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TexansFight
11-20-2005, 10:45 PM
Bench Carr, see if you have anything with Ragone for the rest of the season. Carr is horribly inaccurate and can only make a screen pass or a 5 yard out. His mechanics are terrible and he is shot. Chalk up him up as a bust and move on. The franchise will be better for it. If we pick up the option we will be in cap hell when we finally hire a GM and coaching staff who realize we have a bust on their hands.

281
11-20-2005, 10:57 PM
Preach!

Ranger
11-20-2005, 11:01 PM
I think it would be the worst move we could make by not picking up his option. 7 years down the road when he is leading the Lions or the Ravens into the playoffs and people are talking about his talent and why Houston ever let him go is when we will reget it. I think Carr has a lot of talent, and has become the leader of this football team and is the image of the city. If we let him go and draft Leinhart, we will just be 4 years behind. If we bring in a coach and let him work with Carr's mechanics and actually get some talent around him other than Davis and Johnson, Carr will prove he is worth his $8 million. Get rid of the overacheiving slot receivers, find some lineman that know what blocking is, set up a solid defense thats strong up the middle that gets a pass rush, and Carr can lead this team where we want to go.

The biggest reason to pay that $8 million, in all these years of being sacked and on a losing team, he never has complained once. That is a heart of a champion, something we want on this football team in the future.

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 12:35 AM
:embarrass Ranger ...Your kidding right .

SESupergenius
11-21-2005, 12:39 AM
na, that is good, please bring in Lienert so that he can throw the 8 yard hitches and dump passes. But better yet have him drop back in a 5 step drop and have him get nailed, ending his season with an MCL tear and we are starting Banks. I like this plan.

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 12:44 AM
:texflag: Giff Nielson can do what Carr did tonight . Bob save your money.

Napa Auto Parts
11-21-2005, 01:31 AM
Well i went to the game today sorry to say i was one of the fans that left at halftime after David Threw the His Touchdown pass:sarcasm: i think we should pick up davids option he is the face of the franchise who cares if he cant play the position.:homer:

Reddevil63
11-21-2005, 01:32 AM
:texflag: Giff Nielson can do what Carr did tonight . Bob save your money.
And that is not Davids fault, this organization is doing there best to ruin a good QB.

bigtex77
11-21-2005, 02:12 AM
The bottom line is the Peyton Manning could not produce in this offense, the qb position is just one of many that must be upgraded for us to improve. A lot of people think that Leinart or Vince Young would be better than David, but neither can produce from his backside. It would be funny to see Peyton calling out audibles and doing everything else he does at the line of scrimmage, knowing that nobody on the offense would have a clue what he was doing, hell we can't get a play right when we huddle!

HJam72
11-21-2005, 02:34 AM
Ya know, I think Peyton probably could produce from his backside, but not with our O-line. :cool:

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 07:15 AM
:texflag: I don't believe Carr does his OL any favors either . I also think they have to keep the offense simple for a reason ( somebody's not quick ). The bottom line is theres no way you extend his contract without a new deal .

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 08:08 AM
:tomato: I understand that Carr is not going to be good anytime soon . I understand Carr is a loner on the sidelines cause the fellows won't hang out with him . I understand their playing the Kiss ( keep it simple stupid ) offense because of two reasons 1 . OL 2. Carr is a lock and load guy on one reciever . I understand the body language of the other players after Carr bounces the ball two them or fumbles .

touttail
11-21-2005, 08:22 AM
Carr had time to throw the ball. He locks in on his primary reciever and never looks away to the secondary if the primary is cover. I watched this several times, his head never moved from the primary. He tries to throw the ball to the primary and it bounced on the ground at least 4 times. If he doesn't throw he runs, and throws it out of bounds or dumps it off. He never looked for a secondary reciever. He is not a NFL caliber QB. McNair is a fool to give him the 8 million to keep him.

bobby 119C:brickwall

awtysst
11-21-2005, 08:31 AM
Carr had time to throw the ball. He locks in on his primary reciever and never looks away to the secondary if the primary is cover. I watched this several times, his head never moved from the primary. He tries to throw the ball to the primary and it bounced on the ground at least 4 times. If he doesn't throw he runs, and throws it out of bounds or dumps it off. He never looked for a secondary reciever. He is not a NFL caliber QB. McNair is a fool to give him the 8 million to keep him.

bobby 119C:brickwall


Carr was constantly dumping the ball or throwing the ball quickly. He only "had time" becuase he was getting rid of it so fast. look at what manning does the next time he plays and you will see a big difference. Manning takes a few steps back and looks all over the field. Want to know why Carr doesnt? If he did, he's be sacked behind this pathetic Swiss Cheese line of ours. Put a real line in front of him, show him he atually will be protected, and then you will see his play.

