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Malloy
11-03-2005, 05:46 PM
According to the Texans site, DD is now listed as questionable :I

Vinny
11-03-2005, 05:48 PM
Our Einstein coaching staff would probably start Wells.

Malloy
11-03-2005, 05:54 PM
Hehe, only time will tell. If no one sufficiently can step in for DD (if he in fact does not start), we'll be in big trouble since the ground is the only place we've been able to move the ball just a little bit lately.

the wonger need food
11-03-2005, 05:57 PM
The Morency situation is one that I am very curious about. We heard a lot of lip service in the preseason about getting him 5-10 carries a game to give Davis some rest and this hasn't materialized. They're only playing for draft position at this point so why not give the guy a look?

Vinny
11-03-2005, 06:07 PM
The Morency situation is one that I am very curious about. We heard a lot of lip service in the preseason about getting him 5-10 carries a game to give Davis some rest and this hasn't materialized. They're only playing for draft position at this point so why not give the guy a look?So, what we have now is a guy who may have to come in with NO touches. If they gave him a few carries a game he would not have to come in cold and would already be adjusted to the speed of the regular season. I don't know how this coaching staff could be any worse.

TEXANS84
11-03-2005, 06:08 PM
Our Einstein coaching staff would probably start Wells.

And that's probably the worst thing to do if DD cant go. Morency can run around the edges, something the Jaguars are having an extremely hard time containing.

Wells goes more up the middle, with Stroud and Henderson awaiting.

infantrycak
11-03-2005, 06:12 PM
The Morency situation is one that I am very curious about. We heard a lot of lip service in the preseason about getting him 5-10 carries a game to give Davis some rest and this hasn't materialized. They're only playing for draft position at this point so why not give the guy a look?

We heard that last year about working Hollings in for 5-10 carries a game. Like you said it seems to be just lip service. Instead he got 11 carries on the year.

ArlingtonTexan
11-03-2005, 06:17 PM
We heard that last year about working Hollings in for 5-10 carries a game. Like you said it seems to be just lip service. Instead he got 11 carries on the year.

In the mildest defense possible, during the off-season seems like every coach in the league talks about saving the wear and tear on its RB with another guy. Only a handful do it, and the one's that do get criticized for when they choose to put the other guy in.

infantrycak
11-03-2005, 06:21 PM
In the mildest defense possible, during the off-season seems like every coach in the league talks about saving the wear and tear on its RB with another guy. Only a handful do it, and the one's that do get criticized for when they choose to put the other guy in.

I agree that not much sharing gets done. I guess what sticks with me about that is it makes taking Hollings dumber than it otherwise looks. He had very little experience at RB. How was/is he ever supposed to develop if the only thing he ever does is practice at 3/4's speed and minimal contact? The same applies to a lessor degree to Morency--he looks like he has some upside, but he also doesn't look like an NFL runner IMO. He needs some NFL snaps to become a smarter runner and let his potential out.

Fiddy
11-03-2005, 06:25 PM
We heard that last year about working Hollings in for 5-10 carries a game. Like you said it seems to be just lip service. Instead he got 11 carries on the year. Yeah, the coaching staff does this every year. They say someone will get more touches or see the field more and it never happens. It's quite annoying.

Coach C.
11-03-2005, 06:26 PM
DD is just resting his knee due to fluid build up. It happens to all runningbacks over the course of the season. They likely drained, iced, and rested the knee and he will be fine come gametime. This does mean that they will start limiting his carries a slight bit. Don't expect anything more than a loss of 5-10 carries though. Most of those carries will go to Wells rather than Morency.

alphajoker
11-03-2005, 06:58 PM
In the mildest defense possible, during the off-season seems like every coach in the league talks about saving the wear and tear on its RB with another guy. Only a handful do it, and the one's that do get criticized for when they choose to put the other guy in.

Seems to be working for Shanahan over in Denver.

the wonger need food
11-03-2005, 07:32 PM
In the mildest defense possible, during the off-season seems like every coach in the league talks about saving the wear and tear on its RB with another guy. Only a handful do it, and the one's that do get criticized for when they choose to put the other guy in.

Actually, this is not true. If you look at stats from other teams (especially good teams), most of them have at least one other running back that gets a few carries, consistently, every game. The Texans second leading rusher is Carr. The only comparable team in this area would be NYJ, and they are almost as bad as the Houston Expansion Franchise.

Just like most good teams throw to their TE.

