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YoungTexanFan
11-08-2005, 09:57 PM
I'm always open to suggestion, constructive criticism, and NFL/College News. Tell me what I did wrong, did right, and what I need to know for the future. Thanks.

NO TRADES

Return to School: Vince Young, Brady Quinn, Ko Simpson, Ahmad Brooks, Marcus Vick, Devin Hester

1. Houston Texans – D’Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia Tech
2. San Francisco 49ers – Reggie Bush, HB, USC
3. New Orleans Saints – A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
4. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams, DE, NC State
5. Arizona Cardinals – Matt Leinart, QB, USC
6. New York Jets – Eric Winston, OT, Miami (FL)
7. Baltimore Ravens – Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
8. Tennessee Titans – Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
9. Detroit Lions – Mathais Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
10. Minnesota Vikings – DeAngelo Williams, HB, Memphis
11. Miami Dolphins – Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
12. Cleveland Browns – Jesse Mahelona, NT, Tennessee
13. Buffalo Bills – Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
14. Philadelphia Eagles – Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
15. Oakland Raiders – Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
16. St. Louis Rams – Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
17. Chicago Bears- Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
18. New England Patriots – Martin Nance, WR, Miami (OH)
19. Denver Broncos (from Was) – Darnell Bing, SS, USC
20. Kansas City Chiefs – Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
22. San Diego Chargers – Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
23. Dallas Cowboys – Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
24. Seattle Seahawks – Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
25. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
26. New York Giants – Michael Huff, FS, Texas
27. Carolina Panthers – Laurence Maroney, HB, Minnesota
28. Denver Broncos – Manny Lawson, DE, NC State
29. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
30. Pittsburgh Steelers – Lendale White, HB, USC
31. Atlanta Falcons – Laron Landry, FS, LSU
32. Indianapolis Colts – Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia

33. Houston Texans – Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
34. San Francisco 49ers – Will Blackmon, WR/CB, Boston College
35. New Orleans Saints – Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn State
36. Green Bay Packers – D’Qwell Jackson, OLB, Maryland
37. Arizona Cardinals – Davin Joseph, OG, Oklahoma
38. New York Jets – Mike DeGory, C, Florida
39. Baltimore Ravens – Jeremy Trueblood, OT, Boston College
40. Tennessee Titans – Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
41. Detroit Lions – Terna Nande, OLB, Miami (OH)
42. Minnesota Vikings – Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
43. Miami Dolphins – Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
44. Cleveland Browns – Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise State
45. Buffalo Bills – Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn
46. Philadelphia Eagles – Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue
47. Oakland Raiders – Charles Gordon, CB, Kansas
48. St. Louis Rams – Jonathan Lewis, DT, Virginia Tech
49. Chicago Bears – Darrell Hunter, CB, Miami (OH)
50. New England Patriots – Lamarr Woodley, DE/LB, Michigan
51. Washington Redskins – Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech
52. Kansas City Chiefs – Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia Tech
53. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Justin Blalock, OT, Texas
54. San Diego Chargers – Mike Hass, WR, Oregon State
55. Dallas Cowboys – Nate Salley, FS, Ohio State
56. Seattle Seahawks – Demarco Ryans, LB, Alabama
57. Jacksonville Jaguars – Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
58. New York Giants – Kelley Jennings, CB, Miami (OH)
59. Carolina Panthers – Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
60. Denver Broncos – Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
61. Cincinnati Bengals – Greg Blue, SS, Georgia
62. Pittsburgh Steelers – Jarrett Hicks, WR, Texas Tech
63. Atlanta Falcons – DeMario Minter, CB, Georgia
64. Indianapolis Colts – Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State

