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ojthecat
11-09-2005, 10:00 PM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium. I have had it. We have wasted 3 1/2 years and are going nowhere. I dont care if we give 110% the rest of the season and if we win the turnover battle and if our guys don't quit.

Mr. McNair you need to open up your wallet and do whatever it takes to get Jimmy to come out of retirement.

We shouldn't have through another 5 year plan and Mr. McNair needs to make a statement. Fire Capers now and put Pendry in as interm coach. Start shopping now for a new HC.

Why should we wait until the end of the year to fire Capers.
We have waited long enough.

BuffSoldier
11-09-2005, 10:04 PM
Okay... you do that. Oh by the way, would you happen to be a season ticket holder?? If you are, I know that you wont want to go to the games until they get a new coach either. And since sitting their knowing that you have season tickets is so very tempting, I personally offer to guard them for you as long as it takes. Its a tough job, but someone has to do it.

ledzeppelin229
11-09-2005, 10:07 PM
Unfortunately I think this season is basically over. Interim coach wouldn't really accomplish anything. Just go try and hire Art Shell. He isn't busy with anything right now as far as I know, and he'll put an emphasis on the O/D Lines and build from there. Atleast he would have the rest of the season to evaluate the current team and decide who gets voted off the island.

Vinny
11-09-2005, 10:09 PM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

ledzeppelin229
11-09-2005, 10:16 PM
Because, this team doesn't even seem to gameplan for the win anymore. It's all about losing by as little as possible, and if the football gods smile on us against a terrible team, maybe we'll get thrown a win here and there.

It's just frustrating to see such a lack of progress. Not to mention we seem to have the same problems every season so far.

swisher
11-09-2005, 10:21 PM
Count me as one who in a weird perverse way is actually enjoying this season. You can't enjoy the good times without going through the bad times first.

Our day is coming. I plan on bieng here when it happens. And I plan on bieng here until it happens.

gg no re
11-09-2005, 10:24 PM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?
Reference: 2005 Astros. Took huge offseason losses, so we don't expect them to repeat last year's success. As a "part-time" [read: bandwagon] fan, I wasn't angry with the Astros for starting off rough, because it was expected of them.

The 2005 Texans. They were expected to improve on last year's success. As a "true-to-heart" [read: bandwagon] fan, I am angry with the Texans for starting off rough, because it wasn't expected of them.

As such, we are not an exception. We're just the bad type of bad team.

ojthecat
11-09-2005, 10:29 PM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

Tolerant of a dissapointing year? That is an understatment.
So how does not think that Capers will be fired?

First I am still going to go the games I am just not going to spend any more money supporting the Franchise. I bought PSL's and I will still root for the Texans I just won't vote for them with any more of my money. I will renew my tickets for next year I would just like for Mr. McNair to send everyone a message that he will not tollerate the performances that we have seen. I am sick and tired of us game planning to stay close and maybe win one at the end. Yes that was fine the first 2 years but as fans we deserve better. I am can handle a disapointing year but what I have seen this year is beyond dissapointment. Several players have just mailed it in. The blame has to fall on the coaching staff. We all know that Capers is gone at the end of the year so why prolong our agony. I remeber when Bud put in Fischer as interem coach with the Oilers that has worked out pretty well. As fans we have spent a ton of money supporting the team and with the state of affairs it appears to me that the franchise is just going to right this year off and start again next year.

FILO_girl
11-09-2005, 10:39 PM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium. I have had it. We have wasted 3 1/2 years and are going nowhere. I dont care if we give 110% the rest of the season and if we win the turnover battle and if our guys don't quit.

Mr. McNair you need to open up your wallet and do whatever it takes to get Jimmy to come out of retirement.

We shouldn't have through another 5 year plan and Mr. McNair needs to make a statement. Fire Capers now and put Pendry in as interm coach. Start shopping now for a new HC.

Why should we wait until the end of the year to fire Capers.
We have waited long enough.

I think your tactics stink, but....

Since you plan to boycott for awhile, do you want to sell some of your memorabilia you have now? I am always looking for new and cool things to add to the Texans room here at my house. I am hoping a few more of you want to sell out so I can stock up at a reasonable cost. :ok:

Vinny
11-09-2005, 10:40 PM
I'm as disappointed as anyone but heck; the Chargers fell from 8-8 to 4-12 then back to 12-4. It's not about "deserving better". This is one tough league and sometimes things just don't come together like you plan. You guys can boycott the team or whatever...I'll enjoy some real NFL football here in Houston although I'm all crapped out on winning anything this year. It's a bummer but I'll get over it. I'm sure they hate losing as much as I do. I don't "deserve" anything else but a team that can spot a problem and work on fixing it...and I think they will do it.

texplayer2
11-09-2005, 10:44 PM
Atleast he would have the rest of the season to evaluate the current team and decide who gets voted off the island.

Hey, that would be a great reality show and maybe they could use the profits to get a few free agents.:yahoo:

Marcus
11-10-2005, 12:06 AM
I know one thing. You people that are freaking out over this losing season are NFL virgins, and never followed an NFL team before.

If you were around when the Oilers were here, or were a fan of them at one time, you'd take this season with a grain of salt.

:goodnight

Nighthawk
11-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

I think this exceeds "a disappointing year." In fact, when carefully studied, it's closer to "a disappointing 4 years," though many were content (in the name of patience and good will) with the pablum served up from the first. The truth is that this has been a terrible mockery of a team from day one. Carr has never shown anything like the talent he is supposed to have. The coaching and preparation was routinely bad. The selections and FA acquisitions were spotty at best. This is clearer now than it was a year or two ago, but I maintain that it was clear even then.

All that said, McNair has the opportunity now to do something dramatic and smart. Will he? I haven't the slightest idea, but it is at least possible.

I, too, would fire Capers and as many of the lame & halt we have on our coaching staff right now. It will make no difference to the team or season, but it will set a strong precedent that McNair intends to do better and NOT TO TOLERATE the kind of c**p we've been getting for the first 4 years from the players, the coaches, the GM, the whole lot.

It's 4 years into the franchise and these yokels could not carry the Oilers' jocks. It's embarrassing.

Paragon Blue
11-10-2005, 02:19 AM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium. I have had it. We have wasted 3 1/2 years and are going nowhere. I dont care if we give 110% the rest of the season and if we win the turnover battle and if our guys don't quit.

Mr. McNair you need to open up your wallet and do whatever it takes to get Jimmy to come out of retirement.

We shouldn't have through another 5 year plan and Mr. McNair needs to make a statement. Fire Capers now and put Pendry in as interm coach. Start shopping now for a new HC.

Why should we wait until the end of the year to fire Capers.
We have waited long enough.
:BananaWav Dont let the door hit you on the way out!!!!!!!!

Malloy
11-10-2005, 04:50 AM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium. I have had it. We have wasted 3 1/2 years and are going nowhere. I dont care if we give 110% the rest of the season and if we win the turnover battle and if our guys don't quit.

Does this mean you'll stop posting here too ?


I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

Thank you. Most teams won't have winning seasons and all teams suffer from hitting rock bottom now and then, it's how the league works.