Do we see a pattern here?

keyfro
11-03-2005, 08:04 PM
yeah also good teams know to build a team threw the offensive and defensive lines...is there a pattern here i'd say yes...morency needs some carries cause we all know DD isn't a 25-30 carry per game back...he's solid when he gets between 20-25 carries...remember last week he started to slow down after he hit the 20+ carry mark...i think we need to do what kansas city is doing...having DD in for two series in a row then either morency or wells the next series...i mean we don't even have to do it to that degree...have DD go in after a couple of plays in that third series or something...either way i don't see what changing it up a little would hurt

the wonger need food
11-03-2005, 08:08 PM
yeah also good teams know to build a team threw the offensive and defensive lines

Absolutely, this game always has been, and always will be won in the trenches.

The Houston Expansion Franchise just likes to do things opposite of successful organizations. Some would call them innovative, bleeding-edge, forward-thinking. Other teams in the league just call them losers.

ojthecat
11-03-2005, 08:42 PM
Morency can run around the edges

How can you say this what I remember from the preseason was Morency did not look that good. To me he looked like a "project". I think maybe the reason we have not seen him is because he is not that good. He looked confused and kept trying to run around people. That is something that he did not have the speed for. It might have worked at Oklahoma State however this is the NFL and even the average players are FAST.

real
11-03-2005, 08:45 PM
amen ojthecat....Morency is a third stringer Davis a second and we need a real starter

the wonger need food
11-03-2005, 08:48 PM
amen ojthecat....Morency is a third stringer Davis a second and we need a real starter

Davis has been one of the most productive backs in the NFL over the past 2 years. He doesn't have breakaway speed, but he is a very good running back. Probably in the top 10 in the NFL.

real
11-03-2005, 08:52 PM
look at DD rushing average.... and the amount of carries compared to others with about the same amount of yards..... and he was number 11 last year, its guys that are not too far behind him in yardage that have way fewer carries

Doom Capers
11-03-2005, 09:49 PM
Our Einstein coaching staff would probably start Wells.


What is wrong with Wells though?

gtexan02
11-03-2005, 09:50 PM
RB Domanick Davis (Knee): Probable

he'll be in th ere

keyfro
11-03-2005, 10:10 PM
nothing is wrong with wells...nothing is wrong with morency...and DD is not a second string guy in this league...i look at DD and see a mix between priest holmes and curtis martin...DD just won't last as long as martin has

eriadoc
11-03-2005, 10:22 PM
Our Einstein coaching staff would probably start Wells.

Personally, I think Wells has earned the chance to start if DD goes down for a game, given his work ethic and play on ST. However, that doesn't mean much - both backs should see the field and whichever distinguishes himself should receive the bulk of the playtime in future outings. I think, given the history at this position, the coaching staff will do this. That is, after all, how DD came to start, how Hollings has managed to all but totally disappear from the team, and Wells has managed to make the team every year. Obviously, I think Morency is the more talented, but Wells deserves his share of carries. Plus, Wells is probably a better pass blocker at this point than Morency (and probably DD).

infantrycak
11-03-2005, 11:14 PM
look at DD rushing average.... and the amount of carries compared to others with about the same amount of yards..... and he was number 11 last year, its guys that are not too far behind him in yardage that have way fewer carries

All has to be taken in context. Was Curtis Martin truly the best RB last year?--nope, but he had a very good run blocking OL and a team that had to be dedicated to the running game. Were Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee and LaDainian Tomlinson no better or even worse than DD last year?--nope, but they struggled adapting to their line or with good blocking (and injury to a degree with LT but the point remains). For some reason people seem to act like OL's don't matter for RB's except when trying to argue Barry Sanders vs. Emmitt Smith.

Fiddy
11-04-2005, 12:11 AM
Personally, I think Wells has earned the chance to start if DD goes down for a game, given his work ethic and play on ST. I hate to break this to some people, but sometimes work ethic doesnt work. You dont give a player the nod over a player with less of a work ethic because like you said the best one should play.

We've built this team with hard working individuals and we only have one win to show for it this season. Right now I would much rather have players who dont work in practice but show up on gameday...

eriadoc
11-04-2005, 12:56 AM
I hate to break this to some people, but sometimes work ethic doesnt work. You dont give a player the nod over a player with less of a work ethic because like you said the best one should play.

We've built this team with hard working individuals and we only have one win to show for it this season. Right now I would much rather have players who dont work in practice but show up on gameday...

I agree with that, actually, and that is probably part of the reason why DD is our starter. Morency has shown nothing to suggest he should unseat Wells to this point. Wells subbed in for DD last year and gained 104 yards with a TD, IIRC. I do think Morency should be given a chance to show that he can unseat Wells, but to this point he hasn't done so, in my mind. Therefore, Wells is the #2 to DD, in my opinion. Hollings is like #7 or 8, after the tackles or somehting ;)

Malloy
11-04-2005, 04:08 AM
yeah also good teams know to build a team threw the offensive and defensive lines...is there a pattern here i'd say yes...morency needs some carries cause we all know DD isn't a 25-30 carry per game back...he's solid when he gets between 20-25 carries...remember last week he started to slow down after he hit the 20+ carry mark...i think we need to do what kansas city is doing...having DD in for two series in a row then either morency or wells the next series...i mean we don't even have to do it to that degree...have DD go in after a couple of plays in that third series or something...either way i don't see what changing it up a little would hurt

I agree, one should not underestimate the power of changing the pace of RB's on a team, must be hell for a defense.

