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Bull Pen 1
11-06-2005, 10:13 PM
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 10:15 PM
Do you remember the pre-DomDavis running game?

Vinny
11-06-2005, 10:16 PM
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills.

BattleRedRaider
11-06-2005, 10:18 PM
We don't need Domanick Davis?

First ask this:

Are you out of your mind?

thegr8fan
11-06-2005, 10:20 PM
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills. so is it their fault the coaches center their offense on an around the middle of the road QB who has limited game breaking skills, like Carr?

I'm with you BP1, obviously when DD isn't in the game the Texans open up the offense and passing game to score more points. Heck even Wells plays better. Obviously the entire offensive problem is DD. He needs to sit down more often so the Texans can play a better more competitive ballgame.

Vinny
11-06-2005, 10:21 PM
Who am I blaming? I didn't see me blaming anyone for anything in this thread except the coaches.

run-david-run
11-06-2005, 10:29 PM
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.
this is without doubt the dumbest thread i have ever seen in my life, all i can hope for is that you forgot to press the little "sarcasm" icon. i dont think i eve need to respond to this garbage, i just couldnt help myself.
while we are at it, why not realease james form the colts becasue he is limiting mannig's touches???? :brickwall

run-david-run
11-06-2005, 10:34 PM
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills.
would you consider LaDannian Tomlinson to be an elite back?
Im gonna go on a limb and assume you say yes... yet you call DD a middle of the road back, please explain how DD had almsot the same number of total yds from scrimage as LT did last year?
Just becasue DD doesnt run a 4.3 40 doesnt mean he is not a gamebreaker, nor does it mean he is an average running back. how does everyone else fail to realize his talent, esspecially when he is running behind the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL?:brickwall
by the way, how fast was emmit smith?

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 10:34 PM
so is it their fault the coaches center their offense on an around the middle of the road QB who has limited game breaking skills, like Carr?

I'm with you BP1, obviously when DD isn't in the game the Texans open up the offense and passing game to score more points. Heck even Wells plays better. Obviously the entire offensive problem is DD. He needs to sit down more often so the Texans can play a better more competitive ballgame.

The Texans scored pretty much on their average for the season today.

thegr8fan
11-06-2005, 10:37 PM
Who am I blaming? I didn't see me blaming anyone for anything in this thread except the coaches.not sure who your reply was too, but if it was mine, then all I did was ask a simple question regarding our QB and coaching decisions and your opinion on it. I didn't use the word blame, you did.

as for the thread, come on guys can't you see the light. This was by far David Carr's best game this year, no DD to fall back on. Obviously DD is a crutch to Carr's learning and playing better. It is as obvious as the nose on your face. Trade DD or sit him down and make Carr play well every game. The offense opened up, the WR's hands improved, the Kicking game was good, the entire game was competitive. OBVIOUSLY when DD isn't playing the Texan bring their 'A game'. Sit him down and play Wells, he played his best game to date, IMHO, even. The whole team seems to be more focused and playing better without him.

Sit DD or trade him so the Texan's can get better.

Vinny
11-06-2005, 10:38 PM
Sit DD or trade him so the Texan's can get better.OK, if you guys say so. :embarrass

thegr8fan
11-06-2005, 10:40 PM
The Texans scored pretty much on their average for the season today. see even more proof of how DD really isn't a solution to the Texans game. We played and scored the same amount of points without him. And, IMHO, we played a better game overall.

utahmark
11-06-2005, 10:43 PM
and we can sit aj to. that way carr doesnt key on him and spreads the ball around more. d##n, we would be awsome. no one would no what we were gonna do.

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 10:44 PM
see even more proof of how DD really isn't a solution to the Texans game. We played and scored the same amount of points without him. And, IMHO, we played a better game overall.

You are the one who said MORE...I love how people forgot from one post to the next what they said.

Jerry
11-06-2005, 10:49 PM
not sure who your reply was too, but if it was mine, then all I did was ask a simple question regarding our QB and coaching decisions and your opinion on it. I didn't use the word blame, you did.

as for the thread, come on guys can't you see the light. This was by far David Carr's best game this year, no DD to fall back on. Obviously DD is a crutch to Carr's learning and playing better. It is as obvious as the nose on your face. Trade DD or sit him down and make Carr play well every game. The offense opened up, the WR's hands improved, the Kicking game was good, the entire game was competitive. OBVIOUSLY when DD isn't playing the Texan bring their 'A game'. Sit him down and play Wells, he played his best game to date, IMHO, even. The whole team seems to be more focused and playing better without him.

Sit DD or trade him so the Texan's can get better.

