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YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 12:16 AM
1. D’Brick- LT Virginia
2. Elvis Dumervile-DE Louisville
3. Orin Harris-DT The U
3. Dwayne Slay-FS Texas Tech
4. Justin London-ILB/UCLA
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia

swtbound07
11-14-2005, 03:50 AM
and we will do what about tight end exactly? give me d brick and domonique byrd, and i'll be a happy texan

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 08:26 AM
and we will do what about tight end exactly? give me d brick and domonique byrd, and i'll be a happy texan

There are not many TE's that are good enough quality to draft after the top two. You will end up w/a rivers kind of guy.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 08:45 AM
1. D’Brick- LT Virginia
2. Elvis Dumervile-DE Louisville
3. Orin Harris-DT The U
3. Dwayne Slay-FS Texas Tech
4. Justin London-ILB/UCLA
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia

Why would we draft another DT when we already have four of them? I would still rather see Winston than Ferguson, but we'll have to wait until the combine and workouts to see who will be better. Not sure if your fifth and sixth round picks will be around that late.

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 11:31 AM
because seth payne is underachieving and gary walker is at the end of a huge contract. in the latter rounds, depth like this is good.

beerlover
11-14-2005, 11:56 AM
The foundation of the Texans was built on too many question marks to attain competitivness early on. Both lines are old & lack talent, Casserly should have been building this critical area of need and sacrificing the early years to build solid, young & talented lines. we need to be adding picks not subtracting valuable picks. it started with Hollings followed by the Babin trades then exasperated by trading both 2nd & 3rd round draft picks in 05.

I have since awknowledged the need to draft the best defensive tackle in the draft last year (Travis Johnson) even if I thought it was Marcus Spears, the point is Casserly/Cappers finally recognized one of their true needs. if they had not made the PB trade they could have then addressed the LT position with Khalif Barnes (playing well with Jacksonville @ LT) and still taken a young CB like Domonique Foxworth (looks very good with Denver).

So taking Orin Harris would make alot of sense to me, especially if the Texans change schemes and go to a 4-3 defense. however I don't feel he grades out as a 3rd pick, he is a solid 2nd rd prospect that could rise into the bottom of the 1st.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 11:59 AM
You have us picking him in the third round though, which I doubt he will last that long anyways, and it makes even less sense to draft him if we switch to a 4-3. Seth Payne and Gary Walker have been two of the hardest workers and best performers on our defense this year. We have much bigger needs to fill than DT, we have Payne, Walker, Travis Johnson, and Robaire Smith who are all DTs (plus Ioane and Deloach), and if we switch to a 4-3 next year only two of them will play at a time, although like some other picks, that would depend on our coaching staff and system. I still think we need to address OL (1st and 3rd or 4th rounds), CB (2nd round if there is a good, athletic one available that will actually cover someone), DE/OLB (2nd-4th round, get someone who is athletic and big and can put pressure on a QB, their position will depend on whether we are running a 4-3 or 3-4), SS (Brown should be moved to FS, then pick up a SS in the 3rd round or later, maybe 2nd round if a standout is available). Maybe get a TE, but that shouldn't be real high on our list and that also depends on the system we run. Our current system calls for big, blocking TEs, and some systems don't even really use a TE, so picking one entirely depends on our offensive system and whether we need to draft and/or sign one to fit that system.

Houston_Fan4life
11-14-2005, 12:52 PM
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia

If we're doing a draft straight from our dreams, why don't we get Ferguson and Winston with our first two picks, then Reggie Bush will fall to us in the third round...

We're not trading Carr, Young won't come out and if he does we won't draft him, Johnathan Scott won't fall to the second round, Harris and Moss likely won't fall to the 3rd, and Skyler Green won't fall to the 6th.

infantrycak
11-14-2005, 01:50 PM
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

Once and for all people--the Texans are not going to trade Carr. Either they do not exercise the option bonus before the end of the season and he will be a free agent or they will exercise the option bonus and he will not be traded because if he were traded, the entire amount of the bonus would charge to one year on the cap and become dead money.

