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uhcougar08
11-08-2005, 04:17 PM
After watching this team against Tenn, Jax, and the Browns, is there any reason why we can't pull out 4 wins to end the season? I actually think this is possible. Any thoughts?

U4ikrob
11-08-2005, 04:20 PM
I think we will pull out 2 of the 4 last games. SF and Arizona arethe ones I pick us winning and losing to Tennesee and the Jags again.

Hervoyel
11-08-2005, 04:24 PM
Ending the season with four straight wins could possibly give the Capers regime new life, hence I cannot hope for this to happen. It is possible but I think it highly unlikely. The Texans can lose all four just as easily as they can win them.

uhcougar08
11-08-2005, 04:25 PM
Here are some ways this can become possible:

1. get Mathis back on the field.
2. Keep Pitts at LT, no matter what.
3. Keep fighting on the sidelines, when that stops, the season is over.
4. get Dre the ball, it worked against Jax.
5. Last, those teams aren't really that much better than we are anyways.

uhcougar08
11-08-2005, 04:28 PM
Ending the season with four straight wins could possibly give the Capers regime new life, hence I cannot hope for this to happen.

You are not a true fan if you want them to lose, you should be ashamed of yourself. I am not in complete compliance with what Dom does, but if he can start winning, maybe he has found out what works here, just maybe. But, don't you dare suggest they should lose, are you really a jacksonville fan?

MorKnolle
11-08-2005, 04:33 PM
I see us beating Arizona and San Fran for sure, and St. Louis, Baltimore, and Tennessee are definitely winnable, and then Kansas City and Jacksonville could happen but those will be tough, and I don't see us beating the Colts this weekend. I expect 5-11 by the end of the year, possibly 6-10.

OzzO
11-08-2005, 04:55 PM
I think 3 wins is attainable (SF, 'zona) everything else is just gravy.....

.... dang that's pathetic.

Texans Horror
11-08-2005, 05:54 PM
6-10. They get to play a lot of overrated NFC teams, so I don't think all hope is lost. They could win their last four, but I have a feeling it won't be that way. They will get lucky against St. Louis or KC. They have other good chances at Balty and the Windy Bears. Hosting the Jags, they will take them. Tenn they will take. But they won't beat Arizona and San Fran. They might beat one of them, but not both. The Texans won't be up for it. Remember how the last season ended?

nunusguy
11-08-2005, 06:05 PM
I am not in complete compliance with what Dom does, but if he can start winning, maybe he has found out what works here, just maybe.
Capers appears to have used the first 2 months of the regular season as
an extension of pre-season. He is supposed to have "found out what works"
and had that up and running when we met Buffalo in the season opener
back at the begging of Sept, not sometime in Nov. He needs to be out of
here and we need to be drafting as much talent as possible next April. If
the cost of achieving those goals is the worst record in the NFL this year,
I say so be it.

Texans Horror
11-08-2005, 06:15 PM
Unless we win the last eight games and have our first playoff victory this year, Capers is gone. There is too much dissention in the ranks. :tomato: But next year (cause there's always next year), we will get a coach who is gonna pull a Parcells and take us to the playoffs. (That prediction might be a little too early.) :)

Hervoyel
11-08-2005, 06:41 PM
You are not a true fan if you want them to lose, you should be ashamed of yourself. I am not in complete compliance with what Dom does, but if he can start winning, maybe he has found out what works here, just maybe. But, don't you dare suggest they should lose, are you really a jacksonville fan?

1. You have no idea what kind of fan I am so your definition of what makes a "true fan" doesn't concern me.

2. It's probably as relevant as your definition of Dom "finding out what works" if he can start winning at the end of the year. I already know that is hogwash because if you think that beating four lousy (but nicely scheduled) teams at the end of the year means we turned some kind of corner then you have no idea what you're looking at. Being able to beat 3-4 win teams (and only 3-4 win teams) isn't my idea of a franchise going in the right direction. Hopefully it's not Bob McNair's idea of one either. Clues are over there in the box marked "clues". Go get one.