Oh, and also we need to stop this Mickey Mouse style of Play calling.

TexansFight
11-21-2005, 11:14 AM
I completely agree with touttail. The announcers were mentioning all the time during the game. He locks on his primary receiver and if the guy is covered he will either run out of bounds for a loss or throw an interception.

His mechanics are terrible and he is the most inaccurate QB in the NFL right now. He has more one-hoppers and throws that are 3 feet over the receivers heads than any QB that I have seen in the NFL this year. Our offensive line sucks but last night it gave him some time and he still couldn't do anything with it.

Draft Bush or trade out of the first pick to get Ferguson and another pick. Let Carr leave town and bring in a free agent veteran QB. Of course fire Casserly and Capers and bring in guys who can atually coach and spot talent. We will be back on the road to respectability if we do that.

Runner
11-21-2005, 11:21 AM
he is the most inaccurate QB in the NFL right now.


But he wasn't like that in previous years. How many of our players are better now than when we got them? That is what frustrates me as a fan.

Our problems run deep, but much of them come from the coaching.

p.s. I did not say, or mean to imply, Carr had a good game or was blameless.

Buffi2
11-21-2005, 11:26 AM
After being a Carr supporter for lo these many years, last night pushed me over the edge. I can't defend him any more. If we give Carr the new contract, my only hope is that a new coach can undo what the current coaches have done.

cadahnic
11-21-2005, 11:46 AM
Carr has the talent to lead almost any decent team to wins. Hell last year he led us to 7. Yeah he has alot of issues be that because of the system or his own faults likely a combination of both. I dont know why everyone is talking about the 8 million option, because the 5.5 is the best way to go. it gives us one year with the new coach to decide if Carr is the guy for him and if not then you get rid of him and you are ok.

houstonhurricane
11-21-2005, 11:47 AM
When he threw that pick last night and instead of chasing after the defender he threw his hands in the air...he lost me. Good for him if he can be successul elsewhere, but he is simply not worth an $8 million bonus and three year contract extension.

the wonger need food
11-21-2005, 11:54 AM
It's amazing that anyone can watch this guy and get the impression that he is a good quarterback. He is simply not an NFL level quarterback, plain and simple.

SESupergenius
11-21-2005, 02:00 PM
:tomato: I understand that Carr is not going to be good anytime soon . I understand Carr is a loner on the sidelines cause the fellows won't hang out with him . I understand their playing the Kiss ( keep it simple stupid ) offense because of two reasons 1 . OL 2. Carr is a lock and load guy on one reciever . I understand the body language of the other players after Carr bounces the ball two them or fumbles .
Is see the offensive line next to him on almost every camera angle. I'm not there at the game but from what I can tell that is not the case.

StarStruck
11-21-2005, 02:04 PM
If I recall correctly, when the Texans had the first pick David Carr was the best in the draft. The kid had talent, poise, guts, and everything you could want in a young quarterback. If that has changed, what caused it? If the Texans do not pick up his option, then given the same group we have, how is a new comer going to make things different? If the Texans pick up a veteran, who amongst them is going to want their career to go up in smoke? If it it a Liernert or Young who are we to go after the best only to see their careers put in jeopardy and then tossed aside like yesterday's newspaper? Is it possible that Carr could be injured and still trying to lead the team? Answers, please!

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 02:33 PM
:texflag: I'm looking at Carr and not with a camera . I then looked across the field at Green . No I do not blame just Carr but I do believe he's part of the problem . I must have missed all the perfect throws ... oh wait you mean the one to Warfield .
I don't have the man love for Carr like some of you... to me he's not worth an extention . I'd rather take the money and start again building a team .
No I would not draft Lienert either .

cadahnic
11-21-2005, 02:42 PM
I think Carr needs a year under the tutelage of the new regime we are bout to bring in next year. I would not be suprised if you see something comparable to Drew Brees. We are close to that we just need some guys to fill the wholes we have.

