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Meloy
11-11-2005, 03:23 PM
Assuming we end up with one of top 3 picks, does it make since to trade Carr and go for Matt Leinert? Salaries would be about same & we could use the $8 million. Trade Walker who was identified as a probable starter for most teams? We should be able to get low first or high second for each. Leinert should be no worse than Carr, even if he sits behind Banks one year. We could package picks to go after a left ot. I do not see a big jump in wins in 2006 no matter what is done.

Frills
11-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Carr's bonus is at the end of the season, not start of next...so since the trade deadline is passed, there is no trading him.

Either pay the 8 mil, or back to square 1 training a new QB how to run an NFL offense.

SESupergenius
11-11-2005, 03:28 PM
It would make sore sense to trade down and get a good LT in this draft and then pick up other quality players with those picks.

Fiddy
11-11-2005, 03:29 PM
Trade Walker who was identified as a probable starter for most teams? How would trading your best DE help the team???

infantrycak
11-11-2005, 03:30 PM
How would trading your best DE help the team???

Well, it would suck up about $7.5 mil in that pesky cap space as dead money.

Double Barrel
11-11-2005, 03:45 PM
I don't want a rookie QB next year. We've got enough problems to worry about, IMO.

We've got an offensive nucleus - Carr / Davis / Johnson. Put a consistent line in front of them, a decent TE, and solid #2/#3 WR and we'll see more success.

Of course, our D is another story altogether.

Hardcore Texan
11-11-2005, 03:56 PM
I don't want a rookie QB next year. We've got enough problems to worry about, IMO.

We've got an offensive nucleus - Carr / Davis / Johnson. Put a consistent line in front of them, a decent TE, and solid #2/#3 WR and we'll see more success.

Of course, our D is another story altogether.

I agree we do have enough problems, sitting Leinart behind Banks for a year would be no better. I still think we have a chance with the "nucleus" with a much improved O-Line and surrounding cast. I think Armstrong and Mathis should see more playing time as well, and get rid of Bradford. Isn't he on a one year deal this year?
If we did get one of the first couple of overall picks, trading down for a couple picks lower in the first round sounds like a good idea to me.

:texflag:

mean mark8
11-11-2005, 04:05 PM
IMO, if we do have one of the top picks next year and Casserly is in charge of it, we'll make a bonehead move that won't help the team. I don't know what it will be. I imagine something like trading it for a lower 1st and 2 seconds, where we'll give the 2 2nds to Philadelphia for TO and reach on the late 1st rounder as a project player that won't produce for at least 4 years. Probably another smallish DE that we want to convert to OLB. We can never have enough of those.:sarcasm:

rmartin65
11-11-2005, 04:23 PM
Why pick a qb with NO mobility instead of an o-lineman?

Vinny
11-11-2005, 07:10 PM
Well, it would suck up about $7.5 mil in that pesky cap space as dead money.Getting rid of Walker would be just another dumb move by the Texans. We don't have enough good defenders as it is.

Vinny
11-11-2005, 07:11 PM
Why pick a qb with NO mobility instead of an o-lineman?Mobility has nothing to do with giving up sacks if that is what you are referring to. The most sacked guys in the league each year are the mobile guys (Culpepper, Vick, Carr etc.)

HomeBred_Texan
11-11-2005, 07:14 PM
Why would we want to get rid of Carr? Draft Reggie Bush and let him in the backfield and get some line men in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Job complete...

Bobo
11-11-2005, 07:34 PM
Assuming we end up with one of top 3 picks, does it make since to trade Carr and go for Matt Leinert?

Uhh, noooo! John McClain said if Carr was let go, a long line of folks would line up to grab him. Not signing Carr would probably be the biggest mistake the Texans could ever make.

Bobo
11-11-2005, 07:35 PM
Why would we want to get rid of Carr? Draft Reggie Bush and let him in the backfield and get some line men in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Job complete...

Why would you want Bush when you have Dominick? Drafting Bush would be crazy when you can trade down and stack your offensive line.

Bobo
11-11-2005, 07:36 PM
IMO, if we do have one of the top picks next year and Casserly is in charge of it, we'll make a bonehead move that won't help the team.

You mean like when he drafted Dom Davis in the fourth round?

YoungTexanFan
11-11-2005, 07:37 PM
Why would we want to get rid of Carr? Draft Reggie Bush and let him in the backfield and get some line men in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Job complete...

NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!

why do people think bush would succede on this team more than DD. While i agree he is not our permenant back, he is fine for now.

Draft stratagy in first round:
2005: D'brick
2006: Olsen from the U
2007: Peterson

texplayer2
11-11-2005, 08:26 PM
Why would we want to get rid of Carr? Draft Reggie Bush and let him in the backfield and get some line men in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Job complete...