3. I'm not suggesting that they should lose or that they intentionally lose. I'm saying that if four wins against terrible opponents means Dom Capers coaches us in 2006 then those wins are counterproductive in the grand scheme of things. If the Texans do manage to beat those four teams then I would hope that Bob McNair would be bright enough to see them for what they were and still do the right thing and send Capers packing. Somewhere there's a defensive coordinator position that needs him.

4. Jacksonville fan? That's not even worthy of a reply.

utahmark
11-08-2005, 07:08 PM
You are not a true fan if you want them to lose, you should be ashamed of yourself. I am not in complete compliance with what Dom does, but if he can start winning, maybe he has found out what works here, just maybe. But, don't you dare suggest they should lose, are you really a jacksonville fan?

the guy has over 2000 post's. he must care a little bit.

the wonger need food
11-08-2005, 07:16 PM
Wins gain this organization nothing at this point, all respect has been lost. It's time to see what the rookies and backups are made of. We need to root for teams like the Jets and Pack and all of the other teams that are almost as cruddy as Houston's Expansion Franchise. Nothing less than a new management team and the first selection in next year's draft is acceptable.

2006 will be the year!

HomeBred_Texan
11-08-2005, 07:23 PM
You are not a true fan if you want them to lose, you should be ashamed of yourself. I am not in complete compliance with what Dom does, but if he can start winning, maybe he has found out what works here, just maybe. But, don't you dare suggest they should lose, are you really a jacksonville fan?
Well I am a die hard Texan fan and I want us to lose every game this season. The more we lose this year, the better we will be next year with draft picks and a Caper'less team.... So don't get down on us true blue fans that still want us to lose so we can gain...

profan
11-08-2005, 09:36 PM
Big wow, four wins when your already out of playoff contention. This does not not get me real fired up. These will be some real exciting games when we play arizona, 49er's, etc.. None of these games will really matter except for draft position. Year 4 we should be playing meaningful games in december. I will cheer for them and hope they win every game as always, but the fact is this fan is really down.

Double Barrel
11-08-2005, 10:32 PM
We're 1-7 right now, so flip it and we're 2-14.

But the team has been playing better the past couple of games, so we might be able to pull 2-3 more wins out of the hat.

5-11 team is still sad, especially since we've improved the first three years. But it's better than 0-16, I suppose.

uhcougar08
11-09-2005, 02:39 PM
the guy has over 2000 post's. he must care a little bit.
Just because I don't spend all my freaking time on here, doesn't mean i don't know what Im talking about, and that someone who is always on here is always right. I am a huge President Bush fan, even though I don't believe everything he does or says is right. This franchise started off on the wrong foot. Losing our first pick in the expansion draft killed us. We had all these older(experienced) players on the team when we started and now they are slowing down and moving on. So, they got younger and are starting to build something here, so if this so called offesive line can make a little something happen, maybe they can head in the right direction. By the way, just because I have like 4 post doesn't mean I have no clue what Im talking about, because I have alot of things I think are messed up with this team.

uhcougar08
11-09-2005, 02:46 PM
After watching this team against Tenn, Jax, and the Browns, is there any reason why we can't pull out 4 wins to end the season? I actually think this is possible. Any thoughts?

By the way, the question wasn't "Is everybody rooting against the Texans to win?", it was "can we win the last 4 games we play?"

I don't care who you are, and you need to take a serious look in the mirror, if you think something good comes out of losing games, if that is the case, you don't even get why people compete.

And yes, you are not a Texans fan if you hope the Texans lose, because fans of a team never root for another team to beat ours.:texflag:

Texans Horror
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
It's "wins or losses." Not loses or looses.

Hervoyel
11-09-2005, 04:00 PM
Just because I don't spend all my freaking time on here, doesn't mean i don't know what Im talking about, and that someone who is always on here is always right. I am a huge President Bush fan, even though I don't believe everything he does or says is right. This franchise started off on the wrong foot. Losing our first pick in the expansion draft killed us. We had all these older(experienced) players on the team when we started and now they are slowing down and moving on. So, they got younger and are starting to build something here, so if this so called offesive line can make a little something happen, maybe they can head in the right direction. By the way, just because I have like 4 post doesn't mean I have no clue what Im talking about, because I have alot of things I think are messed up with this team.