MorKnolle
11-21-2005, 03:17 PM
The interception wasn't a great throw but Bradford also ran the route wrong, not to mention he put up no fight for the ball, and some of the other balls that appeared to be missed throws were him just throwing the ball away to avoid a sack, but throwing it towards someone rather than out of bounds.

Wharton
11-21-2005, 03:32 PM
And that is not Davids fault, this organization is doing there best to ruin a good QB.

At what point does it become DC fault?

Lucky
11-21-2005, 03:35 PM
Did you know we are set on giving up the most yards rushing by a Defense EVER.
I did not know that. Can you give us a link for that?

hackitorcrackit
11-21-2005, 03:35 PM
As I sit and watch ESPN News I hope that a Sports Announcer will utter the words, "And Carr from the Texans is fired." But wait, that could only be in mine and some Texan Fan's Dreams!

Outstanding Special Teams Very good game! Perhaps they should play offensive and defensive...

ThaShark316
11-21-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm just not ready to jump the gun on David yet. Yeah he makes some bad decisions, but giving up on QBs early can be trouble. Check back with me this time in 2006 with a new system and see what David is doing. Don't want to make a quick judgement TOO early with Carr like the Chargers did with Brees.


DRAFT MARCEDES LEWIS!!! That's Carr's Antonio Gates. :yahoo:

oldtexan
11-21-2005, 03:56 PM
I have to agree, Carr is not a NFL caliber QB and the sooner he is gone and someone else takes over, the sooner the Texans can start winning again. I realize he is not the entire problem but with what is beginning to look like a number 1 pick in the Draft, the Texans should be able to obtain a much better QB. Also, a lot of the other players need to be let go, like Buchanan for one, has he made a tackle since being here? Maybe new management can turn them around in a couple of years. I have been supporting the Houston Teams for 35 years, good or bad, and will continue to do so, but chnges really need to be made now.

SESupergenius
11-21-2005, 04:07 PM
:texflag: I'm looking at Carr and not with a camera . I then looked across the field at Green . No I do not blame just Carr but I do believe he's part of the problem . I must have missed all the perfect throws ... oh wait you mean the one to Warfield .
I don't have the man love for Carr like some of you... to me he's not worth an extention . I'd rather take the money and start again building a team .
No I would not draft Lienert either .You mean the throw to Bradford in which he didn't even try to get? Yea I saw that one too. You mean the throw where the defense knows what we are going to do because we ran it like 20 times? Maybe we can spread it around a little and utilize the TE and FB in our formations? Nah that won't work either.

SESupergenius
11-21-2005, 04:08 PM
I have to agree, Carr is not a NFL caliber QB and the sooner he is gone and someone else takes over, the sooner the Texans can start winning again. I realize he is not the entire problem but with what is beginning to look like a number 1 pick in the Draft, the Texans should be able to obtain a much better QB. Also, a lot of the other players need to be let go, like Buchanan for one, has he made a tackle since being here? Maybe new management can turn them around in a couple of years. I have been supporting the Houston Teams for 35 years, good or bad, and will continue to do so, but chnges really need to be made now.
Hey, is this new QB going to play defense?

Kaiser Toro
11-21-2005, 04:10 PM
All I can surmise is that Carr is not as bad as some make it out to be and he is not as good as others think. The answer lies in the middle somewhere and that certainly doew not scale out to the money that we have to pay to pick up his option and the subsequent cap hit.

Some say he needs a better Oline or WR's or TE's or better coaching. This all may be true, but a franchise player finds a way to go outside the resources that are available to them and put it on their own shoulders and get it done. I have not seen it being front and center from him for the last 3.5 years, and when I have it has been few and far between.

We have a lemon of a QB and could not make lemonade. I am of the ilk now that we let David, the coaching staff and Cass go. When you are 1-9 it ususally is good a time to start over. Not having an open discussion on making changes at every position, which includes competiton, would the most asinine pocket veto by this organization.

281
11-21-2005, 04:22 PM
Hey, is this new QB going to play defense?