College Texan
11-14-2005, 02:39 PM
7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded

Coach C.
11-14-2005, 02:53 PM
Wow this is an interesting post. Some dreams and not alot of meat. I mean trading away more picks when we have tons of holes that makes all the sense in the world.

First we need to be active in FA and lure a guy like Andre Davis ILB cleveland or Lecharles Bentley to our squad not to mention some of the other casualties of cap that will be available use FA to fill immediate holes. Then in the draft we go after 3 stars, 2 potentials, and depth. and we need as many picks as possible.

1. Winston/ Ferguson and if by some weird chance Bush falls we take him
2. If we get Bush grab a OL Withworth, Scott, McNeil, Trueblood, College should be available in round two if not get a DE or Tweener that is a pass rush specialist
3.a. It is time to look for another OL think Interior line or a standout LB-Rocky McIntosh
3b. whichever one we dont take from above or a nice Wideout
4. TE
5. Safety and DL
6. RB if we dont get Bush if we do pass rusher LBorDE
7. who cares just a practice squad player anyway.

rmartin65
11-14-2005, 03:24 PM
I like everything but Skyler Green. Why would we pick him?

Blake
11-14-2005, 03:57 PM
I like everything but Skyler Green. Why would we pick him?

Durring LSU's champ year, he was a big factor IMO. About 500 recieving yards on 46 catches, and 5 rushes for 68 yards, or a 13.6 yard per carry average.

Sounds alot like a poor mans Reggie Bush. Now let me get everyones head straight. Im not saying he is as good as reggie, or has as good of stats. Im just saying that I feel Green could replace bush without a significant drop off in numbers on that USC team.

rmartin65
11-14-2005, 03:58 PM
Then Green will be gone well before the 6th round. i would like another pass rusher.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 04:34 PM
Why would we get Selvin Young with Davis, Wells, and Morency on the team?

College Texan
11-14-2005, 06:21 PM
Selvin reminds me of a Dominick Davis type. I think he can be a good backup and have good consistency like Wells, Morency doesn't have the strength for the position and he is like 26 or something next year. He's a better true RB than Morency. Plus he will probly fall into the second day and he is good value at a late pick. How many second day steals do we have?

College Texan
11-14-2005, 06:23 PM
I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded

rmartin65
11-14-2005, 07:05 PM
I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded
No way Carpenter lasts till the 3rd.

College Texan
11-14-2005, 07:12 PM
I think we have a good chance to get him with our first third, if not then maybe we can get a late second by trading the last third along with something else. Either way I think he can grow into a better player than Hawk and we shouldn't pass him up.

real
11-14-2005, 07:29 PM
why are we so obsessed with D'Brick...we need reggie bush...period..we don't have enough guys that can take the ball to the house from anywhere on the field... the o-line has actually gotten better and are giving up fewer sacks and allowing less pressure. we do not need to waste our first pick on o-line when reggie bush is right there and there is such a deep draft for o-line...I think reggie bush is the safer pick, this guy is going to be awesome, and D'Brick propbabaly will be good also but i think the transition to the NFL will prove to be alot easier for a RB rather than a LT. And another thing, Dominic Davis aint that hot. . he's Average nothing more, and the guy gets hurt every year..he will be a good second stringer and nothing more


1- Reggie Bush
2- Jonathan Scott or Max Gean-Giles
3- leonard pope or dominique byrd
4- michael huff
5-Will Allen-RT Texas or Taitusi Lutui-OG USC(whoever is availiable)
6-Best Pass rusher Availiable
7- BPA

College Texan
11-14-2005, 08:44 PM
Micheal Huff will not fall that far , you'll be lucky to get slay there, niether will J.Scott, he is a late or mid first, Max Gilles is a third rounder at best.

real
11-14-2005, 08:51 PM
youre probably right, but my thing is why pass up reggie push when you can get lineman that are "good enough" in the later rounds. The offensive line we have is not that Bad to pass up playmakers, which we have a serious lack of. If anything we need a new O-line Coach We set records for sacks...come on...if that isn't the coaches...our o-line is actually playing a little better since pendry got outta there.

tulexan
11-14-2005, 08:56 PM
I don't want a lineman who is good enough. I want the best lineman. And the offensive line that we have is that bad that we have to pass up playmakers. How many times has David Carr been sacked since he has been in the league? Even if the line isn't to blame for all of them, which they aren't, they still have given up way more than any good line should.