65. Houston Texans – Greg Threat, SS, Miami (FL)
66. San Francisco 49ers – Paul Posluzny, ILB, Penn State
67. Houston Texans (from NO) – Freddie Roach, ILB, Alabama
68. Green Bay Packers – Will Allen, OG, Texas
69. Arizona Cardinals – Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee
70. New York Jets – Michael Bush, HB, Louisville
71. New England Patriots (from Bal) – Leon Washington, HB, Florida State
72. Buffalo Bills (from Ten) – Rocky McIntosh, OLB, Miami (FL)
73. Detroit Lions – Drew Olson, QB, UCLA
74. Minnesota Vikings – Travis Leffew, OT, Louisville
75. Miami Dolphins – Andrew Whitworth, OT, LSU
76. Cleveland Browns – Kai Parham, ILB, Virginia
77. Buffalo Bills – Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville
78. Philadelphia Eagles – Rob Sims, OT, Ohio State
79. Oakland Raiders – LeKevin Smith, DT, Nebraska
80. St. Louis Rams – Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State
81. Chicago Bears – Hank Baskett, WR, New Mexico
82. New England Patriots – Anwar Phillips, CB, Penn State
83. Washington Redskins – Mark Setterstrom, OG, Minnesota
84. Kansas City Chiefs – Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
85. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chijioke Oneneygecha, CB, Oklahoma
86. San Diego Chargers – Jarrad Page, SS, UCLA
87. Dallas Cowboys – Greg Lee, WR, Pittsburgh
88. Seattle Seahawks – Mike Bell, HB, Arizona
89. Jacksonville Jaguars – Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
90. New York Giants – Steve Fifita, DT, Utah
91. Carolina Panthers – Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA
92. Denver Broncos – Larry Dibbles, DT, Texas
93. Cincinnati Bengals – Tim Day, TE, Oregon
94. Pittsburgh Steelers – George Hall, ILB, Purdue
95. Atlanta Falcons – Parys Haralson, DE, Tennessee
96. Indianapolis Colts – Clinton Solomon, WR, Iowa

WildBlackBear32
11-08-2005, 10:09 PM
I'm always open to suggestion, constructive criticism, and NFL/College News. Tell me what I did wrong, did right, and what I need to know for the future. Thanks.

NO TRADES

Return to School: Vince Young, Brady Quinn, Ko Simpson, Ahmad Brooks, Marcus Vick, Devin Hester

1. Houston Texans – D’Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia Tech
2. San Francisco 49ers – Reggie Bush, HB, USC
3. New Orleans Saints – A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
4. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams, DE, NC State
5. Arizona Cardinals – Matt Leinart, QB, USC
6. New York Jets – Eric Winston, OT, Miami (FL)
7. Baltimore Ravens – Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
8. Tennessee Titans – Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
9. Detroit Lions – Mathais Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
10. Minnesota Vikings – DeAngelo Williams, HB, Memphis
11. Miami Dolphins – Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
12. Cleveland Browns – Jesse Mahelona, NT, Tennessee
13. Buffalo Bills – Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
14. Philadelphia Eagles – Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
15. Oakland Raiders – Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
16. St. Louis Rams – Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
17. Chicago Bears- Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
18. New England Patriots – Martin Nance, WR, Miami (OH)
19. Denver Broncos (from Was) – Darnell Bing, SS, USC
20. Kansas City Chiefs – Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
22. San Diego Chargers – Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
23. Dallas Cowboys – Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
24. Seattle Seahawks – Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
25. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
26. New York Giants – Michael Huff, FS, Texas
27. Carolina Panthers – Laurence Maroney, HB, Minnesota
28. Denver Broncos – Manny Lawson, DE, NC State
29. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
30. Pittsburgh Steelers – Lendale White, HB, USC
31. Atlanta Falcons – Laron Landry, FS, LSU
32. Indianapolis Colts – Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia

