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marroncito
10-30-2005, 07:46 PM
In the past several games Carr has definitly been locking onto AJ at times. Some of the reasons that have been put forward were that none of the other recievers were getting open. Another was that Carr didn't have confidence in his other recievers.

Now that he's played and won with his other recievers, especially Gaffney and Mathis, he might distribute the ball more: use his other weapons.

When AJ gets back on the field 100%, will Carr still get the ball effectivly to Mathis, Gaffney and Armstrong?

Will defenses back off AJ a little now that they've seen that the Texans can get it done with our other recievers?

rmartin65
10-30-2005, 08:19 PM
I hope so. Gaff has shown that he is a legit reciever. He has done well as the #1. Mathis is off and on but has shown flashes of good play. Armsrong I have not seen. If Carr can use all his recievers, the Texans should have a really good passing game.

TexansAllTheWayBaby
10-30-2005, 08:25 PM
Andre Johnson should benefit, now that Carr has other reliable options. This will:

-Prevent double teams on Andre during key plays

-Put less pressure on Andre to carry the load

-give Andre more plays to rest his knee injury

The passing game was obviously one off our weaknesses this afternoon. However, this gap has potentail to be filled in the future when Andre Johnson does indeed return.

We need to also work on a few other things. We can't become cocky, and we have to maintain what we did right today, and carry it over into Jacksonville.

Maybe we can get this thing turned around to save players and coaches jobs atleast.

Thanks for cheering us on today if u did!

Go Texans:texflag:

phan1
10-30-2005, 09:26 PM
I think Carr simply having tunnel vision on AJ is a myth. How many times did Carr throw to AJ when he was playing? Not that many. I think it's just the progression. You're going to look for AJ first obviously, than the other recievers. Problem is, Carr is going to be sacked by the time he completes his 2nd read. :rolleyes:

That being said, we really need him on the field. DESPERATELY. It's not like our offense played any better than they did their previous games. It was all on our defense and Jerome Mathis today. AJ really needs to be out there to help jolt our offense because our offense still sucks right now. If we didn't have DD, our offense wouldn't be any better than our rookie year.

Texans Pride
10-30-2005, 09:51 PM
Maybe we can get this thing turned around to save players and coaches jobs atleast.


Save coaches jobs? That's the last thing we need to happen! The best possible outcome for this season is a new coaching staff.

SESupergenius
10-31-2005, 12:07 AM
I concur, this "locking on" theory is invalid, go look at any other game, QB's look for their primary targets and if time is alloted, only then will they check down. Carr doesn't have that luxury of checking down much. He does however, need to improve his game of being patient when he DOES have time. It' a very fine line with this pass protection.

rittenhouserobz
10-31-2005, 06:34 AM
I think you would agree though. If the defense is rolling coverage to AJ's side, then he should be the last read. There would be a better chance that one of the other recievers would be open. I think that he should have plays where the secondary and tertiary recievers should be the first read until the defense decides to back off AJ.

GP
10-31-2005, 07:59 AM
Disagree.

Carr is just now getting into a true rhythm because he's being forced to (GASP!) look to other WRs and not just AJ, then dump to DD if AJ's not open.

Carr is just as responsible as the o line for the poor offense production. Each week, Carr got more and more desperate to find AJ...even if AJ was surrounded by three DBs. And each time he couldn't get it to AJ, he grew more discouraged and more desperate.

To me, Carr's tunnel vision for AJ was definitely part of the problem.

infantrycak
10-31-2005, 08:51 AM
Disagree.

Carr is just now getting into a true rhythm because he's being forced to (GASP!) look to other WRs and not just AJ, then dump to DD if AJ's not open.

Carr is just as responsible as the o line for the poor offense production. Each week, Carr got more and more desperate to find AJ...even if AJ was surrounded by three DBs. And each time he couldn't get it to AJ, he grew more discouraged and more desperate.

To me, Carr's tunnel vision for AJ was definitely part of the problem.

Carr doesn't call the read progression, the OC does. Reality right now is 90% of the time the play is for the ball to get out in 1 or 2 secs. Pendry has to make the WR's other than AJ the prime read on 50% of the plays for them to stay involved in the game.

Bobo
10-31-2005, 09:31 AM
I hope so. Gaff has shown that he is a legit reciever.

Isn't Gaffney the guy everybody wanted to replace in the draft a few months ago? Shows how "intelligent" a lot of fans are.

HardKnockTexan
10-31-2005, 09:39 AM
Isn't Gaffney the guy everybody wanted to replace in the draft a few months ago? Shows how "intelligent" a lot of fans are.

I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about but if there is any reciever on this team that the fans were wanting to 86 it was Bradford. Most people on this board seem to be on the fence about Gaffney and some think he's a solid slot reciever. Fans have been calling for Bradford's head since year 2, and with his performance yesterday I dont think he should see the field again this year.

eriadoc
10-31-2005, 09:48 AM
Isn't Gaffney the guy everybody wanted to replace in the draft a few months ago? Shows how "intelligent" a lot of fans are.

There have been some vocal posters saying that Gaffney is not very good. I've posted metrics a few times to help dispel that myth, but ..... well, yeah.

For the most part, people want Bradford gone, while they begrudgingly acknowledge that Gaffney can be a decent slot guy. I've maintained all along that Gaffney would make a good #2 WR. I am beginning to really warm up to the idea of Mathis being in the slot. That's a tough assignment for a nickel back and would stretch the field a bit.

