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humbleone
11-07-2005, 08:08 AM
The experiment to move a former fine CB to Free Safety to extend his career has failed. I don't know what is wrong with Coleman but he looks somewhere between absolutely lost as to where he is supposed to be on most plays (best case) to "I really don't care to compete anymore" (worst case).

He is blowing assignments, not running hard to the ball, throwing a shoulder vs. wrapping up when he is in position to make a play etc... Our production from the FS spot is so bad that Matt Stevens would not be any worse. To make matters worse, our brilliant coaches keep sending him out there rather than benching him.

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 08:12 AM
The experiment to move a former fine CB to Free Safety to extend his career has failed. I don't know what is wrong with Coleman but he looks somewhere between absolutely lost as to where he is supposed to be on most plays (best case) to "I really don't care to compete anymore" (worst case).

He is blowing assignments, not running hard to the ball, throwing a shoulder vs. wrapping up when he is in position to make a play etc... Our production from the FS spot is so bad that Matt Stevens would not be any worse. To make matters worse, our brilliant coaches keep sending him out there rather than benching him.

I thought he played awful as well. I look forward to reviewing the game tape, but not sure how much that will yield as he is usally out of the picture before the snap.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 10:03 AM
Coleman has seemed like he gave up on the year ever since about week 3. I wouldn't mind seeing Earl and Brown out there together at safeties and benching Coleman. Either way I don't expect Coleman to be here next season.

Vinny
11-07-2005, 10:08 AM
Coleman has been absolutely wretched this year and yesterday was a new low. We need to cut him and that stupid contract that Casserly gave him and go out and sign a veteran FA FS. It looks like he has quit on the team. I thought he was primed for his best year and was supportive early on...but geez, his play is a microcosm of this team’s problem.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 10:14 AM
I agree but at this point there's not much talent out there to sign, so I would say we bench him for the remaining 8 games and put Brown out there with either Earl or Simmons. I know Simmons can at least hit people and Brown is always around the ball. I didn't get to watch many games last year so I am not as familiar with Glenn Earl's abilities.

Vinny
11-07-2005, 10:16 AM
I think Earl has lost a step and may never regain it. I was watching many of my game recordings from last year a while back and he didn't have any make up speed and took a ton of bad angles where he got beat by guys on a regular basis.

infantrycak
11-07-2005, 10:17 AM
Coleman does look like he has lost it--both in comprehending the game (you have Wilford and Wilford only to be concerned with and let him waltz, polka and tango his way into the end-zone without a thought of covering him) and effort. His tackling on average this year has been far worse than Buchanon's.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 10:23 AM
I think Earl has lost a step and may never regain it. I was watching many of my game recordings from last year a while back and he didn't have any make up speed and took a ton of bad angles where he got beat by guys on a regular basis.

Yeah, that was my general impression what little I saw of him last year, but I have seen people on previous threads that wanted him to start at SS so I wasn't sure if I had missed something good out of him last year.

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 10:58 AM
It's been two weeks in row now that Coleman has caught my eye as playing pretty badly. He's is not help right now and is not making plays. All of the other players are stepping it up on defense except for Greenwood, Coleman and CC.

mamoo
11-07-2005, 11:09 AM
The problem is that Coleman is still the best cover guy they have amongst the safeties. CC is getting better, but is still more of a hitter. Glenn Earl is on the outs because he can't cover. Simmons may be a good choice. He is always all out effort on the field.

MightyTExan
11-07-2005, 11:11 AM
He might be playing hurt.

Reddevil63
11-07-2005, 11:14 AM
We can do alot worse than having Simmons at FS and Brown at SS. This roster is going to be demolished after this season, we aren't even going to recognize it.

humbleone
11-07-2005, 11:26 AM
The problem is that Coleman is still the best cover guy they have amongst the safeties. CC is getting better, but is still more of a hitter. Glenn Earl is on the outs because he can't cover. Simmons may be a good choice. He is always all out effort on the field.

On paper maybe Coleman should be our best cover guy but he has not and is not covering anyone this year at all. Honestly, it looks like we are playing our 10 against their 11 when he is on the field.