33. Houston Texans – Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
34. San Francisco 49ers – Will Blackmon, WR/CB, Boston College
35. New Orleans Saints – Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn State
36. Green Bay Packers – D’Qwell Jackson, OLB, Maryland
37. Arizona Cardinals – Davin Joseph, OG, Oklahoma
38. New York Jets – Mike DeGory, C, Florida
39. Baltimore Ravens – Jeremy Trueblood, OT, Boston College
40. Tennessee Titans – Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
41. Detroit Lions – Terna Nande, OLB, Miami (OH)
42. Minnesota Vikings – Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
43. Miami Dolphins – Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
44. Cleveland Browns – Daryn Colledge, OT, Boise State
45. Buffalo Bills – Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn
46. Philadelphia Eagles – Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue
47. Oakland Raiders – Charles Gordon, CB, Kansas
48. St. Louis Rams – Jonathan Lewis, DT, Virginia Tech
49. Chicago Bears – Darrell Hunter, CB, Miami (OH)
50. New England Patriots – Lamarr Woodley, DE/LB, Michigan
51. Washington Redskins – Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech
52. Kansas City Chiefs – Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia Tech
53. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Justin Blalock, OT, Texas
54. San Diego Chargers – Mike Hass, WR, Oregon State
55. Dallas Cowboys – Nate Salley, FS, Ohio State
56. Seattle Seahawks – Demarco Ryans, LB, Alabama
57. Jacksonville Jaguars – Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
58. New York Giants – Kelley Jennings, CB, Miami (OH)
59. Carolina Panthers – Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
60. Denver Broncos – Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
61. Cincinnati Bengals – Greg Blue, SS, Georgia
62. Pittsburgh Steelers – Jarrett Hicks, WR, Texas Tech
63. Atlanta Falcons – DeMario Minter, CB, Georgia
64. Indianapolis Colts – Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State

65. Houston Texans – Greg Threat, SS, Miami (FL)
66. San Francisco 49ers – Paul Posluzny, ILB, Penn State
67. Houston Texans (from NO) – Freddie Roach, ILB, Alabama
68. Green Bay Packers – Will Allen, OG, Texas
69. Arizona Cardinals – Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee
70. New York Jets – Michael Bush, HB, Louisville
71. New England Patriots (from Bal) – Leon Washington, HB, Florida State
72. Buffalo Bills (from Ten) – Rocky McIntosh, OLB, Miami (FL)
73. Detroit Lions – Drew Olson, QB, UCLA
74. Minnesota Vikings – Travis Leffew, OT, Louisville
75. Miami Dolphins – Andrew Whitworth, OT, LSU
76. Cleveland Browns – Kai Parham, ILB, Virginia
77. Buffalo Bills – Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville
78. Philadelphia Eagles – Rob Sims, OT, Ohio State
79. Oakland Raiders – LeKevin Smith, DT, Nebraska
80. St. Louis Rams – Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State
81. Chicago Bears – Hank Baskett, WR, New Mexico
82. New England Patriots – Anwar Phillips, CB, Penn State
83. Washington Redskins – Mark Setterstrom, OG, Minnesota
84. Kansas City Chiefs – Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
85. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chijioke Oneneygecha, CB, Oklahoma
86. San Diego Chargers – Jarrad Page, SS, UCLA
87. Dallas Cowboys – Greg Lee, WR, Pittsburgh
88. Seattle Seahawks – Mike Bell, HB, Arizona
89. Jacksonville Jaguars – Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
90. New York Giants – Steve Fifita, DT, Utah
91. Carolina Panthers – Spencer Havner, OLB, UCLA
92. Denver Broncos – Larry Dibbles, DT, Texas
93. Cincinnati Bengals – Tim Day, TE, Oregon
94. Pittsburgh Steelers – George Hall, ILB, Purdue
95. Atlanta Falcons – Parys Haralson, DE, Tennessee
96. Indianapolis Colts – Clinton Solomon, WR, Iowa


Well, Going by your draft scenario, I would draft the Texans as such...

D'Brick
Davin Joseph(to play RG)
Will Allen
James Allen

YoungTexanFan
11-08-2005, 10:25 PM
Well, Going by your draft scenario, I would draft the Texans as such...

D'Brick
Davin Joseph(to play RG)
Will Allen
James Allen

so you suggest no stand out defensive players? no TE? no ILB?

if pope is taken before we pick, hold out hope for olsen from miami next year or this if he enters.

other wise i would probally ****** a brick if this draft happened.

