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infantrycak
11-07-2005, 06:22 PM
Well here is my break down of the passing game for this week. Tried to add a conclusion on positive play or whose fault for negative play. There is no way to assign fault to receivers because generally can’t see them. Times are in 1 second increments off the game clock. Comments on OL play on positive plays are provided for judging whether additional time available if needed. If the WR or TE number is even, they are split even unless noted otherwise.

1st QTR

14:18 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr checks Bradford left then 14:15 throws to Wells to the R. Protection good. Positive play—defined as successful for one of the designed options.

8:51 2nd & 7 4 WR. 5 step drop—8:49 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 1st down. Wade is saved by Wells after being beat inside. As ball is released, Brown is on the ground at LOS and Stroud is at Carr’s feet. Hodg and McKinney double Henderson well. Pitts solo handles RDE. Positive play.

7:17 2nd & 10 (after Brown false start) 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—7:15 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 8. RDE pushing both Pitts and McKinney into Carr as ball is thrown. Positive play.

6:35 3rd & 2 3 WR (2 R and then Gaff motion L to R), TE-R. 3 step drop—6:34 Carr overthrows Gaff at left sideline. Predominant fault Carr.

:37 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop--:36 ball intended for Morency who has released thru DL about 2 yds is knocked down by Stroud. Carr’s delivery not pronounced sidearm—basically good play Stroud. Pitts, McKinney & Hodg do a very good job. Wade & Brown both getting bull rushed into Carr’s face. Predominant fault Brown.

2nd QTR

15:00 3rd & 8 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. 14:57 Carr, after what appears to be two prior reads, dumps to Wells for 1st down. Pitts dominates RDE solo. Rest of DL is driven to the right. Good protection. Positive play.

14:18 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll right—14:16 out to AJ for 1st down. Only receiver on that side of the field, obvious 1st read. Positive play.

13:50 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll right. Bruener tries to seal LDE but slips off so releases as receiving option. LDE is then in instant pursuit of Carr. Carr jukes him and gains 2. Predominant fault Bruener.

13:09 2nd & 8 4 WR-3 L. 3 step drop—13:07 ball out to AJ left for 1st down. Wade is on ground at release. Brown and Stroud just looking at each other. Pitts pounds RDE into McKinney. Henderson stunting around end unaccounted for. Positive play.

11:13 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R (Bradford then motions so all 3 R), TE-L. 5 step drop—Carr looks right, pumps, then 11:11 dumps to Morency for -1 yds. Wade is slow off the the snap and recovers by getting away with a blatant hold around the neck of the LDE.

10:30 3rd & 9 4 WR. 5 step drop—10:28 ball out to Bradford right sideline for TD. Positive play.

8:03 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—after checking left side of field Carr dumps to Wells at 8:01 for 5 yds. This time right side of OL does well with Bruener handling LDE & Brown on Stroud. McKinney and Pitts double up. As ball is thrown, Hodg and Henderson are falling into Carr’s feet. Positive play.

6:51 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr checking R when LB comes between Brown & Hodg (Hodg is making a noble effort of laying on the ground trying to grab his foot in passing) unimpeded so Carr dumps to Morency at 6:49 who drops ball. Predominant fault—Brown & Hodg.

[In between passing plays Hodg is hurt. At this point Carr was 9 of 13 for 104 yds, 1 TD and 0 sacks]

6:47 2nd & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 3 step drop—Carr loses ball attempting to stop passing motion at 6:46. Brown whiffs on Stroud who then rag dolls Wells. No clear fault—Carr lost ball, but would have been whacked if held onto it—Carr 50%/Brown 50%.

6:39 3rd & 10 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. 2 seconds Carr is sacked. 4 steps back from shotgun. Wand is following RDE straight to that spot. Morency gets fun over by Wand backing up (how do you not see a 330lb butt coming at you?) and is therefore off balance and so doesn’t slow down blitzing LB between Wand and Pitts. Pitts gives Henderson nothing. Brown and Wade are both abused. Carr tries to move forward to give Wand room but is hit from left by LB and right by Wade’s LDE. Predominate fault OL with a contributing effort by RB.

3:00 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks right, pumps. Wand, Pitts, McKinney have Henderson and RDE very well. Brown and Wade both look solid for 2 seconds and then as if on prearranged cue release Stroud and LDE to Carr. Wells has released thru the line to right side. Carr--slides just shy of LOS for sack as safety comes up. Carr is predominately responsible for it being recorded as a sack, but OL is predominately responsible for it being a failed play (-1 yds vs. 0 yds on play made zero difference in game—failed play could have made a difference).

