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TexansJunkE
11-20-2005, 07:59 AM
.........take the best player in the draft REGGIE BUSH! I'm all for fixing something that is broke, but if you have the #1 pick you must take a playmaker that has the ability to take it the distance everytime he touches the ball. I know we have DD and I think he is a good reliable player, and then we have Wells and Morency. Question, why do we take Morency in the
3rd round and then he hardly ever plays? Anyways there should be enough OT's in this draft where we can take one in the 2nd. I also have another "Hypothetical Question" to ask you. If Detroit is as deperate as it seems to get a QB, WHAT IF they offer us Roy williams and the 13th pick in the first. Do you bite? I say yes. this kinda reminds me of the Budweiser True men of Genius. I think this is a little more realistic though.

touttail
11-20-2005, 08:23 AM
If you have the first pick and not draft Bush, you should get somekind of a great deal from a team the really needs a good RB like Bush. We could use some extra picks to help[ us on the OL and Def.

bobby 119C:brickwall

HoustonFan
11-20-2005, 09:25 AM
If you have the first pick and not draft Bush, you should get somekind of a great deal from a team the really needs a good RB like Bush. We could use some extra picks to help[ us on the OL and Def.

bobby 119C:brickwall

I agree.But then again, just thinking about what LT has done for the Chargers... I may be looking to jump on the band wagon for Reggie Bush. Only thing is that there are still some issues with the O-line that need to be addressed - left tackle and tight end, I hope they use the tight end more often than they have.

Double Barrel
11-20-2005, 09:49 AM
Yeah, Reggie Bush! So we can ruin another no. 1 pick with lots of potential. It'll be like our "thing" as a team. ;)

Sorry folks, but either the offensive line is a priority, or we will continue to be a losing franchise. We've got some players to work with, so it might not be that much of a stretch to get a couple of more and have a dominating line year in and year out.

Think of Denver's line, who can make just about every RB they put back there look like a stud. And a solid, consistent line can make even mediocre QBs look good.

Buffi2
11-20-2005, 10:23 AM
Sorry folks, but either the offensive line is a priority, or we will continue to be a losing franchise. We've got some players to work with, so it might not be that much of a stretch to get a couple of more and have a dominating line year in and year out.

Think of Denver's line, who can make just about every RB they put back there look like a stud. And a solid, consistent line can make even mediocre QBs look good.

Much as I would love to see Reggie Bush wearing a Texan uniform - I agree with Double Barrel. We have to draft to get a better o-line - top priority - no sidetracking. Without an offensive line that can hold defenders larger than your average 12 year old, no matter how good you are in college, it isn't going to happen in the nfl. With our current players (minus a few), an effective oline that is the focus of the off-season and a new coaching staff goes without saying - I think we could be an above average team next year.:texflag:

Keyser Soze
11-22-2005, 03:41 PM
.........take the best player in the draft REGGIE BUSH! I'm all for fixing something that is broke, but if you have the #1 pick you must take a playmaker that has the ability to take it the distance everytime he touches the ball.

Ok, I'll put a different light on this thought:

XXXXXX's first-round draft pick, 1989. . .Electrifying running style. . .First player to rush for 1,000 yards his first 10 seasons. . .Led NFL in rushing four times. . .NFL's MVP, 1997. . .Gained 2,053 yards including record 14 straight 100-yard games, 1997. . .Career rushing record: 15,269 yards, 99 TDs. . .First- or second-team All-NFL each of his 10 seasons. . .Selected to 10 Pro Bowls

A playmaker, right? His career defines the success of one athlete in a team sport. His team was garbage. One great player on a crap team doesn't get the job done in this league. Drafting Reggie Bush to play for the Texans in their current form would be bad football management. Oh, without googling the clues, can you tell me who I'm talking about? He was a perennial all-pro, and his team never went anywhere.

mj.
11-22-2005, 03:50 PM
Barry Sanders

beerlover
11-22-2005, 03:54 PM
I would be in favor of a Reggie Bush/Pete Carrol package :)

College Texan
11-22-2005, 04:01 PM
ooh, Pete Carrol as head and J.Johnson as GM, bring in a real DC and OC and we're ready for next season.

Keyser Soze
11-22-2005, 04:04 PM
Barry Sanders

Give that man a cigar.