MorKnolle
11-08-2005, 11:39 PM
I wouldn't take a TE in the second round anyways, we have bigger needs to fill with a high second round pick.

beerlover
11-08-2005, 11:45 PM
wow nice effort I like it, sure it would be easy to change a few names here and there but excellent job :thumbup

one thing alot of fans will complain about is not trading down and still drafting D'Brick, but with the no trade clause (other than existing trades from previous years) there is no sense in getting cute with the 1st pick and passing on a franchise LT no one in their right mind would harp on the Texans for doing that (unless a Bush fan).

having addressed the OL with the 1st pick does open some other options & I sure hope the Texans keep their second pick this year :crying: Davin Joseph the big Oklahoma guard would also be an excellent choice, because by the look of things both McKinney and Wiegerts days are numbered so the Texans need to reload and improve in this area now. so this would net you a 2006 line of D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT, Pitts LG, Hodgdon C, Joseph RG & Wade RT.

third round I like the idea of addressing the safety position, Coleman is also soon to be gone so I would also add the names of Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska or Darrell Brooks Arizona into the mix, both are physical good in pass & run support. the second of two 3rd picks I would like to slightly alter but along the same lines defensivly address the pass rush. we need a designated, intimadator you can get the QB and since you just happen to have one of the best in draft still on the board I say the Texans go ahead and draft DE Elvis Dumervile, Louisville. seriously I doubt he is still available but we can always dream, while not a 3-4 guy the Texans use alot of four man fronts in passing downs or different packages so he would still get several chances in the course of a game to register a sack. he has Freeney like moves, could be one of those draft day steals.

WildBlackBear32
11-08-2005, 11:49 PM
so you suggest no stand out defensive players? no TE? no ILB?

if pope is taken before we pick, hold out hope for olsen from miami next year or this if he enters.

other wise i would probally ****** a brick if this draft happened.

I think Jason Allen is a standout defensive player no?

Yes, we do need TE help. However we need offensive line help even more. Davin Joseph is a franchie type Guard in my opinion.

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2005, 08:08 AM
davin joseph would be a soild pick, and jason allen is hurt this year, he will either drop below the second or return to school.

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2005, 08:23 AM
wow nice effort I like it, sure it would be easy to change a few names here and there but excellent job :thumbup

one thing alot of fans will complain about is not trading down and still drafting D'Brick, but with the no trade clause (other than existing trades from previous years) there is no sense in getting cute with the 1st pick and passing on a franchise LT no one in their right mind would harp on the Texans for doing that (unless a Bush fan).

having addressed the OL with the 1st pick does open some other options & I sure hope the Texans keep their second pick this year :crying: Davin Joseph the big Oklahoma guard would also be an excellent choice, because by the look of things both McKinney and Wiegerts days are numbered so the Texans need to reload and improve in this area now. so this would net you a 2006 line of D'Brickashaw Ferguson LT, Pitts LG, Hodgdon C, Joseph RG & Wade RT.

third round I like the idea of addressing the safety position, Coleman is also soon to be gone so I would also add the names of Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska or Darrell Brooks Arizona into the mix, both are physical good in pass & run support. the second of two 3rd picks I would like to slightly alter but along the same lines defensivly address the pass rush. we need a designated, intimadator you can get the QB and since you just happen to have one of the best in draft still on the board I say the Texans go ahead and draft DE Elvis Dumervile, Louisville. seriously I doubt he is still available but we can always dream, while not a 3-4 guy the Texans use alot of four man fronts in passing downs or different packages so he would still get several chances in the course of a game to register a sack. he has Freeney like moves, could be one of those draft day steals.

I agree pretty much with your assesment. Dumervile is my top choice for defense, but we should be able to pick him up later because he doesnt fit a certin physical mold.

Threat is a push to me with Dwayne Slay from Tech.

The more i think about it though, we may not need a tight end because i dont feel we properly know how to utilize one. Maybe one more try for Bennie or an inexpensive FA?

beerlover
11-09-2005, 09:12 AM
once again great job with your mock draft, I can't believe you did that whole thing, I know it must of took alot of time and effort.

just a couple things.