Malloy
11-04-2005, 04:12 AM
RB Domanick Davis (Knee): Probable

he'll be in th ere

And further down the page you find this:

"Thursday, Nov. 3

Texans changes

RB Domanick Davis (Knee): Questionable"

infantrycak
11-04-2005, 09:29 AM
Casserly just said Hollings has never had an opportunity to play here so you really can't evaluate him. Strike #2000 there Cass.

MorKnolle
11-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Morency is much more the same type of RB that Davis is, so I think if Davis can't go that Morency will likely see the bulk of the carries. Our coaches have shown that they do not want to deviate from their system at all, so bringing in a much bigger, slower RB would not work well with many of the plays we try to run. I think Davis will be able to go and I am hoping he can, but if not I would expect to see Morency get as much if not more carries than Wells, although Wells should get more than normal too.

Vinny
11-04-2005, 11:01 AM
Morency is much more the same type of RB that Davis is, so I think if Davis can't go that Morency will likely see the bulk of the carries. Our coaches have shown that they do not want to deviate from their system at all, so bringing in a much bigger, slower RB would not work well with many of the plays we try to run. I think Davis will be able to go and I am hoping he can, but if not I would expect to see Morency get as much if not more carries than Wells, although Wells should get more than normal too.You seem to be accusing our coaches of having the ability to do something logical. Very interesting take. :penalty:
Casserly just said Hollings has never had an opportunity to play here so you really can't evaluate him. Strike #2000 there Cass.That was one of the most pathetic comments I've ever heard come out of his mouth.

the wonger need food
11-04-2005, 11:07 AM
If Davis cannot play, Capers said Jonathan Wells and rookie Vernand Morency would share the duties at running back.

chronic (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3438049)

chuckm
11-04-2005, 11:10 AM
That was one of the most pathetic comments I've ever heard come out of his mouth.

my thoughts were along those same lines, although I didn't phrase it as well.....

he has to go :thumbdown

Malloy
11-04-2005, 11:19 AM
Sounds like a man DESPERATELY trying to save his job to me.

Does it make his statement less true ?

Htown34s
11-04-2005, 11:29 AM
The best thing about this staff is that once they get replaced we're likely to see a significant change for the better.

You could tell from the first game of the year that the coaches have lost the player's respect.

Malloy
11-04-2005, 11:58 AM
There is a reason Hollings is not on the field. He can't play.

At least not with his team. Trying to grade players is very tough and ones "judgements" are rather subjective. Players deemed "useless" by some teams go on to play well with others, some don't. I'm not trying to make this a coach-talk although they do have some of the fault, I'm just trying to point out that perhaps Hollings would become a damn good player after say, 2 seasons in the drivers seat. Point is, there's just no way of knowing, as with Morency. He may not have shown "potential" during the pre-season, but perhaps if he got more touches he would develop into something really good.

Anywho, with the bad news of DD possibly not playing, I'm delighted in the news that Morency WILL in fact be getting playtime, who knows, he might turn out to be a hell of a player, even though the pre-season shows otherwise :)

keyfro
11-04-2005, 12:24 PM
i never liked the whole hollings pick up...a second rounder is just too high on a supplimental pick...even a third is too high in my opinion...very few of those guys ever make it to starter on a year to year basis...we could have used that pick in the following draft to pick up another starter...hollings will never develop into what he was supposed to be...the starting RB for this team

ArlingtonTexan
11-04-2005, 12:34 PM
Casserly just said Hollings has never had an opportunity to play here so you really can't evaluate him. Strike #2000 there Cass.

Looks like the early morning errand run saved my blood pressure from shooting through the roof. I wonder if he had other "pearls of wisdom"

I am assuming John and Lance did not follow with something obvious like "why hasn't he had the opportunity" or "you invested quite a bit Hollings is there no place he fits on the active roster"

Vinny
11-04-2005, 03:15 PM
Just reported that Dom Davis didn't practice today per Marc Vandermeer.

infantrycak
11-04-2005, 03:32 PM
There is a reason Hollings is not on the field. He can't play.

And you know this from what? His averaging more than DD or Wells on his measely 11 regular season rushes last year? I am not claiming he should be starting or anything, just that you can't tell if he is never in the game--exactly what Casserly said, except I don't have the power to put him on the field and they do. That's what made his statement dumb.

