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yaboycm
11-20-2005, 01:56 AM
As I went to type something that would eventually end up on "how the Texans should draft Vincent Young," Reggie Bush popped on my television doing what it seems he does every game, run for a touchdown over 50 yards. Reminding me that this is what the Texans need, among other things.

A guy like Marvin Harrison, T.O., Moss, a guy who is a threat to score a touchdown every time he touches the ball. Especially on a team that is .4 points a game away from being next to last in the league in scoring. He can do it on special teams too. Mathis is good, but he is injury prone. Throw Bush out there on punt returns and pair him with Mathis on kickoff returns.

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And is it any coincidence that the teams on the bottom of that list of scoring, Ravens, Jets, Texans, 49ers, Browns, Saints, Bills, all have issues at quarterback? Or any coincidence that the Vikings scoring went down from 25.3 last year with Moss to 17.1 this year without Moss? The Raiders went up to 22.4 a game, a modest raise of 2.4. But the season isn't over, they could use the rest of the year to figure out how to use him to get him in the end zone to raise that average. Plus the Raiders are also on the "Issues at Quarterback List."

Ones thing for sure though, when you take a playmaker like that off a team, you will definitely see a difference. Mike Vick is on that list and there is a quarterback who plays college in Texas who is on that list. Bush is someone versatile who can stretch the field. LT, but a better receiver, especially wide. Santana Moss potential at receiver. Colleges now recruit "Athletes." Well one of those "Athletes" is coming to the NFL.

"It's like he gets shot out of a cannon" and if you catch him, IF YOU DO, he'll make a move on you. Teams might want to double or press this guy, maybe both. This could free get AJ more 1-1 coverage. Opening up running lanes. He is just one of those guys who is literally a threat to take it to the house every time. Has flashes of Barry Sanders when he runs. He can make a 2 yard loss turn into a 5 yard gain in 10 minutes.

The Texans Should Pair Up Reggie Bush and Vince Young

The Dolphins got their running back last year and will get their guy who takes snaps in April. Matt Leinart. They got Ronnie Brown, "The Best Young Running Back In Football.................................Before A Man Named Reggie Bush Came Along," last year.
They have an excellent #2 back who is definitely above average. Ricky has potential to be the best in the business. Wait! That's sounds like Reggie Bush and Vincent Young. Guys who have the potential to be the best in the business at their position. They have done it in college and there is an expectation not the think otherwise in the NFL.

But about Bush:
I think BUSH could lead to the new generation of “athletes” maybe the “new generation fullbacks." Guys who are receivers, runners, blockers as opposed to blockers, runners, receivers.

We also need to draft a Tight End
Guess how many catches our Tight ENDS have this year. Take a guess…….
We have..........8! 8 CATCHES TOTAL ALL YEAR BY OUR TIGHT ENDS! Antonio Gates............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......................................51. Sorry about that, just wanted remind the OWNER/new gm/current gm/morons to see that you might not want to stick complete crap out at one position.

The Solution:
DRAFTING DAVID THOMAS IN THE THIRD ROUND.
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If you can’t get him, Dominique Byrd is another good one rumored to be drafted in the same area. He has very good hands and can move too. Leonard Pope would be another good option but I have seen that he is going in the first round.

A value pick late or good free agent pick up would be Bristol Olomua out of Texas Tech. He fits the mold of the NFL tight ends of today, a big guy that can block and catch the football with success. 6’5 259. Has experience lining up in the slot in Leach’s offense. Has at least one reception in every game this season. And he's averaging 11.7 yards per reception. I know it's Tech's offense, but that's good and he's probably close to that average. He would be a good pick in the 7th or picked up after the draft. Kinda like what the TITANS did last year in the 6th in picking up Bo Scaife. Scaife, the TITANS #2 tight end has 9 catches!

Final Score:
Tennessee Titan rookie 6th round draft pick back up Bo Scaife 9
Houston Texan TIGHT ENDS 8

And just a reminder of our score against one player on the Chargers:
Antonio Gate 51
Houston Texans 8

Good tight ends like Gates, Witten, Shockey, Alge Crumpler, Gonzalez; all are important key players in their offense.

