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TexansJunkE
11-13-2005, 06:31 PM
What the heck is going on here. Once again we over pay Coleman for the next couple of years so he can get carried backwards. What is up with this guy. A safety must inflict pain or fear into the recievers heads, all he does is get out of position and then catch the ball carriers as they come through the hole. I've seen High School safeties do more hitting than Coleman. Please someone tell me that I am incorrect in my view!
Then there is Brown................Whatever happen to "We had a 2nd round grade on this kid" Glen Earl. It seemed to me( correct me if I am wrong) that Earl might have been the hard hitting safety that we needed. Let's see Earl played at Notre Dame and Brown played at LA- Monroe I think. How does Earl not even see the field. I think in many area's we have regressed rather than progressed. I just don't understand. :hairpull:

rmartin65
11-13-2005, 07:01 PM
Brown played at LA-Lafayette. And I think he is doing really well.

Reddevil63
11-13-2005, 07:03 PM
Whatever happen to "We had a 2nd round grade on this kid" Glen Earl. It seemed to me( correct me if I am wrong) that Earl might have been the hard hitting safety that we needed. Let's see Earl played at Notre Dame and Brown played at LA- Monroe I think. How does Earl not even see the field. I think in many area's we have regressed rather than progressed. I just don't understand. :hairpull:
They replaced him with "We had a 2nd round grade on him" CC Brown. This time instead of a knee injury it was a military thing that made him magically fall to the 6th round.

Texan Gal 312
11-13-2005, 08:24 PM
What the heck is going on here. Once again we over pay Coleman for the next couple of years so he can get carried backwards. What is up with this guy. A safety must inflict pain or fear into the recievers heads, all he does is get out of position and then catch the ball carriers as they come through the hole. I've seen High School safeties do more hitting than Coleman. Please someone tell me that I am incorrect in my view!
Then there is Brown................Whatever happen to "We had a 2nd round grade on this kid" Glen Earl. It seemed to me( correct me if I am wrong) that Earl might have been the hard hitting safety that we needed. Let's see Earl played at Notre Dame and Brown played at LA- Monroe I think. How does Earl not even see the field. I think in many area's we have regressed rather than progressed. I just don't understand. :hairpull:

With Jason Simmons hurt maybe we will see Glen Earl next week - I don't understand why we haven't seen him.

blockhead83
11-13-2005, 08:34 PM
CC has been a decent tackler for us, but he's made numerous mistakes in coverage, as a 6th round rookie out of a small time college probably should. He seems to be fairly athletic, with time he could be a solid SS for us.

Marcus Coleman on the other hand has been an absolute failure at FS. Sure, he's athletic enough to play the position, and he's a veteran in the secondary, but his play has been horrendous. He never drops the man without allowing himself to be dragged for several yards first. He also hasn't played like a veteran, he hasn't put himself in the position to be a playmaker in the secondary. He hasn't even put himself in the position to keep opposing players out of the endzone when they're obviously his only assignment. He's probably our best option at FS right now, as sad as that is, with Simmons out, but we need to remedy that position through free agency this upcoming offseason. Decent safeties seem to be a regular commodity in free agency. Anyone wish we'd held onto McRee?

ccdude730
11-13-2005, 08:53 PM
CC has been a decent tackler for us, but he's made numerous mistakes in coverage, as a 6th round rookie out of a small time college probably should. He seems to be fairly athletic, with time he could be a solid SS for us.

Anyone wish we'd held onto McRee?

on that TD pass to harrison, robinson expected a safety on top. if he knew cc brown was going to bite on the other receiver, he would have stayed with harrison. he is doing alright against the run game, its just against the pass where he needs lots of work. i would really like to see earl out there

mcree would be starting if we did not let him go.

College Texan
11-13-2005, 09:00 PM
I say we take a progressive action to actually tryibg to get some good people. We can find a good safety in Slay and Threat maybe in the fourth or late third. We can pick anybody up in FA to put some competition to the guys we have, I seen this kid on Geogia's squad and he looked pretty good, his name was Blue. Anyone know anything bout him? He could be a good SS for us.