True. 2,000 posts just means that I've been here a long time. Jerry Jones could sign up today, step into the draft forum and post a comment but would that mean that I know more than he does because he only had 1 post? Well, ok in that case yes, I'd say that it probably would be what it meant but really, who doesn't know more than Jerry Jones about football? The point still stands.

I don't spend all of my freakin time on here though. I just post a lot when I am in here. That and I'd also like to point out that I'm still a good 1,000 posts behind most of the other mods.

I think that the Texans could win the last four games. I would simply hope that Bob McNair was smart enough to see what the circumstances were when the offseason got here and decision making time about the current staff came.

rmartin65
11-09-2005, 04:12 PM
4 wins is possible, with limited injuries.

Buffi2
11-09-2005, 04:35 PM
2 wins are probable. 4 wins? A possible maybe with any luck, a few key injuries to the opposing teams and our key players stay healthy. Unless the coaching staff is overcome with the flu and we have to find temporary coaching replacements - then we could win 4. We could have a few folks on this board coach and it would probably be a vast improvement over what we have now.

HoustonFan
11-09-2005, 05:50 PM
I'm gonna stick w/ my "Any Given Sunday" cliche. They'll probably finish w/ season 2's record of 5-11. W/ wins coming from the Jags, Titans, 49ers, & Cardinals.

TxDavid
11-09-2005, 05:53 PM
I feel sorry for the browns if we don't win another game this season.....

rittenhouserobz
11-10-2005, 06:04 AM
The only game I see the Texans being in at the end of the year when Arizona comes here. Could you imagine the mindset of the Texans players when the last game rolls around and they have to fly to the west coast with say a 2-13 or 1-14 record. What would they have to prove at this point? Beating a bad team on the road. These guys will already have their vacations planned and flights booked to various destinations. The only question is will the vacation start early. I believe they will mail that one game in. I geuss I have watched some Oiler teams at the end of the year and they weren't always pretty.

That said David Carr wants a real man gaurding his back side when passing. I don't think in the grand scheme of things a win against SF is going to get in his way of getting a franchise LT. He was supposed to have Boselli, then Pitts, then Wand, now Pitts again.

Texans Horror
11-10-2005, 07:48 AM
I completely agree with you. I remember how well we played the Browns in the final game of last season. San Fran will still be trying to prove something, but the way the coaches and players are reacting to each other now, I can't believe they won't already be in post-season mode.

uhcougar08
11-10-2005, 09:49 AM
He was supposed to have Boselli, then Pitts, then Wand, now Pitts again.

By watching Pitts over the last three games, he has held his own with everyone, including Freeney, which suprised me alot. It takes some of these lineman a few years to get adjusted from the college game to the pros. I think he will suprise and do a pretty good job the rest of the season. If he kicks his tail kicked by dwight freeney on sunday, I will be the first guy back on this post to say I was wrong. Lets wait and see.......

HomeBred_Texan
11-10-2005, 10:08 AM
By watching Pitts over the last three games, he has held his own with everyone, including Freeney, which suprised me alot. It takes some of these lineman a few years to get adjusted from the college game to the pros. I think he will suprise and do a pretty good job the rest of the season. If he kicks his tail kicked by dwight freeney on sunday, I will be the first guy back on this post to say I was wrong. Lets wait and see.......
Personally, I think the OL is coming togeather more and more.
And next year, they will be even better, especially with a stud at running back like Reggie Bush. I think he will take the heat off the power rush up the middle and left side and this will once again open up the offense.

Also consider the possibilty that we have 2 top 2nd round draft picks that could be packaged togeather to move up high in the 1st round that would allow us to have Bush and a stud at LT... or another top WR to compliment AJ.

Texans Horror
11-10-2005, 10:14 AM
Personally, I think the OL is coming togeather more and more.
And next year, they will be even better, especially with a stud at running back like Reggie Bush. I think he will take the heat off the power rush up the middle and left side and this will once again open up the offense.