Reference: 2005 Astros. Took huge offseason losses, so we don't expect them to repeat last year's success. As a "part-time" [read: bandwagon] fan, I wasn't angry with the Astros for starting off rough, because it was expected of them.

The 2005 Texans. They were expected to improve on last year's success. As a "true-to-heart" [read: bandwagon] fan, I am angry with the Texans for starting off rough, because it wasn't expected of them.

I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense. I'm getting real tierd when people complain about a team (ANY team) not reaching that persons own SUBJECTIVE expectations. Instead of complaining that a team is not delivering what I wanted them to deliver, spend a bit more time analyzing the situation and attempt to locate possible (and remember that there are no absolute answers for this question) solutions so that a team perhaps one day can reach your expectations.

Thank you.

Tedc
11-10-2005, 07:26 AM
We have football. :texflag: I am happy.

cred
11-10-2005, 07:38 AM
To me it is not the losing that hurts, it is the way we are losing. All of our losses have been by a touchdown or more, so the theory of keeping it close just isn't working. The head office has known from the start that the o-line sucks and have not done anything about it, legitimatly, and if you talk about Pace this past offseason, that was a joke. And to make it worse, with free agency in the offseason, we still have to win some games just to entice some decent free agents to shop with us in the offseason. To me this season is a bust. I still watch the games, but honestly I am already looking forward to the draft to acquiring that franchise O-lineman that we have needed from the start, weather it is a tackle, center, or guard. I say all three because to be honest I don't know if they will leave C. Pitts at tackle or guard, but everyone else sucks! I just hope C. Casserly doesn't screw it up by trading all over the draft board like he is known for, that is "if" he is still here at that time. This not meant to be so negative, just had to vent some frustration, sorry.

aj.
11-10-2005, 08:14 AM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year.

Some people go through "it" in stages or on a continuum. Anger .. frustration .. resignation .. tolerance .. apathy. Hopefully "it" never gets as far as apathy, or resignation/tolerance for more than one season - that's not good for business.

I'm not into boycotts but I do understand that not everyone deals with home team failure the same way. But I will make an exception and boycott this thread if it turns into yet another "I'm a real fan and you're not" crap slinging debate.

Firing Capers before Week 17 and putting Pendry in there does nothing. It would have the same net effect as replacing Ed Biles with Chuck Studley ('83 Oilers for the youngsters). Our future coach, whether it's Herm, Jeff, or Gary won't be able to talk until after the season anyway. And if JJ is interested in becoming a GM, I'm sure those discussions are already occurring.

buckaroo_banzai
11-10-2005, 08:22 AM
i kinda try to look at the bigger picture.
see how this season shakes out then wait to see what changes are made.
it ought to be an interesting offseason with potential coaching changes and new draft picks, plus any free agents we can get.
i know this season is over, but the offseason sure won't be dull!
(i hope):texflag:

gg no re
11-10-2005, 08:31 AM
I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense. I'm getting real tierd when people complain about a team (ANY team) not reaching that persons own SUBJECTIVE expectations. Instead of complaining that a team is not delivering what I wanted them to deliver, spend a bit more time analyzing the situation and attempt to locate possible (and remember that there are no absolute answers for this question) solutions so that a team perhaps one day can reach your expectations.I apologize VERY much, and recognize the need to suggest if I complain.

Here are my suggestions:

1) Get an oline. [shoots a dead horse]
2) Get a TE who can block AND catch AND not get injured for three years straight. [shoots dead horse again]
3) Based on the results following 1 & 2, the following options are one or the other: A) Fire Capers or b) Bench Carr. [shoots dead horse two more times, then runs from animal activists]

What's wrong with my suggestions? Oh, it's only the fact that everyone else makes the same 'suggestions', so I feel there's no need to add my two cents if my two cents had been made by the thousands of other Texans fans.

On a final note, they weren't subjective expectations. Pre-05 Texans were always one play away from winning most games they lost. The expectations were realistic. Or at least, until that stinker vs. Cleveland last year.

tex
11-10-2005, 08:40 AM
I'm sure one fan boycotting is going to get a lot of changes made.Oh well it's worth a try.

Kaiser Toro
11-10-2005, 09:00 AM
Boycott, schmoycott. Its a free country. After reading this thread all I could envision was McNair and Cass doing a Karaoke duet to Safety Dance:

Say, we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
well they're no friend of mine.

Many have said it here, but the good times will be special after this lull in our history. Every team has one, buck up little trooper!

TEXANRED
11-10-2005, 09:14 AM
I'm as disappointed as anyone but heck; the Chargers fell from 8-8 to 4-12 then back to 12-4. It's not about "deserving better". This is one tough league and sometimes things just don't come together like you plan. You guys can boycott the team or whatever...I'll enjoy some real NFL football here in Houston although I'm all crapped out on winning anything this year. It's a bummer but I'll get over it. I'm sure they hate losing as much as I do. I don't "deserve" anything else but a team that can spot a problem and work on fixing it...and I think they will do it.

Hey I actualy agree with you. We must not be talking about Carr.

However, the Chargers might have went from 8-8 to 4-12 to 12-4, we went from 4-12 to 5-11 to 7-9 to, as of right now, 1-7. Dont get me wrong, I am not agreeing with the extreemist's, I just see their point.

But it is..., well I am not going to call anyone ignorant, thats just rude, silly is the word I am looking for, anyone to not go to games, boo the home team, throw things at Carrs family, and not show Texan pride by not buying things. But that is just my opinion.

MorKnolle
11-10-2005, 09:34 AM
Count me as one who in a weird perverse way is actually enjoying this season. You can't enjoy the good times without going through the bad times first.

Our day is coming. I plan on bieng here when it happens. And I plan on bieng here until it happens.

Finally a sensible fan speaks up.

I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?

Apparently people think that in our fourth year after building a team from scratch that we should be better than all these teams that have been building up for decades.

TheOgre
11-10-2005, 10:01 AM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium. I have had it. We have wasted 3 1/2 years and are going nowhere. I dont care if we give 110% the rest of the season and if we win the turnover battle and if our guys don't quit.

Mr. McNair you need to open up your wallet and do whatever it takes to get Jimmy to come out of retirement.

We shouldn't have through another 5 year plan and Mr. McNair needs to make a statement. Fire Capers now and put Pendry in as interm coach. Start shopping now for a new HC.

Why should we wait until the end of the year to fire Capers.
We have waited long enough.
So let me get this straight. Your plan is to boycott the purchase of merchandise and encourage others to do the same to encourage McNair to spend MORE money on his personnel? McNair has one of the deepest and most expensive front offices in the league. He is more of a victim of a non-productive GM and coach than us. So you want to punish this guy?

Bob McNair is the one person I believe in throughout the organization. He has marketed this team extremely well and seems to have a link to the pulse of his fans. The more I think about it, the more I believe that he will completely clean house. He knows his fans will not be around if this staff stays for another season. He wants to win as much, if not moreso, than us. Speculation on 610 am was McNair was a key reason they made the OC change during the bye week.