real
11-14-2005, 09:04 PM
I don't want a lineman who is good enough. I want the best lineman. And the offensive line that we have is that bad that we have to pass up playmakers. How many times has David Carr been sacked since he has been in the league? Even if the line isn't to blame for all of them, which they aren't, they still have given up way more than any good line should.
thats true but o-lineman are a dime a dozen playmakers aren't.. and thats the thing, there are many oline in the draft that can do an adequate job .you seen one o-lineman you seen em all.. theyre big and supposed to get in the way... why spend such a high pick on one that isn't just hands down the best in the draft, when you can have whats supposed to be one of the greatest playmakers we've seen in a while...

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:06 PM
I will have to wait until the combine to cast my opinion in stone.
reggie reminds me of a LT kind of talent and Brick is a prodject in the making.
It depends on how strong both are cause we already know Reggie is fast and Brick has the best feet. If reggie can run people over from time to time like LT then he is definetely the pick, he still hasn't shown that side of his game though
If brick can show in his game, not being bull rushed back and show more pancaking and mean streak in his run blocking, then this pick will be one of the hardest to make. If both are that good then I would consider to trade Carr for a top 5 pick to get both and pick up Drew Brees in FA'cy.

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Since I do see Marcus Mcniel falling into the second, along with Huff, I think we should trade P-Buch for a second to pick both up. Imagine this scenario, if we trade Carr and get Brick and Bush.

Gaff--------------------Brick--Pitts--Hodgdon--Gilles/W.Allen/Luitusi--M.Mcniel----------------------------AJ
---------------- Pope ---------------------Brees------------------------------------Armstrong




---------------------------------------------R.Bush

tulexan
11-14-2005, 09:19 PM
Although most linemen are a dime a dozen, elite linemen are truly hard to come by. They are usually underrated because their work goes unseen and the stats show up in other players. There aren't many Orlando Pace's and Jonathan Ogden's in the league. The reason why I believe that the Reggie Bush/LaDainian Tomlinson comparison isn't fair because LT is a great blocker and a big back while being explosive. He has the rare combination of speed, size, and soft hands. Reggie has 2 out of the 3.

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:20 PM
This is my D

-----------------C.C.Brown------------------------M. Huff------------





D-Rob------------------Carpenter--------Wong---------------------Faggins

--------------Peak----Robaire-----Payne-------T.Johnson---Hawk------

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:24 PM
If we were in a 4-3 next year this would be my D


-------------Huff--------------------------------C.C.Brown-----





Faggins-----------Carpenter----Wong----Hawk------------------D-Rob---


--------Peak-----Robaire/Payne-----T.Johnson/G.Walker-----Babin---------

real
11-14-2005, 09:25 PM
I agree with you tulexan, but i think of a great o-lineman as a luxury, and a a great skill player as a must have...

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 09:25 PM
This is my D

-----------------C.C.Brown------------------------M. Huff------------





D-Rob------------------Carpenter--------Wong---------------------Faggins

--------------Peak----Robaire-----Payne-------T.Johnson---Hawk------


how does your offense look? because you just spent yourself two first round picks on hawk and huff. you also have hawk lined up on the line?

tulexan
11-14-2005, 09:28 PM
True, but would Shaun Alexander have the same year if he had Victor Riley at LT rather than Walter Jones?

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 09:29 PM
my D:


-------------------------Earl-------------Slay--------------------------------------


-----Daunte---------Babin------Wong-------Greenwood--------P-buch.--------------------

-------------------Peek-----Smith----T. Johnson-----Dumervile-------------------------

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:40 PM
that's a 3-4:brickwall , but it lookes like the OLB are lined up close, more of a 5-2 which I ran in High School:rolleyes:

College Texan
11-14-2005, 09:41 PM
BTW my offense is pictured further up.

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 09:45 PM
i wasnt sure what effect you were trying to get with hawk there. 5-2 works i guess but he is more of a field roamer making plays.

hawk=top 10
huff=top 25
carpenter=top 45

nice dream though...

but you still havent covered and o-line issues.

fagins is our second worst secondary player that sees playing time. colmen is the first. fagins is one of our overall worst players and seems to get beat deep every game.

