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phan1
11-21-2005, 05:10 AM
I'm sorry, but the playcalling was pretty demoralizing today. And I'm not sure who should be more embarrassed: Carr or that Oline. I have never seen playcalling like what we had tonight. And I mean NEVER. Even when Carr was getting sacked left and right as a rookie, we still just let Carr play instead of calling this short, pitter-patter excuse for a passing game. The way Pendry called the game, it was like he had absolutely no faith in Carr or that Oline. NONE.

To make Carr throw only short, easy out routes all day long has just gotta be a slap in the face. It just shows his lack of trust in Carr and the Oline. I know you're trying to protect Carr, but this is a little extreme isn't it? At some point, you've just got to let him play! Didn't our offense play decent last week? Just let them play a little! It just seemed like Carr was being really babied today. If you want to protect Carr, than run the damn football. But don't force Carr to play in this patty-cake short-pass offense. You might as well put him on the bench.

Malloy
11-21-2005, 05:13 AM
First priority after Pendry took the lead is to lower the amount of sacks, that neccesitates short passes and alot of balls thrown away. While it's not pretty it DOES lower the amount of sacks.

J-Storm
11-21-2005, 07:08 AM
Plus it looks better for an International audience if you don't see your QB pulling his helmet outta the turf after being crunched on every play that the O-Line happen to miss blocks. At least he looked like a shadow of a QB against the Chiefs, more so than in other games...

cuppacoffee
11-21-2005, 09:05 AM
Plus it looks better for an International audience if you don't see your QB pulling his helmet outta the turf after being crunched on every play that the O-Line happen to miss blocks. At least he looked like a shadow of a QB against the Chiefs, more so than in other games...

OH NO! Tell me this farce wasn't televised in Australia.

Side note: Almost moved to Adelaide when a young man. Still wonder what might have been.

Malloy
11-21-2005, 09:08 AM
thanks to www.pontel.com the international audience CAN get to watch the games, and Carr throwing his helmet around! :)

Runner
11-21-2005, 10:15 AM
First priority after Pendry took the lead is to lower the amount of sacks, that neccesitates short passes and alot of balls thrown away. While it's not pretty it DOES lower the amount of sacks.

It also lowers our total yardage, points scored, odds of winning, etc.

Last year's line was better, even before the injuires.

Reddevil63
11-21-2005, 10:50 AM
It also lowers our total yardage, points scored, odds of winning, etc.

Last year's line was better, even before the injuires.
But atleast we will have some resemblence of a QB left for next season when a real NFL front office and coaching staff takes over.

Runner
11-21-2005, 11:01 AM
But atleast we will have some resemblence of a QB left for next season when a real NFL front office and coaching staff takes over.

I'll agree with that at this point in the season, but we've given up the same amount (or within 1 or 2) of sacks this season that we had in all of last season. Pendry should not dodge any blame in this. His decision to start Riley ahead of Wand for no apparent reason, and stunting Wand's development for a year is one of the worst decisions that was made in camp. His refusal to rectify that mistake by not replacing Riley after the first 1 or 2 games compounds it. Even 4 games was much too long a time for Riley to keep playing. Wand gets no quality practice time; I maintain if he had been treated like Pitts was after Pitts' less than stellar first year, Wand would be a contributor. It is hard for him to come in a few plays a game this year and show any improvement because he doesn't get the practice time, much less the game time.

Wand took a lot of blame last year, but this season has proven that last year's offensive woes weren't solely the responsibility of the left tackle. He was a convenient scapegoat. At this point in the season, I don't see the logic in the RT/RG combo of Weigert/Riley over Wand/Weigert.

Buffi2
11-21-2005, 11:09 AM
Riley needs to find another profession. Pendry should have seen that after game 1, probably in training camp.

As to babying Carr - Pendry, by his playcalling, is telling the team, the fans, the world that these guys aren't capable of playing nfl football. This team can only do baby steps. While this may or may not be true, the playcalling certainly isn't helping. If the team could get excited about each upcoming game, Pendry deflates any desire to win and I can't even imagine what that kind of play calling can do to an ego.

The entire situation is totally out of control.

Malloy
11-21-2005, 11:11 AM
It also lowers our total yardage, points scored, odds of winning, etc.

Last year's line was better, even before the injuires.

ofcourse it does, and it were :)

Marcus
11-21-2005, 11:21 AM
I'm sorry, but the playcalling was pretty demoralizing today. And I'm not sure who should be more embarrassed: Carr or that Oline. I have never seen playcalling like what we had tonight. And I mean NEVER. Even when Carr was getting sacked left and right as a rookie, we still just let Carr play instead of calling this short, pitter-patter excuse for a passing game. The way Pendry called the game, it was like he had absolutely no faith in Carr or that Oline. NONE.

