Bush said he's undecided on whether he will head to the NFL next year or not. "I don't think it's too obvious what I will do because there are many factors in my decision," Bush said. "I might have surgery on my shoulder after the season, I don't know." Bush said his shoulder sometimes bothers him. He also said winning the Heisman Trophy would not cause him to automatically turn pro.

Carr Bombed
11-26-2005, 04:08 AM
Dan Snyder Economics 101. No dan snyder economics is going around and overpaying in the FA market only having them not produce, oh wait we've already done that.

I would have no problem with taking Bush, If it was any other draft I would, but this draft is deep with lineman. Take the playmaker and a LT in the 2nd, unless another team offers us the farm then trade down. I just feel Bush would be perfect on this team. Carr loves to throw the dump pass to davis and unlike davis, bush could turn it into big gains, he fits perfectly in our offense.

Soupafly
11-26-2005, 08:25 AM
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You could draft all the best players in the world and it doesn't matter if our o line and QB can't get them the ball. Surely a new HC and his staff sees the same thing?

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My thoughts exactly!

CoachJim
11-26-2005, 08:38 AM
A note to the Texans war room:

REPAIR THE O-LINE FIRST.

Honoring Earl 34
11-26-2005, 09:18 AM
:texflag: I would hope they might trade down for more picks THIS YEAR . I'm not sure if D' Brick is a # 1 overall pick .

Davis37
11-26-2005, 09:37 AM
:texflag: I would hope they might trade down for more picks THIS YEAR . I'm not sure if D' Brick is a # 1 overall pick .

Im sure if they decided to take D' Brick they will trade down to around pick 3 or 4 and take him there while grabbing a few xtra picks.

J-Storm
11-26-2005, 09:47 AM
I'd be taking 2 O-Line players then a TE. We need to fix other areas before drafting a RB like Bush. We certainly don't need Leinhart either, so if we were to pick either of those two we have to trade them for something.

Repair the O-Line or at least shore it up a lil' more than we have currently, then get a decent all-round TE because we still don't know what in Blue Heaven we have when it comes to Joppru and why should we gamble on a guy who hasn't played a regular season down for us even after all this time. After those picks grab another O-Line and then do whatever they like with the rest, maybe have a hard look at some D guys :idea:

Ryan
11-26-2005, 10:57 AM
Reggie Bush is much more special than Willis McGahee, Travis Henry, or DD. DD will have some trade value but will never be a great RB. We cannot pass up on Reggie Bush.

jacquescas
11-26-2005, 12:03 PM
we fix the line first, and fix it good, then if we need to fix other positions we do it the following year, and any RB or QB would come in with decent pieces around him

tex
11-26-2005, 12:18 PM
Please get a OL I'm no football know it all but even I can see the Texans need a OL.

HardKnockTexan
11-26-2005, 12:22 PM
It all depends on how special Regie Bush is... If he's of the calliber of say Priest Holmes, Willie Parker, Willis McGahee, Tatum Bell, Larry Johnson, Edgrin James or Rudi Johnson then I say we go after the top tackle in the draft. However, if he's in a class with Tomlinson, Shawn Alexander, or, who he remindes me the most of, Barry Sanders, then I dont see how we could pass on Reggie Bush.

Good runningbacks can be found in later rounds. Good offensive linemen can be found in latter rounds. Special players only come around every now and again and to pass on someone who could give this team an identity for years would be a huge mistake IMO.

Holden135
11-26-2005, 12:31 PM
We must worry about our o-line and our defense first. Hopefully Pitts is gonna be the guy at LT but i still like drafting Oline in the first round to attempt to solidify it. However, if we have a good FA as far as the line is concerned i say trade back and pick up the best lb available. Just my opinion but i think if we have all day to throw any wr could get open so just worry about solidifying the line and it will also solidify the wr core in a sense.

gg no re
11-26-2005, 04:36 PM
No dan snyder economics is going around and overpaying in the FA market only having them not produce, oh wait we've already done that.Basis is still the same... you're inferring that money solves all problems by saying that Bush sells tickets. Ticket sales solve nothing! It's just bad argument, that's all.

Hottoddie
11-26-2005, 05:03 PM
Here, this solves most of our problems. Now, I don't want to hear anymore of this silly talk about drafting Bush. Unless, of course, he comes out next year.:D :ok:

Assuming no trade downs

1st) D'Brick (OT)
2nd) Davin Joseph (G/OT) or Mike Degory (C/G)
3rd) Joe Klopfenstein (TE)
3rd) Steve Fifita (NT)
4th) Hank Basket (WR)
5th) Aaron Harris (ILB)- I'll move Wong back outside.
6th) Pat Watkins (FS) or Greg Threat (S)
7th) Lequalan McDonald (G) or Chijioke Onyengecha (CB)

Assuming a trade down to 5-7- My personal favorite.

1st) Eric Winston (OT)
2nd) Bobby Carpenter (OLB), A.J. Nicholson (OLB), or Spencer Havner (OLB)- In that order.
2nd) Davin Joseph (G/OT), Mike Degory (C/G), or Mark Setterstrom (G)- In that order.
3rd) Joe Klopfenstein (TE)
3rd) Steve Fifita (NT)
4th) Hank Basket (WR)
5th) Aaron Harris (ILB)
6th) Pat Watkins (FS) or Greg Threat (S)
7th) Lequalan McDonald (G) or Chijioke Onyengecha (CB)

Assuming a trade down with Denver

1st) Jonathan Scott (OT)
1st) Bobby Carpenter (OLB) or A.J. Nicholson (OLB)
2nd) Davin Joseph (G/OT) or Mike Degory (C/G)
3rd) Joe Klopfenstein (TE)
3rd) Steve Fifita (NT)
4th) Hank Basket (WR)
5th) Aaron Harris (ILB)
6th) Pat Watkins (FS) or Greg Threat (S)
7th) Lequalan McDonald (G) or Chijioke Onyengecha (CB)[/QUOTE]

Carr Bombed
11-26-2005, 08:38 PM
Basis is still the same... you're inferring that money solves all problems by saying that Bush sells tickets. Ticket sales solve nothing! It's just bad argument, that's all.

I never said money solves all problems...? The reason why I want them to draft Bush is because we need more playmakers on this team and he's one of the biggest one's to come out the last decade, it has nothing to do with selling tickets. Selling tickets would just be a by product of the pick and another plus in picking him. I really don't care how many tickets they sell, its not money in my pocket. Does this mean I don't want OLineman....NO.

Carr Bombed
11-26-2005, 09:02 PM
Man people are split right down the middle on this issue

Texas_Thrill
11-27-2005, 03:16 PM
Dont forget the COLTS traded away Marshall Faulk to get Edgerrin James into town.

So its not unheard of that your PRIMARY back gets traded away to bring in another superstar of sorts.