BTW, on the upside, PBuch (punt returns aside) actually is playing better the last couple of weeks IMO.

wags
11-07-2005, 11:35 AM
Coleman is the new breed of free safety- he doesn't tackle or cover.

beerlover
11-07-2005, 11:47 AM
two more years....alot of things will change. right now there is no intimadation in the Texans secondary, unless you consider Dunta's cover skills. what I'm talking about is hard hitting and physcial play from the Safetys. CC Brown was a 6th rd pick, and has bigger hits even though he is only 6'0 200 lbs. the Texans are not going to scare any NFL teams WR's going down the middle of the field with Coleman as FS & Brown the SS.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 12:01 PM
The problem is that Coleman is still the best cover guy they have amongst the safeties. CC is getting better, but is still more of a hitter. Glenn Earl is on the outs because he can't cover. Simmons may be a good choice. He is always all out effort on the field.

Part of the problem is that we almost never have our safeties do anything except a cover 2 deep zone. They can't keep up with most WRs but we do nothing but sit back in soft zones and give the QB all day to find someone open, and once they get down there our safeties and CBs except Dunta won't tackle anyone.

Tayton
11-07-2005, 12:33 PM
At the end of last year the defense played much better without Coleman and everybody told me it was a coincidence. He let people get behind him and can't hit or tackle. Not a good combination when you are playing Safety.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 01:15 PM
Coleman has looked like he just doesn't care anymore the last several weeks. At the beginning of yesterday's game I thought he actually looked relatively hyped up for once, but then the game went on and that went out the window. That long pass they caught where Coleman got that illegal contact call was ridiculous too. As a safety, especially when running a zone like that, you have to realize that you are the last guy back and when someone is running full speed at you, you have to do more than jog over and try to grab him like you're playing touch football, we're lucky he at least slowed him up on that so he didn't score a TD, but that effort was appalling.

humbleone
11-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Coleman has looked like he just doesn't care anymore the last several weeks. At the beginning of yesterday's game I thought he actually looked relatively hyped up for once, but then the game went on and that went out the window. That long pass they caught where Coleman got that illegal contact call was ridiculous too. As a safety, especially when running a zone like that, you have to realize that you are the last guy back and when someone is running full speed at you, you have to do more than jog over and try to grab him like you're playing touch football, we're lucky he at least slowed him up on that so he didn't score a TD, but that effort was appalling.

Your observations are spot on. What drives me crazy (and will continue to do so until they get fired) is how this coaching staff refuses to step up and deal with this stuff. I mean geez...what else do you need to think about? There has to be accountablility in order for there to be integrity. How much game time would Coleman see on a Parcells team for example????

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 01:39 PM
Your observations are spot on. What drives me crazy (and will continue to do so until they get fired) is how this coaching staff refuses to step up and deal with this stuff. I mean geez...what else do you need to think about? There has to be accountablility in order for there to be integrity. How much game time would Coleman see on a Parcells team for example????

I agree, although I think Earl has been bothered by injuries again this year and I'm not sure if he's ready to go out and play yet. I wouldn't mind seeing Simmons and Brown back there together. Neither one will get an INT but they will both tackle and Simmons will hit people on a frequent basis. I wouldn't mind seeing Jason Bell back there either. He's not especially fast for a CB but he's pretty big and he tackles pretty well and also likes to hit. I think Bell, Brown, and Simmons rotating at S could do pretty well. I think we should at least try it if Coleman doesn't turn it around soon, if nothing else to get hungry players in there and evaluate what they can do so next year's coach knows if any of them are worth keeping around.

False Start
11-07-2005, 02:05 PM
Coleman has definately been one of the biggest dissapointments for me this year . It seems like everytime we give up a big play , he is part of it somehow someway . :brickwall

powda
11-07-2005, 04:13 PM
watch the greg jones td run. robinson and buchannon both miss tackles (poor form and to high on a power runner). something about coleman caught my eye on the play though.

first...coleman over runs the play left and puts himself in a horrible position to recover if jones cuts back (which he did).

second...arround the time buchannon makes contact with jones coleman slows for just a step in his pursuit...almost to a jog for just a second before he realizes jones breaks free.

to make matters worse cc brown is in pursuit and right behind coleman. coleman's half *** effort inhibits brown's pursuit.

truth of the matter is after over running the play coleman likely wouldnt have stopped the td---especially since a jag wr was there to block.

but to me it dosent matter. you are the safety---NO ONE GETS BEHIND YOU ,and you dont stop until the whistle blows. it says a lot to me about his mentality and the overall mindset of many starting players on our defense.

early on in the game a lot of defenders stayed around the ball---swarming. i found myself encouraged. BUT the second the chips were down they lost heart.