Vinny
10-31-2005, 10:04 AM
I've talked about how Gaffney can’t throw the ball to himself for years as he is a victim of not being the first or last read since Carr has had tons of trouble picking up mid-reads ever since he first came to the team. Many of the fans here have been so quick to apologize for Carr’s play that they have just blamed guys like Gaffney for his problems.

chuckm
10-31-2005, 10:07 AM
I like Gaffney and I think that the Gaffney v Stokley analogy is fair .... Which receiver would you start for your FFL team? Stokley on the Texans or Gaffney on the Colts?

HardKnockTexan
10-31-2005, 10:12 AM
I've talked about how Gaffney canít throw the ball to himself for years as he is a victim of not being the first or last read since Carr has had tons of trouble picking up mid-reads ever since he first came to the team. Many of the fans here have been so quick to apologize for Carrís play that they have just blamed guys like Gaffney for his problems.

I've been with you on the Gaffney wagon since day one. One of the few areas where I completley agree with you Vinny. :texflag:

Vinny
10-31-2005, 10:18 AM
I like Gaffney and I think that the Gaffney v Stokley analogy is fair .... Which receiver would you start for your FFL team? Stokley on the Texans or Gaffney on the Colts?Stokley is faster than Gaffney. I think Gaffney is more of a true possession WR in the mold of Keenan McCardell. McCardell was a great 2nd across from Jimmy Smith for years. Mathis can hammer people from the slot and create mismatches...That's what I'd like to see when everyone is healthy.

chuckm
10-31-2005, 10:21 AM
Stokley is faster than Gaffney. I think Gaffney is more of a true possession WR in the mold of Keenan McCardell.

no doubt but both are slot receivers ...... and Stokley benefits from the talent around him where Gaffney suffers for the same reason .... that was the point of my post .... it wasn't a tale of the tape ....

Texas
10-31-2005, 02:19 PM
Now we will have three threats for the defense to worry about. AJ, JM,JG..Im loving it! Hopefully our coaches will actually use this threat.

El Tejano
10-31-2005, 02:30 PM
I think Carr simply having tunnel vision on AJ is a myth. How many times did Carr throw to AJ when he was playing? Not that many. I think it's just the progression. You're going to look for AJ first obviously, than the other recievers. Problem is, Carr is going to be sacked by the time he completes his 2nd read. :rolleyes:

That being said, we really need him on the field. DESPERATELY. It's not like our offense played any better than they did their previous games. It was all on our defense and Jerome Mathis today. AJ really needs to be out there to help jolt our offense because our offense still sucks right now. If we didn't have DD, our offense wouldn't be any better than our rookie year.
I am agreeing with this. I didn't see us go on a long drive that resulted in a score, nor did I see us close the deal when our ST gave us good field position.

However, our offense didn't lose the game and having AJ back just may allow us to win a game offensively.

Marcus
10-31-2005, 02:46 PM
Has anyone gotten the thought that having AJ in the game is what David Carr does NOT need?

I really wouldn't mind if they put AJ out for the season, if only to get Carr more attuned to looking for other receivers. Putting him back in ther sooner rather than later, would only hurt him, IMO.

wags
10-31-2005, 02:50 PM
Has anyone gotten the thought that having AJ in the game is what David Carr does NOT need?

I really wouldn't mind if they put AJ out for the season, if only to get Carr more attuned to looking for other receivers. Putting him back in ther sooner rather than later, would only hurt him, IMO.

AJ is one of the best football players on this team. Not having him on the field is a seriously blow to the offensive juggernaut that is the Houston Texans.

phan1
10-31-2005, 08:00 PM
Has anyone gotten the thought that having AJ in the game is what David Carr does NOT need?

I really wouldn't mind if they put AJ out for the season, if only to get Carr more attuned to looking for other receivers. Putting him back in ther sooner rather than later, would only hurt him, IMO.

That's crazy and not really practical. AJ should be on the field as soon as he gets healthy.

swtbound07
10-31-2005, 11:41 PM
jabar gaffney is still a damn gator, and thats all ive ever said about him

dat_boy_yec
11-01-2005, 07:35 PM
Has anyone gotten the thought that having AJ in the game is what David Carr does NOT need?

I really wouldn't mind if they put AJ out for the season, if only to get Carr more attuned to looking for other receivers. Putting him back in ther sooner rather than later, would only hurt him, IMO.

Im think that Carr should be able to make his reads with or without AJ on the field and if his line buys him some time now that he's become a little more comfortable with his other receivers it would be a better opportunity to evaluate his abilities. I think that this weeks game showed a little improvement on his reads, and trust in his receivers ( cuz honestly after all those dropped passes by Bradford I dont think I would have thrown it to him even if he was open.) AJ I think should be out there if he's 100% its the coaches job to provide options for Carr and Carr's job to look at those options and make the most beneficial decisions. I look forward to this weeks game and im confident the Texans can follow capers plan and stay close. J/K GO TEXANS.

Dre_80
11-01-2005, 08:12 PM
Has anyone gotten the thought that having AJ in the game is what David Carr does NOT need?

I really wouldn't mind if they put AJ out for the season, if only to get Carr more attuned to looking for other receivers. Putting him back in ther sooner rather than later, would only hurt him, IMO.
:brickwall :goodnight :crazy:

Wow. Burn him!
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mike230765
11-01-2005, 09:14 PM
If the season is over allready then start Gaffney and Mathis so that Carr can get used to them and Mathis can get some good game speed practice for next year. Also he can practice his run blocking skills. If for some strange reason they would actually win some games then that would be an added extra.