Do you see my analogy? Reggie Bush does not cure this team. No more than Barry Sanders did for the Lions - which he didn't. He certainly performed well. The key is this club has woes well and beyond RB. Reggie Bush's talent would be squandered here.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 04:16 PM
Give that man a cigar.

Do you see my analogy? Reggie Bush does not cure this team. No more than Barry Sanders did for the Lions - which he didn't. He certainly performed well. The key is this club has woes well and beyond RB. Reggie Bush's talent would be squandered here.

Uhhhhhh they were only a consistent playoff team every year with crappy quarterbacks and bad defenses. Wait! Sounds like the Texans if they keep Carr.

Keyser Soze
11-22-2005, 04:54 PM
Uhhhhhh they were only a consistent playoff team every year with crappy quarterbacks and bad defenses.

Barely a playoff team. One NFC championship game, and four first-round exits as wild cards. His other five seasons with Detroit they had losing records, including three 5-11 seasons.

Maybe the Texans need Reggie so they can get up to 5-11?

TheOgre
11-22-2005, 05:13 PM
Like I said before, Reggie Bush is this year's Sean Taylor.

Who would you rather add to this team, Brian Westbrook or Walter Jones? Better yet. Would you rather have Brian Westbrook or Walter Jones AND another 1st round pick? If we end up with the 1st overall pick, we might be able to trade down 2-3 slots and get Ferguson and another high pick/high picks.

SESupergenius
11-22-2005, 05:41 PM
Thing about that is, that makes perfect sense. But look who we have as a GM, do you really trust him to make such an obvious deal?
He'll probably trade the 1st pick for next years 1 and 2 and leave us with our peepees dangling in the wind for this year. Then next year he'll trade up and take someone who no ones even thought about (see Joppru, Babin, etc..)

Huge
11-22-2005, 07:52 PM
Uhhhhhh they were only a consistent playoff team every year with crappy quarterbacks and bad defenses. Wait! Sounds like the Texans if they keep Carr.
Exactly.

So what sense would it make to duplicate that concept?

Napa Auto Parts
11-22-2005, 08:15 PM
How many first rounders does that san diego offensive line have?

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 08:40 PM
Exactly.

So what sense would it make to duplicate that concept?
GET RID OF CARR and upgrade the defense.

Huge
11-22-2005, 09:01 PM
GET RID OF CARR and upgrade the defense.
And how do you propose they upgrade the defense while concentrating their next two first round draft picks on offense?

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 09:18 PM
And how do you propose they upgrade the defense while concentrating their next two first round draft picks on offense?

Well according to you they got someone with solid potential in the 6th round last year or was it 5th? C.C. Brown. Draft Slay then.

There is something called free agency these days. The Giants used it to upgrade their wide outs. Possibly the Texans could do the same with the defense.

Aaron Weaver, Will Allen, or Julian Peterson would be nice. But, why would they want to come here? Especially Allen.

They should draft Aaron Harris in the 4th round.

This is going to be a rebuilding team for a few years. Especially if the franchise QB is taken in 07.

Huge
11-22-2005, 10:08 PM
Well according to you they got someone with solid potential in the 6th round last year or was it 5th? C.C. Brown. Draft Slay then.

There is something called free agency these days. The Giants used it to upgrade their wide outs. Possibly the Texans could do the same with the defense.

Aaron Weaver, Will Allen, or Julian Peterson would be nice. But, why would they want to come here? Especially Allen.

They should draft Aaron Harris in the 4th round.

This is going to be a rebuilding team for a few years. Especially if the franchise QB is taken in 07.
And they got Domanick Davis in the 4th round. See how that works? Or do you also feel they shouldn't pin their hopes on every 6th round pick working out like Brown did?

I believe there was also a free agency period last year. How did Casserly do?

Why draft Harris in the 4th when you can draft him in the 6th? And at 5'11, 230, is that the LBer you want manning a 3-4 scheme?

DRAMA
11-23-2005, 12:32 AM
So, we're now calling BRICK a no brainer WALTER JONES but Reggie Bush is the equal of little 5'8" Brian Westbrook? Bush is a kid and he's 6'0" 200lbs and will most likely be 210 215 or so as he gets a little older. He's strong as a rock. Brian Westbrook is a little scatback. Why oh why are people already starting these 'yeah but he can't....' threads.

Every team in the league (Besides those who need a QB) takes Bush. Every team does not take Brick. Some teams do not take Brick over Winston, McNeill, Justice, etc...