2:21 3rd & 10 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. 2:20 ball out incomplete to Bradford left side. Looks like Carr either threw the ball away or expected Bradford cutting harder because if ball is thrown directly to where Bradford actually is it is an almost sure INT—welcome other interpretations. Brown and Wells handle stunting Stroud and LDE. Morency looks like he steps out of the way of a stunting Henderson. Wand way slow to pick up LB blitz. Predominate fault Carr/Bradford.

3rd QTR
12:44 1st & 10 4 WR. 3 step drop—12:43 ball out to Bradford on right sideline for 9 yds. Positive play.

11:26 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looking at left half of field and then dumps to Wells in left flat at 11:24. Rivers and Wade can’t handle LDE—fumble the exchange. Positive play.

10:47 2nd & 6 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr isn’t finished with drop before protection has blown up. Wand actually holds firm solo. Wells picks up safety. Brown is abused—lets Stroud get to Carr’s drop spot and then yanks his arm out of the socket to put him on the ground (yes draws flag). Carr steps up to avoid Stroud buy Henderson is able to move inside Pitts and McKinney and pocket is gone. Carr moves right and is sacked by RDE who has come around back of DL after having been stood up by Wand. Carr should have thrown ball away but if had, holding penalty would have been accepted (2nd & 16 vs. 3rd & 11). Predominant failure of play on OL—Carr at fault for sack in stats by not throwing ball away.

10:19 3rd & 11 4 WR. 5 step drop—Wand allows RDE to meet LB blitzer who gets by whiffing Wells at Carr’s drop spot. Carr has nowhere to step into because Brown has let Stroud straight thru. Sack and fumble. Predominant fault OL.

8:03 2nd & 8 3 WR-2L, TE-R. Play fake—8:01 ball out to Bradford left sideline 1st down. Pass protection good but in part because blitz LB and RDE trip each other in front of Wand and Morency. Positive play.

7:38 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—7:36 left sideline pass to Bradford for 7. Wand is beat on inside move—on ground at release so Carr’s time was up. Positive play.

6:37 3rd & 1 3 WR (wide L, slot R and motion R, TE-R). Play fake, designed roll right—6:35 ball out to Gaff for 1st down. Rivers provides almost no impediment to LDE. Positive play.

6:10 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll left—6:08 ball out to AJ on left sideline. Good job by OL. Positive play.

2:31 2nd & 9 3 WR-2R (AJ motions R so 3 R), TE-L (finally—hello, the unpracticed guy you didn’t think was good enough to put on pads is struggling—how about giving some help) Designed roll right—2:29 ball out to AJ behind LOS. Rivers falls on ground in front of RDE who is then backed into by Morency. No one picks up CB blitz so he is hitting Carr at release. Predominate fault pass protection.

1:48 3rd & 9 3 WR-2L, TE-R. Designed roll right—1:46 ball out to AJ on right sideline—ends up just short of 1st down. Pass protection OK except for Rivers getting juked to the ground by safety who ends up right in Carr’s face at release. Positive play.

4th QTR

10:42 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks downfield and then 10:40 dumps to Wells in left flat. As McKinney is trailing Henderson around back of DL it causes Wand to come off double team on RDE to assist McKinney. This leaves Pitts unbalanced and lets RDE free outside Pitts. Predominant fault OL protection.

9:23 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—9:21 ball out intended for AJ. Either poorly thrown or IMO morel likely miscommunication with Carr expecting AJ to break to sideline and AJ continuing up field. Predominant fault Carr & AJ.

8:40 3rd & 9 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. Morency barely impedes LB blitzing blind side. Brown allows Stroud virtually open access to Carr. No pocket to step into, Carr scrambles right for 6. Predominant fault Brown. [As an aside, folks need to remember that once the QB leaves the pocket, the no contact rules on WRs are gone so savvy DB’s will molest them and reduce a scrambling QB’s options]

2:46 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr is going to throw at 2:44 but ball is knocked out from behind by RDE who has speed rushed around Wand. Bruener promptly recovers the ball because he is laying on the ground after having been abused by LDE. Predominant fault Wand.

2:12 2nd & 14 4 WR, shotgun. 2:10 ball is out to Bradford on right sideline. Safety blitzes smoothly by unoccupied Wand. Stroud has advantage of Brown again. Positive play.