So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better? I'm sure AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either; the impact of a Pro-Bowl receiver obviously pales in comparison to a change in running backs. DD has accounted for about 1/2 of our total offense before today's game. Without him, we would score even fewer points (if that was actually possible...)

thegr8fan
11-06-2005, 10:50 PM
actually I think our average is 10-11 pts per game and we scored 14. But that is splitting hairs. And still makes the point that DD isn't the key to whether we score points or not. If he was we wouldn't have scored our average without him.

yaboycm
11-06-2005, 10:52 PM
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.

Noooooo waaaay dude. Are you out of your mind? DD is the 3rd best player on this team. Only AJ and Dunta are better. It's not DD's fault Carr has no field vision. I.E. The Texans last play of the game. Once we get a real coach in here, DD will be used appropriately like Ladanian and you will see how important this guy is to the team. He is very versitle. Good runner and good catcher. Should use like Westbrook but run more.

thegr8fan
11-06-2005, 10:55 PM
AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either how many TD's did he score? He didn't seem to be a huge part of the game today, so no, the coach's didn't seem to change their gameplan due to his return.

So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better? don't forget our QB, whom some on this board feel had a BREAKOUT game this time out. Magic? OK, if you want we will simply say DD has bad MOJO.

YoungTexanFan
11-06-2005, 11:03 PM
So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better? I'm sure AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either; the impact of a Pro-Bowl receiver obviously pales in comparison to a change in running backs. DD has accounted for about 1/2 of our total offense before today's game. Without him, we would score even fewer points (if that was actually possible...)

i dont follow your thoughts in this thread, you seem to be arguing two seperate, opposite points with yourself.

gwallaia
11-06-2005, 11:05 PM
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.

Bull Pen 1
11-06-2005, 11:05 PM
The Texans scored 2 touchdowns in two games this year, one of the games was today. All the other games we scored one touchdown. Carr checks downfield then dumpes the ball off to DD. When he isn't in there he actually found receivers today. If you checked the games last year when DD was hurt the same thing happened. Either sit DD or Carr don't play both of them at the same time.

Actually probally sitting Carr isn't a bad idea. Of course this is already in another post.

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 11:05 PM
Somebody could double check my numbers, but the Texans have scored 107 through 8 games. They scored 14 points today. 107-14= 93.

So prior to today 93 divided by 7 games 13.3 points per game.

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 11:07 PM
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.

Now, that is a thought I could get behind.

utahmark
11-06-2005, 11:08 PM
i think the offensive line starting to play a little better has more to do with our 2 td's than anything else.

Bull Pen 1
11-06-2005, 11:09 PM
Somebody could double check my numbers, but the Texans have scored 107 through 8 games. They scored 14 points today. 107-14= 93.

So prior to today 93 divided by 7 games 13.3 points per game.

So how many games you think we can win scoring 13.3 points per game this year.

Bull Pen 1
11-06-2005, 11:10 PM
I think a passing game has something to do with it, and I'm not talking about screen passes either.

wags
11-06-2005, 11:11 PM
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.

Yea, and then we could all skip through the Middle East singing kumbaya.

ArlingtonTexan
11-06-2005, 11:14 PM
So how many games you think we can win scoring 13.3 points per game this year.

About the same that the 14 point performance you guys are raving about.

Texans Pride
11-06-2005, 11:16 PM
Wow...all sorts of theories come out of the wood works when a team spirals down. . .

Rovator
11-06-2005, 11:34 PM
He does have a point. While I wouldn't say to bench him or trade him, I do notice our passing offense sucks when we overuse Davis. I don't know if it's Carr's fault, or if it's the playcalling, but look at the first half of last season. We weren't using Davis much because of his fumble problems, but Carr was throwing for like 275 ypg and 65% completions with a rating close to 100. In the 2nd half when we started forcing Davis into the offense, Carr's % dropped to mid 50's and his ypg dropped to ~ 200 and a rating around 70-80.

Rovator
11-06-2005, 11:35 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268/gamelogs/2004 is where you can see the stats.

texasguy346
11-07-2005, 12:19 AM
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.

Wait a minute. Are you telling me that there are coaches out there who utilize the talent available to them and maximize their effectiveness? That's insanity.


I don't see how DD is the problem here. Wells was part of the passing game as well. Didn't he have like 44 yards recieving and 56 yards rushing or something like that? Seems to me like DD would've put up similar numbers had he been able to start. I think that David just seems to play better against the Jaguars than he does against most other teams.

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 12:37 AM
exactly Rovator.

Carr's playing and stats go way up WITHOUT DD in the game. Why? Who cares. We have now identified a main ingrediant to the Texans problems, DD. Bench him. He is obviously slowing down David Carr's development as much as the O-line is.

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2005, 12:44 AM
Yea because our offense looked so dynamic today without DD.

There's no one to blame for DD's overuse except for Capers.

Now, if this offense would be better with less RB dumpoffs, I could go with that.

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 01:00 AM
Now, if this offense would be better with less RB dumpoffs, I could go with that. thats the whole point of sitting DD down. Carr does not have the easy dump off pass to him and is forced to go through his WR progressions and find the open receiver.

