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Bubbajwp
10-30-2005, 02:52 PM
Is it just me or is he getting better every week.

BigBalla1983
10-30-2005, 02:53 PM
why make so many posts just follow up on the other posts. but yeah he finally did something but he got lucky since he missed judged the pass a little.

ArlingtonTexan
10-30-2005, 04:09 PM
Yeah, let's see his best plays

1) Trips a WR intentionally because he was beat

2) get his finger tip on a ball because he was beat.

Doom Capers
10-30-2005, 04:29 PM
Yeah, let's see his best plays

1) Trips a WR intentionally because he was beat

2) get his finger tip on a ball because he was beat.


And won the game for us.

Playmaker
10-30-2005, 04:32 PM
I think he still sucks, but yay for Phillip.

texasguy346
10-30-2005, 04:33 PM
Yeah, let's see his best plays

1) Trips a WR intentionally because he was beat

2) get his finger tip on a ball because he was beat.

Got to agree with AT here. Phillip still doesn't deserve to start opposite Dunta, and he's still a liability defensively. Teams are going to run to his side because they know he's afraid to tackle, and they'll throw to whomever he's covering because they know he'll be off of him.

texasguy346
10-30-2005, 04:38 PM
And won the game for us.


If any one player won the game for us it was Mathis. He caught our lone TD, and gave us good field position all game.

Phillip was beat by Bryant, but Dilfer underthrew the ball giving PBuch a chance to tip it away. If Trent gets the ball up the field more we'd be here talking about how we lost on a last second TD pass and how much Phillip stunk it up. I'm glad it turned out well for us and we got a win, but let's not give Phillip the Defensive Player of the Year award for getting a lucky break.

tsip
10-30-2005, 04:52 PM
Is it just me or is he getting better every week.


...just you

tulexan
10-30-2005, 05:05 PM
You can't base an argument on saying if this or if that. If our receivers were better, Carr would've had 4 touchdowns. If our line could block Davis would've ran for 150 yards. But they didn't.

The fact is that Buchanon did make a great adjustment and tip the ball away from the receiver. Whether he is the game's defensive MVP is another argument because several of our defensive players finally made some plays. But give the guy some credit.

Honoring Earl 34
10-30-2005, 05:15 PM
:texflag: No ifs about it ... PBuch made a play . He actually over ran it thats why he used his left hand .

If PBuch had an O-line and time to throw he 'd be better . Leave PBuch alone .:sarcasm:

phan1
10-30-2005, 06:12 PM
I don't think he did much todayat all. Even on the last play, he was beat by 3+ yards. I'm just happy Dilfer made a bad throw, because if he puts some more air under that, we would be talking about Buchanon in a totally different tone. If anything, that ball should have been an interception, not a tip up so that the WR can have a chance. Buchanon should be thanking his lucky stars it was underthrown or he would be making major headlines tomorrow in the worst way possible.

done88
10-30-2005, 06:41 PM
He was not beat by 3 yards and Dilfer did not under throw. The best corners look bait a quarter back into making a throw and then they make a play. That is why speed is so important. Its called make up speed for a reason. I'm not a big Buc fan either. However he was hitting hard and making good tackles today. He ended the gameby making a play on a ball that would have hit the reciever in stride at the goal line. The idea is to hit the reciever in the numbers. If Buc does not tip the ball it hits the reciever in the numbers in stride. He was not throwing the ball up high because hew did not see Buc. It was simply a good play. This is the first win enjoy it. Quit being so negetive.

thegr8fan
10-30-2005, 06:59 PM
If PBuch had an O-line and time to throw he 'd be better :rofl:

P-Buc made a good play to end the game, the throw was right on the money to the WR and P-Buc came from nowhere seemingly to make the play. But hey, even a blind hog finds the occasional acorn. :heh:

ArlingtonTexan
10-30-2005, 07:28 PM
And won the game for us.

That I won't take away from him. He did not give up on the play. Think it was a case of good effort creating good luck.

jacquescas
10-30-2005, 07:29 PM
this is what buchanon dodes as a player he will suck it up for 2 or 3 games then make some amazingly good or lucky play. i'd rahter have someone more consistant that doesn't have the big play ability but doesn't make as many big mistakes...


our return game is looking dangerous which is good if ur gonna be the worst team in the league.

touttail
10-30-2005, 07:30 PM
Is it just me or is he getting better every week.