Also consider the possibilty that we have 2 top 2nd round draft picks that could be packaged togeather to move up high in the 1st round that would allow us to have Bush and a stud at LT... or another top WR to compliment AJ.

The Texans line is eternally coming together, and always a "next season" line. In the meantime, Carr is getting killed and we can't score more than two touchdowns cause the line can't block. I don't think anything but new coaching and new linemen will change that.

Runner
11-10-2005, 10:19 AM
Personally, I think the OL is coming togeather more and more.


While that is true (pre-injuries) compared to the beginning of this year when we were on pace to record well over 100 sacks (far too many of which were unquestionably the fault of the o-line), I don't think the o-line has yet approached even the level they were last year. We run for fewer yards, we pass for fewer yards, we give up more sacks, etc. While not every offensive problem is the line's fault, they aren't better than last year either.

uhcougar08
11-10-2005, 10:21 AM
The Texans line is eternally coming together, and always a "next season" line. In the meantime, Carr is getting killed and we can't score more than two touchdowns cause the line can't block. I don't think anything but new coaching and new linemen will change that.

When Pitts is in there, it gives DC more time, but he seems to be scared back there and makes some quick decisions that are wrong instead of trusting his line more. But, I dont blame Carr for looking like crap lately, I would too if i was sacked 5,000 times. If he gives a little trust to Pitts, I think he can get more comfortable from his blind side and make something happen for the rest of the season.

Winning is possible here. And Yes, I like Kool-aid.

uhcougar08
11-10-2005, 10:23 AM
While that is true (pre-injuries) compared to the beginning of this year when we were on pace to record well over 100 sacks (far too many of which were unquestionably the fault of the o-line), I don't think the o-line has yet approached even the level they were last year. We run for fewer yards, we pass for fewer yards, we give up more sacks, etc. While not every offensive problem is the line's fault, they aren't better than last year either.

You do know that we have alot of injuries, heck, we only had 5 OL in the second half of the last game, and most of those guys are 2nd string on any other team.

Double Barrel
11-10-2005, 10:31 AM
Winning is possible here. And Yes, I like Kool-aid.

Anything is possible, but many things are not probable. :cool:

For instance, it is possible that the Texans go 9-7, clinch a wildcard spot through other teams losing, win three playoff games and end up in the Superbowl. This is a possible scenario.

However, it is highly improbable.

:goodnight

Runner
11-10-2005, 10:38 AM
You do know that we have alot of injuries, heck, we only had 5 OL in the second half of the last game, and most of those guys are 2nd string on any other team.


Yes I do know that - that is what the "pre-injuries" parenthetical statement was supposed to indicate. I was therefore comparing our progress up until the injuries took over. In other words, I wasn't even considering anything past the point of Hodgdon going down, just the previous games before that.

Weigert and to a lesser extenet Wade also suffered injuries last year. Weigert missed a few games.

Hervoyel
11-10-2005, 10:39 AM
Personally, I think the OL is coming togeather more and more.
And next year, they will be even better, especially with a stud at running back like Reggie Bush.......

....who will be playing for someone else since the Houston Texans will be trading down from their #1 overall draft spot to select a dominating LT in the first round.

Bet you a dollar that Reggie Bush doesn't come to Houston unless we play his new team in 2006.

Texans Horror
11-10-2005, 10:46 AM
BTW - I say go with a LT because it is an upgrade of the line. I really don't think we need to upgrade the LT position. We need a good center. Whether we draft or trade or free agent it, I think that is the weak position that can be patched this offseason.

eriadoc
11-10-2005, 10:58 AM
Call me cynical, but I think if there's any advantage whatsoever to being as bad as we are, the Texans will find a way to remove that advantage. I see us going 4-12 or 5-11 and drafting just far enough down that we miss out on all the truly stellar prospects.

rittenhouserobz
11-11-2005, 08:04 AM
BTW - I say go with a LT because it is an upgrade of the line. I really don't think we need to upgrade the LT position. We need a good center. Whether we draft or trade or free agent it, I think that is the weak position that can be patched this offseason.