College Texan
11-14-2005, 10:01 PM
I admit to that about Faggins but P-Buch isn't any better.....I only play *** cause he only cost is a 6th and p-Buch cost us alot more and it will just keep me mad everytime I see him on the field. I think we can find a good replacemant for Coleman in FA and if we end up with Huff, either he or C.C. should be given a shot at corner. I don't see huff taken that early, if he does we can maybe still pick up Bing. If we don't get either we can get Slay with our last third.

YoungTexanFan
11-14-2005, 10:19 PM
If we were in a 4-3 next year this would be my D


-------------Huff--------------------------------C.C.Brown-----





Faggins-----------Carpenter----Wong----Hawk------------------D-Rob---


--------Peak-----Robaire/Payne-----T.Johnson/G.Walker-----Babin---------


and this is the offense you posted:


Gaff--------------------Brick--Pitts--Hodgdon--Gilles/W.Allen/Luitusi--M.Mcniel----------------------------AJ
---------------- Pope ---------------------Brees------------------------------------Armstrong




---------------------------------------------R.Bush





lets do some math real quickly:
D'brick=top 5
Bush=top 5
Hawk=top 10
Huff=top 25
Pope=top 30
Carpenter=top 45
Mcneil=top 45
Giles=top 45
Allen=third round
Luitusi=5th round

so by my calculations, we need the following for your dream to happen:

5 first round picks overall
2 top five overall picks
1 top ten overall pick
3 second round picks
1 third round pick
1 fifth round pick

:pigfly: :bag: :crazy: :party:

im not allowed more than 4 smileys, but you get my point!

tulexan
11-14-2005, 10:40 PM
I didn't realize Ricky Williams was in the draft

TexasJedi
11-14-2005, 10:58 PM
...Max Gilles is a third rounder at best.

I would love for you to correct, but as far as I've seen he is valued as late 1st round. We'd be lucky to get him in the 2nd round, but I feel a TE that block and catch is an absolute MUST, and another Georgia Dawg, Leonard Pope, may be our best bet if he is still around in the 2nd.

tulexan
11-14-2005, 11:34 PM
I would love to get Leonard Pope

Napa Auto Parts
11-15-2005, 12:34 AM
Houston trade David Carr and 6th round pick to Baltimore for their 2nd round pick........................

1. Vincent Young-QB Texas
2. Johnathan Scott-LT Texas
2. Lenard Pope-TE Georgia ( from Baltimore )
3. Orin Harris-DT Miami ( FL )
3. Sinorice Moss-WR Miami (FL)
4. Will Allen-RT Texas
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU ( trade to Baltimore )
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia


Nice try but honestly but we couldnt find anyone to Unload carr on unless it was for a meaningless 7th round draft pick wich is what his value is right about now.

College Texan
11-15-2005, 05:53 PM
Pope will not go early, he has the size but needs about two years to become something special.

real
11-15-2005, 07:02 PM
True, but would Shaun Alexander have the same year if he had Victor Riley at LT rather than Walter Jones?
Im not implying that we pick up a Scrub which Victor Riley is, I said someone who is good enough...not Victor Riley..and besides reggie bush is a gamebreaker, and the top lineman in the draft are almost reaches.

College Texan
11-15-2005, 07:49 PM
I agee picking a lineman in the top 5 will be a reach.

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 09:05 PM
I agee picking a lineman in the top 5 will be a reach.

NO! NO! NO!

I have a new draft stratagy:

Take the best at what you need the most.

real
11-15-2005, 09:08 PM
thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?

real
11-15-2005, 09:09 PM
NO! NO! NO!

I have a new draft stratagy:

Take the best at what you need the most.
thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 09:12 PM
thats not a very good drafting strategy because you have to factor in your other six, or more picks...if you have a guy like reggie bush & D'Brick there for the taking, but you have other quality lineman in latter rounds....why pass up a vastly talented running back?


because he wont be an actual RB in the NFL. He will not preform anywhere close to what he did in college, not saying he wont succede, but not to that extent.

