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Marcus
11-19-2005, 11:45 AM
There's a Houston Chronicle article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3471218) that indicates that Chester Pitts is the long term answer at Left Tackle.

I agree with it completely. Not only has he played the position very well, and IMO, proved it last week against Freeney, but his penalties have dropped off.

And something that is very much overlooked. He's durable. The only player to start every single game for the Texans, and the only offensive lineman in the NFL who hasn't missed a snap since the 2002 season.

I think this fixation or obsession with getting an LT in next year's draft should be reconsidered.

Scribe
11-19-2005, 11:50 AM
There's an article in today's Houston Chronicle suggesting that the Texans may have found their permanent left tackle - Chester Pitts - and that this may change what they're planning to do with the top pick in the draft.

The article quotes Pitts talking about the difference in playing tackle and guard, but it didn't seem to address how he feels about the idea of being the permanent solution at LT. Thoughts?

bckey
11-19-2005, 11:50 AM
I think it will be a HUGE mistake if the Texans decide Pitts is the LT of their future. They will blow another draft thinking their problems are solved at LT and draft a guard in the 5th round or so and pass up one of the best drafts for T in years. That is if Capers/Casserly are still around. Hopefully a new regime will see differently.

Take D'Brick and be done with it. Put Pitts at RT, Wiegert at LG, McKinney at RG, and D Hog at C. Bench Herman Munster and cut Riley and Wand. Any other OL that we take later in the draft would be a bonus. We could get lucky for a change.

I'm not saying Pitts is bad at LT. He is good. I am saying we have a chance to get an elite LT and we should do it. Pitts and D'Brick could be our book ends for years.

aj.
11-19-2005, 11:59 AM
Pitts and D'Brick could be our book ends for years.
Herman Munster

I like this thinking but take a look at Herman's contract - if you dare. I'm not going any further because all this will do is lead me right into my soap box about why we need a new GM.


Okay, I'm weak and can't help it....six-years $30 million....like Walker, signed through '09 which means his $10 million signing bonus will count $1.7 million in dead money on the cap for every freaking year prior to and including '09 that he doesn't play for the Texans. Walker and Robaire have basically the same deals.

Ibar_Harry
11-19-2005, 12:08 PM
There's an article in today's Houston Chronicle suggesting that the Texans may have found their permanent left tackle - Chester Pitts - and that this may change what they're planning to do with the top pick in the draft.

The article quotes Pitts talking about the difference in playing tackle and guard, but it didn't seem to address how he feels about the idea of being the permanent solution at LT. Thoughts?

Are you kidding? He's always wanted that spot for the money. In fact I have felt he hurt Wand while playing LG. That's just one man's opinion though.

nunusguy
11-19-2005, 12:23 PM
Below is the link to the Chronicle story refered to at the top of this thread.
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"If Pitts can continue his strong play in the next seven games, the Texans' plans in the upcoming NFL draft will likely change. Instead of using one of their top picks on a left tackle, the Texans could fill another area of need."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3471218.html

Kaiser Toro
11-19-2005, 12:31 PM
I like Pitts and am glad we have signed to a long term deal. This article seems to be more about positioning in next year's draft. The more teams think we will go with Lienart or Bush the more likely trade offers will be coming our way. Our need is on Offensive line and overall depth.

uhcougar08
11-19-2005, 12:39 PM
Pitts was on 610 last week and he said something about he liked playing there. Its good that he will be the future, it means we can focus more on other positions in the draft and F/A's.

ArlingtonTexan
11-19-2005, 12:42 PM
I hope that the people who are making that decision are not currently employeed by the texans.

My biggest issue is if Pitts were the best LT on the team why was he not there for a year and half while your larger investment is getting killed.

nunusguy
11-19-2005, 12:45 PM
But if Chester continues to perform effectively at LT the rest of this year,
then that leaves us in the enviable position of truly being able to draft the BPA in the first round of Aprils draft. If the big Virginia tackle is on the Board, take him if he's the best. But maybe Bush or Hawk is rated higher and is also available to us - then we might want to go in that direction. It would also
give us more ability to trade down for multiple picks if we don't have to target one individual.

HJam72
11-19-2005, 12:49 PM
Instead of using one of their top picks on a left tackle, the Texans could fill another area of need."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3471218.html

Oh, yay. They'll take another DE to play OLB. :rolleyes:

I do think Pitts should stay at LT though. AND USE THAT PICK FOR SOMETHING ELSE ON THE O-LINE....OK, replacing P-Burnt would be alright.