This was his first go-round with hiring a GM and coach. Hopefully he is able to make the proper adjustments and bring in the right guys.

I do not question his desire. He showed me what he is made of when he stole the expansion slot from LA. He will not sit idly by. He wants to win NOW too.

Malloy
11-10-2005, 10:08 AM
He knows his fans will not be around if this staff stays for another season. He wants to win as much, if not moreso, than us.

He could always move the team somewhere else, although the name WOULD be a problem. L.A. Texans... uhm... :)

beerlover
11-10-2005, 10:19 AM
He could always move the team somewhere else, although the name WOULD be a problem. L.A. Texans... uhm... :)

did not stop them from changing names of the California Angels to the Anaheim Angels to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim :tomato:

SheTexan
11-10-2005, 10:33 AM
I know one thing. You people that are freaking out over this losing season are NFL virgins, and never followed an NFL team before.

If you were around when the Oilers were here, or were a fan of them at one time, you'd take this season with a grain of salt.

:goodnight

AIN'T that the truth!! Most of these NFL "virgins" will be back in a few years, when we have a winning season, SWEARING they have always stood by their TEXANS, even during the tough times! HAHA! I'm keeping track of names!!:)

eriadoc
11-10-2005, 10:43 AM
I have gone to all the home games and I don't buy concessions or merchandise anymore. Call it poor fandom or whatever you want - I call it being fiscally responsible with my money. I'm not going to go plop down a big chunk of money on a vehicle that doesn't run and I'm not going to go plop down a huge chunk of money on a team that doesn't play NFL-caliber football. I told my wife if they played eight consecutive quarters of solid football, I'd go back to buying overpriced food at the stadium. They've done that. The last couple weeks, they've come back to playing NFL-caliber football, so I feel I am getting my money's worth now, even if we do lose. IMO, buying PSLs and season tickets entitles you to watch NFL football. Otherwise, you can go watch Rice. The Texans games resembled Rice games for the first few weeks. Now they are back to presenting a decent product.

As others have said on this thread, the NFL is tough and wins are far from guaranteed. As long as the team is playing hard and showing signs of life, I'll keep spending.

Runner
11-10-2005, 10:57 AM
Count me as one who in a weird perverse way is actually enjoying this season. You can't enjoy the good times without going through the bad times first.

Our day is coming. I plan on bieng here when it happens. And I plan on bieng here until it happens.

When I lived in San Antonio I had Spurs season tickets (two years pre-David Robinson) and kept them as they built and rebuilt. I was there from very poor through some pretty successful seasons, but moved here before they started winning championships. During those early 20 win seasons I enjoyed the team and watching the other NBA teams that came to town. That whole experience has made the 3 Championships - and counting - sweet indeed.

"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it." - Greg Anderson

Although I'll admit there would be joy to winning the Super Bowl.

HomeBred_Texan
11-10-2005, 10:58 AM
Well I hope the fair weathered fans don't block my path to the stadium..

I will be with the Texans thick and thin. I have 2 season tickets and a parking pass. Rain or shine, I will always be in my seat. I look VERY forward to watching Mr. Reggie Bush running the ball with DD next year. And I wont even miss DD is he is cut or traded. If we do not draft the top RB or QB in the draft, I will then be displeased, but will continue to support. I do not like Capers and his crew, but will still be there even if he is coach again next year. I love football and was miserable when the Oilers moved out. I never had season tickets to them, but have items of interest.

So all I can say, is instead of spouting off in the forum that you are gonna do this and that, think about this...

Bad football or NO football?????????

I choose bad football....

ATX_Texan
11-10-2005, 11:16 AM
I am tired about this whole “let’s just be happy to have NFL football” attitude some people promote. I feel that most fans have been very patient with the development of the Texans.

Most of us believed that this team was headed in the right direction until the end of last season. We did accept the struggles of an expansion team through the first seasons. However, the management of the team (owner, GM, coaches) all sold the fans on a five year plan of building a play off (not Super Bowl) contending team. The disappointment that people are feeling is because of the realization that we still look like an expansion team. On top of that, it appears that this team does not show any of the competitiveness that we fans had come to expect during the previous seasons.

There are many teams in the NFL that don’t care about really competing in the top tier. Most of these teams like the Cardinals, Saints, and Titans have old school owners who got into the NFL in the beginning and are now just content to live off the revenues generated by the entire league. For these fans, they just have to accept the joy of having NFL football every week. These owners just put a team on the field and demand the fans accept it through blind loyalty.

Some fans are not willing to accept just any product shoved out on the field. We see that what happens when the fans in Cincinnati force the ownership to at least try and put out a competitive team. We see a perennial bottom dweller like the Falcons rise up with new ownership and management to be one of the better franchises. We see teams like the Cowboys and Chargers who were in just as bad a shape as the expansion Texans five years ago build themselves up while Casserly and company turn the Texans into a bad joke.

I lived through the Oilers years and it shows what happens when an owner is happy just to collect money from the NFL and the people of a city. I want to make sure that does not happen again with the Texans. The fans have a responsibility to point out the mistakes this franchise has made and to request that changes be made to correct them. I don’t think anyone should be all that worried about the Texans leaving anytime soon. The main reason the Oilers left was because of the lack of other revenue streams available to the team, due to the facilities they had. On the other hand, the Texans are one of the top revenue generating teams in the league. The only place McNair could get that kind of money is in Los Angeles and I see many other teams moving there before the Texans.

The bottom line is that the Texans exist because we the fans care enough to devote our time and money to them. For the most part, we just expect the team to devote their time and money into producing a competitive team in a realistic time frame. At this point, I don’t know how anyone can say that the Texans are competitive now and will be anytime soon. If firing Capers is the first step in getting this process started, then let’s do it now rather than later.

Vinny
11-10-2005, 11:33 AM
I have gone to all the home games and I don't buy concessions or merchandise anymore. Call it poor fandom or whatever you want - I call it being fiscally responsible with my money. I'm not going to go plop down a big chunk of money on a vehicle that doesn't run and I'm not going to go plop down a huge chunk of money on a team that doesn't play NFL-caliber football. I told my wife if they played eight consecutive quarters of solid football, I'd go back to buying overpriced food at the stadium. I just use my old tried and true system myself. If I'm hungry I eat, and if I want to buy something 'NFL' I'll buy my home team's stuff. If they are winning the Super Bowl or rebuilding after a disappointing run I'll still follow these time tested decision making methods. :)

beerlover
11-10-2005, 11:38 AM
I just use my old tried and true system myself. If I'm hungry I eat, and if I want to buy something 'NFL' I'll buy my home team's stuff. If they are winning the Super Bowl or rebuilding after a disappointing run I'll still follow these time tested decision making methods. :)

add my :twocents: if I'm thirsty I still buy a drink even if its inflated or overpriced, I would prefeer if it was to enhance the great performances but it also can kill the pain if needed :party:

eriadoc
11-10-2005, 11:41 AM
I just use my old tried and true system myself. If I'm hungry I eat, and if I want to buy something 'NFL' I'll buy my home team's stuff. If they are winning the Super Bowl or rebuilding after a disappointing run I'll still follow these time tested decision making methods. :)

And that, of course, is your prerogative. It's as good a decision-making process as any other on here, to be sure :). It just gets old with the people on here passing judgment that they are somehow superior fans for one reason or another.