SES, although they may go hand-in-hand the majority of the time, there actually is a difference between poor quarterback play and winning/losing games. Just thought I'd fill you in.

cadahnic
11-21-2005, 04:30 PM
David Carr reminds me of Jake Plummer and actually our team and his Arizona team are very similar. They both suck or sucked never got the past tense thing in english. Anyway Plummer had alot of problems and some were his fault some were the team. Carr has the same problem, now Plummer went to Denver received tutelage from our next head coach Gary Kubiak and the guy is killing people and quietly putting up MVP type numbers. So Carr haters I think you make some good points and as a supporter you may just dismiss what I am saying, but why not start lobbying for Kubiak and keep Carr on for one more year under the 5.5 option that would make him easier to move if he does not work out. He just might be the guy you expect him to be. On the other hand he may be terrible and a Ryan Leaf imitator without the horrid issues.

Kaiser Toro
11-21-2005, 04:43 PM
David Carr reminds me of Jake Plummer and actually our team and his Arizona team are very similar. They both suck or sucked never got the past tense thing in english. Anyway Plummer had alot of problems and some were his fault some were the team. Carr has the same problem, now Plummer went to Denver received tutelage from our next head coach Gary Kubiak and the guy is killing people and quietly putting up MVP type numbers. So Carr haters I think you make some good points and as a supporter you may just dismiss what I am saying, but why not start lobbying for Kubiak and keep Carr on for one more year under the 5.5 option that would make him easier to move if he does not work out. He just might be the guy you expect him to be. On the other hand he may be terrible and a Ryan Leaf imitator without the horrid issues.

Don't buy the Jake Plummer comparision. Jake at least was orchestrating comebacks while in Arizona. I wish Carr had the moxie Plummer had, instead of the fat contract our team extended him.

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 04:46 PM
:texflag: I think the team gives Carr a no confidence vote . Its not all coaching and its not the WRs are flat out terrible and its not all the OLs fault . It seems the blame never lands on the QB and that is an injustice to the rest of the team and now he could'nt lead a bunch of starving miners to a buffett
.
We need Falco .

Kaiser Toro
11-21-2005, 04:49 PM
:texflag: I think the team gives Carr a no confidence vote . Its not all coaching and its not the WRs are flat out terrible and its not all the OLs fault . It seems the blame never lands on the QB and that is an injustice to the rest of the team and now he could'nt lead a bunch of starving miners to a buffett
.
We need Falco .

One word sums up Carr's career in Houston, implosion.

cadahnic
11-21-2005, 04:52 PM
Carr has played his best football coming from behind. Whether it be KC last year or Jacksonville, Minnesota, or Dallas. I mean Carr has tried also to engineer comebacks. I respect that you do not buy it, but I think the comparison is pretty accurate. Everyone said Plummer was a bust and stared down his receivers and always made a mistake when it was a big play. I remember Phil Simms saying tha Plummer will never be able to win in this league. If Carr goes to another team then that is fine and he may play well or not, likely he will if he goes to a team like Oakland, Arizona, or Baltimore. Arizona and Oakland are quite interested. D. Green has said that Carr has all the intangibles he likes in his QBs and thinks he can make tons of plays if he had the talent around him. I think D. Green knows some things about football. My question is why do you want Carr gone and who do you think will be able to do a better job next year or the year after that. This assuming that other holes in the team will be shored up.

Kaiser Toro
11-21-2005, 04:57 PM
There is one big difference in comparing DC with Plummer, expectations. DC was the first pick in the draft, Jake was not. I would argue that if DC were not the first pick in the draft we would have more money available to spend on other deficiencies.

As far as the four games that were mentioned we only won three of them and I would not classify them as great comebacks where the QB was surgical ala Elway, Marino, Brady etc.

Carr will be better wherever he goes, because he will have to compete and the team will not be exhausting cap space on him as we do, therefore able to get better players around him.

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 05:03 PM
:ok: What would Denny give for Carr ? I think that this team is contaminated with the losing funk and it seems that the only course of action is to clean house . That being said Bob needs to hire a guy like Ron Wolfe to advise on the future of this team and what to do about Carr , Mckinney , Wiegert , Coleman and any other high paid under performing player

We are 1-9 ... you could play rookie free agents making the minimum and be 1-9 . This is a train wreck and nobody should get coddled any longer .

TheOgre
11-21-2005, 05:08 PM
It will be shocking if it happens, but don't be surprised if both Carr and Casserly are back for another run. Capers is clearly gone though.

rmartin65
11-21-2005, 05:17 PM
Can everybody stop harping on Carr? He can only do the plays that are called for him, with the time that is alloted to him.