Keep Pitts at LT, draft a RT, drop McKinney, and pick up a couple of free agent guards...and draft the homerun hitter.

Dom was drafted to return kicks and be a third down back. He WILL miss 3-5 games a year - he always has. Don't picture Bush in Capers/Casserly's offense - picture him in a real offense.

infantrycak
11-23-2005, 12:49 AM
Comparing Bush to Westbrook makes every bit as much sense as comparing him to Barry Sanders.

Sanders--2,628 rushing yards in one college season with 39 TD's.
Bush--1,398 with 13 TD's.

Sorry, but neither on film, nor in the stats, does the Bush hype live up to the Sanders reality IMO. And yes I have watched him play. He is an excellent perhaps even phenominal open field runner, but last I checked, that isn't a position on an NFL team.

DRAMA
11-23-2005, 01:03 AM
I don't think he's Barry really either. However, I would lean toward Barry over Westbrook. BW is an OK football player and would never go near the top of a draft and would never be considered an elite player. BW wouldn't start for the Eagles if Buckhalter could've ever stayed healthy.

BW has nice hands and good speed. He's ok. Reggie Bush makes people look like they've never actually played football. Don't get me wrong, I like Brick and if this was last year's draft, I'd take him hands down. But you have to admit that this years draft is SO deep at Tackle. We could really end up with some decent additions there in the 2 and 3,3. Gimme Bush at 1 and OL with the next 2 or 3 of 3 and I'll be happy.

However, with that said, if we can pillage some team into some disaster trade (Gallery, Clark(LB), their #1 and #2) well, then I'd say - Welcome to the RAYYDUHHHZZZZ!!! You never know!

The funny thing is - no matter the scenario that you or I come up with, when we look back at it on Monday after the draft, we'll most likely be completely wrong! :)

yaboycm
11-23-2005, 02:51 AM
And they got Domanick Davis in the 4th round. See how that works? Or do you also feel they shouldn't pin their hopes on every 6th round pick working out like Brown did?

I believe there was also a free agency period last year. How did Casserly do?

Why draft Harris in the 4th when you can draft him in the 6th? And at 5'11, 230, is that the LBer you want manning a 3-4 scheme?

Dude, I think that we should completely start over and keep like 10 players, hire an entire new coaching staff, new gm. There are so many things I think should be done. Drafting a safety in the 6th round is just a small piece of the puzzle. Harris won't last that long. He is a playmaker and a tough dude. Yeah, that is who I want manning down a 4-3 scheme. A dude who will just fly all over the field making plays who can blitz or cover TEs.

1 - Bush
2 - O-Line, #2 receiver
3 - David Thomas
4 - Harris
5 - Speed corner, O-Line, D-Line
6 - Slay
7 - Speed corner, O-Line, D-Line

Keyser Soze
11-23-2005, 12:05 PM
Comparing Bush to Westbrook makes every bit as much sense as comparing him to Barry Sanders.


I brought up Sanders because the hype around Bush is so thick I wanted to show how even an all-pro like Sanders doesn't make a dog of a team into an instant winner. Personally I find it a real shame Sander's career was squandered like it was. The guy was phenominal. In an age when that adjective is overused, he really was.

Reggie Bush is not Barry Sanders. Even if he were, the problems on this team run a lot deeper than that.

Huge
11-23-2005, 12:12 PM
Bush is more comparable to Marshall Faulk than anybody else. Bush has a little more speed (in Faulk's prime, of course) but Faulk has better vision. Both are/were great receivers (out of the back-field or lined up as a WR).

SESupergenius
11-23-2005, 05:13 PM
Bush is more comparable to Marshall Faulk than anybody else. Bush has a little more speed (in Faulk's prime, of course) but Faulk has better vision. Both are/were great receivers (out of the back-field or lined up as a WR).
Faulk however had nowhere neat the talent that USC does. I like a back who excels heavily in a small program because it shows what they can do with the limited talent around them.

real
11-23-2005, 06:25 PM
Give that man a cigar.