YoungTexanFan
11-13-2005, 10:02 PM
I say we take a progressive action to actually tryibg to get some good people. We can find a good safety in Slay and Threat maybe in the fourth or late third. We can pick anybody up in FA to put some competition to the guys we have, I seen this kid on Geogia's squad and he looked pretty good, his name was Blue. Anyone know anything bout him? He could be a good SS for us.

ask Wags about georiga players, because i dont have much of a scouting report at all on him.

Coach C.
11-13-2005, 10:13 PM
Threat and Slay probably project better at FS. As far as Coleman and Brown we have one guy who really does not care anymore in Coleman and a guy out of position in Brown. If the coaches lined up Brown and Earl at FS and SS respectively then you would see better safety play other than they are both young and can be looked off with relative ease. They both need experience on the field and since I am all in favor of cutting Coleman let's get that experience right now. I would be thrilled if we got Threat in the third or late second round. Matter of fact we might want to go an all U draft this year. They have a player coming out at every position we need talent. I doubt we would but we would definately be better for it.

utahmark
11-13-2005, 10:31 PM
mcree would be starting if we did not let him go.

greatest play in texan history was his 90 yard int return against tenn.

YoungTexanFan
11-13-2005, 10:33 PM
Threat and Slay probably project better at FS. As far as Coleman and Brown we have one guy who really does not care anymore in Coleman and a guy out of position in Brown. If the coaches lined up Brown and Earl at FS and SS respectively then you would see better safety play other than they are both young and can be looked off with relative ease. They both need experience on the field and since I am all in favor of cutting Coleman let's get that experience right now. I would be thrilled if we got Threat in the third or late second round. Matter of fact we might want to go an all U draft this year. They have a player coming out at every position we need talent. I doubt we would but we would definately be better for it.

threat is very raw and does not make many "big" plays. he is solid and can usually be counted on not to make mental mistakes, but slay is a much better physical prospect. he murders wrs across the middle. i see him as a poor mans roy williams. he is also a very underrated cover corner, who also very rarely makes mental mistakes.

I pick Slay, and he should even fall past threat.

kenneth24
11-13-2005, 10:35 PM
[QUOTE=I pick Slay, and he should even fall past threat.[/QUOTE]
r u charlie casserly?!? sounds like something he might say.:sarcasm:

Coach C.
11-13-2005, 10:37 PM
Slay is a big hitter, but he tends to whiff and Threat is the faster and definately a drag-down tackler. Merriweather would be sweet, but do not know if he is coming out. I dont know after workouts though if Slay falls past Threat due to his physical measurements.

YoungTexanFan
11-13-2005, 10:38 PM
r u charlie casserly?!? sounds like something he might say.:sarcasm:

what? even with your sarcasim smiley your post makes no sense to me.

YoungTexanFan
11-13-2005, 10:41 PM
Slay is a big hitter, but he tends to whiff and Threat is the faster and definately a drag-down tackler. Merriweather would be sweet, but do not know if he is coming out. I dont know after workouts though if Slay falls past Threat due to his physical measurements.

He is actually very good in run support, something colmen has shown he is not. He is a soild, drive through tackler who likes the big hits. Physically Slay measures close to Thomas Davis from last year i do believe. He has the body of a LB, with safty speed and cover skills. His hands are above average also.

Threat is a very solid if unspectacular player. His hands are good, but he does not bring the same excitment as Slay. He is a better overall tackler, but only because he does not take any risk.

kenneth24
11-13-2005, 10:44 PM
what? even with your sarcasim smiley your post makes no sense to me.
Casserly always make some comment about how we get somebody, they had them graded higher than when they took them, as if they fell to them. Ragone, Earl, Davis, Morency.

Coach C.
11-13-2005, 10:46 PM
A guy like Slay who can play both OLB or SS usually becomes a hot commodity around draft time. I am not saying that Threat is not a good tackler I am saying he is more of a drag-down or suretackler than Slay. I personally dont need the spectacular player, I just want the guy that goes out everyday and makes plays. Threat does that. He has great hands, speed of a corner, and he is very smart. True he does not take risk and that could lead to buchanon type coverage sometimes, but if we get him young he will learn to play alot like a poor mans ed reed.