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 05:17 PM
:texflag: What if Capers played a bad hand for 3yrs and when he lost his veteran leaders he had to fold . Remember their Defense had some great stretches last year and that more than the offense won them games . What if out of the big 3 Cs he might have done the best job . I think he should be let go but not the first .

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 06:25 PM
:brickwall Why is that they just call these plays ? I'll never find the forest with so many trees around .

thegr8fan
11-21-2005, 06:29 PM
people harp on Carr because he stank it up against the Chiefs like 6 day old fish. He deserves it. Anyone that can't see that is either related to him, on his payroll in some capacity, or just plain football stoooopid.

Carr is part of the problem. Is he the entire problem, no, not at all. But he IS part of the problem, and specifically his poor playing, bad decisions, and lack of talent.

Now having said that, I don't see him as being totally wasted either. He does show some flash's of competence and instinct, occasionally. I would not be totally opposed to seeing him pick up the 2 year option and see what some new coach's could do to salvage him.

He will not EVER, not here in Houston, or anywhere else he goes, be a GREAT QB. He simply doesn't have the mental facility or overall talent to become one, IMO. But what he could become is an average NFL starting QB, that can learn how to manage the game and not throw the game away via INT's.

Porky
11-21-2005, 06:38 PM
people harp on Carr because he stank it up against the Chiefs like 6 day old fish. He deserves it. Anyone that can't see that is either related to him, on his payroll in some capacity, or just plain football stoooopid.

Carr is part of the problem. Is he the entire problem, no, not at all. But he IS part of the problem, and specifically his poor playing, bad decisions, and lack of talent.

Now having said that, I don't see him as being totally wasted either. He does show some flash's of competence and instinct, occasionally. I would not be totally opposed to seeing him pick up the 2 year option and see what some new coach's could do to salvage him.

He will not EVER, not here in Houston, or anywhere else he goes, be a GREAT QB. He simply doesn't have the mental facility or overall talent to become one, IMO. But what he could become is an average NFL starting QB, that can learn how to manage the game and not throw the game away via INT's.


I agree with your evaulation, which means he is drastically overpaid. If he is such a Christian, upstanding, family man, why doesn't he offer to renegiotate an extension? Is that possible? After all, I do believe theft is one of the ten commandements, and right now, the only distinction I see between him and a common criminal is he doesn't hold a gun to Mcnair's head. I also think the fact that he is extremely overpaid is leading to divesisness on the team. People see someone not carrying their load vis-a-vis their salary, and it causes issues.

infantrycak
11-21-2005, 06:53 PM
If he is such a Christian, upstanding, family man, why doesn't he offer to renegiotate an extension? Is that possible? After all, I do believe theft is one of the ten commandements, and right now, the only distinction I see between him and a common criminal is he doesn't hold a gun to Mcnair's head.

Wow, that is just pathetic IMO. There is plenty of room for crticizing Carr's on field performance but the insults, character comments and now I guess accusations of mortal sins that are flying around here are out of line IMO.

aj.
11-21-2005, 07:00 PM
Did you know we are set on giving up the most yards rushing by a Defense EVER.

And you came to that conclusion how?

thegr8fan
11-21-2005, 07:04 PM
I don't know of too many people who go back to their boss and tell him their pay raise was too much and would they take some of it back please, so NO Carr shouldn't do that either, IMHO. If he is being overpaid, and you'll get no argument from me that he ain't playing up to his payscale, that is Casserly's knock, not Carr's, IMHO.

I can see the sense in putting Carr out in FA and seeing what the market is willing to offer him. But I am betting it would be in the neighborhood of a 5.5 million signing bonus. I don't think he would be offered 8 million though. But I am sure that it would come with a multi-year contract offer also. So I would be very happy with the 5.5 million, 2 year option as it seems to 'give a little to get a little'

281
11-21-2005, 07:45 PM
Finaly somebody that makes sense.

And does not just throw acusations out there.