1st Elvis Dumervil, I don't believe its realistic that he makes it to the 3rd rd.
Although he is a natural 4-3 DE on the small size for NFL he also projects to the 3-4 as a OLB. does anyone here think that he is any less explosive getting to the QB than Babin? I see no reason not to put him in the same class as Shawn Merriman and DeMarcus Ware as far as his ability to force turnovers at the line and sack the QB. He is only 6' 0" tall but built for speed, leverage and strength 255 lbs (remember Dwight Freeney 6'1" 266 lbs)
as a matter of fact they share similar profiles Well-proportioned athlete with a thick upper body and torso … Has superb open-field quickness and acceleration coming off the snap … Gets instant penetration as a pass rusher, showing proper hand technique, combined with an array of rip-and-swim moves to explosively close on the quarterback now does this sound like he would still be there in the 3rd rd. to you? I would not complain if he was mind you since the Texans have never had this type of pass rusher but it would take that 2nd rd. pick at best to aquire his services. oh yeah for all those who think he could not play LB in the NFL he was recruited by Miami to be a LB but when told he would have to redshirt his freshmen year he deceided on Louisville.

to me the TE position is more of a luxury pick with the Texans need to shore up protection for David Carr and develop a pass rush. not to mention a more physical secondary and run support. So I would also like to see if Bennie Joppru can play? then if not address it by going after the best prospect in 07-08.

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2005, 09:38 AM
once again great job with your mock draft, I can't believe you did that whole thing, I know it must of took alot of time and effort.

just a couple things.

1st Elvis Dumervil, I don't believe its realistic that he makes it to the 3rd rd.
Although he is a natural 4-3 DE on the small size for NFL he also projects to the 3-4 as a OLB. does anyone here think that he is any less explosive getting to the QB than Babin? I see no reason not to put him in the same class as Shawn Merriman and DeMarcus Ware as far as his ability to force turnovers at the line and sack the QB. He is only 6' 0" tall but built for speed, leverage and strength 255 lbs (remember Dwight Freeney 6'1" 266 lbs)
as a matter of fact they share similar profiles Well-proportioned athlete with a thick upper body and torso … Has superb open-field quickness and acceleration coming off the snap … Gets instant penetration as a pass rusher, showing proper hand technique, combined with an array of rip-and-swim moves to explosively close on the quarterback now does this sound like he would still be there in the 3rd rd. to you? I would not complain if he was mind you since the Texans have never had this type of pass rusher but it would take that 2nd rd. pick at best to aquire his services. oh yeah for all those who think he could not play LB in the NFL he was recruited by Miami to be a LB but when told he would have to redshirt his freshmen year he deceided on Louisville.

to me the TE position is more of a luxury pick with the Texans need to shore up protection for David Carr and develop a pass rush. not to mention a more physical secondary and run support. So I would also like to see if Bennie Joppru can play? then if not address it by going after the best prospect in 07-08.

I think, and i hope we will be switching to an "official" 4-3 by years end. While we lack the personel for either scheme, we have more that is suited for the 4-3 in my opinion. Babin can stay at OLB, but peek and Dumervile would be perfect ends for the 4-3. They are explosive, pass rushing beast. I agree that after the season is over, a team will take him in the second, i just hope it is us. How does the OG position look after Giles and Joseph?

beerlover
11-09-2005, 03:06 PM
I think, and i hope we will be switching to an "official" 4-3 by years end. While we lack the personel for either scheme, we have more that is suited for the 4-3 in my opinion. Babin can stay at OLB, but peek and Dumervile would be perfect ends for the 4-3. They are explosive, pass rushing beast. I agree that after the season is over, a team will take him in the second, i just hope it is us. How does the OG position look after Giles and Joseph?

man this is such a tough choice, at least this year hopefully we keep our 2nd & 3rd rd picks. I really would not complain about any of them. its a damn shame the Texans have not been building the OL since the beginning now we are left with this huge chasim that needs filling. my gut feeling is we need to use both top picks to address protection and control of the offensive line. so if I get the choice I would select Joseph he is not quite as big as Gilles but he is faster with better footwork and probably less injury prone. I would also love a serious pass rushing threat, someone who could create turnovers. so this is the silver lining in an otherwise down year for the Texans :cool:

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2005, 03:35 PM
i feel you beer, but i am still pretty sold on giles. and if we didnt need a LT and ILB i would be getting criticized for saying take dumervile in the first...(after trade downs of course) I just feel he is the real deal and a playmaker.

mexican_texan
11-09-2005, 03:50 PM
How does DeAngelo Williams go before Laurence Maroney? Packers need to move up. WAY up.

