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gtexan02
11-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Whats the deal with the blind loyalty shown to DRob and to no one else? Why are people saying how great this guy is playing this year? Is it because of how well he played last year? Lets face it, Drob is having a sophomore slump. Here is my proof:
1. 1 Pick this year - Granted, QBs arent throwing to him as much, but when they do, he never comes up with the turnover
2. He always covers the X receiver. Why is he never put on Chad, Harrison, Jimmy Smith? He always seems to be covering their #2 option
3. When QBs do throw at him, he plays average. He makes good tackles, but he doesnt have the same nose for the ball that he had last year. Where are all the defended passes?


The best thing that this kid has is his ability to give 150% effort and fire up the other people. His play has been whole hearted, but not as effective.

utahmark
11-12-2005, 03:47 PM
i agree. he's played good at times. and tackles well. hasnt played like an all pro.

Doom Capers
11-12-2005, 04:04 PM
Best defensive player that we have, and he is darn good. There is no slump, QB's rarely throw at him, so he can't pick it off. I would rather have him and most corners in the league.

TEXANRED
11-12-2005, 04:09 PM
Oh no! Now its a "I hate Drob" post.

But seriously, if you were the other QB do you throw in the direction of Pbuc, Faggins, or Sanders, where you know you will complete the ball and wont get your reciever killed, or do you throw in Drob's direction where you know you run the risk of 1.) Getting the ball picked off or 2.) Getting your WR killed after he catches the ball?

Texans Horror
11-12-2005, 04:23 PM
Nobody throws to his side, and if they do, they do so rarely. I'm sure any coach who breaks down film sees that he always plays the same side, no matter what. So they send their number 1 to line up with the matador. If Pburnt was a better player, we could see more about DRob's progress.

RTP2110
11-12-2005, 04:33 PM
Well I know he sure had his hands full with that WR from Cincy. TJ Houshmanwhatshisname.

Bobo
11-12-2005, 04:58 PM
Whats the deal with the blind loyalty shown to DRob and to no one else? Why are people saying how great this guy is playing this year? Is it because of how well he played last year? Lets face it, Drob is having a sophomore slump. Here is my proof:
1. 1 Pick this year - Granted, QBs arent throwing to him as much, but when they do, he never comes up with the turnover
2. He always covers the X receiver. Why is he never put on Chad, Harrison, Jimmy Smith? He always seems to be covering their #2 option
3. When QBs do throw at him, he plays average. He makes good tackles, but he doesnt have the same nose for the ball that he had last year. Where are all the defended passes?


The best thing that this kid has is his ability to give 150% effort and fire up the other people. His play has been whole hearted, but not as effective.

Robinson is a member of a very, very poor defensive team. And since this is a team game, he has been part of the problem this year -- not the solution.

gtexan02
11-12-2005, 06:28 PM
List of the Texans games:

1. Buffalo Bills
Lee Evans - 3 receptions, 68 yards
Eric Moulds - 4 receptions, 50 something yards
2. Pittsburg Steelers
Randle El - 3 receptions, 75 yards
Hines Ward - 6 receptions, 84 yards, 2 tds
3. Cincinatti
Houshmandzadeh - 8 receptions 105 yards
4. Tennessee
Drew Bennett - 5 receptions, 99 yards, 1 td (not sure if DRob was covering him)
5. Seattle
Don't know who he was covering here
6. Indianopolis
Wayne - 9 receptions, 89 yards
7. Cleveland
Don't know who he was covering, maybe A. Bryant? - 4 receptions 98 yards
8. Jacksonville
Ernest Wilford -4 receptions, 89 yards, 1 td

The only people I know Drob covered was Evans, Houshman, Wayne, and I think Wilford. None of these guys, excpet Wayne, should put up more than about 30-50 yards, and he let them all suprass that. Anyway, it just seems like he has faced some average opposition and given up close to 60-100 yards a game

utahmark
11-12-2005, 06:45 PM
drob is a good corner but he has not shut the oposition down. and qb's are throwing his way this year. you guys need to play closer attention before you just say they are not throwing his way. cause they are.

he had a very bad game against cinn. their number 2 reciever had his way with him.

he gave up a bomb against pitt. he gave up some catches in the seatle game.

actually i see people catching the ball in front of him most games. he hasnt gave up many long catches. but he is being picked on a little this year. if you dont see it my guess is you havent looked close enough.

the question is why and i believe most of it has to do with our lack of pressure. you cant cover the whole field for an extended amount of time unless you are a true shut down corner(and i dont know if there are really any of those). d. sanders in his prime maybe. so d-rob is probably just protecting from the deep ball. he will get better as our guys get more pressure on the qb.