Vinny
11-10-2005, 11:43 AM
I'm not passing judgment. I'm typing a funny.

eriadoc
11-10-2005, 11:45 AM
Oh, I know. I wasn't intending to suggest you were personally doing that. It happens here a bit is all I was pointing out. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Double Barrel
11-10-2005, 11:48 AM
I know one thing. You people that are freaking out over this losing season are NFL virgins, and never followed an NFL team before.

If you were around when the Oilers were here, or were a fan of them at one time, you'd take this season with a grain of salt.

:goodnight

Marcus, my friend, you and I have had differences of opinion on a variety of subjects (all respectful, of course).

But we agree on some basic principles, and your statement is clearly one of those times. I agree with you 100%.

I rooted for the Oilers through thick and thin, often being ridiculed by bandwagon Cowboy fans or whoever. But they were my team, born into Oilerland, and stuck with them until they had a Tennessee address (even went to a couple of games during the lame-duck season).

As football fans, we have to understand that NO team will avoid losing seasons. It's just part of the cycle of sports. The Texans, OUR TEAM, had to start off from nothing and get up and running in one of the most competitive leagues on Earth.

So we get our worst season out of the way in year 4. It's eventually going to happen, like the flu, you can't avoid it over the long haul.

Through thick and thin, till death (or team moving) do us part, in good times and bad, this team is OUR team, and WE are it's fans. :texflag:

:homer:

Vinny
11-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Oh, I know. I wasn't intending to suggest you were personally doing that. It happens here a bit is all I was pointing out. Sorry if I wasn't clear.NP,

I really don't buy much gear nor do I eat or drink much at games anyway. I'm just like that though...from little league, to the movie theatre to Pro sporting events. Captive audiences pay captive prices. I've never seen someone in a crowd yell...."Someone get this man a cheesburger! I'm not sure he is going to make it".

getting weak....must purchase...a dome dog.....aaaarrrggghhhh

:tv:

Malloy
11-10-2005, 12:27 PM
getting weak....must purchase...a dome dog.....aaaarrrggghhhh



heeh, you would be happy to know that in my recently purchased Madden06, I started a Houston francise and my first action was to lower beer prices in the stadium to 1$. Man that brought a crowd :)

SESupergenius
11-10-2005, 12:42 PM
We usually tailgate at football games anyways so the purchases inside are minimal. I do buy gear when I go to the stadium on my annual visits, not this year however, I can't make it to any games. But I do however agree in some sort of "protest" be it not purchasing gear, not buying concessions, not buying tickets etc...it's the most effective form of communication a fan has with the team. If you are unhappy you may call a radio show or post your disgruntles in a website forum, but will the CEO's or owners care about that? No, they care about the bottom line and if the bottom line is not to their liking, there will be changes.

OzzO
11-10-2005, 12:48 PM
I am tired about this whole “let’s just be happy to have NFL football” attitude some people promote. I feel that most fans have been very patient with the development of the Texans. ...

ATX - you put some thought into that and easy to read though lengthy, and just wanted to let you know it didn't go unnoticed.... bravo!!

cuppacoffee
11-10-2005, 12:52 PM
Finally a sensible fan speaks up.



Apparently people think that in our fourth year after building a team from scratch that we should be better than all these teams that have been building up for decades.

Not quite the way it is in todays NFL.

The Indy Colts are currently undefeated. They have only 1 player who has played for a decade:
10 years..... Marvin Harrison
They currently list 63 players on their roster, (includes injured reserve).
40 of these players have 4 years or less of experience .
(just picked that number out of thin air :rolleyes: )

The Texans have 1 win.
They have five players with 10 or more years experience
Coleman..10 years
Walker..11 years
Bruener..11 years
Weigert..11 years
Banks..10 years

Only 29 of our players have 4 years or less experience.

I didn't break it down to starters and reserves, but as you can see the vast majority of their players have the same or less experience than our Texans.

What does this prove??.......idonno:

Fire away. :cool:

Colts Roster (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=roster)

cac: :coffee:

OzzO
11-10-2005, 12:59 PM
Maybe it proves that we're still have somewhat the "expansion" label as we have numerous veterans acquired in the expansion draft (with some sprinkled in later in acquisitions for draft picks) and have yet to get to that level of grooming from the draft.

I think in today's chronic Casserly even noted he might got a little ahead of himself in acquiring a player for multiple picks.... when we really wren't "one player" away from greatness.

SESupergenius
11-10-2005, 01:01 PM
It proves that we do not draft well and the we are still shedding our expansion players. We had all those picks and couldn't do much with them other than the obvious selections (Carr, Johnson, Dunta..)

Again, a direct reflection on the GM.

aj.
11-10-2005, 01:36 PM
Like it or not the Texans are only in their fourth year. You really cant even count but one game in the first year,j/k, 19-10:texflag:

Yeah, but unfortunately the signature game of this franchise was it's first. And we are now approaching game 57 as one of the league's worst teams with no improvement in sight.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2005, 01:48 PM
It proves that we do not draft well and the we are still shedding our expansion players. We had all those picks and couldn't do much with them other than the obvious selections (Carr, Johnson, Dunta..)

Again, a direct reflection on the GM.

SES

I cannot recall who the original expansion picks were, but I do not believe too many of them are still with the team. (I could be wrong though)

I do not know if we draft well or not. I do believe that Casserly is too quick to trade away draft picks. We also sign FAs from other teams who we think show promise, only to get them here and not perform up to expectations.
I really believe that we need a change in coaching to see if our players have "it" or not. It appears that there is too much "underperforming and non-executing" on this team for it to be all the fault of our players.
JMHO though.

cac: :coffee:

CanadianTitansFan
11-10-2005, 03:12 PM
I know one thing. You people that are freaking out over this losing season are NFL virgins, and never followed an NFL team before.

If you were around when the Oilers were here, or were a fan of them at one time, you'd take this season with a grain of salt.

:goodnight

I don't think so. If you're referring to the early 80's, we sucked...but we were expected to suck. We were in the "down" cycle. You guys are not supposed to be there. Your supposed to be getting out of the expansion doldrums and competing for a playoff spot.

If you can get to 5 wins, then I think it's valid to say this season was not so anomolous tot he Houston football scene.... When the Oilers began assembling talent around Moon and people expected us to break through, kind of like where you guys are supposed to be, we had a couple of 5-11 seasons.

But I don't think you're going to get anywhere near 5 wins though you do have some games you should be competitive in (AZ, Jax, Titans, SF)....so you never know.

In 94, we got rid of everyone. It was the dawning of a new era. Once again, 2-14 hurt....but realistically everyone knew we were going down....or at least should have known.

And even though those 5-11 years were dissapointing under Moon when people expected us to break through...it never seemed this dark imo. People had confidence in the youngf talent and everyone seemed to think we were still heading in the right direction. Doesn't seem like that's the case there in Houston right now.