ArlingtonTexan
11-19-2005, 12:51 PM
Combined the Pitts threads.

Kaiser Toro
11-19-2005, 12:51 PM
One team that might be interested in that spot is Oakland. If they don't pick up Kollins option next year, they have $11.9 million extra cap space. I think we're getting a lineman irregardless this upcoming draft.

How about Gallery, Porter and their #1 for our #1 and Wade? I can dream can't I, since I have put zero research into this. :)

nunusguy
11-19-2005, 01:00 PM
My biggest issue is if Pitts were the best LT on the team why was he not there for a year and half while your larger investment is getting killed.
That's what I'm saying, but I think Cass & Capers are starting to rationalize this snafu by saying that Chester wouldn't have been this good at LT had they not played him a year at guard. I don't think they will go so far as to say this was by design, but don't put it past them.

aj.
11-19-2005, 01:01 PM
A part of this kind of worked out in the Texans favor financially. When they extended Chester, he was playing guard. He didn't get anywhere near premium left tackle money. Then they shift him back to tackle. I like Chester. He's our best o-lineman and may have finally found his niche at tackle - R or L.

ArlingtonTexan
11-19-2005, 01:22 PM
That's what I'm saying, but I think Cass & Capers are starting to rationalize this snafu by saying that Chester wouldn't have been this good at LT had they not played him a year at guard. I don't think they will go so far as to say this was by design, but don't put it past them.

It makes good sense for the Texans to look at "what if" options, so it is not unreasonable for them to consider Pitts long-term at LT. IMO, it is 50/50 that the texans will win themselves out of the top three or four spots. If Ferguson is gone and the next guy is a noticable step down, trading doen is not as easy or automatic as some fans think.

My fear becomes justifying keeping too many pieces of the current OL.

Reddevil63
11-19-2005, 01:53 PM
Hey if he works out there then lets get some good guards. I dont care who plays where, when whatever, just get this thing fixed.

keyfro
11-19-2005, 02:00 PM
if he continues to play well at LT why move him again...keep him there trade down in the draft and pick up mario williams and additional picks...grab davin joseph to play next to him and call the left side of the line done...davin joseph is a monster of a lineman at OU...mario williams is the best DE to come into the draft since julius peppers

blockhead83
11-19-2005, 02:03 PM
I'm torn on what to do with our 1st pick if Pitts continues his level of play at LT. He's playing like a good NFL starter at LT, IMO. Why fix it if it's broken? No doubt, if Ferguson has the potential to become an Orlando Pace type, he would still improve our team greatly in the long term at the most important position on the OLine. We need to address the offensive line early and often in the draft, regardless of whether we keep Pitts at LT. I wouldn't mind seeng us pick up a dominant guard on the first day of the draft. If we decide not to draft a premier tackle in the 1st round, we could address cornerback, or even finally pick up a #2 receiver to go with AJ. If we end up with a top 3 pick and don't have anyone in particular targetted, it would be beneficial to trade down and address as many areas as possible.

sensei
11-19-2005, 02:09 PM
I haven't even bothered to watch my tapes of the last two games. My question is: How much help is Pitts getting? If we have to assign someone to help on every play then he is not the answer to our problems.

sensei

HomeBred_Texan
11-19-2005, 02:28 PM
I'm torn on what to do with our 1st pick if Pitts continues his level of play at LT. If we end up with a top 3 pick and don't have anyone in particular targetted, it would be beneficial to trade down and address as many areas as possible.
RBush is our only pick in the draft. We cannot ever afford to pass up on a back like this. He will not only make the OL look great, but David Carr also. This is our "missing link" on offense....

nunusguy
11-19-2005, 02:42 PM
This is our "missing link" on offense....
We have many "missing links" on offense.

run-david-run
11-19-2005, 02:47 PM
RBush is our only pick in the draft. We cannot ever afford to pass up on a back like this. He will not only make the OL look great, but David Carr also. This is our "missing link" on offense....
Why cant people see that Bush is a product of the system? He has a great college offense behind him, good QB and great WR's. He never faces an 8 man front and has not proven he is durable enough between the tackles (he rarelry gets more than 20 touches a game). He also has one of the best o-lines blocking for him, a bit of a contrast with the situation on the Texans!!!
I am not saying he is a terrible player, but he is not as good as his numbers indicate because he is bassically in the perfect situation with USC.

tulexan
11-19-2005, 03:02 PM
Rarely? More like once in his 3 year career at USC has he had 20 carries. His numbers are very good, but not freakish like almost all of the elite running backs of all time. He has only had one 200 yard game in his career as well. Most top running backs have several per season.