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2005, 04:01 PM
How does DeAngelo Williams go before Laurence Maroney? Packers need to move up. WAY up.

Williams and maroney are a toss up. Williams doesnt have all the stats,but projects as a better back in the pros.

the packers are at 4. that is high enough. farve will pull a few wins out.

rmartin65
11-09-2005, 04:14 PM
I like it ewxcept for the 2nd round. Carpenter would be great instead of Pope.

beerlover
11-10-2005, 10:16 AM
1st Elvis Dumervil, I don't believe its realistic that he makes it to the 3rd rd.
Although he is a natural 4-3 DE on the small size for NFL he also projects to the 3-4 as a OLB. does anyone here think that he is any less explosive getting to the QB than Babin? I see no reason not to put him in the same class as Shawn Merriman and DeMarcus Ware as far as his ability to force turnovers at the line and sack the QB. He is only 6' 0" tall but built for speed, leverage and strength 255 lbs (remember Dwight Freeney 6'1" 266 lbs)
as a matter of fact they share similar profiles Well-proportioned athlete with a thick upper body and torso … Has superb open-field quickness and acceleration coming off the snap … Gets instant penetration as a pass rusher, showing proper hand technique, combined with an array of rip-and-swim moves to explosively close on the quarterback


I just read a brand new assesment (Drew Boylhart, The Huddle Report) of Elvis Dummervil and I was surprised how closely it related to my own, but I'm not sure I would go this far- "He is stronger and much more technically mature than Dwight Freeney was when he was the 11th pick of the 2002 draft!"

YoungTexanFan
11-10-2005, 10:55 AM
I just read a brand new assesment (Drew Boylhart, The Huddle Report) of Elvis Dummervil and I was surprised how closely it related to my own, but I'm not sure I would go this far- "He is stronger and much more technically mature than Dwight Freeney was when he was the 11th pick of the 2002 draft!"

I wouldnt go that far. He is producing more, but is not more technically mature. I still believe he will be in the same mold as freeny and DESERVES a second round pick, but should slide to the third.

jaayteetx
11-10-2005, 11:33 AM
How do you guys keep track of all these players in college? I love football and all, but that seems like a full time job.

D-ReK
11-10-2005, 12:21 PM
1. Houston Texans – D’Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia Tech
2. San Francisco 49ers – Reggie Bush, HB, USC
3. New Orleans Saints – A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
4. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams, DE, NC State
5. Arizona Cardinals – Matt Leinart, QB, USC
6. New York Jets – Eric Winston, OT, Miami (FL)
7. Baltimore Ravens – Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
8. Tennessee Titans – Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
9. Detroit Lions – Mathais Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
10. Minnesota Vikings – DeAngelo Williams, HB, Memphis
11. Miami Dolphins – Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
12. Cleveland Browns – Jesse Mahelona, NT, Tennessee
13. Buffalo Bills – Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
14. Philadelphia Eagles – Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
15. Oakland Raiders – Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
16. St. Louis Rams – Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
17. Chicago Bears- Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
18. New England Patriots – Martin Nance, WR, Miami (OH)
19. Denver Broncos (from Was) – Darnell Bing, SS, USC
20. Kansas City Chiefs – Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
22. San Diego Chargers – Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
23. Dallas Cowboys – Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
24. Seattle Seahawks – Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
25. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
26. New York Giants – Michael Huff, FS, Texas
27. Carolina Panthers – Laurence Maroney, HB, Minnesota
28. Denver Broncos – Manny Lawson, DE, NC State
29. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
30. Pittsburgh Steelers – Lendale White, HB, USC
31. Atlanta Falcons – Laron Landry, FS, LSU
32. Indianapolis Colts – Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia

33. Houston Texans – Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia

65. Houston Texans – Greg Threat, SS, Miami (FL)

67. Houston Texans (from NO) – Freddie Roach, ILB, Alabama

I'm only going to focus on your 1st round and Texan picks since I'm running a little short on time...