So as a ratio between expectations and success...this is shaping up as the worst year in my lifetime for Houston NFL football imo.

Porky
11-10-2005, 03:16 PM
Finally a sensible fan speaks up.



Apparently people think that in our fourth year after building a team from scratch that we should be better than all these teams that have been building up for decades.

Need I remind you that even the Browns, of all teams, made the playoffs in year 4. One of the worst run franchises of it's time, who had nothing come from the exapnsion draft, and couldn't hit on a first rd pick if their very lives depended on it, made the playoffs in yr 4.

Need I also remind you that the Texans aren't just having an off year, they are historically bad, and much worse than their first yr, with 3 drafts and FA signing periods in between. This team was flirting with an alltime NFL record for not having a lead for even one play the entire year. Disapointing year? Get real. This is way beyond disapointing, and if someone doesn't want to support this mess with their hard earned dollars, I am certainly not one to have a problem with that. OTOH, if people want to support a disaster, it's certainly their perrogtive. That's why they make quarter pounders and big macs.

DatTexBoy
11-10-2005, 03:24 PM
The Charlie Casserly with a target on his head is priceless!:yahoo:

Capers should be retained as a defensive coordinator...NOT!:challenge

3-4 defense isn't working under him or Fangio...next!:challenge

I would love to get the Longhorns and develop them into the Texans next team. O-line...D-line...linebackers...backfield...come to thik of it...I think Vince Young and the Horns would embarrass the Texans and Capers...

Okay, rant over!

Ibar_Harry
11-10-2005, 03:26 PM
The Charlie Casserly with a target on his head is priceless!:yahoo:

Capers should be retained as a defensive coordinator...NOT!:challenge

3-4 defense isn't working under him or Fangio...next!:challenge

I would love to get the Longhorns and develop them into the Texans next team. O-line...D-line...linebackers...backfield...come to thik of it...I think Vince Young and the Horns would embarrass the Texans and Capers...

Okay, rant over!

Its coaching and nothing else is wrong. Yea, we could have changed the emphasis of our draft some, but that is simply a coaches biasis too. Frustrating isn't it?

Double Barrel
11-10-2005, 03:37 PM
Need I remind you that even the Browns, of all teams, made the playoffs in year 4. One of the worst run franchises of it's time, who had nothing come from the exapnsion draft, and couldn't hit on a first rd pick if their very lives depended on it, made the playoffs in yr 4.

Need I also remind you that the Texans aren't just having an off year, they are historically bad, and much worse than their first yr, with 3 drafts and FA signing periods in between. This team was flirting with an alltime NFL record for not having a lead for even one play the entire year. Disapointing year? Get real. This is way beyond disapointing, and if someone doesn't want to support this mess with their hard earned dollars, I am certainly not one to have a problem with that. OTOH, if people want to support a disaster, it's certainly their perrogtive. That's why they make quarter pounders and big macs.

Dang, Porky, you had to tell me about the Browns. I didn't know they went to the playoffs by year 4. :crying:

I can certainly understand your pov as outlined in your second paragraph. It's not my style as a fan, but it's within everyone's right to support/not support the team.

I'd rather demand the removal of the HC and still support the cause, myself. :texflag:

But losing seasons are still part of the overall cycle of sports teams...I guess we just have a longer cycle than other recent franchise teams, 'eh?

MorKnolle
11-10-2005, 04:45 PM
Not quite the way it is in todays NFL.

The Indy Colts are currently undefeated. They have only 1 player who has played for a decade:
10 years..... Marvin Harrison
They currently list 63 players on their roster, (includes injured reserve).
40 of these players have 4 years or less of experience .
(just picked that number out of thin air :rolleyes: )

The Texans have 1 win.
They have five players with 10 or more years experience
Coleman..10 years
Walker..11 years
Bruener..11 years
Weigert..11 years
Banks..10 years

Only 29 of our players have 4 years or less experience.

I didn't break it down to starters and reserves, but as you can see the vast majority of their players have the same or less experience than our Texans.

What does this prove??.......idonno:

Fire away. :cool:

Colts Roster (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=roster)

cac: :coffee:

I was not implying that teams with people who have been in the league for 10+ years will be better than teams with younger players. My point was that we are in the fourth year of our team starting from scratch, whereas these other teams have been building their rosters, coaching staffs, and everyone else involved for however many years, so they have more experience and have had a longer time to collect players that are key components of their team and continually bring up new talent through their team and system. If the NFL forced the Colts to dump their team at the end of the year and start over from scratch and have to pick up a bunch of people in an expansion draft and try to rebuild a team over the next three years, I'm willing to bet they'd be about where our team is now. They might not be 1-7 but they would not be a good team.

MorKnolle
11-10-2005, 04:57 PM
Yes, the Browns made the playoffs in year 4, but look where they're at now, having a down year after building something relatively successful just like us. The Panthers and Jaguars almost made the Super Bowl in their second year. My point was that all teams go through this cycle, and the Texans got their veteran talent in the expansion draft, they were starting to get older and on their way out, so the team has started a rebuilding process, which is likely about to get much more intense this offseason. I am not pleased with a 1-7 record, but this is a natural thing in professional sports, and many people for some reason expected year 4 to be the magical year in which we would contend for a Super Bowl or something like that so they are already talking about giving up on the team and boycotting it and so on. I am not happy with the results this year, most of you I'm sure are not happy with them, and I know the team is not happy with them, and changes will be made in the offseason and the team will continue building and go from there. So stop calling for boycotts of the team because we aren't Super Bowl contenders in our fourth year (for those of you that this applies to), and just go out and enjoy football and support your team or else jump on someone else's bandwagon until the Texans are Super Bowl contenders.

gg no re
11-10-2005, 07:02 PM
No one's asking for the Texans to be Super Bowl contenders. We just ask for 8-8 or better.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2005, 07:25 PM
I see the use of the word "cycle" in several posts in this topic.

1 : an interval of time during which a sequence of a recurring succession of events or phenomena is completed
2 a : a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point

I suppose our (the Texans) cycle is composed of losing seasons only.,,:rolleyes:
Sorry, but teams like the Boys, Pats, Rams and now even the Bengals have gone through a cycle. A cycle that includes winning anyway.
The word cycle reminds me of the work execute. Makes for a good sounding excuse. But thats just me.

ps My first broker tried to use that excuse, it didn't fly then either.
He is as gone as this bunch of coaches should be.


cac: :coffee:

mean mark8
11-10-2005, 07:43 PM
I think the reason everyone had high expectations for this year is because we were told to expect more. We are in the 4th year of a 5 year plan. Calling it a down cycle would presume we had already completed our original plan and now have to rebuild due to defections in free agency because our players are more desired by other teams and defections in coaching because of the same. This has not happened. Jeff Posey and Kenny Wright are two players we let go through free agency. We cut Sharper and Aaron Glenn. Apparently they were no longer a part of the 5 yr plan, they were only to get us to year 4. Face it, we were sold a bill of goods telling us that this year we should expect a run at the playoffs. It was all a part of the five year plan. We all bought into it and that's why we're so perplexed about why our team is possibly one of the worst in NFL history. Through 480 minutes of play this year, our team has led for somewhere around 10-15 of them. That is not what we were told to expect.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2005, 07:45 PM
I was not implying that teams with people who have been in the league for 10+ years will be better than teams with younger players. My point was that we are in the fourth year of our team starting from scratch, whereas these other teams have been building their rosters, coaching staffs, and everyone else involved for however many years, so they have more experience and have had a longer time to collect players that are key components of their team and continually bring up new talent through their team and system. If the NFL forced the Colts to dump their team at the end of the year and start over from scratch and have to pick up a bunch of people in an expansion draft and try to rebuild a team over the next three years, I'm willing to bet they'd be about where our team is now. They might not be 1-7 but they would not be a good team.