DD is obviously a huge problem to our offense and needs to sit down so Carr can develop his QB skills. DD is Carr's crutch, obviously and we need to get rid of the crutch and get Carr back on the development track.

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2005, 01:24 AM
I'm not against getting rid of the crutch, I just don't understand the "trade DD" solution.

LORK 88
11-07-2005, 01:25 AM
Here's an idea that I've been preaching all season long: LETS GET A REAL OFFENSIVE LINE!! One that can run block for D Dand one that can give Carr more than 2 seconds to pass! It angers me when stupid talk like this occurs and people are too dumb to notice the problem in front of their eyes. Davis is a good back, if Carr dumps off to him, thats not Davis' fault! Lets see what happens when him, AJ, Mathis, and Gaffney are all on the field together before we pass judgement on a RB who had 1776 total yards and 14 TDs last year.

Also, we just signed him to a nice big extension in the offeseason so QUIT DREAMING!!

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 01:33 AM
DD seems to do just fine with our offensive line. Imagine what he could do with a real O-line and what we could get for trade for him. But this thread is about DD and sitting him or trading him. If you want to inject the 'O-line is the whole problem' idea, pick one of the 1,332,345 OTHER threads that it already exists in.

DD sits and the team comes alive, get the magic, whatever you want to call it. When he isn't on the field the entire team seems to do better offensively. Lets sit him down for a few games and see how the improvements go.

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2005, 01:38 AM
I doubt we get a whole lot in a trade for DD. He does a lot of things decent but he doesn't do anything exceptional either. There are a lot of RBs drafted in the mid rounds every year that are nearly identical to him. Not trying to take anything away from him but we probably wouldn't get more than a 3rd or really late 2nd.

Coach C.
11-07-2005, 02:35 AM
No reason to even find out, he has signed a 5 year extention so he is here. DD is a good back that fits our system, but he does need to be spelled more so that he can be healthy all season. Any RB that gets the ball as much as he does starts to build fluid on his knee. Anyway DD should neither be benched or traded. He is one of the stars on this team and should be for a good long time. If the next coaching staff like Vinny implied started passing the ball more then DD would likely add 25+ yards per game. incase you did not know that is an extra 400yds per season.

Grid
11-07-2005, 05:08 AM
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.

brickmantexanfan
11-07-2005, 06:48 AM
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.


I say you Take another Dose of crazy pills then take 2 weeks off,then come back and quit!

DD has been most of our offense this year,or have you been to busy looking throught the bottom of the prescription bottle?I have been on the DD Train from the start and not backing down now.:banme

Tedc
11-07-2005, 07:06 AM
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.

<cleaning coffee of my screen>


Now that WAS funny!

When will people understand that when DD is in the game, the defense keys on him because he 60% of the offense. It is the coaches fault for not calling the right plays, not the player's fault for doing so well.

This is not higher math here.

NativeJPR
11-07-2005, 08:56 AM
UN-FRICKING-BELIEVEABLE............The ONLY people on this team that need to be benched are the ENTIRE coaching staff............THEY are the ones that can't organize the talent on this team and get them working together to make it appear someone knows what the hell is going on. DON'T blame any one player for the TEXANS poor showing thus far.....IT ALL FALLS ON THE COACHES:goodnight

Bull Pen 1
11-07-2005, 09:03 AM
I'm not saying it's DD fault, I'm just saying we play better withiut him. As the gr8 fan said he is Carr's cruch. So he hurts the team, get him out of there.

OzzO
11-07-2005, 09:04 AM
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.

No, no, no... you have it backwards. We need to get RID of the crutches to improve the others - to force them into improving vs. proving their worth as our top players have done.

So you would need to drop DD, DRob, AJ, Pitts, and might as well throw in Carr. That way, all the others would step up their game.

Hmm.... I wonder who we get rid of to step up the coaches....

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 09:10 AM
I often wondered what speaking in tongues meant. But thanks to this thread I have a snapshot that I can add to my mental rolodex.

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 09:14 AM
So you would need to drop DD, DRob, AJ, Pitts, and might as well throw in Carr. take Carr out of that sentence, because he is the one still hobbling around on the DD crutch. But yeah, we beat Cleveland without AJ, and the WR's played a better game, except Bradford so fire him, and if we dropped DRob, then we would see the REAL Philip Buchanan I am sure, the Showtime version. Pitts hasn't taken a game off since he got here, so he definitely needs a rest. The O-line would definitely have to step up.

But this thread is about DD and how he needs to sit down so the Texans and especially Carr can step and concentrate and bring their 'A game'. When DD is not in the game Carr's stats are much better, his WR's get the ball more, the entire game is improved. The stats show it, clearly. Sit him down and lets get the Texans back on the winning track again. :texflag:

infantrycak
11-07-2005, 09:34 AM
When DD is not in the game Carr's stats are much better, his WR's get the ball more, the entire game is improved. The stats show it, clearly.