2:00 3rd & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:58 ball out to AJ for 1st on crossing route. Good pass protection. Carr throws ball exactly where it has to be to avoid pass break up. Positive play.

1:53 1st & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:15 same play. Positive play.

1:27 1st & 10 4 WR, shotgun. 1:24 ball incomplete to AJ. Not a poorly thrown ball—miscommunication between Carr and AJ—ball lands 4 yds from sideline inbounds. Very good pass protection. Predominant fault Carr/AJ. [Update--AJ said he knocked off on the route so fault AJ]

1:21 2nd & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:20 ball out to Armstrong left sideline for 6. Positive play.

1:11 3rd & 4 4 WR, shotgun. Wand does an excellent job. Wade and Wells allow LDE and LB in virtually unmolested. Carr trusted OL too much—moved forward to give Wade and Wells room to work and then gets hit from behind. Predominant fault Wade & Wells.

:54 4th & 9 4 WR-3R, shotgun. :52 the ball is out, incomplete to Bradford. Pass protection good. Bradford is very open—hardly qualifies as double coverage as Deion Grant is so far away from play. Carr looks AJ 1st—at the time of the look, one Jag has hand on AJ and they are moving right to left approaching a LB. Carr then looks to Bradford and throws. AJ comes open after Carr’s head turns to Bradford. Looks like AJ comes open as the two Jags tangle on each other a little. Predominant fault Bradford.

38 total attempted plays. 18 positive plays. Of the non-positive plays, I would grade it (I have used halves in some places to get these totals)--Carr 3, WR 2.5, Pass protection 12.5.

Runner
11-07-2005, 06:38 PM
Good stuff at first read - thanks for the effort. I'll see if I can watch the game again tonight.

If you're bored you could do the running plays.........

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 06:42 PM
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Vinny
11-07-2005, 06:46 PM
...it's all Carrs fault. This doesn't help much ses. We are trying to get folks to talk some real football...I know you are using sarcasm but let's try to keep one thread on target.

infantrycak
11-07-2005, 06:56 PM
...it's all Carrs fault.

Hey, I am trying to provide some kind of largely (hopefully) factual basis for looking at the problems. Folks can either discuss individual plays and how fault should be distributed or use this for their love Carr v. hate Carr arguments--or heck they can go ignore it and just keep saying the same thing each week.

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 07:01 PM
alright, alright. I hear ya.

But I think that point is still valid that we are taking pressure off the offensive line because we are limiting our offense by reducing it to maybe 2 reads. But the offensive line is still the same. I've have to give Pendry just a little credit for devising this type of offense. But smarter teams pick up on this and crowd the space in front of the safeties

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 07:11 PM
Terrific stuff.

Intersesting reminder about being outside the pocket:
8:40 3rd & 9 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. Morency barely impedes LB blitzing blind side. Brown allows Stroud virtually open access to Carr. No pocket to step into, Carr scrambles right for 6. Predominant fault Brown. [As an aside, folks need to remember that once the QB leaves the pocket, the no contact rules on WRs are gone so savvy DB’s will molest them and reduce a scrambling QB’s options]

It begs for DC to step into the pocket or to the side and make a defender whiff. I do not recall many completions, let alone attempts, when DC is flushed from the pocket. His tendency is to run right (probably due to LT issues).

I have not thought of our WR's as great route runners, but also not that strong without the ball, save AJ at times. If CB's are allowed this extra bump on 30% (estimate) of the time it will never fare well for the current outfit of offensive players. It truly looks to be a total team effort on our dismal start the first half of the season, although I have enjoyed the last two games.

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 07:22 PM
On this play;
6:35 3rd & 2 3 WR (2 R and then Gaff motion L to R), TE-R. 3 step drop—6:34 Carr overthrows Gaff at left sideline. Predominant fault Carr.

I thought for sure Carr was going to be in for a long day. It was a high pass that was wasn't really on target. I fell that Carr does good when get reps. We had 30 yesterday and felt his rythm was solid. On the play where it looked like Carr overthrew AJ badly, AJ himself said he he basically dogged it. We can't be having receivers constantly do this. They need to constantly be looking to make a play even when the play is broken. I am observing these WR just standing around and not looking for spots to get open to once the timing has been reached on thier initial routes, which is usually 3 seconds.

utahmark
11-07-2005, 07:24 PM
one thing i dont think people understand is that carr is a scrambling qb. so he is naturally gonna take a few more sacks. some of the sacks that people blame on carr are also the types of plays that he sometime turns into 15 and 20 yard gains. so if we dont wont to take the extra sacks and ask him to throw the ball away everytime he is pressured, then you have to give up a lot of those rushing yards as well.

seems to me that carr more than compensates for those extra sacks with some of his long scrambles. something a lot of qb's cant do. so they just get rid of the ball.