One of my points was the fact that most of the new talent they have brought in has been in the last four years.
The decades thing sounds good, but I wonder just how long the Pats current GM and coaches have been on the job.
Not picking a fight with one of my favorite posters, :cool: ..just discussing the state of our favorite team...:texflag:

cac: :coffee:

Nighthawk
11-11-2005, 01:45 AM
I don't think so. If you're referring to the early 80's, we sucked...but we were expected to suck. We were in the "down" cycle. You guys are not supposed to be there. Your supposed to be getting out of the expansion doldrums and competing for a playoff spot.

If you can get to 5 wins, then I think it's valid to say this season was not so anomolous tot he Houston football scene.... When the Oilers began assembling talent around Moon and people expected us to break through, kind of like where you guys are supposed to be, we had a couple of 5-11 seasons.

But I don't think you're going to get anywhere near 5 wins though you do have some games you should be competitive in (AZ, Jax, Titans, SF)....so you never know.

In 94, we got rid of everyone. It was the dawning of a new era. Once again, 2-14 hurt....but realistically everyone knew we were going down....or at least should have known.

And even though those 5-11 years were dissapointing under Moon when people expected us to break through...it never seemed this dark imo. People had confidence in the youngf talent and everyone seemed to think we were still heading in the right direction. Doesn't seem like that's the case there in Houston right now.

So as a ratio between expectations and success...this is shaping up as the worst year in my lifetime for Houston NFL football imo.

Agree. I've been around since Blanda,Tolar, and Charlie Hennigan, and no Oiler team that I can remember (OK, I'll give you failing memory) was as bad AND as dull as this team that the Houston Pablums have cooked up.

aj.
11-11-2005, 07:56 AM
'83 was pretty bad - probably as bad or worse than this year's version of the Texans... and we still had Earl - but not much else. I recall going up to Minneapolis that year to watch the winless Oilers take on the Vikings sometime around mid-season. It was the game where a scrambling Archie Manning threw the windmill softball pitch underhand pass to some receiver that's forever etched in the blooper reels. That game was almost as embarrassing as the Texans recent trip to Seattle - at least it wasn't on national tv.

There was a lot of excitement when Hugh Campbell and Moon came in in '84 but that quickly died. It really didn't get fun again until the end of the '86 season when Glanville's boys won their last four home games (including wins that helped knock the Bengals and Vikes out of the playoffs) - the dawning of the House of Pain.

touttail
11-11-2005, 07:59 AM
I'll never understand fans that can't be tolerant of a dissapointing year. Every team has them. Why should we be an exception?


That's true Vinny, Look at the Green Bay Packers this year. They are as bad as the Texans! Bet their fans aren't calling for a boycott. I bet they are like me yelling like crazy and wearing Texans gear.
Where are all the Astros hats and t-shirts. You don't see many wearing them now! Guess the bandwagon jumpers have left for greener pastures!

bobby 119C

touttail
11-11-2005, 08:02 AM
Its coaching and nothing else is wrong. Yea, we could have changed the emphasis of our draft some, but that is simply a coaches biasis too. Frustrating isn't it?

Jimmy Johnson said that 95% of the Texan downfall is team talent, not coaching.

bobby 119C

Malloy
11-11-2005, 08:45 AM
No one's asking for the Texans to be Super Bowl contenders. We just ask for 8-8 or better.

Jeez... most teams in the NFL are not winning teams, expecting a 4-year team to be a winning team is ridiculous!

So tierd of insane fan expectations, you might as well expect that superbowl next year but get ready for the team not to reach your expectations.

OzzO
11-11-2005, 08:54 AM
Expecting 1 or 2 more wins from last year is ridiculous? I think even the FO, coaches, and media were predicting a good (winning) season and possible playoff run for the Texans this year based off last year's performance.... CRAZY these people are!!

Ah, but it's just being optimistic. I think the biggest thing is no one (or very few) saw this big of a drop off between year 3 and 4 for the Texans.

I may be way off, but maybe it's because teams know how to game plan for us. Just like during halftime where game "tweaks" happen, or may not happen, to adjust for the second half... we havn't had much tweaking to throw opposing teams off year to year. Just a thought.

SheTexan
11-11-2005, 09:02 AM
Jimmy Johnson said that 95% of the Texan downfall is team talent, not coaching.

bobby 119C

Where did you read that??! I heard just the opposite. Can't remember where I read it, but, JJ was blaming the coaches and the GM for the downfall of the Texans.

infantrycak
11-11-2005, 09:05 AM
On a pre-game show either last week or the week before JJ was very critical of Casserly's job of drafting and trading. I don't recall it being said as in the Texans' players are untalented, but more in a direct criticism of Casserly that he had missed opportunities to give more talent to the coaches to work with.

Marcus started a thread with a Chronicle article about this.

CanadianTitansFan
11-11-2005, 09:21 AM
'83 was pretty bad - probably as bad or worse than this year's version of the Texans... and we still had Earl - but not much else. I recall going up to Minneapolis that year to watch the winless Oilers take on the Vikings sometime around mid-season. It was the game where a scrambling Archie Manning threw the windmill softball pitch underhand pass to some receiver that's forever etched in the blooper reels. That game was almost as embarrassing as the Texans recent trip to Seattle - at least it wasn't on national tv.

There was a lot of excitement when Hugh Campbell and Moon came in in '84 but that quickly died. It really didn't get fun again until the end of the '86 season when Glanville's boys won their last four home games (including wins that helped knock the Bengals and Vikes out of the playoffs) - the dawning of the House of Pain.

But as a ratio of expectations vs. success it was a completely different scenario. Per your point, we had Earl and little else. No one expected us to win w/Archie and Luck and whoever else was playing for us back then.

Malloy
11-11-2005, 09:25 AM
Expecting 1 or 2 more wins from last year is ridiculous? I think even the FO, coaches, and media were predicting a good (winning) season and possible playoff run for the Texans this year based off last year's performance.... CRAZY these people are!!

Ah, but it's just being optimistic. I think the biggest thing is no one (or very few) saw this big of a drop off between year 3 and 4 for the Texans.

I may be way off, but maybe it's because teams know how to game plan for us. Just like during halftime where game "tweaks" happen, or may not happen, to adjust for the second half... we havn't had much tweaking to throw opposing teams off year to year. Just a thought.

Well, saying "We just ask for 8-8 or better" IS ridicilous!
Just.. JUST??