As good as D'Brick may be, I don't see 1st overall pick material when I look at him...I'd rather trade down with a team like Green Bay, who would want to move up to get Reggie Bush...We could then still get Brick with the 4th pick and have extra picks to play around with...Oh, and Brick plays for Va not Va Tech...

Hawk will not go 3rd overall...He is on the same level as Derrick Johnson, but Johnson fell to 15...Since 1997, there has been exactly 1 LB taken in the top 5 (Lavar Arrington, 2000)...The Saints obviously need LB help, but they could trade down and get it...

Winston hasn't shown me enough to warrant being a top 10 pick...Let's face it, if Winston is the 6th overall pick, then Kamerion Wimbley needs to be the 1st overall pick, since he completely owned Winston...

The rest of your first is pretty solid, I guess, though I doubt Lendale White comes out after this year...

As for your Texan picks, I like Brick, Pope, and Roach, but I'm not too high on Threat...If my make believe trade down were to occur, we could take Brick, Pope, Davin Joseph, Roach, Jason Allen, and Dumervil...Definitely a nice start to the future of this franchise, IMO...

royce1054
11-10-2005, 08:00 PM
well another thing to look at is who is on the last year of their contract. I am about 99.999% sure we are going O-line with our 1st pick. I do think we need a TE, LB and S. I like Wade,Weigert,Hodgdon,Pitts i think finding that 5th will ceal our starting O-line. I do however think we should spend a 3rd or a 4th on a good backup O-line. I think with Mathis i think we can let Bradford go and be good at WR. Carr will be better with an o-line infront of him. We do need a TE like i said. I am not sure about DL because i am not sure if any of their contracts are up but depth is good. LB we need a good SLB just incase Babin doesnt fit. I think we need a CB because Buchannon isnt cutting it. I do think we need a FS to groom for Coleman's replacement.

YoungTexanFan
11-10-2005, 08:51 PM
well another thing to look at is who is on the last year of their contract. I am about 99.999% sure we are going O-line with our 1st pick. I do think we need a TE, LB and S. I like Wade,Weigert,Hodgdon,Pitts i think finding that 5th will ceal our starting O-line. I do however think we should spend a 3rd or a 4th on a good backup O-line. I think with Mathis i think we can let Bradford go and be good at WR. Carr will be better with an o-line infront of him. We do need a TE like i said. I am not sure about DL because i am not sure if any of their contracts are up but depth is good. LB we need a good SLB just incase Babin doesnt fit. I think we need a CB because Buchannon isnt cutting it. I do think we need a FS to groom for Coleman's replacement.

buchannon has been one of our more soild defensive players as of late. He is worth keeping, you wont be able to replace him through the draft imediatly.

We dont need FS to groom as a replacment, we need someone to take over. Colmen is done. Enter Dwayne Slay...(que loud trupets to the charge song)

threetoedpete
11-10-2005, 10:53 PM
wow nice effort I like it, sure it would be easy to change a few names here and there but excellent job :thumbup
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What has me giddy is do we gamble, Can we have a Hawk and a OLT too. Or am I being greedy ? Inquiring minds want to know ? The only thing that gets me excited about Bush, is the prospect of a bidding war for the Texan's pick.

Very nice Mock

YoungTexanFan
11-12-2005, 10:58 PM
What has me giddy is do we gamble, Can we have a Hawk and a OLT too. Or am I being greedy ? Inquiring minds want to know ? The only thing that gets me excited about Bush, is the prospect of a bidding war for the Texan's pick.

Very nice Mock

you can gamble, but there should only be one elite LT (D'brick), and one possible elite LT (winston). all other tackles are average to slightly above average.

joe thomas should stay. hawk would be nice if we didnt have other glaring needs. LB's can be found in the 2nd and 3rd: Hodge, Dumervile, Thomas Howard...

swtbound07
11-13-2005, 03:06 AM
no way ernie sims drops to 64.....he is a top 20 player.....when is the last time you saw a first round of a draft without a seminole in it???? exactly

WildBlackBear32
11-13-2005, 09:48 AM
no way ernie sims drops to 64.....he is a top 20 player.....when is the last time you saw a first round of a draft without a seminole in it???? exactly

2004 to be exact. 2003 didnt have one either.

swtbound07
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
alex barron was a seminole...he went in the first round ifn i recall correctly....wanna try again?

rmartin65
11-13-2005, 05:28 PM
2004 not 2005.