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 07:31 PM
one thing i dont think people understand is that carr is a scrambling qb. so he is naturally gonna take a few more sacks. some of the sacks that people blame on carr are also the types of plays that he sometime turns into 15 and 20 yard gains. so if we dont wont to take the extra sacks and ask him to throw the ball away everytime he is pressured, then you have to give up a lot of those rushing yards as well.

seems to me that carr more than compensates for those extra sacks with some of his long scrambles. something a lot of qb's cant do. so they just get rid of the ball.

I agree with you that he is a good runner. But could this instinctual asset be a team liability? I have not seen him complete many passes while on the run. I would rather him learn to stay in or around the pocket and get a comfort zone in order to go through more progessions.

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 07:35 PM
I too would love to see him stay in the pocket and be able to find a receiver, that is our ultimate goal. It's not going to happen when the pocket collapses like it does. We can bare get off the timed routes now. If Carr didn't make plays with his legs then it would be worse than it is now. It was just painfull obvious how different this team was when hodge went down and then Washington goes down. That has a direct impact on our passing game.

infantrycak
11-07-2005, 07:38 PM
Part of this exercise for me is taking a better look at Carr staying in the pocket and moving to assist the OL. In the last few games I have numerous times where Carr did move to buy time/help the OL and a few where arguably he could have done a better job. If someone sees plays they think Carr could have better shifted in the pocket, by all means point them out.

utahmark
11-07-2005, 07:43 PM
I too would love to see him stay in the pocket and be able to find a receiver, that is our ultimate goal. It's not going to happen when the pocket collapses like it does. We can bare get off the timed routes now. If Carr didn't make plays with his legs then it would be worse than it is now. It was just painfull obvious how different this team was when hodge went down and then Washington goes down. That has a direct impact on our passing game.

carr was 9 of 13 for 104 yards and 0 sacks with hodgdon in at center. i cant see how anyone can read that stat and not want to give this guy a decent shot with a good o-line. that right there should shut up all the carr haters.(but i know it wont)

i agree he doesnt make the best decisions but if he could spend more time to concentrate on the game and not running for his life. his decesions just might get better.

edo783
11-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Unless I am mis-reading the great information that Infantrycak provided, the ball was generaly gone in about 2 seconds AND had mostly positive results. Positive results are GOOD, but 2 seconds doesn't allow much time for more than about 10-12 yard plays at most. With our O-line, it's probably about as good as we can do. My impression (may not be fact) is the O-line did a better, maybe even acceptable, job of protecting as long as DHog was in and Pitts and McKinny were playing the left side spots. I also have the impression that Wade can only pass block his guy for a max of about 2 seconds.

run-david-run
11-07-2005, 11:21 PM
Terrific stuff.

Intersesting reminder about being outside the pocket:
8:40 3rd & 9 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. Morency barely impedes LB blitzing blind side. Brown allows Stroud virtually open access to Carr. No pocket to step into, Carr scrambles right for 6. Predominant fault Brown. [As an aside, folks need to remember that once the QB leaves the pocket, the no contact rules on WRs are gone so savvy DB’s will molest them and reduce a scrambling QB’s options]

It begs for DC to step into the pocket or to the side and make a defender whiff. I do not recall many completions, let alone attempts, when DC is flushed from the pocket. His tendency is to run right (probably due to LT issues).

I have not thought of our WR's as great route runners, but also not that strong without the ball, save AJ at times. If CB's are allowed this extra bump on 30% (estimate) of the time it will never fare well for the current outfit of offensive players. It truly looks to be a total team effort on our dismal start the first half of the season, although I have enjoyed the last two games.
almost all right-handed qbs run to the right naturally. most of vick's runs are to the left, its just how instinct works

run-david-run
11-07-2005, 11:22 PM
Well here is my break down of the passing game for this week. Tried to add a conclusion on positive play or whose fault for negative play. There is no way to assign fault to receivers because generally can’t see them. Times are in 1 second increments off the game clock. Comments on OL play on positive plays are provided for judging whether additional time available if needed. If the WR or TE number is even, they are split even unless noted otherwise.