run-david-run
11-12-2005, 06:56 PM
D-Robs stats last year were a little mis-leading to me. He was a rookie, so therefore he got picked on a lot last year. Don't get me wrong, those 6 INTs were stellar. Last year, he had as many good plays as he had bad plays. His stats were going to be a little inflated last year in comparison to this year. D-Rob has tons of heart, and a vamped up motor, but he isn't the type of DB that QBs are going to fear. He is a very balanced DB, can play the run and the pass very well.
The only way QB's dont fear Drob is by not throwing the ball at him!!! The fact that there are games when the Qb's dont throw a pass toward him is proof of just how much they do fear him. Aganist the Titans, McNair threw at him about 3 times, each time he kocked it down and almost picked a couple off. Just because he dosnt have many INT's dosnt mean he is not a good db.
PS- Chris McAllister had 1 pick last year and he made the Pro Bowl!!!

run-david-run
11-12-2005, 06:59 PM
Robinson is a member of a very, very poor defensive team. And since this is a team game, he has been part of the problem this year -- not the solution.
That is incredably dumb. Does that mean AJ is part of the problem on offense? By your logic it does, so lets get rid of him!:brickwall
James Mungro was a part of the Indy offense last year, does that mean he is the best fullback in the NFL? According to your logic, than he is one of the top 3, because indy was a top 3 offense

run-david-run
11-12-2005, 07:00 PM
List of the Texans games:

1. Buffalo Bills
Lee Evans - 3 receptions, 68 yards
Eric Moulds - 4 receptions, 50 something yards
2. Pittsburg Steelers
Randle El - 3 receptions, 75 yards
Hines Ward - 6 receptions, 84 yards, 2 tds
3. Cincinatti
Houshmandzadeh - 8 receptions 105 yards
4. Tennessee
Drew Bennett - 5 receptions, 99 yards, 1 td (not sure if DRob was covering him)
5. Seattle
Don't know who he was covering here
6. Indianopolis
Wayne - 9 receptions, 89 yards
7. Cleveland
Don't know who he was covering, maybe A. Bryant? - 4 receptions 98 yards
8. Jacksonville
Ernest Wilford -4 receptions, 89 yards, 1 td

The only people I know Drob covered was Evans, Houshman, Wayne, and I think Wilford. None of these guys, excpet Wayne, should put up more than about 30-50 yards, and he let them all suprass that. Anyway, it just seems like he has faced some average opposition and given up close to 60-100 yards a game
When you are playing zone it dosnt matter who youy line up against, because if they run to the inside linebackers are covering them, not corners.

RTP2110
11-12-2005, 07:55 PM
When you are playing zone it dosnt matter who youy line up against, because if they run to the inside linebackers are covering them, not corners.

Good point. I was just about to mention that as much zone as the Texans play on defense, it takes away from thier 1 on 1 coverages.

HomeBred_Texan
11-12-2005, 08:29 PM
Well if there is no pass rush and the QB can stand back there and have time to smoke a cigarette before he has to throw the ball, anyone is going to get burned sooner or later. It's not that hard to figure out... Just how long is a CB suppose to keep 1 man covered?

TexanDave
11-12-2005, 11:47 PM
That is incredably dumb. Does that mean AJ is part of the problem on offense? By your logic it does, so lets get rid of him!:brickwall
James Mungro was a part of the Indy offense last year, does that mean he is the best fullback in the NFL? According to your logic, than he is one of the top 3, because indy was a top 3 offense


Amen.

Double Barrel
11-13-2005, 12:19 AM
When you are playing zone it dosnt matter who youy line up against, because if they run to the inside linebackers are covering them, not corners.

Well if there is no pass rush and the QB can stand back there and have time to smoke a cigarette before he has to throw the ball, anyone is going to get burned sooner or later. It's not that hard to figure out... Just how long is a CB suppose to keep 1 man covered?

I agree with both of these statements.

D. Rob is easily one of the top three defensive talents on the team. It is a testament to the soft style of our current defensive scheme that this thread even exists with this question. If we had the talent in the rest of our coverage - namely our other CB and safety - that allowed a more aggressive type of coverage, his numbers would probably be much better.

Malloy
11-13-2005, 07:16 AM
Well I know he sure had his hands full with that WR from Cincy. TJ Houshmanwhatshisname.

Funny :)

Malloy
11-13-2005, 07:19 AM
It is a testament to the soft style of our current defensive scheme that this thread even exists with this question. If we had the talent in the rest of our coverage - namely our other CB and safety - that allowed a more aggressive type of coverage, his numbers would probably be much better.

I think the same could be said of P-buc, I believe he would do MUCH beter in man coverage instead of zone. Zone looks like it's confusing the hell out of him :I

kenneth24
11-13-2005, 05:38 PM
More man would be great, especially on third and long plays!! Then we could blitz some guys, instead of rushing 2 or 3 guys and put pressure on the QB and force him to throw early and stop them before they get the 1st down. Right now we sit back and let the opposing qb pick us apart!

big sarge
11-13-2005, 09:37 PM
Does anyone have a clip of Drob putting a hit on whoever it was today. They don't show the Texans verymuch in TN, or KY so I don't get to see much. I don't even think about highlights on espn because they don't play the Texan highlights if any on sc.

texan0305
11-14-2005, 12:53 AM
to a comment earlier in this post, the reason why drob plays their second receiver is because the coaches want him on the strong side of the formation in the slot primarily so they can stop the run, if theyre linebackers where any good and could stop a running then they would consider moving drob to the outside to one of the strong receivers like a harrison or a johnson....

utahmark
11-14-2005, 10:06 AM
daunta had 9 solo tackles this week. thats crazy.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 10:55 AM
to a comment earlier in this post, the reason why drob plays their second receiver is because the coaches want him on the strong side of the formation in the slot primarily so they can stop the run, if theyre linebackers where any good and could stop a running then they would consider moving drob to the outside to one of the strong receivers like a harrison or a johnson....