YoungTexanFan
11-13-2005, 11:01 PM
A guy like Slay who can play both OLB or SS usually becomes a hot commodity around draft time. I am not saying that Threat is not a good tackler I am saying he is more of a drag-down or suretackler than Slay. I personally dont need the spectacular player, I just want the guy that goes out everyday and makes plays. Threat does that. He has great hands, speed of a corner, and he is very smart. True he does not take risk and that could lead to buchanon type coverage sometimes, but if we get him young he will learn to play alot like a poor mans ed reed.

are you assuming we get a new, more agressive set of coaches?

El Tejano
11-14-2005, 12:43 PM
CC has been a decent tackler for us, but he's made numerous mistakes in coverage, as a 6th round rookie out of a small time college probably should. He seems to be fairly athletic, with time he could be a solid SS for us.

Marcus Coleman on the other hand has been an absolute failure at FS. Sure, he's athletic enough to play the position, and he's a veteran in the secondary, but his play has been horrendous. He never drops the man without allowing himself to be dragged for several yards first. He also hasn't played like a veteran, he hasn't put himself in the position to be a playmaker in the secondary. He hasn't even put himself in the position to keep opposing players out of the endzone when they're obviously his only assignment. He's probably our best option at FS right now, as sad as that is, with Simmons out, but we need to remedy that position through free agency this upcoming offseason. Decent safeties seem to be a regular commodity in free agency. Anyone wish we'd held onto McRee?

I couldn't agree more with this statement and yes I wish we kept Mcree.

Vinny
11-14-2005, 12:44 PM
I couldn't agree more with this statement and yes I wish we kept Mcree.I think we should have kept McCree myself, but seriously....Brown is the exact same style player, but without the experience.

SESupergenius
11-14-2005, 12:51 PM
WE need a ball hawk, someone in the Polamalu mold. But it only works well when they (defensive backs) communicate at a higher level. They both need to know what the other is going to do. It's becoming more and more apparent how important our safety positions need to be. It is becoming such a glaring need that it almost is rivaling the need for an offensive line. Our guys are just not getting to the ball and knocking the snot out of the WR's, sans Dunta.

TheOgre
11-14-2005, 12:54 PM
I think we should have kept McCree myself, but seriously....Brown is the exact same style player, but without the experience.

I agree. McCree wasn't flashy, but he didn't make many mistakes either. I really just want a smart FS that doesn't make mistakes, and a head hunter for a SS. Temperment-wise, they need to be exact opposites.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 01:03 PM
I agree. McCree wasn't flashy, but he didn't make many mistakes either. I really just want a smart FS that doesn't make mistakes, and a head hunter for a SS. Temperment-wise, they need to be exact opposites.

Coleman has definitely got to go, he doesn't even care anymore. It would be nice to have someone like Roy Williams that is basically a fast linebacker playing safety and who will tackle and hit everyone, or else someone like Ed Reed that is really fast, can tackle pretty well, but will make a bunch of interceptions. I think Brown is a decent tackler and will get better at it, although he is not as big as Roy and doesn't hit as hard, plus he gets duped sometimes on coverages, but he's still a rookie. I wouldn't mind him playing FS for us, but we need to get someone else that will come up and plug up running lanes and lay a hit on someone and put them at SS, or else get someone like Ed Reed and put them at FS and leave Brown at SS. Either way, we need someone that isn't going to run away from tackles or just jump on the ball carrier's back and go for an 8 yard ride before someone else comes and makes a tackle.

Texas
11-14-2005, 02:14 PM
I agree with that Vinny. As far Coleman goes. He's washed up and needs to go.

rmartin65
11-14-2005, 02:18 PM
I say Brown should stay at SS. Any rookie has to have time adjusting to the pro level. He can be a very good player if the coaching staff sticks with him.