We will get to see one of the Top 5 TEs in the league tonight in Tony Gonzalez.

The new Tight End coach, who should it be?
Keith Jackson
Jay Novacek
Keith Jackson
I see a trend here, Novacek, but to coach the Tight Ends this time is my suggestion.

The new coach, Jimmy Johnson, would of course be responsible for bringing in Novacek…
Or at least that is my wish so we can finally get him off the walls of Sports Clips. Why would a barbershop have a guy with a mullet as its spokesman? That’s like hiring Ray Charles as a museum curator.

Jimmy Johnson has been a winner everywhere he has been. Bring him in and let him bring in all the people he wants. If he wants to be GM, let him be GM too. He turned around the Cowboys, a team in Texas. Let him turn around the Texans, Texas’ Team. And let Houston, Texas’ own, Vince Young, lead that team.

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Reddevil63
11-20-2005, 02:21 AM
If Reggie http://www.subterrane.com/images/bush.jpg doesnt start hitting the http://www.outerquest.com/_images/golf-hole-small.jpg faster



instead of http://www.salem.edu/pe/pe_photos/dancing.jpg, NFL linebackers are going to be putting him on a http://www.merginet.com/images/stretcher.jpg

tulexan
11-20-2005, 02:31 AM
That was pretty funny. I think we should all talk through pictures now.

El Tejano
11-20-2005, 02:43 AM
Actually I agree with everything except for the coach part and that is just because I don't think it will happen with them. I have been screaming for Dave Thomas all year and I certainly hope that kid is in a Texans uniform. There is no doubt to me, that he is the best in the nation that doesn't get much pub.

As for Bush, man this Fresno St. game solidified to me that he belongs on this team. Our second best deep threat plays one game and misses three and our starting running back gets hurt by weeks 6-8 and is out for a while. Having a guy with the ability to play WR and RB allows us to make up for the difference if one of these other guys is out. The only thing I see with it is that Vernand Morency and John Wells have to get eliminated. Automatically people would assume just let Wells go but he has improved over his career, is a super special teams player, has a great attitude, does a decent back up job for us, plays with great emotion and is our biggest RB for short yardage situations. Morency still hasn't shown everything because our coaches don't put him out there enough, but he is no Bush.

Gunbuny
11-20-2005, 04:24 AM
You know I like the way you put together your argument. There is only one thing. WITH THIS POROUS O-Line, any TE we draft had better be REALLY good at blocking b/c that is all he will be able to do! Until Gates, Heap, Gonzales, and any other premier TE in the NFL get the pleasure of smudging the Lombardi Trophy on Super Bowl Sunday, I am not that interested in seeing us go all out for one of these type of guys. As for Bush, I am in agreement with a lot of the folks who post on this site, Bush has not proven he is durable enough for the punishment of a 16 game nfl season. I think he is a product of the system. I don't see the need to spend a 1st rd pick on a position that does not have the primary job of keeping David Carr's spine from being snapped in two by a 300-lb D-Lineman baring down on him like a charging rhino. I am so tired of seeing Carr drop back and after 2 seconds I am screaming at the TV for him to throw the **** thing. I now close my eyes when he gets sacked. DC has been very lucky he has not sustained a truly severe injury from all the whiplash-like hits he has taken for almost 4yrs now. How long do you think that luck will last??? If it ain't an O-Lineman, I don't wanna hear his name come out of the commissioner's mouth at all on the first day of the draft when he is announcing our picks. All you guys who keep pointing at Bush and every other flashy skill-position player in college and swearing that they are the cure to our ills are forgetting one important thing: Carr can't throw touchdown passes if defenses are all taking turns doing their best Kevin Goldberg imitation by spearing HIM!!!!!! If I am wrong, look this up: what position got the biggest jump in salary percentage-wise when free-agency became a reality??? A:OFFENSIVE LINEMEN! They enjoyed over a 300% increase in salary immediately!!! Why? Good O-Lines keep QB's off the IR list!!!! THe reason why Minnesota is doing so poorly this year has nothing to do with Randy Moss being a Raider. The reason is Birk is on IR with a bad hip. Surprise! the center IS important some might even say Vital to success!!! Who do you think calls the blocking schemes, the RB? NOT!!! The Jets might have been able to salvage their season with back-up QB's had Mawai not gotten injured. Look at all the teams that are playing poorly, and you will see that they are all missing or let leave via free agency very good Offensive linemen!! GB, Minn, US, NY Jets, NE. On the NFL Network, even the Patriots QB Brady said he is most concerned with the loss of his starting Center, followed by other starting offensive linemen. He didn't seem nearl;y as concerned with losing Rodney Harrison or the rest of his starting secondary.Have you ever noticed how the teams with the best records always seem to be sending their offensive linemen to Hawaii the week after the Superbowl???? I would rather have an All-Pro offensive lineman than an All-pro RB or WR or TE. Emmitt Smith was NOT the best RB of his era, Barry Sanders was, but who got the luxury of one of the best O-Lines of the era??? Funny how that same guy holds the record for all time rushing yards. Same with Jerry Rice. He holds all those nearly unbreakable records in part (and its a big part) to O-Lines that gave Montana, and Young time to find him and throw him the ball.:brickwall