DD was the primary RB in every game Carr had over 250 yds of passing in last year and the 245 yd day, but yeah the stats show it clearly.

Is there are argument that something needs to change from over dependence on DD? Sure, but the solution isn't sitting or trading a gigantic piece fo the offense. The solution to DD dumps, if it is a problem, is keeping DD in to pass protect or releasing the TE's into safety valve work and telling Carr to look for them and not DD.

Fact is this whole issue is overstated--in the last three games, DD has caught 2, 1 and 2 passes (he is averaging 3.25 receptions per game)--that is obviously not the difference in the passing game from yesterday when Wells caught 4 and Morency caught 1.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 10:56 AM
This is the dumbest thread I have seen on this board.

chuckm
11-07-2005, 10:58 AM
This is the dumbest thread I have seen on this board.


stick around awhile ..

texan279
11-07-2005, 10:58 AM
This is the dumbest thread I have seen on this board.

I have seen worse, but this thread is pretty bad. The thought of trading or benching our starting RB because he makes our passing game suffer is nuts. However, I would be in favor of rotating our RB's.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 11:08 AM
I have seen worse, but this thread is pretty bad. The thought of trading or benching our starting RB because he makes our passing game suffer is nuts. However, I would be in favor of rotating our RB's.

I definitely agree. Many starting RBs in the league this year have had injuries because they are carrying the ball too much. Cadillac had four wonderful games early on and then had to sit out a couple weeks. Most of these aren't injuries from a specific play, it's just from wearing them out too much. They said yesterday that Davis is leading the NFL in % of team's total offense, which is commendable for him but we need to give him a break every now and then. Either run something like the Chiefs where Priest goes for two possessions and then sits one out or else just bring him out once every 3-5 plays. He can't keep getting 25-30 carries and 5 catches a game and expect to be healthy for very long. The one positive about him missing yesterday is it showed what we can do when we throw the ball more, and I'd like to see that with Davis coming out of the backfield rather than Wells and then have Johnson, Gaffney, Mathis, and Armstrong at WRs. Bradford had a pretty good game until that last muffed catch but he has been dropping too many balls and I'd like to see us spread the defense more with Mathis' speed in there, then have the sure hands of Gaffney and Armstrong and the overall talent of AJ together on the field for once.

texan279
11-07-2005, 11:18 AM
I definitely agree. Many starting RBs in the league this year have had injuries because they are carrying the ball too much. Cadillac had four wonderful games early on and then had to sit out a couple weeks. Most of these aren't injuries from a specific play, it's just from wearing them out too much. They said yesterday that Davis is leading the NFL in % of team's total offense, which is commendable for him but we need to give him a break every now and then. Either run something like the Chiefs where Priest goes for two possessions and then sits one out or else just bring him out once every 3-5 plays. He can't keep getting 25-30 carries and 5 catches a game and expect to be healthy for very long. The one positive about him missing yesterday is it showed what we can do when we throw the ball more, and I'd like to see that with Davis coming out of the backfield rather than Wells and then have Johnson, Gaffney, Mathis, and Armstrong at WRs. Bradford had a pretty good game until that last muffed catch but he has been dropping too many balls and I'd like to see us spread the defense more with Mathis' speed in there, then have the sure hands of Gaffney and Armstrong and the overall talent of AJ together on the field for once.

Nice post. Also with rotating our RB's, we could go from a quick cutting RB (DD and Morency), to more of a pounding RB (Wells) and change the pace a bit during a game. The announcers yesterday kept talking about how much of a big bruising RB Wells is, but when I think of a big bruising RB first thing I think of is Jerome Bettis. I guess though compared to DD and Morency Wells is a "bruising" RB. Wells has impressed me all season but really impressed me yesterday. He didn't do anything out of this world, but the effort he gave on his TD run was awesome. I think our RB stable is becoming one of the brighter spots of the team.

GP
11-07-2005, 11:22 AM
Yeah, the Lions should have benched or traded Barry Sanders, too.

That guy tore it up...but he kept them from being EXPLOSIVE.

Give me a break here.

We've got an o line that is inconsistent in pass blocking, thus limiting our QB who I think we are all beginning to have doubts about at this point, and DD is the only thing we have in terms of consistent productivity from one week to the next.

The stats show DD accounts for (drum roll please) approximately 50% of our TOTAL offensive production. If anything, he needs to get paid a bonus each Sunday for keeping us from getting skunked each week. He keeps our weak defense rested by churning out about 3 yards per carry (unless we do that stupid run audible), he breaks tackles and keeps the chains moving, and it ain't his fault if our o line and our QB end a good drive with either a sack, a fumble by Carr, or Carr throwing it into the stands/running into sacks/running out of bounds when Carr DOES have time.

