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MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 10:49 AM
I would have to choose Peyton Manning, although LT and Shaun Alexander make strong cases too.

WWJD
11-14-2005, 10:50 AM
I gather you are talking about players so I would say Peyton Manning.

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 10:58 AM
LT! he does it all...he runs, catches, and throws for TD's :homer:

TexanAlmighty
11-14-2005, 11:09 AM
Lt!

GoPats
11-14-2005, 01:10 PM
I think you have to start with a QB. Of the three on your list, Brady is the youngest and has proven more durable than McNabb. Manning may be the better overall QB, but I took age into account.

Fiddy
11-14-2005, 01:10 PM
I think you have to start with a QB. Of the three on your list, Brady is the youngest and has proven more durable than McNabb. Manning may be the better overall QB, but I took age into account. And you're a Patriot fan...

Gimme L.T.

GoPats
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
And you're a Patriot fan...

Gimme L.T.

All I know is that the Pats won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their running back. There haven't been too many teams that have won it all without a great QB (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc, but those teams were known for their Ds). I just think it's a more important position... has nothing to do with which team I like the most. Hey, I didn't put Brady's name in the poll.

rmartin65
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
LT. No more needed.

Fiddy
11-14-2005, 05:21 PM
All I know is that the Pats won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their running back. There haven't been too many teams that have won it all without a great QB (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc, but those teams were known for their Ds). I just think it's a more important position... has nothing to do with which team I like the most. Hey, I didn't put Brady's name in the poll. Don't tell me your not bias towards Brady, he is your QB, I understand. I bet most Colts fans would take Manning. I'm not saying there is no reason to take either, they are great players, but one of your factors for taking Brady is that you see him every week. If the poll was "which WR would you build a team around" and AJ was on the list, I'd be bias towards him.

real
11-14-2005, 06:03 PM
All I know is that the Pats won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their running back. There haven't been too many teams that have won it all without a great QB (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc, but those teams were known for their Ds). I just think it's a more important position... has nothing to do with which team I like the most. Hey, I didn't put Brady's name in the poll.
trent dilfer and brad johnson weren't that hot

Double Barrel
11-14-2005, 06:28 PM
Tom Brady in a heartbeat. He might not put up the numbers and all that jazz, but he's cool under pressure and doesn't get rattled.

He's 9-0 in the postseason, and has a 61%+ completion percentage since 2001. In addition, I read recently that he's already got well over 20 come-from-behind winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime, and the guy is in his mid 20's!

Even Joe Montana, the man himself, said Brady is the next Joe Montana. And who can argue with three NFL Championships in four years?

Never underestimate the heart of a champion!

I'd pick LT, but RBs have a tendency to wear out by their 30s. A good QB can last well into his late 30's if he's protected and takes care of himself.

Huge
11-14-2005, 06:48 PM
"Other"



(Michael Vick)

jags98
11-14-2005, 07:50 PM
All I know is that the Pats won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith as their running back. There haven't been too many teams that have won it all without a great QB (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc, but those teams were known for their Ds). I just think it's a more important position... has nothing to do with which team I like the most. Hey, I didn't put Brady's name in the poll.

Running the ball allows the offense to sustain long drives and also sets up the pass. Id take LT.

Kaiser Toro
11-14-2005, 07:52 PM
I will take LT for $1000 Alex.

tulexan
11-14-2005, 08:01 PM
LT...Let Me Count the Reasons Why:

1. Great Runner
2. Great Receiver
3. Great Blocker
4. Great Passer
5. Great Guy

awtysst
11-14-2005, 08:04 PM
Other.

When building an NFL team you have to have a good Offenisve line. The most important player on the Oline is the LT. Thus I would select Walter Jones, LT from Seattle. he creates huge holes for Shaun Alexander and can do so for any runner. While a good Qb is nice to have, and a versatile runner would be great, you have to have someone to protect them and open up holes for them.

real
11-14-2005, 08:18 PM
Other.

When building an NFL team you have to have a good Offenisve line. The most important player on the Oline is the LT. Thus I would select Walter Jones, LT from Seattle. he creates huge holes for Shaun Alexander and can do so for any runner. While a good Qb is nice to have, and a versatile runner would be great, you have to have someone to protect them and open up holes for them.
youre just saying that because youre used to watching the pathetic texans line, if you were a denver fan where they always have a good line youd probably be saying quaterback or some other skill position. If you have a decent o-line with outrageous skill players, then that equals victory

Napa Auto Parts
11-14-2005, 09:08 PM
I think i would go with other either Eli Manning or Carson palmer im taking Youth in to consideration.