The main reason we have put that offense in is because of Carr's inability to throw the deep ball accurately or challenge the middle of the field... His only pass attempt past 20 yards was a pick-six. His completions almost always have to come on a hitch, dump-off, or screen since he is locked on to his target for the entire time he has the ball. He only got sacked once, and when there was some pressure on the tackles, he didn't step up in the pocket to throw the ball. Sure, there were a few drops, but there were many more misreads/inaccurate throws. The season is clearly over, we've already clinched another below .500 season, we might as well see what else we have at the QB position.

:brickwall

NFLforher
11-21-2005, 08:30 PM
Can everybody stop harping on Carr? He can only do the plays that are called for him, with the time that is alloted to him.


True. I was just listening to sports talk radio here in California and they were talking how great Carr looked and how they would like to see him in silver and black and that he would be great on other teams.

NFLforher
11-21-2005, 08:35 PM
When he threw that pick last night and instead of chasing after the defender he threw his hands in the air...he lost me. Good for him if he can be successul elsewhere, but he is simply not worth an $8 million bonus and three year contract extension.

He threw his hands in the air because the receiver just stood there and didn't attempt to go after the guy who caught the interception. Most receivers will turn and attempt to tackle the defender.

NFLforher
11-21-2005, 08:36 PM
Carr was constantly dumping the ball or throwing the ball quickly. He only "had time" becuase he was getting rid of it so fast. look at what manning does the next time he plays and you will see a big difference. Manning takes a few steps back and looks all over the field. Want to know why Carr doesnt? If he did, he's be sacked behind this pathetic Swiss Cheese line of ours. Put a real line in front of him, show him he atually will be protected, and then you will see his play.

Oh, and also we need to stop this Mickey Mouse style of Play calling.


I agree totally.

real
11-21-2005, 08:39 PM
He threw his hands in the air because the receiver just stood there and didn't attempt to go after the guy who caught the interception. Most receivers will turn and attempt to tackle the defender.
So that makes it exscusable for him to look at the guy and throw his hands up?

NFLforher
11-21-2005, 08:39 PM
So that makes it exscusable for him to look at the guy and throw his hands up?


Yeah.

real
11-21-2005, 08:41 PM
So that makes it exscusable for him to look at the guy and throw his hands up?
Im neither a Carr Hater or a Carr Supporter. I get mad at times because he makes some awful descisons and at times makes even worse throws. But I do agree that we should build around him, get a new coaching staff, make changes on the o-line and then see what we truly have in him.

real
11-21-2005, 08:43 PM
Yeah.
how does that make it o.k? he's our last line when an interception is thrown and he shouldn't have been paying attention to whether or not the guy was trying to make the tackle; he should've been more concerned with making it.

Porky
11-21-2005, 08:47 PM
Wow, that is just pathetic IMO. There is plenty of room for crticizing Carr's on field performance but the insults, character comments and now I guess accusations of mortal sins that are flying around here are out of line IMO.

I didn't say he committed one of the seven deadly sins, but I will say he is at Number 8 with a bullet. :yahoo:

BTW - lighten up. Just a bit of wicked satire to help stir the pot a bit. :ok:

Honoring Earl 34
11-21-2005, 08:50 PM
:challenge Hey... Peyton Manning made a tackle in the Bengals game on an interception . If he can do it I guess its not to much to ask of Carr to put his hands down and stop being Jeff George jr..

GP
11-21-2005, 09:45 PM
I used to be a Carr Hater.

They make the guy throw quick outs over and over and over. Someone was bound to jump the route at some point, and they could do it because they had the point margin to try it.

He is better than he looks this season. The whole team is in shambles. Other than special teams, which only gets to score when we just gotscored on ourselves, is the only unit playing worth their salaries. The coaching is just abismal and deficient in ever manner and I now feel in my heart that Carr is a victim of that. His attitude was horrible at the start of the season, and it has gotten better. I think talking to Dilfer really turned him around. You can see that he is just shaking off the bad stuff and now he's thinking about next year. And in the meantime Carr knows he doesn't have to throw Capers under the bus because he's already marked for extinction.

The guy can play. Remember the juke and score he made against the Saints last year on a QB keeper? Phenomenal athleticism. And the dive over the pile against Jacksonville last year to win the game? Gutsy and determined. And his passes when thrown in the pocket are lasers and usually on target.