Do you see my analogy? Reggie Bush does not cure this team. No more than Barry Sanders did for the Lions - which he didn't. He certainly performed well. The key is this club has woes well and beyond RB. Reggie Bush's talent would be squandered here.
so the lions shouldn't have taken barry is what you're saying? and the dolphins shouldn't have taken Marino....? There have been plenty of dominant players on bad teams. No one is saying that bush would turn our franchise around. Of course not...but what would be worse? Passing on Bush and getting an OL that doesn't make a difference, or Taking Bush and having an extra playmaker not making a difference...It is hard to get playmakers in the NFL especially of his caliber...There are only a couple of teams with O-line troubles...I say take what you can while you can and worry about minor things like o-line later...everyone has a decent to dominant o-line, because o-lineman that can get the job done arent hard to come by...What would hinder us most lack of playmakers or the lack of D'Brick or Winston?

real
11-23-2005, 06:27 PM
So, we're now calling BRICK a no brainer WALTER JONES but Reggie Bush is the equal of little 5'8" Brian Westbrook? Bush is a kid and he's 6'0" 200lbs and will most likely be 210 215 or so as he gets a little older. He's strong as a rock. Brian Westbrook is a little scatback. Why oh why are people already starting these 'yeah but he can't....' threads.

Every team in the league (Besides those who need a QB) takes Bush. Every team does not take Brick. Some teams do not take Brick over Winston, McNeill, Justice, etc...

Keep Pitts at LT, draft a RT, drop McKinney, and pick up a couple of free agent guards...and draft the homerun hitter.

Dom was drafted to return kicks and be a third down back. He WILL miss 3-5 games a year - he always has. Don't picture Bush in Capers/Casserly's offense - picture him in a real offense.
agreed...

Huge
11-23-2005, 06:28 PM
I like a back who excels heavily in a small program because it shows what they can do with the limited talent around them.
I never liked this argument because you could also say he was playing against lesser talent. 'Course, seeing how USC is in the PAC-10, it's a good bet Bush hasn't had to face too many tough defenses either. :)

But for the record, I'd take Faulk over Bush as well. Marshall was more of a true RB. There was never a question about where he'd play.

God of Wine
11-23-2005, 06:55 PM
I would love to draft Bush. I think we should just wait and see how the season plays out. Because I wanted to draft Willis McGahee in 2003 before he got hurt and we see how that played out. :embarrass We did end up with AJ though. :)

Sanders--2,628 rushing yards in one college season with 39 TD's.

Wow I forgot what a phenominal season he had. I just remember every time watching the OSU Cowboys that year he was running for a TD. How many touches did he have compared to Bush? I looked it up and Bush has 163 attempts rushing and Sanders had 344. Thats about double the attempts with Bush having one more game this year.

I can't believe we are even in positon to draft(as of this week) Bush. I had my eye on him last year thinking we wouldn't be in the position to draft him. Well I was wrong.:embarrass Like I said though let's see how the season plays out. Oh never mind the Texans will have the #1 pick.:)

beerlover
11-23-2005, 09:32 PM
I would love to draft Bush. I think we should just wait and see how the season plays out. Because I wanted to draft Willis McGahee in 2003 before he got hurt and we see how that played out. :embarrass We did end up with AJ though.

I'm glad someone else brought this up because this was a case in point where a trade down scenero similiar to this year should have happened. The Texans going into year two should have traded down and added quality picks (AJ being a great player, but is he any better than Bush? I think not). I cannot say what the Texans could have gotten for trading down in 03 but suffice it to say if they traded down twice to the 15-18 area and then drafted Willis McGahee, they would not have taken that flyer on Hollings & aquired a pair of quality players in addition to a franchise back would now be in fold. :)

MorKnolle
11-25-2005, 10:46 AM
AJ has been one of the best picks in this franchise's history. There is no one in that draft I would rather have than AJ.

beerlover
11-25-2005, 11:26 AM
AJ has been one of the best picks in this franchise's history. There is no one in that draft I would rather have than AJ.

no single player maybe but how about two or three starters as oppossed to one? again what is the difference between Andre Johnson or a Reggie Bush? I would hope even if some fans have not learned the powers that be use this opportunity to trade down for more players & address multiple needs:cool:

Scooter
11-27-2005, 03:50 AM
AJ has been one of the best picks in this franchise's history. There is no one in that draft I would rather have than AJ.

by trading down to 5 and picking up an extra 2nd & 3rd, basically becoming dallas, you'd get terence newman (CB), al johnson (C), and jason witten (TE) who are all starting this year for a playoff team, plus your origional 2nd & 3rd. i'd make that trade, who wouldnt? by season's end, we should have the first or second pick and be in exactly that situation. nomatter how good andre johnson is or ever will be (or bush), they cant single handedly carry a pathetic team. this is why fans arent allowed to make personnel decisions (and neither should texans/lions management) ... we need to be building a TEAM.

leinhart & bush coming out this year will be perfect for the texans, not because we could draft them, but because someone will undoubtedly do something stupid to move up. i hope we exploit that and come away with a handfull of first-day picks.