Carr Bombed
11-20-2005, 04:47 AM
I have advocated more than anybody that Carr needs protection, but when you draft us high as were going to draft you have to take the best player available regardless of position. In Carr's rookie season he broke the sack record, would you have liked us to pass up a player of AJ's caliber. No offense to DD, but Bush is a homerun threat and would help to keep defenses honest. Think about it, besides AJ who else on our team is a true consistent homerun threat. All teams have to do is double down on AJ and bring the House. Thats not going to change with a rookie LT. With a player of Bush's caliber, they would have to account for two playmakers and we could still be able to pull a good LT out of the second round. This is supposed to be one of the most deepest rounds in recent memory with Olineman. I would hate for us to waste a 1st round pick. Oh Yeah after tonight Bush isn't a product of the system, he is the system. If anything Matt is the product of the system since he is consistently surrounded by blue chip talent. Also I think reggie fits perfect into our system. How many times does david dump off to DD, could you imagine Reggie catching those passes, plus we could still put DD in the back field and line Reggie out As WR every once in a while, he is so versitile

phan1
11-20-2005, 05:34 AM
LOL! Sorry man, but you are living in fantasy land! :pigfly:

First of all, I really don't think we'll get a high enough draft pick to get Reggie Bush. Have you looked at our schedule for the rest of the season? I bet we'll win 2 more games at least. 49ers will proabably have that pick and they're definitely going to go after Bush after having drafted Alex Smith last year (will that make 2 years in a row that they got the 1st pick?). I highly doubt we'll be able to draft him. And if we are able to, than I believe we'll take him. We can still pick a high-calibur LT in the draft is we can deal. Trading our draft picks for Buchanon is probably the stupidest thing we've ever done. :crying:

Secondly, the jury is very much out on Vince Young. He does not have an NFL calibur arm in my opinion, and this is coming from a total UT fan! I just don't believe he can throw the ball like an NFL QB should. He has the luxury of being able to play with some good WRs and TEs, and also probably the best line in college football. The combine will show that in the future. Reggie Mcneal of A&M would probably go higher than him if they were to go to the draft together.

And as for Jimmy Johnson coming to Houston to be our head coach, I wouldn't hold my breath. I would love for him to come coach here, but it's just likely NOT going to happen. There's a couple teams who would like new head coaches as well. What makes Houston so appealing that would make Jimmy Johnson come out of retirement?

Hey listen, we just gotta make due with the hand your dealt. I'm sure all the other 32 teams in the NFL would like to have Reggie Bush and Vince Young too. It's all about having good management and being able to do the most with what you've got. This ain fantasy football where you can hand-pick your own team. "Hey, I'd like the Texans to trade for Brett Favre and get TO and than draft Reggie Bush. And hey, let's get Barry Sanders and Laurence Taylor to come out of retirement for us too."