DD and Dunta Robinson are probably the most purely talented individuals on our team, and their desire exceeds Carr, as well. Period.

DD was skipped by a lot of teams in the draft. He was supposed to be a third down back, and look at what he's accomplished.

That's about the height of ignorance to post something like this. If the guy plays badly or acquires a bad attitude, please go ahead and rip him. But to lay this sort of thing at his feet, saying that him being out of the game opens up the offense, is absurd. Boredom has set in on the mesage boards, and now we're inventing new people to blame. :goodnight

We played a zombie-entranced Jags team the first half, and then those guys came out and HANDLED us with ease in the second half. Their defense is weak, and without a fluke missed-tackle situation on the Bradford TD...we'd have lost by 2 TDs.

To clarify:

That's about the height of ignorance to post something like this. If the guy plays badly or acquires a bad attitude, please go ahead and rip him. But to lay this sort of thing at his feet, saying that him being out of the game opens up the offense, is absurd. Boredom has set in on the mesage boards, and now we're inventing new people to blame. :goodnight

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 11:34 AM
DD and Dunta Robinson are probably the most purely talented individuals on our team, and their desire exceeds Carr, as well. Period.


I agree that Domanick and Dunta are two of our best players but I would not say their desire exceeds Carr's, Carr has shown as much if not more desire to win than anyone else on the team.

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 11:44 AM
Jaaaaaannnnnnee, get me off this crazy thing!

HomeBred_Texan
11-07-2005, 01:11 PM
I agree that Domanick and Dunta are two of our best players but I would not say their desire exceeds Carr's.
Well I will say it...

DD is a back up RB at best. We will draft R Bush and the running game will open up. DD does NOT have the skills it takes to be a 1500+ yd runner a year. He has a big heart, but lacks in some skills. He is not "one of the best" players on the team by any means....

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2005, 01:22 PM
Yeah, the Lions should have benched or traded Barry Sanders, too.

That guy tore it up...but he kept them from being EXPLOSIVE.

Give me a break here.

Sorry man, the DD to Barry Sanders comparison just isn't working for me. They aren't the same kind of player, not even close. DD has nice stats because of an over-reliance by the coaches and now Carr on the dump offs. This isn't DDs fault but we need a more diversified offense if we're ever going to get anywhere. This means less of the offense through DD. If he was such a dynamic player, that after getting 50-60% of the offense we probably probably shouldn't be 1-7 right now.

ArlingtonTexan
11-07-2005, 01:27 PM
Well I will say it...

DD is a back up RB at best. We will draft R Bush and the running game will open up. DD does NOT have the skills it takes to be a 1500+ yd runner a year. He has a big heart, but lacks in some skills. He is not "one of the best" players on the team by any means....

DomDavis is the one player on the team that is getting the most of his physical talent. In that sense, he is one the handful of the best players on the team. As pure physical talent, he is a borderline starter, but he is productive partly because of the system, moreso because of that heart you mentioned.

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 01:42 PM
DD has nice stats because of an over-reliance by the coaches and now Carr on the dump offs. This isn't DDs fault but we need a more diversified offense if we're ever going to get anywhere. This means less of the offense through DD.see now your getting it ledzep. We bench DD and force the offense to work without him for a few games, then bring him in and see how it all works with him. Benching DD is a good thing for our offense as it allows Carr and the offensive players to quite using its favorite crutch, DD.

It isn't that DD doesn't deserve to play, it is the offense does not deserve to utilize him so much.

Kaiser Toro
11-07-2005, 01:52 PM
Sorry man, the DD to Barry Sanders comparison just isn't working for me. They aren't the same kind of player, not even close. DD has nice stats because of an over-reliance by the coaches and now Carr on the dump offs. This isn't DDs fault but we need a more diversified offense if we're ever going to get anywhere. This means less of the offense through DD. If he was such a dynamic player, that after getting 50-60% of the offense we probably probably shouldn't be 1-7 right now.

I agree DD is no Sanders, but we do not pay Dom Davis Barry Sander's level money. We expect that delta in production to come elsewhere, but that is another thread.

MorKnolle
11-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Well I will say it...

DD is a back up RB at best. We will draft R Bush and the running game will open up. DD does NOT have the skills it takes to be a 1500+ yd runner a year. He has a big heart, but lacks in some skills. He is not "one of the best" players on the team by any means....

He is not one of the fastest few RBs in the league, but he is very solid. He is quick, he recognizes holes well, he catches the ball well, and he runs hard and plays with a lot of heart. In my mind he reminds me somewhat of Emmitt Smith. Before everyone cries about that comparison I will admit that as an overall RB Emmitt was better, but physically the two are very similar, not to mention DD is only in his third year and playing with a less complete team and a much worse OL.

