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LORK 88
11-12-2005, 03:57 PM
I stumbled across an interesting statistic today and thought it had some significance.


The QB Rating of the 5 teams who've given up the fewest sacks in the NFL is 93.4

The QB Rating of the 5 teams who've given up the most sacks (except Houston) is 76.5


So I pose the question, based on the statistic above, do you think Carr should be relaced or the O Line?

LORK 88
11-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Either the carr haters arent showing themselves or i just helped people see the light!

touttail
11-12-2005, 04:59 PM
I've stated before, you got to have time to pass and when he does he is shell shocked from being hit so often!

bobby 119C:brickwall

LORK 88
11-12-2005, 05:12 PM
I've stated before, you got to have time to pass and when he does he is shell shocked from being hit so often!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Thats exactly the point I'm trying to get across because too many people seem to have given up on Carr. It just doesnt make sense to give up on hiim til he gets a REAL chance.

gtexan02
11-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Well, if Payton Manning was behind our O-line he wouldn't get sacked as much as Carr. Im by no means a Carr hater, but at the same time, field vision and awareness are very closely related to the number of sacks someone takes in my opinion.

Buffi2
11-12-2005, 07:50 PM
Well, if Payton Manning was behind our O-line he wouldn't get sacked as much as Carr. Im by no means a Carr hater, but at the same time, field vision and awareness are very closely related to the number of sacks someone takes in my opinion.
I agree that Carr's field vision isn't the greatest. I think it might be hard to see what is in front of you when you are worried about what is coming up behind you. Give the kid a chance with a good o line and see if he doesn't improve by leaps and bounds.:texflag:

ArlingtonTexan
11-12-2005, 08:22 PM
I am amazed at the numbers of excuses that you guys can come up with to have the same tired Carr debate.

RTP2110
11-12-2005, 08:36 PM
I am amazed at the numbers of excuses that you guys can come up with to have the same tired Carr debate.

I don't think the o-line troubles qualify as an excuse. I think the original poster's point was to give Carr fair terms to play with before writing the book on him.

ArlingtonTexan
11-12-2005, 08:55 PM
I don't think the o-line troubles qualify as an excuse. I think the original poster's point was to give Carr fair terms to play with before writing the book on him.

And how is that covering new ground???

LORK 88
11-12-2005, 09:31 PM
I am amazed at the numbers of excuses that you guys can come up with to have the same tired Carr debate.

Until people quit thinking that Vince Young or Reggie Bush will magically lift this team to glory, then I'm going to keep thinking of reasons to defend him.

RTP is right on the money, my original reason for posting this is to show people that the O Line is is just as important to a team as a QB is. My purpose wasn't to make excuses for Carr (trust me, I'm sick of those threads too), I just wanted to give physical evidence that the O Line is extremly significant to the offense, thats all.

Vinny
11-12-2005, 09:41 PM
That really isn't evidence...those are stats and stats are deceiving. I'd rather have a QB who can make great decisions in crunch time than give me a great passer rating throwing mostly hitch passes and ONE TD a game.

Double Barrel
11-12-2005, 09:52 PM
Games are won and lost in the trenches. Get a new o-line, get new life on offense.

Grid
11-12-2005, 11:35 PM
The QB Rating of the 5 teams who've given up the fewest sacks in the NFL is 93.4

The QB Rating of the 5 teams who've given up the most sacks (except Houston) is 76.5


Lemme get this straight.. the teams whos QB is getting sacked the least have a better overrall QB rating than the teams whos QB is getting sacked the most?

YOUR KIDDING ME! who woulda thunk it! Next your gonna tell me the sky is blue.

Malloy
11-13-2005, 06:27 AM
Poll, aka, "If-David-does-well-I'm-gonna-bust-all-the-haters-rumps-later"-poll!

No way I'm voting, I'll be registered and sh1te :)

Lucky
11-13-2005, 09:30 AM
The Colts are #1 in the NFL at protecting their QB (5 sacks allowed)
The Colts are #1 in the NFL at tackling the oppositions' QB (28 sacks)
The Colts are the NFL's only undefeated team at 8-0

There's nothing misleading about that. If you tackle the other team's QB while protecting your own, your team will win football games. It doesn't get more fundemental in football than blocking and tackling. If the Texans become proficient in these departments, they'll win more football games. If not, they won't. Regardless of who's playing behind the center.

Vinny
11-13-2005, 09:39 AM
Vick and Culpepper have been the most sacked QB's outside of Carr the last few years but they have been playoff teams as they have taken a goofy amount of sacks...but those guys make plays. You can do anything with numbers.