To make Carr throw only short, easy out routes all day long has just gotta be a slap in the face. It just shows his lack of trust in Carr and the Oline. I know you're trying to protect Carr, but this is a little extreme isn't it? At some point, you've just got to let him play! Didn't our offense play decent last week? Just let them play a little! It just seemed like Carr was being really babied today. If you want to protect Carr, than run the damn football. But don't force Carr to play in this patty-cake short-pass offense. You might as well put him on the bench.

I think it's pretty clear that winning football games is not the priority anymore. Protecting Carr is. I believe those are the instructions that Pendry has been given. By who, whether it's Capers or McNair, I don't know.
But the word has come down from somewhere.

If you look at it from that view, it's pretty easy to see what's going on. Yeah, the offense is crippled. But if you're left with the choice with either crippling the offense or crippling Carr . . what are going to do?

cadahnic
11-21-2005, 11:28 AM
I think Carr had a really bad game. i am usually a fan of Carr, but even his short passes were off track. Did not help that Bradford was pouting about not starting anymore and ran the wrong routes. Pendry is using a shell offense. It will not work, but we should be able to beat really really bad teams. I mean only the Jets. Damn we dont play them this year. Protection of Carr is ok, but it might be time to just let it all hang out for the next 6 games.

Runner
11-21-2005, 11:30 AM
I think it's pretty clear that winning football games is not the priority anymore. Protecting Carr is. I believe those are the instructions that Pendry has been given. By who, whether it's Capers or McNair, I don't know.
But the word has come down from somewhere.

If you look at it from that view, it's pretty easy to see what's going on. Yeah, the offense is crippled. But if you're left with the choice with either crippling the offense or crippling Carr . . what are going to do?


I know what you're saying. I'd hate to see Carr hurt, but I'd also really like to see them try to play pro football. We can't even evaluate the players we have right now with this pathetic excuse for an offensive game plan.

Capers' halftime quote about seeing who wants to play or whatever is laughable. On the offensive side we don't give them a chance to show they want to play. If he wants players to show what they have, the coaches should sit down Bradford and Riley right now and give Armstrong and Wand significant playing time. Then they should go with a real offensive game plan. Who knows - it might even get better if the other team's defense has to cover more than 10 yards of the field.

phan1
11-22-2005, 01:56 AM
I think it's pretty clear that winning football games is not the priority anymore. Protecting Carr is. I believe those are the instructions that Pendry has been given. By who, whether it's Capers or McNair, I don't know.
But the word has come down from somewhere.

If you look at it from that view, it's pretty easy to see what's going on. Yeah, the offense is crippled. But if you're left with the choice with either crippling the offense or crippling Carr . . what are going to do?

I say cripple Carr. Hey, I want Carr to stay here in Houston, but you can't put Carr ahead of the team. This is what I mean by Carr getting babied. You need to call games so that you can have a chance at winning. You don't call games to not get your star QB hurt. :brickwall There was nothing going on in that game that showed us that we wanted to win that game. NOTHING. For gawd's sake we didn't even TRY to win that game! That's pretty sad. I really don't care if Carr gets sacked another 50 times, I think it's more important to do everything you can to win games. That didn't happen last night. It was pretty much "Hey, let's just go out and get this game over with w/o any injuries to Carr." That is PATHETIC. Just let these guys play because it's the best chance of getting a win. And if Carr gets taken out on a stretcher, so be it. You can at least say you did everything you could to win that game.

TexHorns
11-22-2005, 02:23 AM
IMO this team and owner has given up on this year. It looks to me as if McNair or Pendry is just trying to save Carr from getting hurt so the team can look to next year when they get some new players and coaches. Why win and ruin our #1 overall pick? At least there is an upside! Usually I think it is more important to establish a character of trying to win every game no-matter what the record but this season has been a total disaster. I really don't know what to think about this year. Maybe since they can't even be semi-competative this year then it might be better just to play conservative to avoid any more major injuries.

bruski
11-22-2005, 06:24 AM
OH NO! Tell me this farce wasn't televised in Australia.

Side note: Almost moved to Adelaide when a young man. Still wonder what might have been.

Sure was, I watched the first half then decided it was time to tape the rest and go to bed. At least I did not see Carr getting sacked the Oline was 100% on the last game televised over here as well but this time around I was really dissapointed in the Defence. Ah well, there is next year or decade:texflag:

Vinny
11-22-2005, 09:34 AM
This morning on 610am on the Steve McKinney show, McKinney stated that we had many more pass plays called but Carr kept checking to those hitch passes.

Runner
11-22-2005, 09:38 AM
This morning on 610am on the Steve McKinney show, McKinney stated that we had many more pass plays called but Carr kept checking to those hitch passes.

Interesting. I wonder if he was checking for valid reasons of the defensive set, or other reasons. Probably some combination of the two. This team is really in deep trouble right now.