Texas
11-07-2005, 03:02 PM
Please dont try and compare DD and LT. Thats retarded. However bench dd? Wow thats not the smartest thing in my opinion. We'd probably be even worse off. The fact is its the coaches. Imaging have someone will pass then let DD run every 3rd or so play. We'd be elite. Ty Good Game

rmartin65
11-07-2005, 03:09 PM
DD should stay in. He is a great pass catching back. The coaches just nneed to realize the pass is good.

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2005, 03:14 PM
see now your getting it ledzep. We bench DD and force the offense to work without him for a few games, then bring him in and see how it all works with him. Benching DD is a good thing for our offense as it allows Carr and the offensive players to quite using its favorite crutch, DD.

It isn't that DD doesn't deserve to play, it is the offense does not deserve to utilize him so much.


Well, this whole "reduce DDs role" argument has been going on for awhile now. I remember Fiddy as one of the early campaigners - but in any case, my main argument is against the people that think the solution is trading him.

dat_boy_yec
11-07-2005, 07:03 PM
Well I will say it...

DD is a back up RB at best. We will draft R Bush and the running game will open up. DD does NOT have the skills it takes to be a 1500+ yd runner a year. He has a big heart, but lacks in some skills. He is not "one of the best" players on the team by any means....
You know as nice as I think it would be to have Bush and DD in the backfield for the Texans I really dont see it happening. Well right now at least, by the end of the season i could be wrong, but we have DD, Wells, Morency, and I think Hollings (does he even still play running back for the Texans). Four running backs, I would agree that the Texans should bench Davis more so they can evaluate the other running backs and see if they're keepers. Morency could still develop into a good running back but could he become good enough to split time with DD I hope so. Wells is a solid backup, I would hate to see him go. Hollings I remember seeing him run well a long long time ago, have no idea where he could be right now. I was surprised yesterday that Hollings was on the field but i didnt really see how he did, but the way I see it one of them would have to go in order to draft Bush. In regards to DD being traded no way that would be crazy I would not want to see that happen. Thems my 2 cents.

spence425
11-07-2005, 08:09 PM
this is just stupid. the passing game stinks all the time, and it is a simple matter of having no time. carr has time to get one read and then dump against most defenses. that dump happens to be DD (who is an above average back overall). that's why johnson has been struggling this year in the previous games. defenses focus on him, leaving DD with good stats still because he's the dump. give carr a chance and he'll spread it around.

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 08:35 PM
Carr spread it around just fine in the Jags game, hence the bench DD idea. Carr and DD shouldn't be on the field together. It makes Carr do his job when DD is on the bench, which is a good thing. Cause nothing else seems to be making him earn his paycheck.

Bench DD and make Carr a better QB first. Then we can bring DD back in and have a legit 1-2 punch, IMHO.

HomeBred_Texan
11-07-2005, 09:14 PM
You know as nice as I think it would be to have Bush and DD in the backfield for the Texans I really dont see it happening. Well right now at least, by the end of the season i could be wrong, but we have DD, Wells, Morency, and I think Hollings (does he even still play running back for the Texans). Four running backs, I would agree that the Texans should bench Davis more so they can evaluate the other running backs and see if they're keepers. Morency could still develop into a good running back but could he become good enough to split time with DD I hope so. Wells is a solid backup, I would hate to see him go. Hollings I remember seeing him run well a long long time ago, have no idea where he could be right now. I was surprised yesterday that Hollings was on the field but i didnt really see how he did, but the way I see it one of them would have to go in order to draft Bush. In regards to DD being traded no way that would be crazy I would not want to see that happen. Thems my 2 cents.
Well the Texans will either draft Bush or Leinart. I think Bush would be best right now because we have not had a great running back since Earl Campbell. I hope they don't mess this up....

edo783
11-07-2005, 10:40 PM
DD is a pretty good NFL RUNNING back, but he is HORRIBLE as a blocking back. Probably why they put him out in a pattern to catch a pass, that and he has good hands. Why keep a guy in to block who can't. Put him where he can help.

infantrycak
11-07-2005, 10:51 PM
DD is a pretty good NFL RUNNING back, but he is HORRIBLE as a blocking back.

DD is inconsistant more than horrible--some great plays and then whiffs. Really a problem all our RB's have. DD is about 65% ok/ 35% bad. Wells more 80%/20% and Morency in limited exposure (I would guess he will get better with more practice) 20%/80%.

run-david-run
11-07-2005, 10:52 PM
see now your getting it ledzep. We bench DD and force the offense to work without him for a few games, then bring him in and see how it all works with him. Benching DD is a good thing for our offense as it allows Carr and the offensive players to quite using its favorite crutch, DD.