1st QTR

14:18 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr checks Bradford left then 14:15 throws to Wells to the R. Protection good. Positive play—defined as successful for one of the designed options.

8:51 2nd & 7 4 WR. 5 step drop—8:49 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 1st down. Wade is saved by Wells after being beat inside. As ball is released, Brown is on the ground at LOS and Stroud is at Carr’s feet. Hodg and McKinney double Henderson well. Pitts solo handles RDE. Positive play.

7:17 2nd & 10 (after Brown false start) 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—7:15 ball out to AJ on left sideline for 8. RDE pushing both Pitts and McKinney into Carr as ball is thrown. Positive play.

6:35 3rd & 2 3 WR (2 R and then Gaff motion L to R), TE-R. 3 step drop—6:34 Carr overthrows Gaff at left sideline. Predominant fault Carr.

:37 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop--:36 ball intended for Morency who has released thru DL about 2 yds is knocked down by Stroud. Carr’s delivery not pronounced sidearm—basically good play Stroud. Pitts, McKinney & Hodg do a very good job. Wade & Brown both getting bull rushed into Carr’s face. Predominant fault Morency.

2nd QTR

15:00 3rd & 8 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. 14:57 Carr, after what appears to be two prior reads, dumps to Wells for 1st down. Pitts dominates RDE solo. Rest of DL is driven to the right. Good protection. Positive play.

14:18 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll right—14:16 out to AJ for 1st down. Only receiver on that side of the field, obvious 1st read. Positive play.

13:50 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll right. Bruener tries to seal LDE but slips off so releases as receiving option. LDE is then in instant pursuit of Carr. Carr jukes him and gains 2. Predominant fault Bruener.

13:09 2nd & 8 4 WR-3 L. 3 step drop—13:07 ball out to AJ left for 1st down. Wade is on ground at release. Brown and Stroud just looking at each other. Pitts pounds RDE into McKinney. Henderson stunting around end unaccounted for. Positive play.

11:13 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R (Bradford then motions so all 3 R), TE-L. 5 step drop—Carr looks right, pumps, then 11:11 dumps to Morency for -1 yds. Wade is slow off the the snap and recovers by getting away with a blatant hold around the neck of the LDE.

10:30 3rd & 9 4 WR. 5 step drop—10:28 ball out to Bradford right sideline for TD. Positive play.

8:03 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—after checking left side of field Carr dumps to Wells at 8:01 for 5 yds. This time right side of OL does well with Bruener handling LDE & Brown on Stroud. McKinney and Pitts double up. As ball is thrown, Hodg and Henderson are falling into Carr’s feet. Positive play.

6:51 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr checking R when LB comes between Brown & Hodg (Hodg is making a noble effort of laying on the ground trying to grab his foot in passing) unimpeded so Carr dumps to Morency at 6:49 who drops ball. Predominant fault—Brown & Hodg.

[In between passing plays Hodg is hurt. At this point Carr was 9 of 13 for 104 yds, 1 TD and 0 sacks]

6:47 2nd & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 3 step drop—Carr loses ball attempting to stop passing motion at 6:46. Brown whiffs on Stroud who then rag dolls Wells. No clear fault—Carr lost ball, but would have been whacked if held onto it—Carr 50%/Brown 50%.

6:39 3rd & 10 3 WR-2R, Wells & Morency, shotgun. 2 seconds Carr is sacked. 4 steps back from shotgun. Wand is following RDE straight to that spot. Morency gets fun over by Wand backing up (how do you not see a 330lb butt coming at you?) and is therefore off balance and so doesn’t slow down blitzing LB between Wand and Pitts. Pitts gives Henderson nothing. Brown and Wade are both abused. Carr tries to move forward to give Wand room but is hit from left by LB and right by Wade’s LDE. Predominate fault OL with a contributing effort by RB.

3:00 2nd & 8 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks right, pumps. Wand, Pitts, McKinney have Henderson and RDE very well. Brown and Wade both look solid for 2 seconds and then as if on prearranged cue release Stroud and LDE to Carr. Wells has released thru the line to right side. Carr--slides just shy of LOS for sack as safety comes up. Carr is predominately responsible for it being recorded as a sack, but OL is predominately responsible for it being a failed play (-1 yds vs. 0 yds on play made zero difference in game—failed play could have made a difference).