The Bears have really turned it around in one year though...

Vinny
11-22-2005, 09:41 AM
I meant to type 'run plays' instead of pass plays. Carr kept checking to those hitch passes when the corners didn't press the WR's. This is just another comment debunking the myth that Carr isn't allowed to check to a pass. Carr also hasn't figured out you can't hitch pass your way to victories in the NFL.

Fixed > This morning on 610am on the Steve McKinney show, McKinney stated that we had many more run plays called but Carr kept checking to those hitch passes.

infantrycak
11-22-2005, 09:47 AM
This is just another comment debunking the myth that Carr isn't allowed to check to a pass.

I suspect this isn't so much a myth as an ongoing use of old information. I'd bet right when Pendry came in they only had an audible to a run and have since installed more options.

Vinny
11-22-2005, 09:50 AM
I see it repeated enough (the carr can't check to the run stuff) to where I feel like I need to tell it to the forum every time I hear a member of the Texans confirm its not true.

Runner
11-22-2005, 09:59 AM
I suspect this isn't so much a myth as an ongoing use of old information. I'd bet right when Pendry came in they only had an audible to a run and have since installed more options.

I know that last year he was very restricted to what he could audible to, so I'd say the old information was true at some point and the situation has obviously changed.

infantrycak
11-22-2005, 10:00 AM
I see it repeated enough (the carr can't check to the run stuff) to where I feel like I need to tell it to the forum every time I hear a member of the Texans confirm its not true.

Useful service--I was being a semanticist--not enough coffee yet.

SESupergenius
11-22-2005, 10:44 AM
I meant to type 'run plays' instead of pass plays. Carr kept checking to those hitch passes when the corners didn't press the WR's. This is just another comment debunking the myth that Carr isn't allowed to check to a pass. Carr also hasn't figured out you can't hitch pass your way to victories in the NFL.

Fixed > This morning on 610am on the Steve McKinney show, McKinney stated that we had many more run plays called but Carr kept checking to those hitch passes.It depends on what camp you believe. Carr said that earlier this season that he was allowed to check off to a pass from a run. Capers said otherwise. Who do we believe? Casserly said were weren't going to go after any big free agents, we then go after the biggest in Pace, once again who do you believe?

Carr just just said after the game that he is tired of hitches and that the team needs to make bigger plays. Vinny is saying he checks to hitches. Hmmm, who do you believe?

Runner
11-22-2005, 10:45 AM
It depends on what camp you believe. Carr said that earlier this season that he was allowed to check off to a pass from a run. Capers said otherwise. Who do we believe? Casserly said were weren't going to go after any big free agents, we then go after the biggest in Pace, once again who do you believe?

Carr just just said after the game that he is tired of hitches and that the team needs to make bigger plays. Vinny is saying he checks to hitches. Hmmm, who do you believe?

I believe the team is a mess.

Malloy
11-22-2005, 10:51 AM
This morning on 610am on the Steve McKinney show, McKinney stated that we had many more pass plays called but Carr kept checking to those hitch passes.

crap, I missed him, anything else from him? :(

Vinny
11-22-2005, 11:39 AM
Carr just just said after the game that he is tired of hitches and that the team needs to make bigger plays. Vinny is saying he checks to hitches. Hmmm, who do you believe?I'm not saying it...Steve McKinney said it in front of the entire Houston radio audience. I'm just reporting what I heard. I heard Capers say the same thing on the Dom Capers show too. Twice - the last couple of weeks when asked directly.

SESupergenius
11-22-2005, 12:30 PM
I stand corrected, Carr is a liar and needs to be off the team.

Malloy
11-22-2005, 02:02 PM
I'm more interested from whom the hitch-plays are coming from if both Carr and Capers are trying to do something else.

eriadoc
11-22-2005, 02:17 PM
It depends on what camp you believe. Carr said that earlier this season that he was allowed to check off to a pass from a run. Capers said otherwise. Who do we believe? Casserly said were weren't going to go after any big free agents, we then go after the biggest in Pace, once again who do you believe?

Carr just just said after the game that he is tired of hitches and that the team needs to make bigger plays. Vinny is saying he checks to hitches. Hmmm, who do you believe?

We will probably never truly know the entire story, but there is one actual relevant fact that is being left out of this conversation. From the time Carr made that statement on the radio to the time when Capers refuted it, a period of at least two weeks passed. So it's possible that Carr was not allowed to audible to anything but a run and that has since changed. Perhaps Carr speaking up in his not-so-confrontational manner has helped effect some small changes.

Like I said though .... we'll probably never really know.

Malloy
11-22-2005, 02:46 PM
We will probably never truly know the entire story, but there is one actual relevant fact that is being left out of this conversation. From the time Carr made that statement on the radio to the time when Capers refuted it, a period of at least two weeks passed. So it's possible that Carr was not allowed to audible to anything but a run and that has since changed. Perhaps Carr speaking up in his not-so-confrontational manner has helped effect some small changes.