It isn't that DD doesn't deserve to play, it is the offense does not deserve to utilize him so much.
can you read what you are writting? becasue the coaches are calling too many running plays we should sit the running back? that is without doubt the dumbest thing anyone could say! we had wells in there and we still threw a bunch of dumb-offs, the only differance was that we didnt run the ball very well and we got our pro-bowl wide reciver back, hence we had to pass the ball. The only problem we have right here is playcalling. everyone knows we are going to run the ball to the left, and whenever carr calls an audible, eveyone knows its gonna be a run, probably to the left.

now, please stop waisting our time with such brainless posts...

run-david-run
11-07-2005, 11:05 PM
I really have been stuned by some of the posts I have seen on this MB about Dom Davis. Mostly the arguments range from 1. we have a better offense when he is not in the game or 2. he is a back-up running back and no better.

First off, the first argument is plain stupid. Almost every game we have played with DD has lead to other defenses bringing 8 man fronts. That means that if the coaching staff is bright enough to realize we have single coverage on the recivers we would have a much better passing attack. He is also keyed on during the passing games as other teams have reconginzed he can hurt them catching the ball. While at times it seems we run too many dump-offs, I would preffer a 6 yd catch to a 6 yd sack. Ultimatley, DD could be used far more effectivley than he is being used right now, giving him less carries, esspecially when it is obvious we are running. Because this offense is so basic we lean on DD and he gets picked on by other defenses. If we get protection enough to throw downfield, DD will get a lot more holes and a lot more yds, maybe than some people can see his value.

Secondly, the thoeory that DD is a backup is plain stupid. Just becasue a player is not taken in the 1/2 rd. in the draft does not mean he is a backup. Last year he had practically the same amount of yds from scrimage (runing and catching) as LaDannian Tomlinson (1700+ yds). While this does not mean he is as good as LT, that also means he is a top 10, probably top 7 RB in this league. All the while playing behind the most limited offense in the league.

Dont know if this has acctually had any affect on those of you determined to balme someone other than the coaches for our crappy record, but I hope that you at least consider my post before spewing off about DD again..

GP
11-07-2005, 11:52 PM
I have a crazy idea:

Maybe the problem is CARR?

If Carr got into a groove against the Browns (with AJ on the bench), spreading the ball around to Gaffney and other WRs...when previously he was locking onto AJ and refused to find other WRs...

And if we scored MORE points with DD on the bench because Carr could not dump it off to DD...thus being forced to go elsewhere with the ball...

...Then maybe--just maybe--it's Carr's fault for not being able to do the same blasted thing with (GASP!) both AJ and DD in the game!?

I mean, if this guy is an NFL starter at QB, getting fat paychecks and plenty of playing time on the field and on the modeling runways, and yet it takes players being OUT of the game for him to overcome the AJ-DD crutch...then the guy is definitely a wooden nickel.

And for you guys to be so bored with the team right now that you're even giving honest and serious consideration to this whole idea is very disturbing, IMO. Funny, but oddly disturbing at the same time.

Kind of like having a dream about swimming in your grandmother's underwear through a river of chicken noodle soup...and an alien awaits you on the banks of the river, to wisk you away for an inter-planetary wedding feast in the Drazaar sector of the Grahkoom galaxy.

Now THAT is disturbing. :crying:

thegr8fan
11-07-2005, 11:58 PM
everyone knows we are going to run the ball to the left, and whenever carr calls an audible, eveyone knows its gonna be a run, probably to the left. right. so what do they know when DD isn't in there? nothing, thats right, we actually confuse the opposing team with DD NOT in there. They cant 'key in' on him either on a run or a pass.

and yes I can read what I write, but thanks for asking.

and gpshafer, I think your starting to catch on. :rolleyes: And I ain't talking about your dream either, no matter how disturbing it is.

Scooter
11-08-2005, 12:22 AM
this is silly. the ones bashing DD are the same ones defending carr. the saying yall are using "how would manning or brady do behind this line?" also applies to the RB position. how would priest or Alexander do behind this line? they'd be 1000 yard rushers, sure. so is DD. what would DD do behind the steeler's line? or KC's? everyone remembers DD saying he was going to rush for 2,000 yards after his rookie season. anyone think he couldnt do it behind denver's? more often than not, DD is hit first BEHIND the LOS and is still percieved by the rest of the league as our biggest threat on offense. what if he were with san diego? would he be looked at in the same regard as LT because of his ability to run AND catch with the best of em? again, this is silly.

i loved grid's post. lets bench dunta because he dominates his aspect of the game and makes it obvious how bad the other side is doing. that is exactly what the topic of this thread is saying. bench the top player because the other side isnt holding up to their end of the bargain.

and as always ... it's because of capers + crew. dom has had ONE winning season in 8 years. you do the math.

TexAntagonise
11-08-2005, 12:40 AM
stick around awhile ..
I second this motion!

I think Iím going to quit my job so I wonít be so dependant on a steady income. :sarcasm:

Scooter
11-08-2005, 01:10 AM
This is the dumbest thread I have seen on this board.

this exact thread was also created last season ... and basically received with the same amount of sarcasm and insults.