Carr Bombed
11-20-2005, 05:51 AM
im not living in fantasy land, my argument wasn't wether we should take bush over a olineman, but I believe we should take the best player available at that spot and thats not going to be a LT. Theres just to many good players in this draft. Also you shouldn't just look at the schedule and say the 49ers are going to have less wins then us. I remember plenty of people looking at the schedule in the offseason and saying we were going to be 10-6 (saw how that turned out :bomb: ) The 49ers play in a weaker division and a weaker conference, so who's to know whos going to pick in front of who

phan1
11-20-2005, 06:00 AM
im not living in fantasy land, my argument wasn't wether we should take bush over a olineman, but I believe we should take the best player available at that spot and thats not going to be a LT. Theres just to many good players in this draft. Also you shouldn't just look at the schedule and say the 49ers are going to have less wins then us. I remember plenty of people looking at the schedule in the offseason and saying we were going to be 10-6 (saw how that turned out :bomb: ) The 49ers play in a weaker division and a weaker conference, so who's to know whos going to pick in front of who

Well, we both agree that if Bush becomes available to us, we should definitely take him. He is arguably the best running back to have ever played college football. We just can't pass on that. Especially now that Pitts has shown himself to be reliable to put it mildly. But as for getting Vince Young or Jimmy Johnson, I think you're looking too far ahead man. I hope we don't even get the chance to get Young because if we do, that means we're going to suck for a couple years at least. :crying:

Carr Bombed
11-20-2005, 06:06 AM
The v. Young or J. Johnson talk must of happened while I was in boot camp I don't even know what all yall people are talking about. Where are all these J. Johnson romors are comming from. (that would be great, he always had a eye for talent.)

tulexan
11-20-2005, 11:03 AM
I think the only way that we don't pick D'Brick or who ever the best available OT in the draft is if we sign one before the draft. Regardless of whether it is through the draft or through FA, the OL MUST BE ADDRESSED. You can't keep the line we have and assume that Reggie Bush or any other position player is going to magically make the line much better because it won't happen.

Reddevil63
11-20-2005, 11:32 AM
Awww where did MY pretty pictures go???

yaboycm
11-20-2005, 02:19 PM
Hey listen, we just gotta make due with the hand your dealt. I'm sure all the other 32 teams in the NFL would like to have Reggie Bush and Vince Young too. It's all about having good management and being able to do the most with what you've got. This ain fantasy football where you can hand-pick your own team. "Hey, I'd like the Texans to trade for Brett Favre and get TO and than draft Reggie Bush. And hey, let's get Barry Sanders and Laurence Taylor to come out of retirement for us too."

The difference is my scenario is possible. Just like last year, Dolphin fans were probably saying hey, we got Ronnie Brown. Now all we need is a quarterback. Maybe Leinart? Looks like they might get Leinart.

Same with 49er fans. Smith and Bush.

You can trade up to get Young next year if you don't have #1 pick.

Draft lineman in second round this year and 5th-6th round.

yaboycm
11-20-2005, 02:20 PM
I hope we don't even get the chance to get Young because if we do, that means we're going to suck for a couple years at least. :crying:

Reality check. We will

yaboycm
11-20-2005, 02:21 PM
I think the only way that we don't pick D'Brick or who ever the best available OT in the draft is if we sign one before the draft. Regardless of whether it is through the draft or through FA, the OL MUST BE ADDRESSED. You can't keep the line we have and assume that Reggie Bush or any other position player is going to magically make the line much better because it won't happen.

Agreed. Sign a lineman and draft one in the second round. Problem addressed.

tulexan
11-20-2005, 02:22 PM
Alex Smith and Reggie Bush played together on the same High School team.

awtysst
11-20-2005, 02:31 PM
Alex Smith and Reggie Bush played together on the same High School team.

What a sick highschool team!

Napa Auto Parts
11-20-2005, 03:10 PM
I think the only way that we don't pick D'Brick or who ever the best available OT in the draft is if we sign one before the draft. Regardless of whether it is through the draft or through FA, the OL MUST BE ADDRESSED. You can't keep the line we have and assume that Reggie Bush or any other position player is going to magically make the line much better because it won't happen.