Gunbuny
11-19-2005, 03:07 PM
All of you who think that Pitts is the answer at LT are nuts. If he is the solution, why is Carr still the most sacked QB probably in the history of the NFL or at least since they started keeping track of this stat. We should trade that top pick (oh, we ARE getting the top pick!!) trade further down into the top ten 10 (I have a STRONG feeling the Cards are fantasizing over Matt Leinert cuz Warner is old and immobile and Green has zero confidence in McCown), and grab D'Brickashaw Ferguson of Virginia for our LT of the future. This guy is really good at keeping defenders away from his QB. This franchise has spent millions of dollars on David Carr and it is time to keep him alive with a line!!! I live in AZ and honestly our O-line is more porous than the Cardinals'!!!! Teams don't even bother disguising the blitz against us! I have said it so many times, the first two rounds shouldn't be used on ANYTHING but THE BEST OL's available. DD gets 100-yard rushing games with this line!! (we don't need a running back plus if we need to improve this position so bad, why did we give DD a contract extension??) NO ONE can make a fair assessment of Carr because he has Jake Plummer's (Cardinals era) disease: He spends so much time running from 300-lb linemen in the other guys' jersey, he can't possibly be expected to make a good decision or find anything BUT the dump-off guy (DD). Casserly should be fired for that reason alone. If we square away this O-Line, get the hell out of the 3-4 defense (let Babin and maybe Peek play the college positions (DE), move our ILB's back to OLB, we might actually be able to compete in our division much less the rest of the NFL.:texflag:

HJam72
11-19-2005, 04:18 PM
If he is the solution, why is Carr still the most sacked QB probably in the history of the NFL or at least since they started keeping track of this stat.

Because the ***** coaches put Wand at LT for a season and then experimented with Riley. Pitts is the only guy who's played LT for this team as anything other than a brand new rookie and he is concequently the only one who has done jack you-know-what at that position. Actually, he sucked too his first year AS A ROOKIE. What I don't want to do is draft another brand new rookie to replace Pitts at LT AGAIN. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We've got other problems. We need other O-linemen. I'm not saying that I'd be upset if they took Ferguson, necessarilly, (they could still use Pitts somewhere or wait until this Ferguson guy is really ready) but LT is solid now, and it's really the only line position that is. I don't know anything about this guy, but every year everyone is talking about this stud and that stud and most of them come into the NFL and SUCK for a couple of years. Next year we'll have all these new guys and all this faith in them until they prove us wrong and the whole time the guys who suck now will be ready, but sitting on the bench.

Pitts did fine his second year, but they just had to replace him with this new stud Seth Wand and then Victor Riley. When are we gonna stop drafting left tackles and umpteen zillion linebackers?

tulexan
11-19-2005, 04:55 PM
Sounds good to me.

Davis37
11-19-2005, 05:19 PM
RBush is our only pick in the draft. We cannot ever afford to pass up on a back like this. He will not only make the OL look great, but David Carr also. This is our "missing link" on offense....

Dude, do you have to go into every thread and write the same thing??? IMHO, Bush is overrated. As someone else stated, he never faces 8 man fronts and doesnt carry the ball more than 20-25 time a game. To be honest, I would rather have Laurence Malrony (sp?) from Minnesota. The guy faces 8 man fronts every game and still dominates.

utahmark
11-19-2005, 06:12 PM
maybe here is our answer http://houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3471218.html

mexican_texan
11-19-2005, 07:00 PM
I think it will be a HUGE mistake if the Texans decide Pitts is the LT of their future. They will blow another draft thinking their problems are solved at LT and draft a guard in the 5th round or so and pass up one of the best drafts for T in years. That is if Capers/Casserly are still around. Hopefully a new regime will see differently.

Take D'Brick and be done with it. Put Pitts at RT, Wiegert at LG, McKinney at RG, and D Hog at C. Bench Herman Munster and cut Riley and Wand. Any other OL that we take later in the draft would be a bonus. We could get lucky for a change.

I'm not saying Pitts is bad at LT. He is good. I am saying we have a chance to get an elite LT and we should do it. Pitts and D'Brick could be our book ends for years.
If the colts did that, they wouldn't be undefeated

mexican_texan
11-19-2005, 07:01 PM
LB and DB are more important issues right now, but the O-line needs depth;I reeeeaaaallly liked how they gave Carr protection when the Hog was in there. I just didn't like how Pendry kept on calling obvious running calls.