Like I said though .... we'll probably never really know.

Very good points, all of them :)

HJam72
11-22-2005, 07:46 PM
First priority after Pendry took the lead is to lower the amount of sacks, that neccesitates short passes and alot of balls thrown away. While it's not pretty it DOES lower the amount of sacks.

Yes, but at what cost? It seems to me that it's caused them to go from having little chance of winning to absolutely none. Oh, well. They could go back to what they were doing before and they'd still suck, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Malloy
11-23-2005, 06:25 AM
Yes, but at what cost? It seems to me that it's caused them to go from having little chance of winning to absolutely none. Oh, well. They could go back to what they were doing before and they'd still suck, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Ofcourse there's a price, whether we like the price paid is obviously related to personal preference. I must admit that I am glad that the coaching staff _finally_ fixes this flaw, something that should have been addressed years ago. But, at least they're trying to get Carr through the season (imo) AND test out if he can use the extra protection to look down field.
It's not just about creating pass protection, it's about protecting an investment (and the reason why I believe Carr will be back next year unless he screws up bad).

Scott D
11-23-2005, 02:51 PM
Keep in mind the offense is very bad. I did not say every player on the offense is very bad. What I am saying is that there is no connection or ability to do their jobs correctly. That may stem from the cooridinator's position. You just may have very good players on the field that are told to do stupid things. Like any other business, you MUST do what you are told. If the boss says short pass to the RB and you have a potential of a TD because a WR is open, you still throw it to the RB just because. That in itself makes any player look like a stupid *****.

That is why the Colts are doing so well year after year. Why? Because the coaches allow Peyton to make his own calls out there on the field. I'll bet Carr and his offensive team could do the same thing.

Runner
11-23-2005, 02:59 PM
...test out if he can use the extra protection to look down field.


But for the most part it's not extra protection. It's 1 and 2 step drops creating the illusion of protection.

Runner
11-23-2005, 04:19 PM
Do you think that the d-lineman we are playing against are getting upset with out new offense because they don't get a free shot at our QB anymore?


I doubt it. They'll probably take an easy win over a sack.

Runner
11-23-2005, 04:33 PM
I know, but there is just this rush you get when you are going to play a team that has no idea how to protect their QB.

Sure. Disappointed, upset - I'm sure they'd rather pad their stats and win.

Ryan
11-23-2005, 04:54 PM
It also seems that david carr just doesnt have enough confidence in himself and now he is scared of being hit. He wa a much better QB his first couple of years becasue he did not have any fear. He just went out there and played hard.

Ryan
11-23-2005, 09:27 PM
Whenever we drafted carr, we thought he was gonna be a great QB. I know some people are gonna say, oh he has a bad offensive line, oh he doesnt have any talent around him. Cut the crap!! You can find alot of QBs in the NFL right now that are better than David Carr. This is the only time that i like a mediocre QB out there becasue every loss brings the texans closer to the first overall pick. I think if we played Tony Banks from the get go we could easily have 5 wins by now. :brickwall

angeltexus
11-24-2005, 01:05 AM
It's good to hear from you Mr. Banks.. glad to see you still supporting you son's career. Keep up the good work. :texflag:
I clearly remember Banks beating Carolina when the Panthers went to the SuperBowl. Sure all he did was hand the ball off and some dump passes, but he even does that better than Carr.

Napa Auto Parts
11-24-2005, 01:25 AM
Back to the Topic is pendry babying Carr yes but carr is used to that ever since he came in to the league why? i dont know but thats just how the texans raised him and thats why you have such a poor QB David never earned his job except for being the 1st pick overall thats the credetial that got him to be a starter. and who knows may be david never asked to be pampered how he has been all this time. but its to late now David is one seaon away from erasing ryan leaf as the biggest bust.

Napa Auto Parts
11-24-2005, 07:29 PM
:homer:

Goldeagle
11-24-2005, 10:34 PM
Riley needs to find another profession. Pendry should have seen that after game 1, probably in training camp.

As to babying Carr - Pendry, by his playcalling, is telling the team, the fans, the world that these guys aren't capable of playing nfl football. This team can only do baby steps. While this may or may not be true, the playcalling certainly isn't helping. If the team could get excited about each upcoming game, Pendry deflates any desire to win and I can't even imagine what that kind of play calling can do to an ego.

The entire situation is totally out of control.


GREAT POST


One week Carr gets into trouble from Pendry for throwing the ball deep. Then int he Chronicle 3 days later Pendry is talking about the need for the deep ball, LOL!

I dont think Pendry has a clue on anything. Just another coach on the sidelines with a dumb quizzical look on his face

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