2:21 3rd & 10 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. 2:20 ball out incomplete to Bradford left side. Looks like Carr either threw the ball away or expected Bradford cutting harder because if ball is thrown directly to where Bradford actually is it is an almost sure INT—welcome other interpretations. Brown and Wells handle stunting Stroud and LDE. Morency looks like he steps out of the way of a stunting Henderson. Wand way slow to pick up LB blitz. Predominate fault Carr/Bradford.

3rd QTR
12:44 1st & 10 4 WR. 3 step drop—12:43 ball out to Bradford on right sideline for 9 yds. Positive play.

11:26 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looking at left half of field and then dumps to Wells in left flat at 11:24. Rivers and Wade can’t handle LDE—fumble the exchange. Positive play.

10:47 2nd & 6 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr isn’t finished with drop before protection has blown up. Wand actually holds firm solo. Wells picks up safety. Brown is abused—lets Stroud get to Carr’s drop spot and then yanks his arm out of the socket to put him on the ground (yes draws flag). Carr steps up to avoid Stroud buy Henderson is able to move inside Pitts and McKinney and pocket is gone. Carr moves right and is sacked by RDE who has come around back of DL after having been stood up by Wand. Carr should have thrown ball away but if had, holding penalty would have been accepted (2nd & 16 vs. 3rd & 11). Predominant failure of play on OL—Carr at fault for sack in stats by not throwing ball away.

10:19 3rd & 11 4 WR. 5 step drop—Wand allows RDE to meet LB blitzer who gets by whiffing Wells at Carr’s drop spot. Carr has nowhere to step into because Brown has let Stroud straight thru. Sack and fumble. Predominant fault OL.

8:03 2nd & 8 3 WR-2L, TE-R. Play fake—8:01 ball out to Bradford left sideline 1st down. Pass protection good but in part because blitz LB and RDE trip each other in front of Wand and Morency. Positive play.

7:38 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—7:36 left sideline pass to Bradford for 7. Wand is beat on inside move—on ground at release so Carr’s time was up. Positive play.

6:37 3rd & 1 3 WR (wide L, slot R and motion R, TE-R). Play fake, designed roll right—6:35 ball out to Gaff for 1st down. Rivers provides almost no impediment to LDE. Positive play.

6:10 1st & 10 2 WR, 2 TE. Designed roll left—6:08 ball out to AJ on left sideline. Good job by OL. Positive play.

2:31 2nd & 9 3 WR-2R (AJ motions R so 3 R), TE-L (finally—hello, the unpracticed guy you didn’t think was good enough to put on pads is struggling—how about giving some help) Designed roll right—2:29 ball out to AJ behind LOS. Rivers falls on ground in front of RDE who is then backed into by Morency. No one picks up CB blitz so he is hitting Carr at release. Predominate fault pass protection.

1:48 3rd & 9 3 WR-2L, TE-R. Designed roll right—1:46 ball out to AJ on right sideline—ends up just short of 1st down. Pass protection OK except for Rivers getting juked to the ground by safety who ends up right in Carr’s face at release. Positive play.

4th QTR

10:42 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr looks downfield and then 10:40 dumps to Wells in left flat. As McKinney is trailing Henderson around back of DL it causes Wand to come off double team on RDE to assist McKinney. This leaves Pitts unbalanced and lets RDE free outside Pitts. Predominant fault OL protection.

9:23 1st & 10 3 WR-2L, TE-R. 5 step drop—9:21 ball out intended for AJ. Either poorly thrown or IMO morel likely miscommunication with Carr expecting AJ to break to sideline and AJ continuing up field. Predominant fault Carr & AJ.

8:40 3rd & 9 3 WR-2R, Wells and Morency, shotgun. Morency barely impedes LB blitzing blind side. Brown allows Stroud virtually open access to Carr. No pocket to step into, Carr scrambles right for 6. Predominant fault Brown. [As an aside, folks need to remember that once the QB leaves the pocket, the no contact rules on WRs are gone so savvy DB’s will molest them and reduce a scrambling QB’s options]

2:46 1st & 10 3 WR-2R, TE-R. 5 step drop—Carr is going to throw at 2:44 but ball is knocked out from behind by RDE who has speed rushed around Wand. Bruener promptly recovers the ball because he is laying on the ground after having been abused by LDE. Predominant fault Wand.

2:12 2nd & 14 4 WR, shotgun. 2:10 ball is out to Bradford on right sideline. Safety blitzes smoothly by unoccupied Wand. Stroud has advantage of Brown again. Positive play.