WildBlackBear32
11-13-2005, 06:31 PM
alex barron was a seminole...he went in the first round ifn i recall correctly....wanna try again?


Why would I try again when I am right?

TexansCanes
11-13-2005, 11:56 PM
i don't know if it would be worth while to trade down, no one has two first rounders that we would want or even two first rounders period not sure if i overlooked some one. this draft is very deep in the positions that we are looking for very good o-line and linebacker depth. i would like to move down and get an extra second and third rounder and then (you guys probably won't like this) trade up if neccesary to get Max Jean-Giles in my opinion the best lineman in the country but won't go high because he is a guard. A.J. Hawk could go very high after he runs his 40 and it wouldn't suprise me if he did go top 5 because he won't have the same tag as DJ did of not taking on tackles. Pope is good but i think this is a very good stretch of college te such as miller from asu, olsen from miami, byrd from usc, king from va tech and day from oregon including the other ones every one knows of. ernie sims in the late second might be the steal of the draft, the guy is scary fast and can lay the wood, little undersized but that hasn't stopped jon vilma from making plays. If he does leave early and go that low he will have made the worst career decision since Lincoln picked up his tickets at the boxoffice. Ernie has all the talent and their is no reason why he shoudn't be the first LB. I think a guy that we should take a good look at would be Bobby Carpenter. he is big, 6-3 255 and fast, ran a sub 4.5 40 at OSU pro day last year. He is a perfect olb for us since he has a lot of experience puting a hand down and rushing the passer. good mock this far from the draft.

swtbound07
11-14-2005, 02:48 AM
2004 to be exact. 2003 didnt have one either.

i took that post to mean you were saying there wasnt a seminole drafted in the first round of 2004. your right....i was thinking of the past draft as the draft of 04 for some reason....my apologies

Texan in Japan
11-14-2005, 06:26 AM
I like it ewxcept for the 2nd round. Carpenter would be great instead of Pope.

Ditto! I like Bobby's size and talent, plus he's Rob's son.

TexansCanes
11-15-2005, 02:57 PM
Also don't see Posluszy falling to the third. If anything I think he will stay for his senior year. Also, Jason Allen is a senior so a return won't be possible. It is funny how much Dummervil and Frenny are alike, both undersized sack leaders from the big east. I don't think he fits our system unless we plan on him blitzing every play. I don't know how good he is in coverage but you don't want to waste a guy that is that good at the pass rush.

rmartin65
11-15-2005, 06:26 PM
If Dumerville is picked it means the Texans are switching to a 4-3.

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 08:09 PM
Also don't see Posluszy falling to the third. If anything I think he will stay for his senior year. Also, Jason Allen is a senior so a return won't be possible. It is funny how much Dummervil and Frenny are alike, both undersized sack leaders from the big east. I don't think he fits our system unless we plan on him blitzing every play. I don't know how good he is in coverage but you don't want to waste a guy that is that good at the pass rush.

No one will object to that. We need to create pressure, and he does that and more.

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2005, 08:10 PM
If Dumerville is picked it means the Texans are switching to a 4-3.


Praise God!

we'll finally be playing people in their natural positions.

My new motto:

Talent gets to the ball before size.

infantrycak
11-15-2005, 08:21 PM
If Dumerville is picked it means the Texans are switching to a 4-3.

Because Freeney would suck in place of Peek.

Coach C.
11-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Infantry is that sarcasm, because Freeney I think is an athlete who could play standing up or in the 3point. I also think Dumerville is about as big as Babin and likely about the same speed. Hopefully he has more moves, but who knows if we get a guy like that. Hell people there are 7 weeks left in the season plus playoffs