Grid
11-19-2005, 07:07 PM
Pitts at LT sounds good. the boy is talented.

This allows us to trade down and grab another first round pick..as well as a 2nd or 3rd.

This is a GREAT thing. Dont get hung up on Ferguson.. he isnt a sure thing, no player ever is. If we have Pitts doing well at LT, then trading down and grabbing more players on the first day gives us a BETTER chance of finding a difference maker.

mexican_texan
11-19-2005, 07:43 PM
from profootballtalk.com: Texans' Pitts may be long-term answer at LT(Note:by long-term, we mean two games.)

TexasJedi
11-19-2005, 08:10 PM
from profootballtalk.com: Texans' Pitts may be long-term answer at LT(Note:by long-term, we mean two games.)

Oh please, have they even seen a Texans game? And I'm not talking about highlights on ESPN NFL Primetime. The Texans have a problem with pass protection as a whole, that is more than just taking Ferguson in the 1st round to play left tackle, which is what I assume they mean to infer by writing, "we mean two games". If Pitts continues his solid play, then great. We just don't need to fence ourselves in by myopically overlooking other talent that happens to play another position besides left tackle. We need the best player period. If that's D'Brick then terrific.

blockhead83
11-19-2005, 08:18 PM
The LT is the most crucial cog of the wheel that is the offensive line as far as I'm concerned (from a pass protection standpoint), and Pitts could turn out to be an excellent LT. That aside, the rest of our offensive line is still pretty pitiful. McKinney is mediocre on a good day, Wade never lived up to his billing coming from the Dolphins, Wiegert is perennially among the walking wounded, and despite his solid performance in his limited starts we still don't know what we have in Drew Hodgdon. Our first priority should still be improving the offensive line over the offseason. That doesn't mean our 1st choice has to be used on an offensive lineman, if we can get a solid guard or tackle in the 2nd or 3rd rounds that's fine by me, but we do need to heavily concentrate on acquiring some new starters and alot more depth.

threetoedpete
11-19-2005, 08:48 PM
The LT is the most crucial cog of the wheel that is the offensive line as far as I'm concerned (from a pass protection standpoint), and Pitts could turn out to be an excellent LT. That aside, the rest of our offensive line is still pretty pitiful. McKinney is mediocre on a good day, Wade never lived up to his billing coming from the Dolphins, Wiegert is perennially among the walking wounded, and despite his solid performance in his limited starts we still don't know what we have in Drew Hodgdon. Our first priority should still be improving the offensive line over the offseason. That doesn't mean our 1st choice has to be used on an offensive lineman, if we can get a solid guard or tackle in the 2nd or 3rd rounds that's fine by me, but we do need to heavily concentrate on acquiring some new starters and alot more depth.

All of you who think that Pitts is the answer at LT are nuts. If he is the solution, why is Carr still the most sacked QB probably in the history of the NFL or at least since they started keeping track of this stat. :

Agreed.This pro- Pitts @ LT talk reminds me a lot of the hype as to why we shouldn't take Derick Johnson last year. Babs will improve, Peak will hit the feild and conjure up several sacks. DJ is not very strong at the point of attack... everything will be OK with whomever they draft. The fact that Freeny has been shut out two weeks in a row should have cluded a lot to you folks in . OK, so the proof in the pudding for you folks is that we should measure the results of our "offensive" line by the weakest part of their schedule which will prove what ? This team, currently, injuries or not, does not have the tallent to compete in the NFL. One and seven proves that. In a Draft, the strongest draft for offensive left talkles if ever you're advocating waiting to draft another Wand for what ? You guys are beyond nutz . This is gotta be CC talk. The Good Lord only knows what he will do this year. I said it last year and I'll say it again this year, one of the two lines must radically improve for this football club to go anywhere. If they pass on the offensive tallent at the top ao the draft after waiting three years to address this issue,
this will be the worst front office since the flaming thumb tacks of the early
eighties. And all you R Bush/ TE gurus deserve what lies ahead. Just wish Ms Megan would stop by and give those of us who still care, a little insight to where this bull dung came from ? Inquiring minds want to know.

touttail
11-19-2005, 09:52 PM
Remember this is the same bunch that thought Riley would be their left tackle, Johnson would be thier great DE, PBurn would be thier great CB, we could go on and on!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Marcus
11-19-2005, 10:01 PM
Remember this is the same bunch that thought Riley would be their left tackle, Johnson would be thier great DE, PBurn would be thier great CB, we could go on and on!

The difference is that THIS TIME, Pitts is demonstrating that he can do the job.

False Start
11-19-2005, 10:19 PM
Pitts has shown that he can hold his own at LT . Hes not setting the world on fire but he is doing a fairly good job . I say that if he can continue to show promise at the position why not leave him there and try to improve the O-Line at the other positions .

Hervoyel
11-19-2005, 10:26 PM
I am utterly disgusted by the idea that the Texans would simply put Chester Pitts back at LT and call it a day. Now obviously I don't want to see this group of coaches here next year but I think we're probably looking at another Casserly run draft. He's going to be the one pulling the trigger for at least another year if not more. Having said that I think the following.

If they come out of the first round of the 2006 draft without picking up the tackle they need then I'm not wasting anymore time watching this bunch run the team. I'll come back when the "brain trust" changes. Of course if they don't think they need a LT then "brain trust" is the wrong word to be using.

Grid
11-20-2005, 08:43 AM
bleh.. if i was negative about every aspect of this team and said that every player sucked.. id be right sometimes to.

A positive person who trusts their front office will also trust the acquisitions that that front office makes, and beleive that those players will make a difference.

Before things went to hell.. alot of people trusted our front office. that isnt the case any more.. the slew of bad decisions that have been made have shattered any trust that people had.

Just because you were negative enough to say everyone sucked.. that doesnt mean that you are right about Pitts. hes a talented player.

Malloy
11-20-2005, 09:10 AM
The difference is that THIS TIME, Pitts is demonstrating that he can do the job.

At no credit to the coaches it seems. Blame coaches when they make bad decisions, but give credit where credit is due when they do something right.

This message was not really in response to you Marcus, just a follow-up ;)

HJam72
11-20-2005, 09:40 AM
Corey Bradford can run fast. It's all that coaching. :)

bckey
11-20-2005, 10:44 AM
I am utterly disgusted by the idea that the Texans would simply put Chester Pitts back at LT and call it a day. Now obviously I don't want to see this group of coaches here next year but I think we're probably looking at another Casserly run draft. He's going to be the one pulling the trigger for at least another year if not more. Having said that I think the following.

If they come out of the first round of the 2006 draft without picking up the tackle they need then I'm not wasting anymore time watching this bunch run the team. I'll come back when the "brain trust" changes. Of course if they don't think they need a LT then "brain trust" is the wrong word to be using.

I agree Herv. I don't care if Chester turned out to be the next Orlando Pace we still need a tackle badly. This draft is looking like the best draft for tackles in years. The Texans have to take one. Good Tackles are hard to come by and great ones are really rare. The right choice in the 1st round next year could solve our problems at the tackle positions for at least the next 10 years.

There was some discussion on here about LT being so hard to fill after the 1st round. The percentages are high for success when drafting a LT in the top 15 or so. I don't know if any other position offense or defense is as hard to fill in the later rounds.

We can play Pitts at LT or RT next year but the fact remains we still need another Tackle. If we stick with Wade just because of his contract then we are making a big mistake. The Texans can't continue the trend of sticking with the overpaid vet because of his salary. Put the best players on the field period. I guess you could argue that our current coaching staff can't evaluate talent very well.

HardKnockTexan
11-20-2005, 12:02 PM
If Pitts fails in the next 7 games take Furguson, If he does the same kind of job he did against Freeney in the next 7 games take Reggie Bush!

Blake
11-20-2005, 12:21 PM
I think Pitts at LT would be a good thing.

We can drop down in the draft, and still get a tackle, and more picks.

LT Pitts
LG Davin Joseph in the 2nd round
C Hodgdon
RG Brown
RT Eric Winston in 1st round

TE Joppru
WR Johnson
WR Mathis
WR Gaffney

FB Wells
RB Davis
QB Carr
QB Jay Cutler with our 2nd, 2nd round pick.

nunusguy
11-20-2005, 02:37 PM
I agree Herv. I don't care if Chester turned out to be the next Orlando Pace we still need a tackle badly.
There are are capable college tackles, and then there are college tackles who have the "perceived potential" to be effective LTs in the NFL. Those in the latter group come at a very high price in the Draft (atleast top 10 or 15 overall). If we can identitfy Pitts as talented enough to be our long-term LT, then we can use that very valuable top pick for a player at another position and still get a decent RT in, say the second round or FA.