Actually a good running back does make a line better look at SD last year talk about a makeshift line now you would consider them pro bowlers not that Bush is LT but he can be some thing special and we aleady let alot of speacial players pass J.Peppers C.Portis A.Boldin i could go but i wont i dont think the new GM will let that happen Again.

F-minus67
11-21-2005, 12:34 AM
You also have to take into account that SD had one of the best offensive line coaches in the league. You also have to say that 30 other teams passed on Portis and Bolden since they were 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Huge
11-21-2005, 09:32 AM
As I went to type something that would eventually end up on "how the Texans should draft Vincent Young," Reggie Bush popped on my television doing what it seems he does every game, run for a touchdown over 50 yards. Reminding me that this is what the Texans need, among other things.
Bush's previous 4 games before blowing up on Fresno State...

Washington - 8 carries, 51 yards, 1 TD
Washington State - 17 carries, 97 yards, 0 TDs
Stanford - 12 carries, 113 yards, 1 TD
California - 17 carries, 82 yards, 0 TDs

But I can see how many would think he is arguably the best running back to have ever played college football. :ok:

beerlover
11-21-2005, 10:57 AM
Keep it going= guarantee'ing the 1st pick in the 06 NFL Draft :embarrass

Then trade down with a team who wants to draft Leinhart or Bush in exhange for their 1st pick this year and next year, but still top 10.

Select the best OT available. if its D'Brick you could move Pitts to RT, if its Winston move him to RT and leave Pitts at LT. I don't care just as long as the Texans address the offensive line.

Keep all the rest of our picks and use them on drafting the BPA prospects.

rd. 2- Davin Joseph G 6030 315 OU

rd. 3a- Orin Harris DT 6020 300 U

rd. 3b- Leon Williams ILB 6030 240 U

rd. 4- Drew Olson QB 6030 225 UCLA

rd. 5- Jeff King TE 6050 245 VT

rd. 6- Appel Jaxson FS 5100 195 Texas A&M

rd. 7- Taitusi Lutui OT 6050 370 USC

Re-sign David Carr. The Texans must do this if for no other reason than to trade him and at least get something back in return. if the Texans do terrible again or the trade down nets the other teams #1 pick then the Texans can play the Vince Young sweepstakes. But to not keep Carr at this point would be a bad buisness decison, there is a market for him & this will keep all options open :cool:

infantrycak
11-21-2005, 11:08 AM
Re-sign David Carr. The Texans must do this if for no other reason than to trade him and at least get something back in return. if the Texans do terrible again or the trade down nets the other teams #1 pick then the Texans can play the Vince Young sweepstakes. But to not keep Carr at this point would be a bad buisness decison, there is a market for him & this will keep all options open :cool:

Trading Carr is not a realistic option. The option must be exercised prior to the end of the season and the trading deadline has already past so he cannot be traded prior to exercising the option. After exercising the option, trading him would result in either $5.5 mil or $8 mil in dead money on the cap which is unacceptable.

beerlover
11-21-2005, 11:30 AM
Trading Carr is not a realistic option. The option must be exercised prior to the end of the season and the trading deadline has already past so he cannot be traded prior to exercising the option.

yes I realize that, what I meant was during the next trading period, sorry for the mis-understanding.

After exercising the option, trading him would result in either $5.5 mil or $8 mil in dead money on the cap which is unacceptable.

this I am unclear about, so your telling me if the Texans exercise the option, the way the contract is worded even if the Texans wanted to trade him (next trading period) they would be stuck with these bonus cap hits?

infantrycak
11-21-2005, 11:52 AM
this I am unclear about, so your telling me if the Texans exercise the option, the way the contract is worded even if the Texans wanted to trade him (next trading period) they would be stuck with these bonus cap hits?