Carr Bombed
11-27-2005, 04:23 AM
yada..yada...yada...we should of traded down in the 03 draft.....Its so easy to sit back almost 3 years later and say we should of done this or that. I mean really it is so hard to sit back and watch surprise players that over acheive and say dang!, we should of grabbed 'em, why didn't we see that. Whos to say if we did trade down we would of grabbed players with even half the talent of AJ with those extra picks. I swear after a year like this when we probably only have a handful of solid players...players that we can build around people question if we should of drafted them. After taking a qb #1 no team trades down in the next draft, they take a playmaker and try to build around him. After all the disapointments in this season I can't believe people are questioning drafting AJ

Scooter
11-27-2005, 05:46 AM
I swear after a year like this when we probably only have a handful of solid players...players that we can build around people question if we should of drafted them.

thanks for making my point. we have a handful of solid players and an entire roster of duds. sure, that scenario can also backfire if we select bennie joppru equivelants with every pick, but the odds dont favor that happening. that was just one scenario because dallas was the only team i noticed that didnt move around and was in a target draft area. the way these flavor of the month draft choice fans are wanting to do things is make it a handful of solid players +1 and leave the rest of the team in shambles. we were then and we are now building a team from scratch, as opposed to improving an already established one.

what holes in this team does reggie bush fill? te? nope, o-line? nope, lb? nope, cb? nope, safety? nope, de? nope, depth? nope. these are HOLES, not areas that could use an upgrade. trading down and using first pick on a LT fills (assuming they arent all busts) several of those holes and lets the "handful of solid players" become a handful of real standouts and hopefully something resembling an nfl TEAM. besides, everyone posting "draft this flavor of the month!!" was screaming "why in 4 years have we still not addressed the offensive line?!" just a few weeks ago, and will revert to that again by next preseason if we forget to fix things.

i do have a question though. if bush is able to rush for 150 yards and 2 td's every game ... do we win games if we're still allowing 160+ yds rushing and 29+ pts?

MorKnolle
11-27-2005, 07:39 AM
yada..yada...yada...we should of traded down in the 03 draft.....Its so easy to sit back almost 3 years later and say we should of done this or that. I mean really it is so hard to sit back and watch surprise players that over acheive and say dang!, we should of grabbed 'em, why didn't we see that. Whos to say if we did trade down we would of grabbed players with even half the talent of AJ with those extra picks. I swear after a year like this when we probably only have a handful of solid players...players that we can build around people question if we should of drafted them. After taking a qb #1 no team trades down in the next draft, they take a playmaker and try to build around him. After all the disapointments in this season I can't believe people are questioning drafting AJ
I agree, hindsight is always 20/20. As for Jason Witten, we could have drafted him anyways but we took Joppru in front of him, so getting AJ and not trading down had nothing to do with not getting Witten. I would not have wanted to give AJ away anyways. Coming into the draft all we heard about was Charles Rogers is so great but I think AJ is the next Terrell Owens-type WR assuming we throw the ball to him, and he doesn't have all the attitude problems that TO does.

threetoedpete
11-27-2005, 04:57 PM
Like I said before, Reggie Bush is this year's Sean Taylor.

Who would you rather add to this team, Brian Westbrook or Walter Jones? Better yet. Would you rather have Brian Westbrook or Walter Jones AND another 1st round pick? If we end up with the 1st overall pick, we might be able to trade down 2-3 slots and get Ferguson and another high pick/high picks.
That's my Christmass pray Ogre. I hope the Bush flames get whipped up so high we get a Hershel Walker deal out of it. I'm wondering how many of these
RB fans watched that fiasco today. Mind boggeling. The bottom line is this football team couldn't defend a ten point lead at the end of the game against a beat up St Louis team that droped a few on the road befor this game. If they draft Bush it's going to be a long time befor this team wins again. I see a track guy in pads not Gale Sayers. JMHO.