I am assuming John and Lance did not follow with something obvious like "why hasn't he had the opportunity" or "you invested quite a bit Hollings is there no place he fits on the active roster"

Nah--they were too busy trying to put down their badmitton racquets and pick up their JCI to go eat in the restroom with McKinney.

Malloy
11-04-2005, 07:46 PM
And you know this from what? His averaging more than DD or Wells on his measely 11 regular season rushes last year? I am not claiming he should be starting or anything, just that you can't tell if he is never in the game--exactly what Casserly said, except I don't have the power to put him on the field and they do. That's what made his statement dumb.


Thank you

GP
11-06-2005, 12:05 AM
Wells was horrible (especially his attitude and personality) when he first landed here. That was back in the day when we had James Allen, and I rooted for Wells because I figured a younger back would give us a better shot at winning.

But, I abandoned the U.S.S. Wells and actively campaigned for him to be cut.

Yet this team kept him and utilized him as a special teams player....and I be danged if he didn't make some good plays. Then, next thing you know he's getting reps at RB and showing signs of life again.

I gave him way too much confidence early on, then I lost it completely and screamed for his head on a platter, and now I have found new confidence in Wells again. He's consistent, and he fights just as hard as DD for every inch he can get on each carrier or catch.

I like Morency's potential and his age is a PLUS because he's more mature than a normal rookie. Frankly, I think Morency would be doing even better if DD were NOT on our team. In my eyes, Morency is a team player all the way and he wants to contribute to this team without stepping on DD's toes. Seems like he's the type of RB that patiently and quietly waits his turn for something like the injury that DD currently has....and then you see him break out like Larry Johnson did when Priest Holmes went down. To me, I think Morency will more than likely get his shot sooner than later AND it won't be a preseason situation where Morency knows he's not really getting the whole experience. For a guy like Morency, that's gotta' be going through his head during this past pre-season: "Jeesh, this is just a bloomin' preseason game against the third string defense...I'm backing up this team's star RB...and even if I make plays against a third string defense, it gets overlooked or yawned at because there's still DD ahead of me."

And that's why I got so frustrated with Wells early on. He had a golden opportunity to easily surpass James Allen, and he didn't take it. And to top it off, he pouted and you could tell he was blowing his chance. But he came full circle, and I doubted he would be able to.

And with Morency, I don't see that immaturity as we did with Wells. First off, DD is not James Allen. That's a mentally difficult thing for Morency to come in with his kind of talent and to play good with DD over on the sideline watching: You're going to stumble when you ought to break a long run ; You're going to make extra moves when you just need to get down the field in a straight line ; and other things that Morency got banged for during preseason.

In short: Morency is easily at a very manageable phase of his career that Wells had to take several seasons to get to. Wells is the luckiest person in the NFL because any other team would have cut him quick. And yet I see both Morency AND Wells as very capable backs although they have had different tracks into the Texans organization.

Wells will and should get priority early on in the game if DD is out: He's proven he can do it in a pinch. But I think Morency is just sitting on a golden opportunity, and I think he's going to hit a whole new level if he gets to play in a game where DD legitimately is out and is not coming into the game. Knowing that you're not getting yanked if you screw up seems to help certain players hit that new level, and I think Morency is that type of player.

Hollings is neither explosive off the snap, nor through the hole, and his entire physical makeup is just not the prototype NFL RB if you ask me. I think he has the ability to be a situational player but nothing more. He is so far behind Wells and Morency, IMO, that it's not even funny. I don't root against Hollings, but I won't root FOR him either. I tried that once with Wells, and I learned that having "faith" in a player jus doesn't mean a hill of beans. They've got to figure out if they belong in the big time or not...took Wells some time, and he figured out he did belong. I just think Hollings is physically inferior to the other RBs on the roster. It's one thing to overcome a mental or personality problem, but it's almost impossible to overcome the physical weaknesses that I think Hollings has.

Thus, this is why you see so many posters angry that this team keeps a guy like Hollings when he's light years behind the other RBs.

TheOgre
11-06-2005, 06:00 AM
The only rational reason that Wells should get more carries than Morency is pass-blocking. If Morency has picked up his responsibilities on pass-blocking, there is no reason to put in Wells.

GP
11-06-2005, 11:46 AM
Well, I think that Wells' experience in real games is a "plus."

He is a big load to try and tackle, he gets downfield, and his pass blocking is better than Morency. Morency brings an explosiveness which is a good change of pace, and we can use him to throw off defenders in certain down situations. Not a bad #2 and #3 if you ask me. I bet a lot of other teams would like to have a #2 and #3 like we have.

I want to see them both get an equal amount of reps...but I just think you start off with Wells and then adjust with Morency as needed.

We'l just be running the ball all day anyway...might as well tinker with both of them IMO.