HJam72
11-08-2005, 01:30 AM
I think we have too many bad O-linemen on the field. We just need to take a couple of them out of there and get used to only having 3. :)

Wait....I forgot, we don't have 3 good ones. :cool:

outofhnd
11-08-2005, 01:38 AM
This is a great topic really...

Maybe our passing game looked a little better because we had AJ Back? I mean a receiver that actually getrs open and catches balls can usually make a passing game better... I know that what im saying is sheer lunacy...

The way we played without DD last week makes me excited about his return because he can be more of an impact. I think AJ's return did more for the passing game success than DD's absence.. However I do like wells back there picking up blitzers...

DD isnt goin anywhere nor do I want him too Morency Doesnt hit the hole he dances thru it, & Wells isnt a feature NFL back.

texan0305
11-08-2005, 02:15 AM
Bench DD draft reggie bush...... sorry just a thought, then the next rounds just draft offensive lineman one of them is bound to be good, well as long as casserly isn't around....

Bull Pen 1
11-08-2005, 11:50 PM
AJ was in the game the first 3 or 4 game and how many passes did he catch while DD was in the game. Like I said before DD is Carr's crutch. Without DD Carr actually makes plays to the WR and a better game.

phan1
11-09-2005, 12:43 AM
I hate the coninuing philosophy of "Bench so-and-so because Carr doesn't know how to play with them". "Bench AJ cause Carr locks onto him too much." "Bench DD cause he dumps off to him too much." If you really think that, than bench Carr. This might be a crazy idea, but I like the thought of having the best players you have on the field at all times. :brickwall (Can you feel the sarcasm on that?) To say that we should bench our most reliable player on offense is totally STUPID.

Do you ever think that the reason Carr has a bad habit of dumping the ball off is because he doesn't trust his OL? And do you think putting Wells in there would make much difference at all? I sure don't. And do you think that Carr is so bad that we have to bench our best players players before him? If you really think the likes of AJ and DD is a hinderance on Carr and the team, than Carr shouldn't be benched, he should be fired and never play in the NFL ever again. :brickwall Now for me, I'm a Carr supporter and I am also a proponent of having the best players available on the field when you can. :brickwall

As for the reasons why Carr had a better game at Jacksonville could be contributed to a number of different factors, not because of DD's absence. 1) The Oline actually had a pretty good game until Wand came out and stunk it up on our last drive. Carr actually had some time in the pocket for a change. 2) AJ was back, which make our recieving core a whole lot better. 3) Carr STILL threw to his running backs a lot during the game. It's just that our recievers helped open up the field for us so Wells could pick up some decent yardage. No one complains when throwing to the RB actually works do they? Every time Wells has started over DD, Carr has still thrown to him many times. It doesn't matter who is in at RB.

What in the world do you guys want? A crappy RB in the backfield so that Carr can start throwing to his recievers? :brickwall Honestly, if you want to stop Carr from dumping it off, you have to start max protecting him with the RB so Carr has enough time to throw the ball. Unfortunately, DD doesn't have the size or skill to pick up blitzing linebackers or lineman. Now THAT would be a legit reason to bench DD. But that's not how we run our offense. Our runningbacks don't help pass protect, they go out for the safety valve. Even with a big RB like Wells who looks like he could pass block pretty well, he still goes out for the pass. So if we do not use schemes where RBs help pass protect, than DD is our guy until we get someone better.

Bull Pen 1
11-09-2005, 07:01 AM
Andre Johnson returned to the field for the Texans on Sunday after missing three games with a pulled calf muscle. He finished the contest with nine catches for 91 yards.

Johnson, who was expected by many to have a breakout season, has just 19 catches on the year for 167 yards and no touchdowns.

Now:

DD out of the game and AJ catches 9 passes in one game.

DD in the game and AJ catches 10 passes in 4 games.

This is jusr one example.

Lets see what happens this weekend.

thegr8fan
11-09-2005, 01:35 PM
I hate the coninuing philosophy of "Bench so-and-so because Carr doesn't know how to play with them". "Bench AJ cause Carr locks onto him too much." "Bench DD cause he dumps off to him too much." If you really think that, than bench Carr. I like the way your thinking phan1. But every time that suggestion gets put on here it is met with even more vehemence than benching DD ideas.

Basically I think Carr hasn't developed or played to his full potential because he uses DD, heavily, to bail him out. When DD isn't in the game Carr is forced to 'be all he can be'. Now if Carr ever matures enough to do this WITH DD in the game, then that would be great. But right now he is still using the training wheels, DD, and won't grow up enough to ride the big bike without training wheels. So hey, sometimes you just gotta take the training wheels off and give them a push downhill till they grow up and start riding like a big boy. It's time for Carr's training wheels to come off and him to start growing up and playing with the big boys. Daddy got sent home from his practices, literally, so now lets see if Carr is gonna play like a big boy, or go home to momma and cry about it.