He will also be out of the league a less than 7 years i believe.

real
11-15-2005, 09:16 PM
because he wont be an actual RB in the NFL. He will not preform anywhere close to what he did in college, not saying he wont succede, but not to that extent.

He will also be out of the league a less than 7 years i believe.
first... i dont know why everyone is saying he wont play running back, and how do you know how he will perform...and one thing i can tell you is that the transition for a running back is easier than that of an O-line. Not only that there arent many ELITE O-line in the leauge compared to other positions...Which means drafting one in the first five picks would be an extreme reach and has more of a chance of coming back and biting this franchise where the sun dont shine.........

Coach C.
11-15-2005, 09:21 PM
Hey YTF I hope you are not saying that Bush is not going to be out of the league in 7 years. I think Bush will be a playmaker in this league depending on how he is used. Say we pick him and put him as a receiver. well he will likely have a career like Steve Smith his talents are comparable. I like your Draft strategy though. I think you take the best at what you need. You do have to agree though that we need OL and Playmakers. So we really could not go wrong with Bush, Winston, or D'Brick.

real
11-15-2005, 09:25 PM
yeah you're right and i dont know how long he'd be in the leauge, but yeah...i wouldn't be terribly mad if they picked D'Brick, but i'd rather have bush...and thats the thing D'Brick is getting comp from winston...Bush has comp from no one..

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 09:41 PM
yeah you're right and i dont know how long he'd be in the leauge, but yeah...i wouldn't be terribly mad if they picked D'Brick, but i'd rather have bush...and thats the thing D'Brick is getting comp from winston...Bush has comp from no one..


bush gets no comp because no one is able to stop USC, you can stop bush...look at his last few games...but you have to worry about lienert and everyone else. No other team has that kind of talent to pick who scores with.

Coach C.
11-15-2005, 09:48 PM
Bush has comp from every other top running back. Deangelo Williams and Laurence Maroney come to mind. That is not the point Bush will be a player in this league and he can have a very good career. D'brick is nice and Winston is nice. Every player has comp that is why they have scouts.

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 10:01 PM
Bush has comp from every other top running back. Deangelo Williams and Laurence Maroney come to mind. That is not the point Bush will be a player in this league and he can have a very good career. D'brick is nice and Winston is nice. Every player has comp that is why they have scouts.

Fair enough...

tulexan
11-15-2005, 11:03 PM
Don't forget about LenDale White.

beerlover
11-16-2005, 04:57 AM
1. D’Brick- LT Virginia
2. Elvis Dumervile-DE Louisville
3. Orin Harris-DT The U
3. Dwayne Slay-FS Texas Tech
4. Justin London-ILB/UCLA
5. Taitusi Lutui-OG USC
6. Skyler Green-WR LSU
7. Kwakou Robinson DT Virginia

needed a refresher :)

Texans don't trade down (which I hope they will do) they take D'Brick, unless Bush is available. I'm hoping for a slot around #7 in exchange for that teams #1 pick in 07.

rd. 1- Eric Winston LT (RT for Texans leave Pitts at LT, for now)

rd. 2- Davin Joseph G (Pitts-LG Joseph-LG- Hodgdon-C Wade-RG Winston-RT

rd. 3a- Orin Harris DT (solid rotation even with injury history of Texans d-line)

rd. 3b- Leon Williams ILB (both 3rd rd. picks off the Miami Hurricane Defense)

rd. 4- Drew Olson QB (trade Ragone for a 3rd rd. pick in 07)

rd. 5- Jeff King TE excellent blocking TE that can catch the ball

rd. 6- BPA

rd. 7- BPA

YoungTexanFan
11-16-2005, 08:28 AM
needed a refresher :)

Texans don't trade down (which I hope they will do) they take D'Brick, unless Bush is available. I'm hoping for a slot around #7 in exchange for that teams #1 pick in 07.

rd. 1- Eric Winston LT (RT for Texans leave Pitts at LT, for now)

rd. 2- Davin Joseph G (Pitts-LG Joseph-LG- Hodgdon-C Wade-RG Winston-RT

rd. 3a- Orin Harris DT (solid rotation even with injury history of Texans d-line)

rd. 3b- Leon Williams ILB (both 3rd rd. picks off the Miami Hurricane Defense)

rd. 4- Drew Olson QB (trade Ragone for a 3rd rd. pick in 07)

rd. 5- Jeff King TE excellent blocking TE that can catch the ball

rd. 6- BPA

rd. 7- BPA


I love the U, and their D has been great this year, but if we are going LB...what bout McIntosh (sp)? I havent seen him projected higher but he seems better from what i have watched.