A center can be found in FA. Good LT's are hoarded by teams. I think we draft a LT and move Pitts to either RT or LG. Depending on what we do with Wade.

Anyway the last four games I will watch and see.

Texans Horror
11-11-2005, 09:03 AM
A center can be found in FA. Good LT's are hoarded by teams. I think we draft a LT and move Pitts to either RT or LG. Depending on what we do with Wade.

Anyway the last four games I will watch and see.

So let's say we draft a LT, keep Pitts at Guard, and free-agent a Center. That still leaves us with a pretty weak right side. I've been pondering the idea of moving Wand to RT, Wade at RG.

uhcougar08
11-11-2005, 01:11 PM
So let's say we draft a LT, keep Pitts at Guard, and free-agent a Center. That still leaves us with a pretty weak right side. I've been pondering the idea of moving Wand to RT, Wade at RG.

I prefer to keep Pitts at LT next year, draft a OT and put him at RT till he adjust to the NFL, and also draft a Guard, then play with that.
Whether we win the last four or not, I think there is sufficient enough talent at the OL position in this coming draft to build with.

HomeBred_Texan
11-11-2005, 02:24 PM
I prefer to keep Pitts at LT next year, draft a OT and put him at RT till he adjust to the NFL, and also draft a Guard, then play with that.

As long as we dont use the first pick for them. That should be reserved for Reggie Bush and no one else. They use the 2nd round and both 3rd rounders on linemen if necessary, but somewhere they need a high quality TE...

Texans Horror
11-11-2005, 02:41 PM
It's the big question in the draft. Do you plug your holes, or do you go for the best talent? Drafting Bush would signify that we are looking at talent alone at the risk of not plugging our holes (offensive line, tight end, safety). IMO, they should plug these. Having Bush would be great, but he doesn't fill our voids.

HomeBred_Texan
11-11-2005, 02:50 PM
It's the big question in the draft. Do you plug your holes, or do you go for the best talent? Drafting Bush would signify that we are looking at talent alone at the risk of not plugging our holes (offensive line, tight end, safety). IMO, they should plug these. Having Bush would be great, but he doesn't fill our voids.
How can you say he doesnt fill our voids? That is totally wrong, IMHO. We need a high caliber running back and with the draft so deep in quality linemen, we can pick em up in the later rounds. OUR linemen are coming togeather slowly but surely. If they stay togeather for 3 years they may be one of the best in the leauge, they are certainly the highest paid....
But you don't ever pass on talent like Bush. That would be ignorant....:fishing:

Texans Horror
11-11-2005, 03:08 PM
How can you say he doesnt fill our voids? That is totally wrong, IMHO. We need a high caliber running back and with the draft so deep in quality linemen, we can pick em up in the later rounds. OUR linemen are coming togeather slowly but surely. If they stay togeather for 3 years they may be one of the best in the leauge, they are certainly the highest paid....
But you don't ever pass on talent like Bush. That would be ignorant....:fishing:

The role of 1000-yd rusher has already been taken by DD. Look, I have posted before that I don't think DD is the be all, end all answer to the RB equation. And I will admit to having thought before that having Reggie in our lineup would be really awesome. I hate to say it, but DD is our best offensive weapon. He would play well just about anywhere. IMO, if we have a position that is filled, that would be running back. But since day 1 our problem has been the line, and nothing has every been done to fix that problem that has worked successfully. If you could get Bush and Ferguson/Winston in the same draft, then I would say go for it. But if it came down to one or the other, I'd say go with the linesman.

Also, I completely disagree with you that the line is coming together. It is falling apart. They are bringing back Riley. They are moving Brown again. I will let somebody else provide the stats, but I know the line is worse than last year, and I am pretty sure it is probably the worst we've ever had, with maybe the exception of our first year. This is a problem. It is getting worse. It has to be addressed.

What I would have liked to have seen is a few of these teams like Miami and Kansas City who have two high calibre backs lining up. How does this affect the game? Unfortunately, UT is not cooperating. Priest is out, and Ricky is, well, Ricky. How would having Bush and DD lining up in the backfield affected our passing game? I guess we'll have to wait till next year to find out...