2:00 3rd & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:58 ball out to AJ for 1st on crossing route. Good pass protection. Carr throws ball exactly where it has to be to avoid pass break up. Positive play.

1:53 1st & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:15 same play. Positive play.

1:27 1st & 10 4 WR, shotgun. 1:24 ball incomplete to AJ. Not a poorly thrown ball—miscommunication between Carr and AJ—ball lands 4 yds from sideline inbounds. Very good pass protection. Predominant fault Carr/AJ.

1:21 2nd & 10 4 WR-3L, shotgun. 1:20 ball out to Armstrong left sideline for 6. Positive play.

1:11 3rd & 4 4 WR, shotgun. Wand does an excellent job. Wade and Wells allow LDE and LB in virtually unmolested. Carr trusted OL too much—moved forward to give Wade and Wells room to work and then gets hit from behind. Predominant fault Wade & Wells.

:54 4th & 9 4 WR-3R, shotgun. :52 the ball is out, incomplete to Bradford. Pass protection good. Bradford is very open—hardly qualifies as double coverage as Deion Grant is so far away from play. Carr looks AJ 1st—at the time of the look, one Jag has hand on AJ and they are moving right to left approaching a LB. Carr then looks to Bradford and throws. AJ comes open after Carr’s head turns to Bradford. Looks like AJ comes open as the two Jags tangle on each other a little. Predominant fault Bradford.

38 total attempted plays. 18 positive plays. Of the non-positive plays, I would grade it (I have used halves in some places to get these totals)--Carr 3, WR 2.5, Pass protection 12.5.

thanks alot. interesting to see the negative play distribution there, not all that surprissing. thanks for all your effort there:highfive:

Vinny
11-07-2005, 11:25 PM
Unless I am mis-reading the great information that Infantrycak provided, the ball was generaly gone in about 2 seconds AND had mostly positive results. Mainly because a great deal of the passes were short hitch passes and short routes on a 3 step drop.

infantrycak
11-08-2005, 10:34 AM
Something I meant to mention and forgot. In what seems like a classic case of pig-headedness, the use of TE support was particularly perplexing IMO:

Pre-Hodg and Washington going down, i.e. Pitts at LT--when the Texans had a single TE, he lined up 1 time on the left and 6 times on the right.

Post Pitts at LT, i.e. Wand at LT--the Texans lined up single a single TE 1 time on the left and 11 times on the right.

Now I understand that may have been your game plan going in because it is more conventional and Wade needs more help than Pitts, but once Wand was in the game and struggling stick Bruener over on Wand to help--it isn't like that would reduce the zero receptions or attempts to TE's in the game anyway. As an aside, Capers said Bruener would have been the next guy to go in to play tackle.

As another observation on TE support for the tackles, having Rivers in is worse than no TE at all. When he is in, the tackle alters their blocking scheme and then has to recover once Rivers gets beat. Rivers should not be asked to do more than chip and release.

Malloy
11-08-2005, 10:49 AM
It begs for DC to step into the pocket or to the side and make a defender whiff. I do not recall many completions, let alone attempts, when DC is flushed from the pocket. His tendency is to run right (probably due to LT issues).


Easier to throw on the move too if going right.

Runner
11-08-2005, 11:03 AM
Something I meant to mention and forgot. In what seems like a classic case of pig-headedness, the use of TE support was particularly perplexing IMO:

Pre-Hodg and Washington going down, i.e. Pitts at LT--when the Texans had a single TE, he lined up 1 time on the left and 6 times on the right.

Post Pitts at LT, i.e. Wand at LT--the Texans lined up single a single TE 1 time on the left and 11 times on the right.

Now I understand that may have been your game plan going in because it is more conventional and Wade needs more help than Pitts, but once Wand was in the game and struggling stick Bruener over on Wand to help--it isn't like that would reduce the zero receptions or attempts to TE's in the game anyway. As an aside, Capers said Bruener would have been the next guy to go in to play tackle.

As another observation on TE support for the tackles, having Rivers in is worse than no TE at all. When he is in, the tackle alters their blocking scheme and then has to recover once Rivers gets beat. Rivers should not be asked to do more than chip and release.

Excellent point; I saw that too. In addition, in both the Seahawks game and the Colts game the tight end lined up next to Pitts frequently and was used for double teaming the DE. I'm hoping that the coaches hadn't schemed for that last game and didn't want to throw that adjustment in along with all of the other changes.