This is why DRob frequently lines up against their second WRs. Our coaches have our CBs play a particular side rather than matching up against a particular man, and opposing teams are obviously going to stick their best receivers on the side the Buchanon/Faggins are on. As a few people have also posted, when we run zones all day we will get passed on. DRob isn't great in zone coverage, although no one really is when you're zoning people like Peyton Manning. I don't agree that Buchanon is better in man coverage though. He backs way too far off his man all the time, and in college and with the Raiders he played predominantly zone defense so that's what he's used to playing.

Davis37
11-14-2005, 04:23 PM
Did anyone see the hit that Asante Samuels (sp?) from the Pats put on Ricky Williams yesterday??? Id hate to say it, but it was a nastier hit than the Drob hit. Both hits where very nice but Samuels went head up with Ricky and just laid him out.

Blake
11-14-2005, 04:45 PM
Did anyone see the hit that Asante Samuels (sp?) from the Pats put on Ricky Williams yesterday??? Id hate to say it, but it was a nastier hit than the Drob hit. Both hits where very nice but Samuels went head up with Ricky and just laid him out.

Im going to have to take another look at it. My gut says Ricky tried to spin out of it, and 1/2 slipped, 1/2 got hit by a football player.

I just dont think Asante could go head up with Ricky if he was really going at him.

Its not like Dunta's hit. Dunta got him before his head could come around and find him. So im not saying Dunta went head up with Wayne.

My money is on Ricky trying to make a move, not run Samuels over.

JMHO

gtexan02
11-14-2005, 04:51 PM
Having 9 tackles is good, but it also might note that he gave up a lot of catches and ended up with a lot of tackles. I noticed the zone problem. A lot of times Drob will be deeper, and an OLB or nickel back plays inside. The ball is thrown in between, and DRob gets the tackle. Not working well.

Blake
11-14-2005, 04:51 PM
Found this on google Though you might get a kick out of it.

Prospect Profiles

Dunta Robinson

Negatives: Willing tackler in run support, but needs to slip past blocks, as he lacks the size to face up to the larger linemen in pursuit near the line Shows explosion in his backpedal, but shuffles his feet (compensates with good hip sink and balance) Late to locate the ball, at times, but when he does, he shows no hesitation closing Reliable tackler, but needs to deliver more power behind his hits (more wrap-up than smash-mouth type).

Texans Horror
11-14-2005, 04:57 PM
I like to compare Pburnt and Drob. I remember early in the first quarter Pburnt letting his receiver run through him. Of course, we've all been talking about what Drob did. That's what I like about Drob. He is one of the few bright spots on this team.

MorKnolle
11-14-2005, 04:59 PM
Found this on google Though you might get a kick out of it.

Prospect Profiles

Dunta Robinson

Negatives: Willing tackler in run support, but needs to slip past blocks, as he lacks the size to face up to the larger linemen in pursuit near the line … Shows explosion in his backpedal, but shuffles his feet (compensates with good hip sink and balance) … Late to locate the ball, at times, but when he does, he shows no hesitation closing … Reliable tackler, but needs to deliver more power behind his hits (more wrap-up than smash-mouth type).

Does any CB int he league have the size to match up with linemen? Aside from the tackling comment this seemed ridiculous too. Where did you find this scouting report?

Vinny
11-14-2005, 05:28 PM
… Reliable tackler, but needs to deliver more power behind his hits (more wrap-up than smash-mouth type).Just another reason why you can't totally rely on internet 'scouting'. I find it hard to come to conclusions on many of the prospects because of the quality of the man in front of them varies to a great degree from school to school....you must see a prospect multiple times and in front of at least a couple of guys who grade out reasonably high to form good opinions imo.

the wonger need food
11-14-2005, 06:08 PM
Robinson got taken to school yesterday by Manning and Harrison. Was it the scheme or has Robinson been exposed? We won't know until a new coaching staff is in place.

Davis37
11-14-2005, 06:21 PM
Im going to have to take another look at it. My gut says Ricky tried to spin out of it, and 1/2 slipped, 1/2 got hit by a football player.

I just dont think Asante could go head up with Ricky if he was really going at him.

Its not like Dunta's hit. Dunta got him before his head could come around and find him. So im not saying Dunta went head up with Wayne.

My money is on Ricky trying to make a move, not run Samuels over.

JMHO

If you watch the Ricky hit, you will see that Ricky lowers his shoulders but Samuels simply goes lower and takes him out.

real
11-14-2005, 06:45 PM
D-Rob is the best DB we have by far and he was lined up on marvin harrison at times in the past game. If you think D-Rob sucks then you are sick. He can ball and tackles better than some of the linebackers on the team.