awtysst
11-14-2005, 10:12 PM
youre just saying that because youre used to watching the pathetic texans line, if you were a denver fan where they always have a good line youd probably be saying quaterback or some other skill position. If you have a decent o-line with outrageous skill players, then that equals victory


Denver has a pretty solid line. look at the top rushers and teams, what do they have in common? A Good O-Line. priest has constantly had a good oline in KC. Sae thing for LT in SD and Alexander in Seattle. how about peyton and Edge in Indy or the infmaous Pittsburg line? The li9st goes on and on. Face it, without a Line, an amazing back is average at best hurt a lot at worst.

tulexan
11-14-2005, 10:36 PM
I completely agree with your notion that to have any success you must have a good line. But that statement proves why LT is so good. The guy had absolutely no line for a few years and was still one of the top performing players in the league.

Napa Auto Parts
11-14-2005, 11:31 PM
Well i tend to believe that a great running back make a line great except in Denver.

GoPats
11-15-2005, 07:57 AM
Don't tell me your not bias towards Brady, he is your QB, I understand. I bet most Colts fans would take Manning. I'm not saying there is no reason to take either, they are great players, but one of your factors for taking Brady is that you see him every week. If the poll was "which WR would you build a team around" and AJ was on the list, I'd be bias towards him.

Oh sure, of course... I mean, how could you not lean toward Brady under the circumstances? The question was who to build a franchise around, presumably with the goal of winning championships, and no one on the list is more of a proven commodity in that regard than Tom Brady. That's all I'm saying... I agree with you though.

awtysst
11-15-2005, 10:32 AM
I completely agree with your notion that to have any success you must have a good line. But that statement proves why LT is so good. The guy had absolutely no line for a few years and was still one of the top performing players in the league.


Ok. However, how many great backs are in the league right now?

McGahee, Ronnie Brown, Rudi, Wiillie Parker,Bettis, Priest, LJ, Edge, Lamont Jordan, LT, Jamal Lewis(usually), Westbrook, Portis, Alexander, etc

Thats 15 great backs that I named off the top of my head. At Lt's Level, I would say priest, LJ, Alexander, Lewis of old, and maybe Portis are on his level. Thats maybe 5 in the league.


Now lets look at LTs. The best Lts in tha league are: Walter Jones, Pace, and Jon Ogden. Ogden has not been all that good this season and is getting up there in age. Pace is possibly the only other LT at the level of Walter Jones, but I am not sure if he is. Thats maybe 2 strong LTs in the league.

How many quality RBs come out each year? Usually a handful of real good backs come out each year. This year might be a bit different, but the point is if you need a solid back you can usually find him in the first few rounds each year. Priest and What about Lts? Really solid Lts do not come out each year.
Edge: 98,Alexander:99 draft, Tomilson: 00 draft. Thats just a short list but as you can see, really strong backs can come out yearly. Who have been the best LTs to have come out the last few years? Jordan Cross, Robert Gallery, Klaief Barnes. They are allright, but not at the same level of Walter Jones.

Point is, you HAVE to take a position that is very hard to find with a guy who is the best in the business, and a fairly youthful guy to boot.

Huge
11-15-2005, 11:18 AM
As good as LT has been, San Diego is 34-39 since drafting him.

Doesn't mean he's not the best player in the NFL (I believe he is). Just means he may not be the best option to build a franchise around.

Scooter
11-15-2005, 03:08 PM
i've gotta go with peyton. the pats have been a great TEAM with a great head coach and a good qb. look what happened when indy got a great head coach and now have something resembling a defense. from 2002 to date, indy is 43-14 and new england is 42-15 ... the deciding factor in which team is better is championships. defense wins championships. since manning's only 1 year older than brady and going to the HOF for personal accomplishments as opposed to team accomplishments ... he's got my vote. edge wouldnt be edge without peyton making defenses look silly and denver's proved that good rb's can be made into greats with coaching and scheme (my reasoning for not taking LT).

GoPats
11-16-2005, 09:39 AM
i've gotta go with peyton. the pats have been a great TEAM with a great head coach and a good qb. look what happened when indy got a great head coach and now have something resembling a defense. from 2002 to date, indy is 43-14 and new england is 42-15 ... the deciding factor in which team is better is championships. defense wins championships. since manning's only 1 year older than brady and going to the HOF for personal accomplishments as opposed to team accomplishments ... he's got my vote. edge wouldnt be edge without peyton making defenses look silly and denver's proved that good rb's can be made into greats with coaching and scheme (my reasoning for not taking LT).