No, I say re-structure his contract and keep him here. Leinart is good, but he's not a savior (bum knee, weak schedule, low mobility). Reggie Bush is more worthy of our pick than Leinart ever will be. Could you imagine AJ, Mathis, Bush? My goodness. Anyway, the point is that NFL QBs out of college have recently been lower quality than usual with Palmer and Roethlisberger the exception. Therefore, dance with the guy who brung ya' (Carr) and get more talent on the team. I'd rather get a stud o linemen on our line and see what Carr can do with that and with a beter coaching staff.

But really al of it comes down to whether we have a hobby owner or a business owner. A hobby owner will spend the dough to get the goods, and a business owner will nickel and dime us to death just barely getting by with mid-level talent and tinkering every off-season. I fear we have a business owner, and if he tinkers with this team instead of giving us the goods, then I will be sorely disappointed. Yeah, thanks for bringing NFL football back to Houston so we can look like a flag football team (and "Yes" that comment was mostly for Phyllis Buchanon).

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 10:00 AM
:texflag: Hulk please enlighten us as to what we should see . I mean we just can't seem to grasp it .
The bottom line is ... should Carr get a bonus for his play . We know the OLis not that good , we know the scheme is bad , we are talking about the QB play . Has he shown enough to be given an extension for 2-3 more years ?

Vinny
11-27-2005, 11:06 AM
When the organization surrounds him with great talent, and he can't do anything. (See Joey Harrington).Carr IS supposed to be that "great talent" that is brought in to help out the less talented but he hasn't lived up to his hype. What we get out of Carr we could get out of a journeyman QB and use that wasted money to bring in better players.

Tex-fan0604
11-27-2005, 11:23 AM
How do u expect him to live up to all the hype when he gets no help at all.he's only one player and you have to remember this is a team sport and it takes everyone to make a play.

Wolf
11-27-2005, 11:29 AM
I don't speak for Vinny (and he doesn't need it), but I agree with him.

I see a horse before the cart or cart before the horse scenario

One had we have Carr and who does he have to draw a defense away from the box.. AJ and that is basiclly it.. Bradford and <insert any TE> doesn't help at this point.. DD is a solid back but doesn't scare a defense (i.e. for you Wells hater and DD lovers..they have about the same stats overall).. with that Carr has his hands TE by the offense

other hand.. Carr doesn't help himself out either.. his reads are slow (when he has time) and he misses alot of reads.. and his reads seem to be 1st option.. then DD ..

tsip
11-27-2005, 11:34 AM
When the organization surrounds him with great talent, and he can't do anything. (See Joey Harrington).

...so, this is the standard in the NFL? QB's can only be successful when everything around them is perfect!?....gotta love it!

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 12:59 PM
:texflag: Carr is not a great talent . The year he was drafted he was rated a 4.68 out of a possible 6.0 . The rating of a 5.0 to a 6.0 was considered a great talent .

Honoring Earl 34
11-27-2005, 01:04 PM
:texflag: Gil Brandt NFL.com . I guess he's a moron to.

thunderkyss
01-13-2006, 11:03 AM
I completely agree with touttail. The announcers were mentioning all the time during the game. He locks on his primary receiver and if the guy is covered he will either run out of bounds for a loss or throw an interception.

His mechanics are terrible and he is the most inaccurate QB in the NFL right now. He has more one-hoppers and throws that are 3 feet over the receivers heads than any QB that I have seen in the NFL this year. Our offensive line sucks but last night it gave him some time and he still couldn't do anything with it.

Draft Bush or trade out of the first pick to get Ferguson and another pick. Let Carr leave town and bring in a free agent veteran QB. Of course fire Casserly and Capers and bring in guys who can atually coach and spot talent. We will be back on the road to respectability if we do that.


Wow Texans Fight, you were for getting rid of Carr even when there wasn't a valid option......... I commend you for sticking to your guns sir.

HJam72
01-13-2006, 07:54 PM
Bench Carr, see if you have anything with Ragone for the rest of the season. Carr is horribly inaccurate and can only make a screen pass or a 5 yard out. His mechanics are terrible and he is shot. Chalk up him up as a bust and move on. The franchise will be better for it. If we pick up the option we will be in cap hell when we finally hire a GM and coaching staff who realize we have a bust on their hands.

Here's the reply:

**** you!!! My team didn't execute.

Here's the commentary:

hjam is always right carr is a stud vy will bust bush will bust trade down trade down can't you see what do usc d sucks go tejas!!! :idonno:

....and....

Boom! there it is.