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Goldeagle
11-09-2005, 11:13 PM
What do you think the work ethic is like on this team?

You here so much about the greats showing up early, watching video, leaving late and all that.

Im not saying guys have to do that if they are putting in a full day, but I wonder what the work ethic of this team is?

I have heard they are the typicl 9-5, come in, work hard, but not early and no one stays late. I dont know if that is true, but I am curious.

Vinny
11-09-2005, 11:44 PM
I know that we have talked about Carr not putting in any extra time over at HPF a few times. Keith mentions it at the end of this thread and has brought it up a few times. I'd say Carr is a hard worker otherwise though. No denying that.

This morning on 610AM, John McClain had a rather startling comment regarding DC. The conversation was about how the really good QB's are motivated to spend extra hours after practice and on Tuesday, their day off, in the film room studying the opposing team. Assuming the role of team leader, these QB's will get their receivers in the film room also and they will discuss route running and strategy.

When asked about Carr, McClain said he doesn't do this. That was it - a simple statement of fact - with no follow-up.

Did anyone else hear this? Did I understand wrong? No, you heard right. I think I posted secondhand info stating the same around this forum a few times since '02 or '03.

Carr places his family and home life very high on his priority list -- something I might add both the Texans (and nearly ALL of the fans) thought was wonderful, a breath of fresh air, etc. Can't have it both ways, can you?

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=51969&highlight=carr%20family#post51969

Doom Capers
11-10-2005, 02:04 AM
Robaire Smith defines this thread.

Malloy
11-10-2005, 04:58 AM
If Carr (or any other player for that matter) is "only" doing the 9-5 thing I'm sure it's not due to lack of interest or dedication. I'm guessing that once you're going through the season there's only so much muscle you can build up, and most of "practise" will be preparing for the next game and trying to get rid of injuries, bruises and such. Regardless of how one sees Carr as a QB, I'm sure that no one doubt that he's one tough kid. So many sacks, and he's still not in an institution drooling all over himself. At least the Carr-haters should appreciate his durability :)

infantrycak
11-10-2005, 08:52 AM
This is one of those total conjecture things with few exceptions because we have very little idea what the players are doing in their "free" time. One of the things that has made Ray Lewis and Ed Reed great is their film study--but they do it at home. But for reporters doing stories on them you would think they are 9-5 guys. It would be nice if the Chronicle reporters would do more than just report departure times and actually go investigate the weekly routines for some of the players.

Kaiser Toro
11-10-2005, 09:10 AM
I believe in a strong and balanced work ethic. For me or any others to speculate on the work ethic of this team is a shot in the dark. Only those guys on the team know how each player stacks up. The work ethic variable is up to the front office in taking a player and then up to the coach to meld him into a contributing player. If we got a player with bad work ethic then it is the fault of the entire organization.

MorKnolle
11-10-2005, 09:55 AM
The players are not only at work from 9-5. They come in at 6:30am to start workouts and treatment while most people are still in bed sleeping. Many days the players are in until around 5. Yes they have Tuesdays off but every player in the league does, but they also come in for a while on Saturdays and obviously play on Sundays, so Tuesday is their one day of the week to have off.

the wonger need food
11-10-2005, 10:18 AM
Wasn't there someone from Jax that stated the Texans receivers were the laziest he'd ever seen?

Who could blame these guys for being lazy or quitting? They know they're in a system that can only yield unsuccessful results. Their job is really just like anyone else's. It reminds me of a scene from Office Space...

David Carr: You see Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

Bob McNair: Don't... don't care?

Big Dave: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my *** off and
the team gets a few more wins, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's another thing, I have eight different bosses right now.

Bob McNair: Eight?

Trent Dilfer II: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

Kaiser Toro
11-10-2005, 10:23 AM
Break out the Oh face.

Malloy
11-10-2005, 10:33 AM
Wasn't there someone from Jax that stated the Texans receivers were the laziest he'd ever seen?


Carr also *****ed at the JAX in general, does not make it true. IMO it's just alot of talk talk...

Runner
11-10-2005, 10:43 AM
It would be nice if the Chronicle reporters would do more than just report departure times and actually go investigate the weekly routines for some of the players.

You have to take what you see in the Chronicle with a grain of salt. The reporters in the sports section are no more immune to spin (their own and from their sources) then those in the political section. They make enough mistakes in reporting basic, easy to check facts (i.e. last weeks article stating that all players in the NFL get Monday off (Tuesday is the actual day)), that anything in-depth should be read with a critical eye.

eriadoc
11-10-2005, 10:47 AM
Richard Justice and/or John McClain, on SR610, has also reported that Carr spends a great deal of time at home studying film.

I think the whole team works hard, but at times, I'm not sure they have direction.

Double Barrel
11-10-2005, 12:14 PM
All that matters in the NFL at the end of the day is scoreboard.

And if records are any indication of an overall "work ethic", then our 1-7 record clearly indicates that something is not quite right in this area.

I'm not saying that individual players don't have great work ethics (that would fall under speculation)...but, as a TEAM, coming out so unorganized and quite pathetic in the first 6 games, it seems obvious that they are not a cohesive unit, which reflects on the state of practice and leadership within the organization, IMO.

Kaiser Toro
11-10-2005, 01:25 PM
You have to take what you see in the Chronicle with a grain of salt. The reporters in the sports section are no more immune to spin (their own and from their sources) then those in the political section. They make enough mistakes in reporting basic, easy to check facts (i.e. last weeks article stating that all players in the NFL get Monday off (Tuesday is the actual day)), that anything in-depth should be read with a critical eye.