I like everything up till there, i dont think we should trade a qb for another qb basicly. ragone was a 3rd when we drafted him, we should be able to get more for him before we pull the trigger.

As of this version of your mock, we havent covered DE/Pass rusher or S to replace colemen.

Would also like to see players names instead of BPA, maybe one of us can find a gem down that late.
Nice work though and it is appreciated.

Coach C.
11-16-2005, 08:53 AM
In round Three it would be nice to see Threat, Slay, maybe even Laron Landry in the second and get a OG, OC in the third. Rocky McIntosh is the better linebacker and would come in and likely take Greenwood's job pretty quickly. He is faster, stronger, and more of a playmaker than greenwood already. Plus he is a linebacker from the U they get the job done.

MorKnolle
11-16-2005, 09:19 AM
needed a refresher :)

Texans don't trade down (which I hope they will do) they take D'Brick, unless Bush is available. I'm hoping for a slot around #7 in exchange for that teams #1 pick in 07.

rd. 1- Eric Winston LT (RT for Texans leave Pitts at LT, for now)

rd. 2- Davin Joseph G (Pitts-LG Joseph-LG- Hodgdon-C Wade-RG Winston-RT

rd. 3a- Orin Harris DT (solid rotation even with injury history of Texans d-line)

rd. 3b- Leon Williams ILB (both 3rd rd. picks off the Miami Hurricane Defense)

rd. 4- Drew Olson QB (trade Ragone for a 3rd rd. pick in 07)

rd. 5- Jeff King TE excellent blocking TE that can catch the ball

rd. 6- BPA

rd. 7- BPA

Not bad, although I doubt anyone would give us a third round pick for Dave Ragone, and I'm not sure Olson would fall to the 4th but he might. I still don't know why everyone wants to pick Orin Harris. He is a very good DT but that is near the bottom of the list of our current needs. I'd like to see us get a pass-rusher and a good CB somewhere in there.

Coach C.
11-16-2005, 10:08 AM
I think people are assuming that Walker, Ioane, or Deloach could very well be gone next year which could make it more of a priority. I feel that CB is a huge need for us as well as a pass-rusher or situational pass rusher whichever. Those are two things plus offensive playmakers that we need alot.

Beastlyman2003
11-16-2005, 10:40 AM
There are not many TE's that are good enough quality to draft after the top two. You will end up w/a rivers kind of guy.
i dont know about that. what about david thomas-UT, or Mercedes Lewis-UCLA, or Garrett Mills-Tulsa. There is alot of depth at TE in this years draft

tulexan
11-16-2005, 11:06 AM
There are a lot of good Tight Ends in the draft this year.

beerlover
11-16-2005, 11:43 AM
Not bad, although I doubt anyone would give us a third round pick for Dave Ragone, and I'm not sure Olson would fall to the 4th but he might. I still don't know why everyone wants to pick Orin Harris. He is a very good DT but that is near the bottom of the list of our current needs. I'd like to see us get a pass-rusher and a good CB somewhere in there.

I like Ragone, but if the Texans are not going to play him or integrate him into practice then they should trade him. He developed nicely last season in NFL Europe, is accurate, has a strong arm, has NFL size and showed he can make good decisons directing a offense to a championship game. At the very least the Texans could net the 3rd rounder they used in 2003 when they drafted Ragone.

Some of you guys were not around last year on this board but if you remember Orin Harris was in the conversation as one of the top DT's if he would come out early, then the Texans select Travis Johnson. I've been watching him this year and he is always around the ball and would be excellent in both run defense and as a pass rusher (reminds me of Tommy Harris). I'm so sick & tired of this 3-4 mentality predicating OLB has to be the driving force to pass rushing. hello its not working:ok: we need physical players that can breakdown these pockets of protection from the inside as well. if Orin slips to the top of the 3rd rd. then he has fallen under the radar and represents excellent value. Bookends Travis Johnson & Orin Harris with Robaire Smith anchoring the middle. The Texans cannot continue to expect Gary Walker & Seth Payne to remain healthy, the depth at this position continues to be a major area of need.