Vinny
11-11-2005, 09:32 AM
Agree. I've been around since Blanda,Tolar, and Charlie Hennigan, and no Oiler team that I can remember (OK, I'll give you failing memory) was as bad AND as dull as this team that the Houston Pablums have cooked up.I've been here since the Oilers were back to back 1-13. That's 2-26 over two years for the Einsteins. ;) There is no way we are as bad as the team was then. There are just times when the team is going to struggle. Each year teams put a plan together...but so do all the other teams. Just so happens that some plans fail and some plans come together. When they fail you regroup and you get after it the next year.

Double Barrel
11-11-2005, 10:14 AM
That's true Vinny, Look at the Green Bay Packers this year. They are as bad as the Texans! Bet their fans aren't calling for a boycott.

The Packers have tasted success, have multiple NFL Championships in their history to reflect fondly upon. They are a winning franchise that is experiencing an expected downturn in the cycle.

We have never even sniffed the playoffs, much less a winning season. Sure, we almost touched a .500 season last year, but breaking even is not success. It's mediocrity.

If we have a cycle, it's now a cycle of losing. Hey, last year we weren't as big of losers as this year! wooohooo! :tv:

You can't compare the Packers and the Texans. It's not even close to a fair comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. More like comparing apples and styrofoam. ;)

oh yeah, GO TEXANS :texflag: ....always and forever.

Porky
11-11-2005, 03:03 PM
I think the reason everyone had high expectations for this year is because we were told to expect more. We are in the 4th year of a 5 year plan. Calling it a down cycle would presume we had already completed our original plan and now have to rebuild due to defections in free agency because our players are more desired by other teams and defections in coaching because of the same. This has not happened. Jeff Posey and Kenny Wright are two players we let go through free agency. We cut Sharper and Aaron Glenn. Apparently they were no longer a part of the 5 yr plan, they were only to get us to year 4. Face it, we were sold a bill of goods telling us that this year we should expect a run at the playoffs. It was all a part of the five year plan. We all bought into it and that's why we're so perplexed about why our team is possibly one of the worst in NFL history. Through 480 minutes of play this year, our team has led for somewhere around 10-15 of them. That is not what we were told to expect.

Exactly. See my sig line. That's a quote from the owner himself. Rebuilding huh? Whatever happened to the building part of the equation? Did I fall asleep for several years like Rip Van Winkle, only to have missed a playoff run? In order to rebuild, one has to build. When clearing a new piece of land to build a house on it, would you say you are rebuilding the house? No, you would only be rebuilding, if you built the house, and had to tear it down, to make it newer and bigger. Excuses are like.....

Well, you get the picture. :texflag:

Porky
11-11-2005, 03:06 PM
Jeez... most teams in the NFL are not winning teams, expecting a 4-year team to be a winning team is ridiculous!

So tierd of insane fan expectations, you might as well expect that superbowl next year but get ready for the team not to reach your expectations.

Asking a 7-9 team to go 8-8 the following season is unreaslistic? If we ever have a ridicolous post contest, can I be first in line to nominate this one? This goes into the ridicoulous post HOF.

Texas
11-11-2005, 03:06 PM
Why are we bringing negative stuff up again. I thought we finished this thread.

Malloy
11-11-2005, 04:02 PM
Asking a 7-9 team to go 8-8 the following season is unreaslistic? If we ever have a ridicolous post contest, can I be first in line to nominate this one? This goes into the ridicoulous post HOF.

One can hope and wish for a 8-8 or better season, but for anyone to EXPECT something that only a few teams succeed in, that IS ridiculous, especially then one afterwards demand people fired to the left and right. According to that line of thought more than half of the teams should fire their entire organization every year.

aj.
11-11-2005, 06:01 PM
One can hope and wish for a 8-8 or better season, but for anyone to EXPECT something that only a few teams succeed in, that IS ridiculous,

Seventeen teams finished 8-8 or better last year. That's more than half the teams in the league. Expecting 8-8 the year after a 7-9 season is not ridiculous or unrealistic, especially when a team is in a building mode - allegedly.

I don't think this team, with the current management and coaching staff, is capable of giving us more than 7-9 even if you give them four more years. The next coaching staff should get even less time (3 yrs max) to produce a winner (that would be 9-7) since there's already a semblance of a foundation built. I was very patient through Year 3 with this team. My patience is running thin now because the team is obviously going in the wrong direction - bumps in the road be dammed.

cuppacoffee
11-11-2005, 08:02 PM
Where did you read that??! I heard just the opposite. Can't remember where I read it, but, JJ was blaming the coaches and the GM for the downfall of the Texans.

Page C2 TV-Radio Notebook by David Barron in this mornings Chronicle.
Barron says it was on the Fox Sports conference call this week. Howie Long was questioning Johnson about taking the GM job in Houston.

Link To Story (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3453913)

Bobo
11-11-2005, 08:39 PM
I have had enough. Until we have a new coach I will not spend one more dime on Texans memoriblia and I will not buy any thing else at the stadium.

Big deal.

Texans_Chick
11-11-2005, 11:30 PM
It is interesting seeing all the blame gaming and speculation on talk radio and message boards about the Texans.

Once in a while, you hear or read something that sounds spot on, but most of the time the stuff that people are saying is all illogical blathering. When a team loses, folks go nuts and start talking crazy stuff, parsing every public utterance, critizing every gesture, commenting on body language and facial expressions, doing hindsight drafts, grasping for anything that might be "The Answer."

Don't you wish you had a dollar for all the silly things people say about the Texans?

Sometimes I think the worst part of losing is hearing the stupid things that people say about the team after the loss. Factual discussions of the game I can listen to, but the speculating and stupidity just kills me. I don't like thinking that way about other Texans fans, but I just do. I can barely listen to 610 after the game when some of the more crazier comments are made.

And also the gratuitous ugly defeatest pot shots that people take after losses are hard to take too. I betcha before the team plays on Sunday, John McClain thinks up a list of at least 10 snide insults and analogies he can make about the team. Then he just fills in the rest of his Monday column with a few stats. Hello, the team lost, it is obvious--stop just piling on with nasty tired stuff you think is funny and maybe throw in some thoughtful analysis instead of just insults.

I usually like McClain's stuff, but some of his columns on the Texans just seem like lazy Don Rickles stuff with a few canned stats thrown in.

I know that stupidity and ridicule come from your team having only 1 win, but it gets excessive after a while, and hard to find insight among all the blather.

Whenever I hear a statement of someone that says "As a PSL owner who spent bladitty blah money on Texans....", all I can think is that don't you think that Bob McNair who has spent zilliondy dollars on the team wants the team to be successful???

These days, there is parity in the NFL. The talent is similar but injuries and scheduling can really make a big difference.

See e.g.: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9798495/

Anyhow, the margin of error each year for a team is small. Tough schedules, loss of key players, trying to get team chemistry together, and learning up rookies etc, that for most teams, there is a thin line between a successful season and one that is not so much that way. Some stuff you do works, and some stuff you do nonworks.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there is no evidence that McNair is oblivious to how poor the team is playing, or that he is trying to run a team on the cheap like some losing franchises have, or doesn't care what the fans think about stuff.