I'm sure with Indy coming up next week they will be using Bruener again to help on Freeney, which should help Wand out while he is knocking the rust off.

eriadoc
11-08-2005, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the analysis, Inf. Things like this continue to convince me that Carr could be a good QB behind a better O-line.

U4ikrob
11-08-2005, 03:40 PM
Easier to throw on the move too if going right.

Actually I would disagree unless your left handed or the receiver is in front of you or on the right hand side of the field.

Something of note on rolling out is how handedness plays a part. Try it out for yourself and see sometime. It's much easier to throw with your momentum than across your body. Just might be another reason why Carr doesnt throw much on the run to the right as he would have to throw across his body while running and try to square his shoulders up on the receiver for the throw to be accurate. That almost means you have to stop moving and get yoru feet planted to throw correctly and thus could put you in trouble of a sack since your slowing to throw. The natural tendancy IMO would be to tuck and run to the right and throw if rolling left [being a right handed person] It would be a much easier throw on a roll left as your momentum and body position would help give arm strength and accuracy to the ball when thrown to the left side of the field.

MorKnolle
11-08-2005, 03:52 PM
Actually I would disagree unless your left handed or the receiver is in front of you or on the right hand side of the field.

Something of note on rolling out is how handedness plays a part. Try it out for yourself and see sometime. It's much easier to throw with your momentum than across your body. Just might be another reason why Carr doesnt throw much on the run to the right as he would have to throw across his body while running and try to square his shoulders up on the receiver for the throw to be accurate. That almost means you have to stop moving and get yoru feet planted to throw correctly and thus could put you in trouble of a sack since your slowing to throw. The natural tendancy IMO would be to tuck and run to the right and throw if rolling left [being a right handed person] It would be a much easier throw on a roll left as your momentum and body position would help give arm strength and accuracy to the ball when thrown to the left side of the field.

It is easier for a right-handed QB to throw when he is rolling to his right, especially if he is trying to throw towards that sideline. If he is trying to turn and throw back across the field it would make it more difficult, but it is still easier than throwing while rolling left.

JaxonVillain
11-08-2005, 04:35 PM
I'm not a Texans fan, but that was probably one of the best posts I have ever read. Do you always break it down that way for every game? If I had a DVR, I'd love to try and do something like that for the Jaguars. Good luck the rest of the way!

utahmark
11-08-2005, 06:05 PM
Something I meant to mention and forgot. In what seems like a classic case of pig-headedness, the use of TE support was particularly perplexing IMO:

Pre-Hodg and Washington going down, i.e. Pitts at LT--when the Texans had a single TE, he lined up 1 time on the left and 6 times on the right.

Post Pitts at LT, i.e. Wand at LT--the Texans lined up single a single TE 1 time on the left and 11 times on the right.

Now I understand that may have been your game plan going in because it is more conventional and Wade needs more help than Pitts, but once Wand was in the game and struggling stick Bruener over on Wand to help--it isn't like that would reduce the zero receptions or attempts to TE's in the game anyway. As an aside, Capers said Bruener would have been the next guy to go in to play tackle.

As another observation on TE support for the tackles, having Rivers in is worse than no TE at all. When he is in, the tackle alters their blocking scheme and then has to recover once Rivers gets beat. Rivers should not be asked to do more than chip and release.

that just helps to convince me that our coaches cant think on the go. if its not in the game plan then they get confussed.

Kaiser Toro
11-08-2005, 08:48 PM
Carr looked pretty good watching a second time. DC and AJ may have found their groove, they looked in snych on the last drive.

I had forgotten about the holding call on Payne which negated the fumble recovery. That one hurt.

Runner
11-08-2005, 09:10 PM
Excellent point; I saw that too. In addition, in both the Seahawks game and the Colts game the tight end lined up next to Pitts frequently and was used for double teaming the DE. I'm hoping that the coaches hadn't schemed for that last game and didn't want to throw that adjustment in along with all of the other changes.

I'm sure with Indy coming up next week they will be using Bruener again to help on Freeney, which should help Wand out while he is knocking the rust off.

Upon further review, I'm going to correct myself.

In the Seahawks game, Bruener helped double the end with Pitts a lot; as infantrycak said Rivers was worse than no help at all.

In the Colts game McKinney and/or the RB usually helped double and even triple team Freeney. They didn't use the tight end near as much.