I 110% concur with this statement.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2005, 04:10 PM
:texflag: In the 70's and 80's , Al Davis said he preferred single players because they had no responsibility's except football .
Football players have to stay late and watch film for six months and for Carr's money I don't believe that would be asking to much .

MorKnolle
11-10-2005, 04:34 PM
:texflag: In the 70's and 80's , Al Davis said he preferred single players because they had no responsibility's except football .
Football players have to stay late and watch film for six months and for Carr's money I don't believe that would be asking to much .

These days I'd disagree with that, single players have so much more trouble they can and tend to get into with their spare time rather than having family and football to occupy your time.

El Tejano
11-10-2005, 04:48 PM
Or the single guys still have to go to this autograph session, this fashion show, Gallery Furniture to redecorate a room in their house, go to this or that radio show, go play flag football with the boys and girls club, be taken to school, go on shopping sprees that a fan won.

Yes I know, alot of teams do that. My point is it doesn't make a difference.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2005, 05:19 PM
Would Joe Namath had been Broadway Joe with a wife and 3 kids ? Tom Brady is the new Broadway Joe ... off the field anyhow . Point is its not bad to have a little maverick in your players .

mean mark8
11-10-2005, 05:41 PM
Let me say this about "extra" work.

-When your boss gives you a day off you take it. And you work harder when you get back.
And John McClain says Carr is not throwing after practice like Dave Ragone does. It is probably because Carr has a 16 game season to wory about, he throws a lot of balls during the season and takes a pounding. It is a long season for a starting qaurterback, that is why the back up stays afterward because he gets No reps in practice.

Questioning a mans work ethic such as Carr or someone that is not known for such things is not right, saying he does not know what he has to do every week to get ready is stupid.

These are pofesionals they know what they have to to get ready.

It has been well-noted that Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison stay late after every practice and arrive early before every game to run the "tree," a series of patterns from the same spot. Both players are starters and both are ranked among the elite in production as a tandem. Extra work pays off and it is not just for the second tier players who want to make it to the first tier.

I also read an article in ESPN magazine about Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson driving to a game to watch Manning and Harrison play. They talked the entire several hundred mile trip and on their way home made the determination that they wanted to be just like the Colts' duo. Look at those two now. Football is a team sport and there are somethings you just can't get accomplished by yourself. Getting the timing down with a receiver or two is definitely one thing you can't do alone.

Runner
11-11-2005, 07:59 PM
For the second stringers there are a couple of reasons to put in extra work. One, because you are a professional and that's what you do. Two, to impress the coaches.

If you do the second you hope to get called on when opportunities arise, get more playing time, advance your career, etc.

However, this week we see what the Texans coaches do. There is an opening on the line, and it looks like they are going to insert the player who, judging by his conditioning and inability to make weight, is arguably one of the "least hard workers" on the team.

A lot of people think Weary is too bad to play, but what has Riley showed us this year? This is an opportunity to get a bench player extended time to evaluate what he has, but instead we insert a proven non-performer into a position he hasn't played before. What message does that send about hard work?

The coaches here kill the players' spirit and drive in a variety of ways - this is just another example.

Goldeagle
11-11-2005, 08:11 PM
Thanks for all the replies guys.

I still like that DC is a family man and I think (like Tony Dungy said on Sirius radio) he has talent, he just needs better protection.

I cant ask anyone to do more than I do at my work so if the guys come in and work and leave at their time, I wont complain, but many of the greats did put in that extra time.

I dont know if they need a better work ethic, or better coaching (I say coaching and draft/free agent choices), but I was curious on this issue (Work ethic).

Ibar_Harry
11-11-2005, 10:00 PM
I still like that DC is a family man and I think (like Tony Dungy said on Sirius radio) he has talent, he just needs better protection.



If Dungy thinks he has talent and needs more protection then I would hope that some of the critics would stand up and take notice. Just another person saying what so many have said, but I think he knows a little bit about football. Perhaps a little more than most of us posting here, but then again I might be wrong about that.

Vinny
11-11-2005, 10:20 PM
I think Tony Dungy would like to see Carr here for a long, long time.

Honoring Earl 34
11-11-2005, 10:39 PM
:texflag: If Dungy likes Carr so much ... I say we should swap QBs. I mean whats he gonna say .

Ibar_Harry
11-11-2005, 11:31 PM
I think Tony Dungy would like to see Carr here for a long, long time.

I think I would take Dungy over Capers and Vinny.

Goldeagle
11-12-2005, 07:26 PM
As Dungy said, Even Peyton Manning would get creamed with what we have.

NFLforher
11-12-2005, 10:24 PM
Would Joe Namath had been Broadway Joe with a wife and 3 kids ? Tom Brady is the new Broadway Joe ... off the field anyhow . Point is its not bad to have a little maverick in your players .


Like T.O.????

:thumbdown


David has a wife and 3 sons to take care of....he's not out on the party circuit, he doesn't have any DUI's, he doesn't have 5 "David Carr jr's" running around and he's not in court for non payment of child support.

Honoring Earl 34
11-12-2005, 10:44 PM
:texflag: Make no mistake this is not the Cubscouts . It is about winning ... wether it Staubach a Naval officer or Broadway Joe a male ho I don't really care if they can play .