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yaboycm
11-22-2005, 04:15 PM
With the minimal progress that we have seen from David Carr in the last 4 years and the immense progress that we have seen from Vince Young in 3 years of PLAYING in college I ask this question: Who would you rather have as the FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK of the HOUSTON TEXANS? David Carr or Vince Young? Vince has become a pass first, run second quarterback as opposed to when he was a run first, pass second quarterback as a Frosh. He is already Texas' all-time leader in total offense as a JUNIOR. Lead the Longhorns to a Rose Bowl birth. On the verge of leading the Horns to an UNDEFEATED season and a spot in the National Championship game against what some argue the "greatest college team ever" or "greatest college offense ever." Will finish in the top 2 of the Heisman Vote. Oh yeah, remember the last time a football team from Houston took a guy from Texas with the first pick to be their franchise player?

http://www.sporting21.com/main/nfl/image/earl_campbell.jpg
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050104/050104_vinceYoung_vmed_8p.vlarge.jpg

Kaiser Toro
11-22-2005, 04:23 PM
Neither at this point in time.

HomeBred_Texan
11-22-2005, 04:51 PM
You need to add Matt Leinart in the choices....

rmartin65
11-22-2005, 04:54 PM
Carr.

mean mark8
11-22-2005, 04:57 PM
oops

mean mark8
11-22-2005, 04:59 PM
Personally, I'd rather see a guy who threw for over 9,100 yards in his collegiate career and won a professional league MVP by the name of Ragone. Ragone was able to get Louisville into the top 20, Louisville. Vince Young will have to throw for ~3,500 yards in his senior season to get as many passing yards as Ragone, while his best season has been this one projected at ~2,700. Of course, we might could get a feel for if Ragone could do anything in the NFL by looking at him in our next 6 games.:pigfly: If he stinks it up, I'm all for looking at Young in '07.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:02 PM
Carr.
Why? What have you seen from Carr in the last 4 years that leads you to believe that?

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:09 PM
Personally, I'd rather see a guy who threw for over 9,100 yards in his collegiate career and won a professional league MVP by the name of Ragone. Ragone was able to get Louisville into the top 20, Louisville. Vince Young will have to throw for ~3,500 yards in his senior season to get as many passing yards as Ragone, while his best season has been this one projected at ~2,700. Of course, we might could get a feel for if Ragone could do anything in the NFL by looking at him in our next 6 games.:pigfly: If he stinks it up, I'm all for looking at Young in '07.

I agree. Don't re-sign Carr. Play Ragone in '06, go 2-13. Reggie Bush and Mathis will do what they did this weekend and win you 2, maybe 3 games. Draft a mobile QB in the 7th or sign an undrafted one so the offense can get a feel for what it is like to play with one. If Ragone sucks after at least 8-10 games, put that guy in there. If he does good, your 2nd/3rd stringer has experience. Pick Vincent Young. Sit him on the sidelines for 8 games or so then play him. Sounds like a plan to me. IS IT WORKING NEW YORK GIANTS?

HomeBred_Texan
11-22-2005, 05:17 PM
Why draft Vince Young? We don't need another WR....

ThaShark316
11-22-2005, 05:20 PM
Won't have the chance to draft Vince...he's staying in school..PERIOD. Now stfu about it.

cuppacoffee
11-22-2005, 05:26 PM
Draft Young........to be a wide receiver....then following year
draft Brady Quinn to be our QB. :yahoo:


cac: :coffee:

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:28 PM
Won't have the chance to draft Vince...he's staying in school..PERIOD. Now stfu about it.
Half Astros, half Texans, half Bucs, half Rockets, half Yankees, half Cavs: If you read previous posts, and my signature, you would see that I am in support of picking him in 2007 smarts. Know what you're talking about. Till then, you stfu. He hasn't made a decision yet. Heisman trophies and national championships have been made to change minds. Just not Matt Leinart's.

Snapple
11-22-2005, 05:29 PM
I respect and love Vince Young too much to want to see him corrupted by our terrible offensive system. I don't want to teach him the "one step drop, no time to read the field, throw a quick slant or get knocked on your ***" Texans offensive system.

ThaShark316
11-22-2005, 05:30 PM
Draft Young........to be a wide receiver....then following year
draft Brady Quinn to be our QB. :yahoo:


cac: :coffee:


SAY NO to Young being a WR...just say NO! :yahoo:

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:30 PM
Draft Young........to be a wide receiver....then following year
draft Brady Quinn to be our QB. :yahoo:


cac: :coffee:

If not Young, Quinn is damn good too. But P-lease.

Young will be a quarterback in the NFL, and a damn good one too.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:32 PM
I respect and love Vince Young too much to want to see him corrupted by our terrible offensive system. I don't want to teach him the "one step drop, no time to read the field, throw a quick slant or get knocked on your ***" Texans offensive system.

The new coaches we bring in after this year will help that. Unless our owner is a complete moron.

ThaShark316
11-22-2005, 05:32 PM
Half Astros, half Texans, half Bucs, half Rockets, half Yankees, half Cavs: If you read previous posts, and my signature, you would see that I am in support of picking him in 2007 smarts. Know what you're talking about. Till then, you stfu. He hasn't made a decision yet. Heisman trophies and national championships have been made to change minds. Just not Matt Leinart's.