I like this as a start. You need the best talent you can get in the first rnd. And go buy some better linemen. If our line was decent this year we might have been contending for the play-offs, but we would still have been miles away from the SUPERBOWL. Our defense isn't that good and the Colts will beat us up for the next few years. Bush would improve our team in several positions(versatile). Why does everyone think you would get rid of Domanick Davis if we picked up Bush? We are currently carrying more than one rb. I think it will take several linemen to make our team better, Carr is not getting hit from just one side. He doesn't know which way to go. Getting a new coach for the linemen might also help, instead of promoting them to offensive coordinator?

YoungTexanFan
11-11-2005, 08:38 PM
I like this as a start. You need the best talent you can get in the first rnd. And go buy some better linemen. If our line was decent this year we might have been contending for the play-offs, but we would still have been miles away from the SUPERBOWL. Our defense isn't that good and the Colts will beat us up for the next few years. Bush would improve our team in several positions(versatile). Why does everyone think you would get rid of Domanick Davis if we picked up Bush? We are currently carrying more than one rb. I think it will take several linemen to make our team better, Carr is not getting hit from just one side. He doesn't know which way to go. Getting a new coach for the linemen might also help, instead of promoting them to offensive coordinator?

you cannot just go "buy" top tier offensive linemen. Studs like you are likely refering to in order to keep Carr upright have to be drafted and developed. When was the last time you saw a team put a good LT or RG or w/e on the FA market? that's not even talking about the elite ones! it doesnt happen. (Orlando Pace was only using us, as i am assuming this will be your arguing point.) guys might chose to leave, but they wont come here.

beerlover
11-11-2005, 10:10 PM
you cannot just go "buy" top tier offensive linemen. Studs like you are likely refering to in order to keep Carr upright have to be drafted and developed. When was the last time you saw a team put a good LT or RG or w/e on the FA market? that's not even talking about the elite ones! it doesnt happen. (Orlando Pace was only using us, as i am assuming this will be your arguing point.) guys might chose to leave, but they wont come here.

which is why the Texans should draft the BTA (best tackle available) in 06 :cool:

WiiBrawler
11-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Mobility has nothing to do with giving up sacks if that is what you are referring to. The most sacked guys in the league each year are the mobile guys (Culpepper, Vick, Carr etc.)

Thats because they're o-line sucks, and the team doesnt care becuase they're fast enough to avoid it,

YoungTexanFan
11-11-2005, 11:01 PM
which is why the Texans should draft the BTA (best tackle available) in 06 :cool:

YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!

I'm starting a list of people who want BTA:
Me (YoungTexanFan)
Beerlover

all others: join now, or be laughed at midway through next season!!

Vinny
11-11-2005, 11:12 PM
Thats because they're o-line sucks, and the team doesnt care becuase they're fast enough to avoid it,Speed has nothing to do with avoiding sacks for the most part.

Napa Auto Parts
11-11-2005, 11:31 PM
Assuming we end up with one of top 3 picks, does it make since to trade Carr and go for Matt Leinert? Salaries would be about same & we could use the $8 million. Trade Walker who was identified as a probable starter for most teams? We should be able to get low first or high second for each. Leinert should be no worse than Carr, even if he sits behind Banks one year. We could package picks to go after a left ot. I do not see a big jump in wins in 2006 no matter what is done.


Cant be traded any how if it was possible the most we could get for Carr would be a 5th rounder at best.

Nighthawk
11-12-2005, 12:51 AM
Either pay the 8 mil, or back to square 1 training a new QB how to run an NFL offense.

Well, since Carr clearly doesn't know how, I don't see how that answers any questions.

Nighthawk
11-12-2005, 12:55 AM
I don't want a rookie QB next year. We've got enough problems to worry about, IMO.

We've got an offensive nucleus - Carr / Davis / Johnson. Put

Rookie/smookie. It all depends on the particular guy. If we'd had the Pittsburg rookie, Big Ben, we would have been fine.

And ifyou think Carr/Davis/AJ is the nucleus of an offense, well, pass the ganja.

TheOgre
11-12-2005, 02:53 AM
Thats because they're o-line sucks, and the team doesnt care becuase they're fast enough to avoid it,

No, the main reason that the rushing QB's get sacked a lot is that they tend to hold onto the ball too long. They are so used to scrambling around and making plays with their feet that it often backfires on them.

TheOgre
11-12-2005, 03:00 AM
I have read a lot of people want us to trade down and get a lessor LT in the 1st. Ferguson is compared favorably to Walter Jones (Seattle). A lot of the other guys are highly rated but more questionable. So would you rather have a young Walter Jones
OR
a young Jonas Jennings and a 2nd rounder?

Personally I take the probable star player over two probable good ones almost every time.