So why boycott?

My best guess is that he believes that there is no point making a coaching change now and that a change will be made after the season, when we have more options. As an owner who is not nuts, he can't say that.

So, sit back, pop your beverage of choice, and watch the team we are lucky to have. See who can play. See who has no quit. See the rookies grow and learn. Because you can't fire the whole team, so you might as well cheer on these guys, and see who you want to stay your Texans.

All that being said, it sure would be nice if the Texans could destroy some suicide pools this weekend. Hard to do on their turf, but it sure would be fun.:texflag:

HoustonFan
11-12-2005, 09:24 AM
No sense in boycotting until a new coach. Who is going to coach the rest of the way? There are still some games left. And most important, NFL IS BACK IN HOUSTON!!!! :D

Coacn Capers has disappointed me b/c I thought he would do for the Texans what he did for the Panthers in their 2nd season - at some point in the Texans existence. I'll still watch the games, get my blood pressure up screaming at the TV for penalties, mistakes, touchdowns, etc.

GO TEXANS!!:texflag:
:rockets: :astros:

touttail
11-12-2005, 09:39 AM
The Packers have tasted success, have multiple NFL Championships in their history to reflect fondly upon. They are a winning franchise that is experiencing an expected downturn in the cycle.

We have never even sniffed the playoffs, much less a winning season. Sure, we almost touched a .500 season last year, but breaking even is not success. It's mediocrity.

If we have a cycle, it's now a cycle of losing. Hey, last year we weren't as big of losers as this year! wooohooo! :tv:

You can't compare the Packers and the Texans. It's not even close to a fair comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. More like comparing apples and styrofoam. ;)

oh yeah, GO TEXANS :texflag: ....always and forever.



DB,

I wasn't trying to per say compare the Packers to the Texans. I was insinuating about the Packers are having a very bad season and the fans sticking with them, not boycotting the team. I am from Louisiana and was a Saints fan for 30+ years, I know what it's like trying to support a losing team, believe me! I still wore my Archie Manning jersey proudly, and continued supporting "MY" team. I am a Texan season ticket holder and will continue to support the Texans no matter what! I still have a great time tailgating and going to the stadium to be in a NFL atsmosphere. My thinking is you are either a full fledged/die hard fan-no matter what, or a half @$$ fan that is a bandwagon jumper!

Another bigtime game coming on today for me----LSU at Alabama. Looking forward to watching that one today. Geaux Tigers!!!!!!




bobby 119C

Double Barrel
11-12-2005, 12:04 PM
DB,

I wasn't trying to per say compare the Packers to the Texans. I was insinuating about the Packers are having a very bad season and the fans sticking with them, not boycotting the team. I am from Louisiana and was a Saints fan for 30+ years, I know what it's like trying to support a losing team, believe me! I still wore my Archie Manning jersey proudly, and continued supporting "MY" team. I am a Texan season ticket holder and will continue to support the Texans no matter what! I still have a great time tailgating and going to the stadium to be in a NFL atsmosphere. My thinking is you are either a full fledged/die hard fan-no matter what, or a half @$$ fan that is a bandwagon jumper!

Another bigtime game coming on today for me----LSU at Alabama. Looking forward to watching that one today. Geaux Tigers!!!!!!




bobby 119C

I agree with you 100%, my friend. I'm not a boycotting fan, either. I think we have a lot in common, as both the Saints and Oilers had similar histories of good teams coming up short.

And I'm sure as a seasoned Oiler fan from way back, I've been conditioned to stick with my team through thick and thin.

Does this mean I won't voice my opinions about things I want to change? Of course not.

But it does mean that I'll be at every home game and watching every road game, regardless of how good / bad the team is on any given season.

And if there is Texans merchandise that I want, I'll buy it in spite of losing, too. Lately, though, there hasn't been much new stuff, so I'm not inclined to buy anything other than the 3D cup at halftime of every game.

Thanks for the respectful reply, though. We are brothers in arms as Texans fans. :thumbup

Texans_Chick
11-12-2005, 01:35 PM
No sense in boycotting until a new coach. Who is going to coach the rest of the way? There are still some games left. And most important, NFL IS BACK IN HOUSTON!!!! :D

Coacn Capers has disappointed me b/c I thought he would do for the Texans what he did for the Panthers in their 2nd season - at some point in the Texans existence. I'll still watch the games, get my blood pressure up screaming at the TV for penalties, mistakes, touchdowns, etc.

GO TEXANS!!:texflag:
:rockets: :astros:


I think Capers wanted to do the same thing for the Texans. He was actually a pretty good pick to start a team from scratch. My Panther friends all told me that he was a good starter coach, but eventually you were going to want somebody different.

He is all about creating a stable environment. Putting clocks in all the meeting rooms to make sure people are timely. Trying to keep people from getting too high or low through a time when you are more likely to see losses than wins.

In any event, he was facing a tougher time building this team versus the Panthers for a couple of reasons:

1. When the Panthers were created, IIRC, the league still had loser schedules. That is, if you team played poorly, they got a loser schedule the next year. If your team played well, they played a tough schedule the following year. This resulted in some teams coming out of nowhere with great seasons because the level of the competition they were playing wasn't as high as others. (See my previous post in the same thread to see how scheduling can define your whole season).

2. When the Panthers were first in existence, it was easier to get free agents. The FA market was still being worked out then, and so the Panthers were able to get a lot of quality free agents. When the Texans came around, teams had figured out the system a lot better, so they could work deals to keep their quality free agents and there were not many of those for the Texans to chose from.

3. The Texans had access to some better quality expansion draft players than in previous drafts, but mostly because of the salary cap problems with them (and maybe questions about their health combined with salary). The teams could protect more players than they had in previous drafts.

4. IIRC, because of recent expansion teams quick successes, the owners reduced the number of draft choices the Texans got in their first draft.


It is hard putting a team together from scratch. Some players have stayed with their teams longer than the Texans have been existence. Getting a whole bunch of people together, from different situations and teams, is a hard thing to do.


As for the blood pressure going up, I do hope that the Texans get some sort of the breaks with the refs. It almost seems like every time a key play happens, the refs find a way to kill us with some strange penalty. Not blaming the season on that, but geez, can the team get a break?

HoustonFan
11-12-2005, 05:25 PM
As for the blood pressure going up, I do hope that the Texans get some sort of the breaks with the refs. It almost seems like every time a key play happens, the refs find a way to kill us with some strange penalty. Not blaming the season on that, but geez, can the team get a break?

This I think is just a part of representing Houston as a sports franchise. Watch the Rockets, Comets, and I just got into baseball and saw the Astros get screwed a couple of times as well.

Los
11-27-2005, 06:23 PM
What we need to do to get some action is let McNair know we aren't planning to help him generate any more revenue. Don't buy merchandise, 2006 season tickets, and so forth until we see action.

Ok, that may be a bit extreme, but I am still ticked about how we lost this game. We played conservative the second half, instead of having faith in our players, and we ended losing the game on a comeback. The coaching staff is responsible for us playing conservatively...