I know...im not serious man...i see ur sig...its bright as hell..i know what u meant. lol...let us all join in a singing of kum ba ya. :ok:

Bullpen Drew
11-22-2005, 05:37 PM
Joey Harrington!

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:37 PM
I know...im not serious man...i see ur sig...its bright as hell..i know what u meant. lol...let us all join in a singing of kum ba ya. :ok:
Cool. Just when I see stfu I think:
http://www.astimeexpires.com/cowher.bmp

Not
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/statitudes/news/2002/02/18/gruden_coaches_compensation/capers.jpg

ThaShark316
11-22-2005, 06:17 PM
Speaking of coaches..how bout this guy as head coach for 06 (if his team fires him...)


http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Edwards_Hermanweb.jpg


Let me dream a little here people...:yahoo: :texflag:

touttail
11-22-2005, 06:52 PM
I think Ragone should get some playing time and see what he can do? What would it hurt, would we get blown out of games or lose our playoff spot?

bobby 119C:brickwall

bigcarlos
11-22-2005, 07:57 PM
You need to add Matt Leinart in the choices....
He's probably as sloooooooow as Carr

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 09:18 PM
Speaking of coaches..how bout this guy as head coach for 06 (if his team fires him...)


http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Edwards_Hermanweb.jpg


Let me dream a little here people...:yahoo: :texflag:


Yep, I like Herm a lot. I think he is a great motivator who knows the game. Good defensive coach.

Huge
11-22-2005, 10:00 PM
Speaking of coaches..how bout this guy as head coach for 06 (if his team fires him...)


http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/manual_upload/coaches/Edwards_Hermanweb.jpg


Let me dream a little here people...:yahoo: :texflag:
He'll be coaching Kansas City next year.

Napa Auto Parts
11-22-2005, 11:03 PM
I respect and love Vince Young too much to want to see him corrupted by our terrible offensive system. I don't want to teach him the "one step drop, no time to read the field, throw a quick slant or get knocked on your ***" Texans offensive system.




The one step drop is only made for Fresno state Qb's that lock into their first read.

Youngstown Colt
11-23-2005, 12:08 AM
Matt Leinert. He's the real winner with the real NFL pedigree.

I want the Texans to succeed, so I don't want them to take Vince, no matter how much the state of Texas wants him here.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2005, 01:38 AM
dont we have kliff kingsberry on our PS? i guess we should start him based on his stats alone...

Huge
11-23-2005, 08:48 AM
Carr

It's the better choice between two simple options.

rmartin65
11-23-2005, 09:34 AM
Carr has proven he can take hits and get up, and I think Carr has the better arm.

MorKnolle
11-23-2005, 10:44 AM
dont we have kliff kingsberry on our PS? i guess we should start him based on his stats alone...
Kingsbury has never been on the roster. At one points we had B.J. Symons from Texas Tech as a practice squad QB.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2005, 10:45 AM
Kingsbury has never been on the roster. At one points we had B.J. Symons from Texas Tech as a practice squad QB.

yah...one of the guys.

I dont really care, because, each of them broke some records i belive.

thunderkyss
11-23-2005, 11:43 AM
David Carr, Andre Johnson, Dominick Davis..........I thought last year they were on the verge of being the next big thing.........I thought this year was going to be their breakout year....

I honestly don't know what happened.......but there is no way I can fault Carr. He's done some stupid things this season, but aside from Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, Every NFL QB has done some stupid things.......Favre, McNabb, Leftwich.........Get us an offensive line that works, stop looking at the wrong end of a problem, and maybe we can start winning some games.

..............just my 2

Hardcore Texan
11-23-2005, 01:08 PM
The one step drop is only made for Fresno state Qb's that lock into their first read.


Ever have anything positive to say? Always hating on Carr and Carr only. Other players are at fault. I am not saying Carr hasn't made mistakes, but if you want to ride one person as the fall guy all of the time how about blaming Capers.

Hardcore Texan
11-23-2005, 01:10 PM
David Carr, Andre Johnson, Dominick Davis..........I thought last year they were on the verge of being the next big thing.........I thought this year was going to be their breakout year....

I honestly don't know what happened.......but there is no way I can fault Carr. He's done some stupid things this season, but aside from Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady, Every NFL QB has done some stupid things.......Favre, McNabb, Leftwich.........Get us an offensive line that works, stop looking at the wrong end of a problem, and maybe we can start winning some games.

..............just my 2

Well Said! I think most of the blame has to be on the coaching staff.:texans:

Hardcore Texan
11-23-2005, 01:19 PM
Matt Leinert. He's the real winner with the real NFL pedigree.

I want the Texans to succeed, so I don't want them to take Vince, no matter how much the state of Texas wants him here.


Matt Leinart is a good "COLLEGE" QB, but how many Heisman winners have went on to make a big flop in the NFL? Too many to name. Only time will tell if he will succeed at the NFL level.
But don't make the mistake of saying Vince Young is not a real winner. You would be very wrong to say so, he has done nothing but win, he has carried his team to victory in every big game he has been in since Mack let him lead his way. He is a REAL Winner and a great college QB. But he too still has to transition to the NFL, just as your boy Matt does, and a rookie QB is not the answer for this team IMO.