In the scenario of exercising the $8 mil bonus and then trading Carr in the next trading period (2006 season) then the Texans would pro-rate $2 mil onto this year's cap immediately--so that is fine. Once a trade was made next year though, all of the un-prorated portion of the $8 mil bonus (i.e. $6 mil) would immediately accelerate onto the 2006 cap. I guess if you were getting a big pick package for him you might live with that dead money, but that doesn't look very realistic.

beerlover
11-21-2005, 12:05 PM
In the scenario of exercising the $8 mil bonus and then trading Carr in the next trading period (2006 season) then the Texans would pro-rate $2 mil onto this year's cap immediately--so that is fine. Once a trade was made next year though, all of the un-prorated portion of the $8 mil bonus (i.e. $6 mil) would immediately accelerate onto the 2006 cap. I guess if you were getting a big pick package for him you might live with that dead money, but that doesn't look very realistic.

that certainly changes things. hard to imagine this scenario:brickwall

everything will hinge on this decision, the draft, the roster the coaching :texans:

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 03:21 PM
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rd. 6- Appel Jaxson FS 5100 195 Texas A&M



NICE TO SEE YOU KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PLAYERS WHO YOU WANT TO DRAFT. WATCH THE GAMES AND FORM AN OPINION. NOT WHAT THE TALKING OR TYPING HEADS TELL YOU.

Huge
11-22-2005, 03:54 PM
NICE TO SEE YOU KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PLAYERS WHO YOU WANT TO DRAFT. WATCH THE GAMES AND FORM AN OPINION. NOT WHAT THE TALKING OR TYPING HEADS TELL YOU.
Yeah beerlover, it's much more feasible to bring in Jimmy Johnson as the new head coach, Jay Novacek (or is it Keith Jackson?) as the new TE coach (both of whom have a plethora of experience/success in coaching TEs) and give them Reggie Bush who "can make a 2 yard loss turn into a 5 yard gain in 10 minutes". Just 10 minutes!?

My head hurts from reading this thread. Somebody get me some http://www.slu.edu/pr/images/aspirin_story.jpg.

beerlover
11-22-2005, 05:02 PM
NICE TO SEE YOU KNOW THE NAMES OF THE PLAYERS WHO YOU WANT TO DRAFT. WATCH THE GAMES AND FORM AN OPINION. NOT WHAT THE TALKING OR TYPING HEADS TELL YOU.

:confused:

beerlover
11-22-2005, 05:04 PM
My head hurts from reading this thread. Somebody get me some http://www.slu.edu/pr/images/aspirin_story.jpg.

I hope its a HUGE headache:brickwall

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:22 PM
Yeah beerlover, it's much more feasible to bring in Jimmy Johnson as the new head coach, Jay Novacek (or is it Keith Jackson?) as the new TE coach (both of whom have a plethora of experience/success in coaching TEs) and give them Reggie Bush who "can make a 2 yard loss turn into a 5 yard gain in 10 minutes". Just 10 minutes!?

Not sure but I think he took ex-players and made them coaches in Dallas. I think that turned out well but I may be mistaken. You have to start somewhere. Tons of players stop playing and go straight to coaching without ever doing so.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 05:23 PM
:confused:

The name is Jaxon Appel and you will see him miss a lot of tackles on Friday. No way the Texans need this guy. Somebody say Dwayne Slay? A guy who will be around when the Texans pick and a guy the Texans SHOULD pick.

Huge
11-22-2005, 08:29 PM
Not sure but I think he took ex-players and made them coaches in Dallas. I think that turned out well but I may be mistaken. You have to start somewhere. Tons of players stop playing and go straight to coaching without ever doing so.
Yes, you'd be mistaken. Jimmy was out of Dallas before his players were. Of his former players, I believe Bill Bates was the Special Teams Coordinator for Jacksonville but is no longer. Jim Jeffcoat was the Defensive End coach in Dallas for a number of years. Recall any DE's from Dallas going to any Pro Bowls lately?

Here's a breakdown of a few TEs and their coaches...

Jason Witten - Paul Pasqualoni (never played TE)
Tony Gonzales - Jason Verduzco (never played TE)
Randy McMichael - Derek Dooley (never played TE)
Dallas Clark - Ricky Thomas (never played TE)

Although I do believe San Diego's TE coach, in his first year with the team, is a former TE. Should I go on or is it pretty apparent that the more successful TEs around the league can attribute their success to their talent than the playing history of their coaches? Or more importantly, offensive schemes that are designed to take advantage of their abilities.