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 04:20 PM
It seems every week we flame a different player for the Texans. This week it's Coleman. Our defense is not that good, I have no idea why the Jags do not pass on us more.

powda
11-07-2005, 04:26 PM
It seems every week we flame a different player for the Texans. This week it's Coleman.


over the course of the season how many standout plays can you think of from a safety?

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 05:03 PM
over the course of the season how many standout plays can you think of from a safety?
How many standout play can you think of from ANY players on this team?

Vinny
11-07-2005, 05:05 PM
How many standout play can you think of from ANY players on this team?I thought the play where Wilford jogged into the end zone with his blazing 4.6 speed right in front of Coleman stood out. :challenge

SESupergenius
11-07-2005, 05:11 PM
I think Coleman is actually smarter than P-Buc, he at least makes it look like he doesn't see the play instead of doing an "-O-lay" at it.

humbleone
11-07-2005, 05:19 PM
over the course of the season how many standout plays can you think of from a safety?

If he is good...a bunch. It is not unheard of for your FS to be #2 in both tackles and Int's for the team as well as the defensive team leader. What do we have?

In addition, the position's importance is increasing rapidly with the offensive evolution of the game which creates mismatches of TE's being covered by LB's etc...

RTP2110
11-07-2005, 05:22 PM
over the course of the season how many standout plays can you think of from a safety?

Troy Polamalu Troy Polamalu Troy Polamalu.

YoungTexanFan
11-07-2005, 06:09 PM
i have been saying this about colemen from the middle of LAST season.

my remedy: Dwayne Slay from TT

http://media.putfile.com/DwayneSlay

^^^^video^^^^

he should be a latter round pick, second day, and will still strike fear into recievers.

tex
11-07-2005, 09:31 PM
I said from the start that they should never have moved Coleman.He was a better cornerback.We should have drafted a safety are got a FA.

Porky
11-08-2005, 01:24 PM
Not to beat a dead horse here, because I do agree Coleman has been trash this year. But, I wonder if any of this can be attributed to the loss of his best friend and mentor AG? I mean the dropoff in his play has been dramatic. I think he saw the direction of the team, and frankly, has just not put out. He got pissed that his best friend was swept out the door in favor of pburnt, and has barely showed up since. That's inexcusable, but that's the way I see it.

humbleone
11-08-2005, 01:44 PM
Not to beat a dead horse here, because I do agree Coleman has been trash this year. But, I wonder if any of this can be attributed to the loss of his best friend and mentor AG? I mean the dropoff in his play has been dramatic. I think he saw the direction of the team, and frankly, has just not put out. He got pissed that his best friend was swept out the door in favor of pburnt, and has barely showed up since. That's inexcusable, but that's the way I see it.


Wow, I had not thought of that. I hope that doesn't have anything to do with it because as a Pro it shouldn't and that would really be inexcusable as you say. Maybe it is just that he has reached the point as an athlete where he is physically still ok but not mentally where he needs to be to perform anymore. Whatever the reason, I blame the coaches more at this point for sending him out there than him for the way he is playing...he may just not have anything left in the tank.

Hervoyel
11-08-2005, 02:07 PM
It seems every week we flame a different player for the Texans. This week it's Coleman. Our defense is not that good, I have no idea why the Jags do not pass on us more.

Is it working? Perhaps we should flame two players next week. Maybe then we'll see some results!

;)

YoungTexanFan
11-08-2005, 02:45 PM
it has seemed to have worked so far, we have flamed carr and p-burnt, and they have played significantly better after we went at them. Colemen this week. I now second the motion that we flame at least TWO players every week.

my nominations: Colemen and Greenwood

*results of flame test not proven on coaches through first 4 years*

FLAME AWAY BOYS!!