Very true. But we already know that when the chips are down, Brady will deliver. As good as Manning is, and as pretty as the Colts are sitting right now, we still don't know what will happen to them in the playoffs. They basically disappeared these last two years at the end, and I don't think it's all just because the Patriots were THAT good. I mean, the final score of last year's playoff game was 20-3. When you look at it objectively, the Patriots scored more points on that D two Monday nights ago in a dookie-stomping than they did last January in a victory. And no matter what kind of scheme the Pats played last year, it was still very poor execution by an offense that was, at the time, being talked about as one of the greatest ever. Manning's got the HOF stats, but I still wonder if he's got what it takes to win it all. Even with a good D.

Huge
11-16-2005, 10:26 AM
I think that being a bad team had something to do with the Chargers owning the first overall draft pick when he came to the team. The Chargers have an explosive offense now and Tomlinson is the key component all the while SD has been shuffling the offensive line a couple of times since he came aboard.
San Diego was able to post a 12-4 record last year. Was that due to the consistent dominance of Tomlinson (which he does every year...even when they suck) or the improved play of their QB position (Drew Brees)? Brees has regressed a bit this year already throwing more INTs (8) than all of last year (7). Not coincidentally, the Chargers already have as many losses this year as last year. To me, that speaks volumes about which position is more important.

BTW, how is Carson Palmer not even an option for this poll?

tulexan
11-16-2005, 10:34 AM
I think the Chargers success last year was due to the emergence of Antonio Gates. But the fact that they have to respect the run so much with LT opens up the passing game.

humbleone
11-16-2005, 10:46 AM
It's part of it...bottom line is that this sport has 22 men on the field of play and its more of a synergy of combined players than any one guy.

Well said. Unlike basketball, you can't build a successful football team or program around one guy (no matter how good he is).

Huge
11-16-2005, 11:26 AM
I think the Chargers success last year was due to the emergence of Antonio Gates. But the fact that they have to respect the run so much with LT opens up the passing game.
Gates '04 averages: 64 yards per game, .867 TDs per game
Chargers' record: 12-4

Gates '05 averages: 88 yards per game, .75 TDs per game
Chargers' record: 5-4

Although I do agree with the rest of what's been said (you can't build a team around one player).

MorKnolle
11-16-2005, 11:50 AM
San Diego was able to post a 12-4 record last year. Was that due to the consistent dominance of Tomlinson (which he does every year...even when they suck) or the improved play of their QB position (Drew Brees)? Brees has regressed a bit this year already throwing more INTs (8) than all of last year (7). Not coincidentally, the Chargers already have as many losses this year as last year. To me, that speaks volumes about which position is more important.

BTW, how is Carson Palmer not even an option for this poll?

Carson Palmer has barely started for a full season yet and I don't think has done enough to prove that he should be on this poll, and Manning, Brady, and McNabb were the top three QBs to put on the poll in my mind.

J-Storm
11-17-2005, 09:19 AM
Carson Palmer has barely started for a full season yet and I don't think has done enough to prove that he should be on this poll, and Manning, Brady, and McNabb were the top three QBs to put on the poll in my mind.

Palmer has done more than Carr has done so in that regard he deserves to possibly be on that list and I would have chosen him but I digress...

I took Brady for the simple fact he has been there and done that already. While it's ok to say "Well he had this, he had that, blah blah blah" the fact is he still had to go out and march the guys downfield and he got it done...

Also it was too easy to take LT or Peyton so I decided to sure things up with a QB I know I would love to have at the Texans (with a slightly better O-Line)!

YoungTexanFan
11-17-2005, 07:56 PM
I think i would go with other either Eli Manning or Carson palmer im taking Youth in to consideration.


Something intelligent you have to say, and i agree with you! :pigfly:
Carson Palmer would be the guy I would go with before peyton and all the others. :drool:

Double Barrel
11-17-2005, 08:37 PM
Crazy that 14 chose Peyton Manning vs. 4 for Tom Brady.

There both awesome QBs, no doubt about it. But it's like a modern day Dan Marino / Joe Montana thing. One has all the stats, and other has the rings.

Texas_Thrill
11-19-2005, 11:46 AM
Brady has had SOLID O-lines to work behind so he can be COOL under pressure.

If nothing more football is very fundamental. Those fundamentals without good Lineman O or D you can't do any of those PRETTY things behind it.

Give me O-Pace out of those choices I see. Then LT.

run-david-run
11-24-2005, 02:55 PM
I think you have to start with a QB. Of the three on your list, Brady is the youngest and has proven more durable than McNabb. Manning may be the better overall QB, but I took age into account.
You also took into account that you are a Pats fan!!! I think the Texans are living proof that a qb does no good without a line! I would have to say LT because he can does it all without a great O-line, unlike Brady, Manning or McNabb..