Being an All-Pro player doesn't mean you know how to coach others to be All-Pro players. Think Barry Bonds could coach somebody on how to hit 73 homeruns (even with the juice)?

The name is Jaxon Appel and you will see him miss a lot of tackles on Friday. No way the Texans need this guy. Somebody say Dwayne Slay? A guy who will be around when the Texans pick and a guy the Texans SHOULD pick.
Jaxson Appel (http://www.aggieathletics.com/bios.php?SID=MFB&PID=29&YOS=2005)

Both are liabilities in coverage. Where would you put Slay, SS? Why move an impressive young player like CC Brown out of the position he's shown solid potential? Put Slay at FS? See "coverage liability" above. Exactly why should the Texans draft Slay?

Basically what I'm saying is this, if you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 09:31 PM
Yes, you'd be mistaken. Jimmy was out of Dallas before his players were. Of his former players, I believe Bill Bates was the Special Teams Coordinator for Jacksonville but is no longer. Jim Jeffcoat was the Defensive End coach in Dallas for a number of years. Recall any DE's from Dallas going to any Pro Bowls lately?

Here's a breakdown of a few TEs and their coaches...

Jason Witten - Paul Pasqualoni (never played TE)
Tony Gonzales - Jason Verduzco (never played TE)
Randy McMichael - Derek Dooley (never played TE)
Dallas Clark - Ricky Thomas (never played TE)

Although I do believe San Diego's TE coach, in his first year with the team, is a former TE. Should I go on or is it pretty apparent that the more successful TEs around the league can attribute their success to their talent than the playing history of their coaches? Or more importantly, offensive schemes that are designed to take advantage of their abilities.

Being an All-Pro player doesn't mean you know how to coach others to be All-Pro players. Think Barry Bonds could coach somebody on how to hit 73 homeruns (even with the juice)?


Jaxson Appel (http://www.aggieathletics.com/bios.php?SID=MFB&PID=29&YOS=2005)

Both are liabilities in coverage. Where would you put Slay, SS? Why move an impressive young player like CC Brown out of the position he's shown solid potential? Put Slay at FS? See "coverage liability" above. Exactly why should the Texans draft Slay?

Basically what I'm saying is this, if you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones.
I'm talking about him bringing guys in from OSU and Miami. Greg Ellis has been solid.

Slay plays FS pop. He is a Roy Williams type. Sure tackler. He would be good at blitzing. No more 15-20 yard runs. Heck, in a cover 2 scheme he might actually pop someone and knock the ball loose while they try to catch the ball. Not a liability in coverage......He's 6-3 and 215 pounds and with legitimate 4.4 speed. Has the speed and according to you with good coaching and schemes can be successful.

Huge
11-22-2005, 11:20 PM
I'm talking about him bringing guys in from OSU and Miami. Greg Ellis has been solid.
Jimmy came to Dallas in '89. There weren't any of his former players on his coaching staff at the time.

As a former 8th overall pick, I would hope Ellis would be "solid". I wish I could say the same for Ekuban (former 1st round pick), Pittman (former 2nd round pick) and Carver (former 1st round pick).

Slay plays FS pop. He is a Roy Williams type. Sure tackler. He would be good at blitzing. No more 15-20 yard runs. Heck, in a cover 2 scheme he might actually pop someone and knock the ball loose while they try to catch the ball. Not a liability in coverage......He's 6-3 and 215 pounds and with legitimate 4.4 speed. Has the speed and according to you with good coaching and schemes can be successful.
So he's a Roy Williams type but he's not a liability in coverage. Call me crazy, but that doesn't scream "Roy Williams" type (nor is Roy Williams a "sure tackler"). Unless you mean he's the best of both worlds. But now you're talking top 10 pick. But that'd mean they may have to pass on Bush (if he declares).

And you'll have to forgive me if I'm not impressed with his stats (6'3, 215, 4.4). The Colts play with two safeties that don't sniff 6'0 yet they've got a top 10 pass defense. Again...effective schemes.