Lucky
11-13-2005, 09:53 AM
Are you joking? Vick is one of the great RB's in the league...who happens to take snaps. And the Falcons have one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL.

Culpepper is a 265 lb monster who has no fear of the rush. Why should he, he's bigger than many of the guys trying to tackle him. Despite that, Culpepper's sitting at home with 3 torn knee ligaments. Goes around, comes around. Exceptions that prove the rule.

You know why this is funny? Charley Casserly gave the same line about Vick & Culpepper at the start of the season.

Vinny
11-13-2005, 09:56 AM
Vick only leads the team to the Championship games and makes plays when he has to make them (what winning QB's do). Only a Texans homer would take Carr over Vick or Culpepper. You guys are amazing.

Lucky
11-13-2005, 10:01 AM
Only a Texans homer would take Carr over Vick or Culpepper. You guys are amazing.
Look, if you can make the trade for Vick or Culpepper...pull the trigger. Until then, let's hope the Texans get betting at pass blocking.

Vinny
11-13-2005, 10:06 AM
Look, if you can make the trade for Vick or Culpepper...pull the trigger. Until then, let's hope the Texans get betting at pass blocking.I can't make any deals...but I sure can discuss the guys we have. That's all I can do. If you just want to say one set of stats are the definitive reason Carr is this or Carr is that...you just may get an argument on a message board since there are some people who happen to think he is as much of the problem as our line. I think we need a couple of linemen…and a QB, but you are right…I gotta sit back and hope he gets better. That’s all I can do.

Vinny
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
A ton of hitch passes does wonders for your QB ratings.

Bull Pen 1
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Thats exactly the point I'm trying to get across because too many people seem to have given up on Carr. It just doesnt make sense to give up on hiim til he gets a REAL chance.


How many years should we give Carr?

tulexan
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
A ton of hitch passes does wonders for your QB ratings.

It's hard to do anything more than hitch passes when you have no time to throw the ball.

Honoring Earl 34
11-13-2005, 11:56 AM
:texflag: If Carr were a Colt he would not be in the same conversation as Manning . I think what Vinny and the So called Carr Haters club see ( yes I'm a member ) is the same thing that got Heath Schuler and Andre Ware .
Plummer is what 1 for 6 now .

Bull Pen 1
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Carr had a 104.7 QB rating, 73% completion rate, no INTs, and how many times was he sacked? Theres your stats.

How many of those sacks were Carr's fault. Like running out of bounds or laying down instead of throwing the ball away when he is out of the pocket.

I say bench Carr and give Dave Ragone a chance, what is the worst that can happen we lose the game, we're already 1 - 7.

mean mark8
11-13-2005, 12:46 PM
At the end of the play there was 3:08 on the clock in the 1st qtr after Carr just freaked out because there was modest pressure around him. Note, no one on defense touched him or even came close. He just ran almost immediately to the side-line where there were no receivers and threw the ball out of bounds. He is shell-shocked and costing our team opportunities. Talk all you want about the protection, but it was good on this play and he blew it. On the very drive prior, Peyton Manning was getting more pressure in his face then Carr's faced to this point and he's picking us apart.

Buffi2
11-13-2005, 12:55 PM
I say bench Carr and give Dave Ragone a chance, what is the worst that can happen we lose the game, we're already 1 - 7.
I agree wholeheartedly! Ragone certainly couldn't do any worse and there is a chance he could do better.:brickwall

Double Barrel
11-13-2005, 12:59 PM
If Ragone is our backup QB of the future, at what point in a losing season do you spare your starter the agony and give the kid some real NFL playing time?

We've got to save DC for next year, since he's obviously our guy for the next couple of years. Why not put Ragone to the test and see what he's made of in the meantime?

edo783
11-13-2005, 04:21 PM
If Ragone is our backup QB of the future, at what point in a losing season do you spare your starter the agony and give the kid some real NFL playing time?

They really can't do that YET. Eventhough every fan knows the season is toast, if they did that, the coaches would be saying it and the team would pack it in. Eventhough the odds are low, they are still trying to win games and if they put Rags in then they are only playing for next year. Might see it for the last one or two games. The press announcement would be something like "We will try and shake things up a bit to see if we can win a couple of games so we are starting Rags". They may also generate a sudden "Injury" for David and then put Rags in. IMO, I don't look for any of this until the last 2 games or so. :brickwall