Who knows what the Texans off season brings? could be an entirely new coaching staff, could be a switch to the 4-3 defense, could be alot of things. But two things are clear the Texans run & pass defense needs to improve & these two players from the U would add alot of speed/youth. And Two, the offensive line nees a pair of premium lineman to show the improvement needed and re-tool for the future. then we can better judge Carr, our RB's & WR's for the 07 draft and beyond with a young capable QB waiting in the wings as the OL solidifies into a area of strength. :cool:

Bubbajwp
11-16-2005, 12:32 PM
I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


7 Round

1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded
Without a doubt my favorite so far. If I did change anything I think I would change round four and five to guard and center. If Bobby Carpenter is gone in round three then their is still Spencer Havner.

I still think we shoud switch to a 4-3. But it would be impossible to make that many changes in one year so I say keep the 3-4 for one more year but start getting players for a 4-3. This year fix the oline and get the 4-3 linebackers you want threw the draft and free agency. Next change the Dline.

Blake
11-16-2005, 12:44 PM
Do the Jets even have 2 first round picks to trade for???

And I dont really like the Young Pick. I think a sleeper like Dwayne Wright would be great if he comes out. He was a great RB last year for the Fresno St dogs, before he injured his knee.

College Texan
11-17-2005, 02:36 PM
I think Selvin reminds me of DD in a way. Picking him that late would not be too bad.

real
11-17-2005, 03:24 PM
Bush has comp from every other top running back. Deangelo Williams and Laurence Maroney come to mind. That is not the point Bush will be a player in this league and he can have a very good career. D'brick is nice and Winston is nice. Every player has comp that is why they have scouts.
When I say No comp...I mean as of right now there is no doubt who the best playmaker coming out is going to be...Ferguson and Winston and a few others are almost neck and neck...I'm just saying i'd rather have an elite guy with no one else in his class rather than a guy who might might turn out to be better than a second rounder... The thing is I think that we can get good lineman in the second and third. If we get one in the first and he turns out to be a bust then that will be harder to swallow than getting a guy like bush who does't turn out to be L.T or Barry Sanders....Just a guy who can bust open a game on special teams, in the slot, or out of the backfield...What i'm trying to say is I think reggied bush would be the smarter and safer pick

YoungTexanFan
11-17-2005, 05:41 PM
When I say No comp...I mean as of right now there is no doubt who the best playmaker coming out is going to be...Ferguson and Winston and a few others are almost neck and neck...I'm just saying i'd rather have an elite guy with no one else in his class rather than a guy who might might turn out to be better than a second rounder... The thing is I think that we can get good lineman in the second and third. If we get one in the first and he turns out to be a bust then that will be harder to swallow than getting a guy like bush who does't turn out to be L.T or Barry Sanders....Just a guy who can bust open a game on special teams, in the slot, or out of the backfield...What i'm trying to say is I think reggied bush would be the smarter and safer pick

i feel he will be the safer pick for a year or so, but will be passed up in production by other RB's and the O-linemen. I am not questioninghis playmaking ability, but i dont feel like he would be the smarter pick for us.

YoungTexanFan
11-17-2005, 05:44 PM
I might change Skylar Geen for a better person but I think my Mock is reasonable


1) 1st overall and seventh traded to Jets for both of their first and fourth next year

1A) B'Brick
1B) AJ Hawk
2) Micheal Huff
3) Leonard Pope
3) Bobby Carpenter
4) Skylar Green
5) Selvin Young
6) Traded w/next years sixth and seventh for early fifth/ 5)Taitusi Luitusi
7) traded


Do the jets have two first? i dont remember reading or hearing that they did, but i would be very interested in that if they did.

If this draft were to happen, i would piss my pants and then buy the first round.

If they do...(dont think they do) have two first round picks, what spots are they at?