As far as predicting Appel's missed tackles against Texas on Friday, put in the Tech/Texas game tape and check out how 'well' Slay did that day.

infantrycak
11-22-2005, 11:56 PM
Slay plays FS pop. He is a Roy Williams type.

By that do you mean a natural SS playing out of position at FS or a FS who hits better than most but is weak on coverage? Roy is a great SS in the right scheme, but as much as he has filled in under duress, he shouldn't be confused with a FS.

yaboycm
11-22-2005, 11:57 PM
Roy Williams type meaning a hard hitter - maybe he will be the steal of the draft. Pop in the OU game and watch or Baylor when he had 18 tackles. Second on the team against Texas in tackles.

Butch Davis was one of his boys from Miami that he brought in. Was Wanstedt, Joe Av, or Campo with him anywhere else? I am asking.

yaboycm
11-23-2005, 12:02 AM
By that do you mean a natural SS playing out of position at FS or a FS who hits better than most but is weak on coverage? Roy is a great SS in the right scheme, but as much as he has filled in under duress, he shouldn't be confused with a FS.
FS who hits better. Above Average on coverage. Damn, the guy isn't god, nor did I make him out to be. He hits harder than Coleman and is better sitting back in coverage. Not 1-1 obviously because Coleman played CB for several years.

infantrycak
11-23-2005, 12:10 AM
He hits harder than Coleman ...

So does my 9 year old daughter, but I get your point now.

Huge
11-23-2005, 08:28 AM
Roy Williams type meaning a hard hitter - maybe he will be the steal of the draft. Pop in the OU game and watch or Baylor when he had 18 tackles. Second on the team against Texas in tackles.
Appel had 11 tackles vs Baylor. 9 tackles vs Colorado (DNP against Oklahoma).

Point being, don't use single game performances to judge a player's ability. I'm not a big fan of either but I'm not delusional about Appel's tackling abilities. It's what made him 1st team All-Big12 last year (because it certainly wasn't his coverage ability).

Butch Davis was one of his boys from Miami that he brought in. Was Wanstedt, Joe Av, or Campo with him anywhere else? I am asking.
Davis, Wannstedt, Campo, etc. were on his coaching staff in Miami. They weren't his former players.

MorKnolle
11-23-2005, 10:40 AM
Jaxson Appel is going to break Vince's legs this weekend.

Huge
11-23-2005, 01:27 PM
Is Appel even going to play? I know he missed the Oklahoma game and heard he might be out the rest of the season but I haven't heard/read any updates on him.

He's been a great player for the Ags. It'd suck if he missed Senior Day (and the eventual beat down Texas is going to lay on 'em :) ).

YoungTexanFan
11-30-2005, 09:32 PM
we should all start writing in pictures. it got the point across to me, but i was already sold.

ohwhyknott
12-04-2005, 12:12 AM
im not living in fantasy land, my argument wasn't wether we should take bush over a olineman, but I believe we should take the best player available at that spot and thats not going to be a LT. Theres just to many good players in this draft. Also you shouldn't just look at the schedule and say the 49ers are going to have less wins then us. I remember plenty of people looking at the schedule in the offseason and saying we were going to be 10-6 (saw how that turned out :bomb: ) The 49ers play in a weaker division and a weaker conference, so who's to know whos going to pick in front of whoIf you all don't mind an outsiders point of view, on the subject. Coach Capers & the players, for that matter, won't lay down for anybody! Those guys come out there & try to bust you in the mouth! (I mean that, in a good way---This is the N.F.L.) Just takes time, & the investment has allready been made, in the QB position. At the begining of a building franchise, sometimes, your hands are tied, into giving him time to get it together. He's got a great arm! I see people, on here saying they should draft a QB, when there are so many other places, that are vital, to a winning football team. Coach Lewis, (in Cincinnatti) has only had two years, to refit a team, with a ton of holes. The draft is everything! We've been lucky, with some real gems out there, in the late rounds, like Madieu Williams, 4th. round Odell Thurman, 2nd. round (still a high pick, but he plays like "Captain Caveman"---& Chris Henry-WR-3rd. round------Good luck for the rest of the year!---Sorry about going on about the Who Dey's---That's my team!:homer: