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CowboysTexansFan
11-16-2005, 05:58 PM
Here is something from the Audibles section of Pro Football Weekly (this week's issue), which contains quotes "from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on condition of anonymity."

"How much of McNair's money did Houston give Tony Boselli for never taking a snap in a game? The guy had a 3 percent chance to return and never played a down, but between him and Ryan Young, what did they take home--$9 or $10 million? To have an owner willing to spend in free agency is a tremendous advantage. There's no reason their offensive line should be as terrible as it is."

aj.
11-16-2005, 06:06 PM
Maybe I could understand the newsworthiness of that piece if it was dated in the Fall of '03.

Ryan Young was dirt cheap - $563k cap hit in '02.

CowboysTexansFan
11-16-2005, 06:08 PM
I think the point was, how much were both Boselli and Young paid while they were here? Obviously, the overwhelming majority was paid to Boselli.

nunusguy
11-16-2005, 06:11 PM
Ryan Young was dirt cheap - $563k cap hit in '02.
Really ! That's chump change compared to some of the gargantuan sums
of cap funds Cass & Capers have been squandering on some of these
other brilliant selections.

aj.
11-16-2005, 06:13 PM
Obviously, the overwhelming majority was paid to Boselli.

The author doesn't seem to know that. The inference is that Young was a financial blunder along with Bos. ["between (Boselli) and Ryan Young..."]

Young was basically a NFL minimum guy with "high potential."

Double Barrel
11-16-2005, 06:16 PM
We would not have both Payne and Walker if we hadn't agreed to take Boselli off the Jaguars' hands. I think it was a risk that the front office was willing to take.

CowboysTexansFan
11-16-2005, 06:16 PM
I don't interpret the comment the same way you do. My takeaway is that McNair is willing to spend serious money on players, but our front office doesn't know how to spend it wisely. Young had a low pay grade, but if the Texans (an expansion team) cut him after only one year, he obviously wasn't going to cut the mustard as a starter.

CowboysTexansFan
11-16-2005, 06:18 PM
Double Barrel-

There has been a recent discussion on another thread which seems to indicate that we would have gotten at least one of those other players (Walker or Payne).

Double Barrel
11-16-2005, 06:26 PM
Double Barrel-

There has been a recent discussion on another thread which seems to indicate that we would have gotten at least one of those other players (Walker or Payne).

Nope. Casserly said in a news article that it was an official deal he made with the Jaguars. I researched it and provided links in that same thread.

CowboysTexansFan
11-16-2005, 06:31 PM
I know about the deal, but I understand that the Jags were in such salary cap hell that they would've had no choice but to make at least one of those D-linemen available in the expansion draft.

If that's true (and I don't claim to know that it is), the deal isn't so compelling for taking on Boselli's huge cap number when there was a marginal chance he'd be able to play. Plus, we helped a division team.

Double Barrel
11-16-2005, 06:40 PM
I know about the deal, but I understand that the Jags were in such salary cap hell that they would've had no choice but to make at least one of those D-linemen available in the expansion draft.

If that's true (and I don't claim to know that it is), the deal isn't so compelling for taking on Boselli's huge cap number when there was a marginal chance he'd be able to play. Plus, we helped a division team.

yeah, that falls under speculation. It could definitely be the case, but we'll never know.

Read this post (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=202685&postcount=18) for the research I found. :)

eriadoc
11-16-2005, 08:49 PM
Casserly has stated on the radio that, at the time, they figured Boselli to be a 50/50 chance to return to form, despite the fact that he passed multiple physicals. Whether that's understated or overstated, I don't know. Take it FWIW.

mean mark8
11-16-2005, 09:03 PM
Assuming that the "Deal" was for Seth Payne and Gary Walker, does it really make sense to take the hit we did for Boselli to get 2 other defensive linemen? Are you telling me that they were of such a caliber that it made sense to pay an injured player a large sum of money to not play and take the other 2 guys off a cap-plagued team in our own division? Yes, Walker made the pro bowl in our 1st year, so did Aaron Glenn. Was there no other way to get at least respectable defensive linemen at a reduced cost without helping our division rival? I believe there was really substantial risk in going for Boselli and when it didn't work out, the Payne and Walker story became more of a CYA.

Kaiser Toro
11-16-2005, 09:21 PM
Assuming that the "Deal" was for Seth Payne and Gary Walker, does it really make sense to take the hit we did for Boselli to get 2 other defensive linemen? Are you telling me that they were of such a caliber that it made sense to pay an injured player a large sum of money to not play and take the other 2 guys off a cap-plagued team in our own division? Yes, Walker made the pro bowl in our 1st year, so did Aaron Glenn. Was there no other way to get at least respectable defensive linemen at a reduced cost without helping our division rival? I believe there was really substantial risk in going for Boselli and when it didn't work out, the Payne and Walker story became more of a CYA.

Easily one of the best takes I have seen on this board.

Vinny
11-16-2005, 09:25 PM
Easily one of the best takes I have seen on this board.I don't know why. We were not going to be good for years and the Jags would be out of cap hell one way or another soon anyway. We have been here 4 years now and we know how hard it is to find elite LT's. The risk was worth it for a guy who played at a Hall of Fame level. All it really cost us was some of Bob McNair's cash....I'm glad we have an owner who takes a shot on greatness instead of pinching pennies.

Kaiser Toro
11-16-2005, 09:34 PM
I don't know why. We were not going to be good for years and the Jags would be out of cap hell one way or another soon anyway. We have been here 4 years now and we know how hard it is to find elite LT's. The risk was worth it for a guy who played at a Hall of Fame level. All it really cost us was some of Bob McNair's cash....I'm glad we have an owner who takes a shot on greatness instead of pinching pennies.

Yeah, but he had a certain flow to his take, kind of like a perfect Haiku x 5.

Lucky
11-16-2005, 10:05 PM
I think the point was...
I think the point is that when you are down, you will be kicked. Often & hard.

Geez, I get so sick of the Boselli thing being rehashed, year after year. Someone please find me one link that said the Texans were making a huge blunder by selecting a player who would never play again. The guy passed the NFL's physical. Willie Roaf did not. When there are so many moves you can bash Casserly on, why drag up this one? Whatever has the Texans sitting at 1-8 in Year 4, it's not the Boselli deal.

eriadoc
11-16-2005, 10:11 PM
Assuming that the "Deal" was for Seth Payne and Gary Walker, does it really make sense to take the hit we did for Boselli to get 2 other defensive linemen? Are you telling me that they were of such a caliber that it made sense to pay an injured player a large sum of money to not play and take the other 2 guys off a cap-plagued team in our own division? Yes, Walker made the pro bowl in our 1st year, so did Aaron Glenn. Was there no other way to get at least respectable defensive linemen at a reduced cost without helping our division rival? I believe there was really substantial risk in going for Boselli and when it didn't work out, the Payne and Walker story became more of a CYA.

I'm not going to claim to understand capology in the NFL, but there was some artificially-imposed cap hit on us in Year one (and maybe two) that came up at about $10 million. During one of the Casserly interviews, it came up and he explained it. Somehow or another, Boselli's contract was partially exempt from that hit or something. As I said, I am very unclear on it, and I've slept since then, but maybe someone else here can add something to it. I just remember there being an approximate $10 mil cap penalty for being an expansion team that somehow tied into the whole Boselli deal.

There! That helped muddle things even further! :tiptoe:

eriadoc
11-16-2005, 10:12 PM
I think the point is that when you are down, you will be kicked. Often & hard.

Geez, I get so sick of the Boselli thing being rehashed, year after year. Someone please find me one link that said the Texans were making a huge blunder by selecting a player who would never play again. The guy passed the NFL's physical. Willie Roaf did not. When there are so many moves you can bash Casserly on, why drag up this one? Whatever has the Texans sitting at 1-8 in Year 4, it's not the Boselli deal.

And THAT I will have to agree with! :highfive:

CowboysTexansFan
11-17-2005, 06:43 AM
Casserly and Co. deserve all the kicking they are receiving. If the team wasn't 1-8 with no hope in sight (at least not under his leadership), quotes like this wouldn't be appearing in the NFL's trade publication. And I wouldn't be posting them.

Frills
11-17-2005, 08:25 AM
The Boselli issue is old, hammer Casserly on Hollings, Babin, or Buchanon.

Since he's been here he has what we call in poker as FPS(Fancy Play Syndrome) He keeps trying to make the big splash, hit the home run, and show how smart he is, that he ruins everything, if he's just work the drafts and trades straight up we wouldn't be in the hell we are in now

Vinny
11-17-2005, 11:25 AM
He was softer than tissue paper...Ideal measurables everywhere except for toughness or heart.

infantrycak
11-17-2005, 11:26 AM
OK...this is going to sound dumb, but what happened to Young? I missed that whole thing.

Can't remember if he was released or the Texans just didn't resign him, but he had an injury plagued 2002 and wasn't brought back. He went on to Dallas where he was also injury plagued and then was released after the 2003 season.

aj.
11-17-2005, 12:40 PM
OK...this is going to sound dumb, but what happened to Young? I missed that whole thing.

As the story goes, the Texans (according to Casserly) made Young an offer prior to the FA signing period in '03 but Young rejected it... take that fwiw... In the meantime, the Texans signed Wiegert to a substantial contract which pretty much closed the door on Young.

Young signed a three year deal with the Cowboys shortly thereafter. Parcells liked Young and pursued him in free agency since Young played for him in NY.

Young's knee never recovered from the injury sustained here, and he had career ending surgery late in '03. He was a decent guy - a good player - and I hated to see him leave.

FirstDownMaker
11-18-2005, 01:46 PM
I think the point is that when you are down, you will be kicked. Often & hard.

Geez, I get so sick of the Boselli thing being rehashed, year after year. Someone please find me one link that said the Texans were making a huge blunder by selecting a player who would never play again. The guy passed the NFL's physical. Willie Roaf did not. When there are so many moves you can bash Casserly on, why drag up this one? Whatever has the Texans sitting at 1-8 in Year 4, it's not the Boselli deal.


As for this being "rehashed" keep in mind not all of us sit here 24-7 to see what's been posted. So why not just "move on" when you see something of no interest? As for a link....try thinking for a sec why Jaacksonville was so willing to part company with Tony. It was not just about the money they owed him....the Jag's had a pretty fair idea about whether Tony be the old Tony or not!