PBurnt is so so lucky. Bryant ate his lunch and he manages to get a left finger on the ball to deflect it!

Faggins is lucky too that Bryant had his toe on the line or he would have given up another touchdown!

They can't cover anyones WR's!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Bubbajwp
10-31-2005, 08:55 AM
You cant complain about Pbuch being beet if he still made the play. You cant complain about Faggins being beat by Bryant either. Football is a game of inches. The inches fell our way in this game.
IMO if Faggins was guarding ABryant we loose this game.

texan279
10-31-2005, 09:11 AM
Everone has been all over PBuch for awhile now, but I have not read one thing about Faggins performances lately. PBuch had a whiff or two yesterday, but he also laid a hit on a one of the Browns WR on the sideline that knocked the ball loose stopping a Browns drive and he also had the play that clinched the win. He had a couple of other pretty good plays yesterday. I guess the PBuch bashing won't stop until he averages 30 tackles and 5 INT's a game. Some here are quick to call for heads when the not so big name guys struggle from time to time, but when AJ is dropping passes game in and game or DRob gets burnt on a long pass play I don't see anyone calling to bench or trade these guys...

eriadoc
10-31-2005, 09:58 AM
I have not watched my Tivo yet, but the guys on the post-game show on SR610 were saying this was Buch's best game wire-to-wire this season. I do remember at least two solid plays by him earlier in the game and I don't remember any times that I wanted him benched, FWIW.

the wonger need food
10-31-2005, 10:04 AM
He has definetely gotten more physical. I think that coach Hoke has made some progress with him.

On the downside, he's still getting burnt on some plays and has not been a playmaker.

Overall, the guy is still a big disappointment considering everything that was given away to get him.

HardKnockTexan
10-31-2005, 10:10 AM
When P-Buc was signed here I was VERY excited. That same excitement left with Aaron Glenn. I still had high hopes though. During the first few games I saw P-Buc get turned into P-Burnt and I chalked that up to learning a new scheme, playing with new teammates etc. After that 'ole' play he was blacklisted for me. In my eyes he could do no right. In reality however that play seems to be a turning point. After he was benched he seemed to be playing more aggressive. I've yet to see him in man coverage. We constantly use zone schemes and that is what seems to kill us. P-Buc has been tackling very well since his horrible tackle attempt. I'd like to see this guy on the field more often and leave him on an island in man coverage. Give him a saftey to help deep but throw that zone coverage out the window! He saved the game for us yesterday and I think with him working with Robinson for a full season will only help him and this team.

CoastalTexan
10-31-2005, 10:13 AM
He has really improved in my eyes as well. Maybe some of Robinsons words made him think. He should be starting over Faggins now. Our safetys are questionable i think. What happend to Glenn Earl, i thought he was doin good last year?

Vinny
10-31-2005, 10:16 AM
What happend to Glenn Earl, i thought he was doin good last year?I was watching some old games and he got beat badly on some bad angles and didn't have any make-up speed to make up for it. He may have never regained his previous speed before his injury.

Tayton
10-31-2005, 11:52 AM
I swear that when an opposing team lines up their first read is right at Buchanan. I asked the people I was with if they had noticed. After, they stated they didn't realize how bad he really was and what a liability he was. I'm very glad he made the play and will never look back after the win. However, he was beaten and the ball was underthrown.

thegr8fan
10-31-2005, 12:43 PM
the ball was underthrown. OK, lets get something clear here. I was standing in the endzone that the play was in, the ball was NOT underthrown. Matter of fact when Dilfer threw it my first reaction was, sounds alot like HIT, because it was right on the money and a sure TD throw.

Buchanon made an excellant play to recover from being beat and get a hand on the ball. I have no idea HOW he did it actually cause it looked like a sure TD to me initially, the guy was WIDE OPEN and the ball was RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It was, quite simply, a great play by P-Buch. give some credit where it is due, he made the play.

And I am not a P-Buch fan, not even slightly. Between him and Faggins, Faggins gets the start every time in my roster picks.

P-Buch gets an 'atta boy' instead of the usual phrases used on him for that play. His entire game yesterday, for whatever reason, was very much improved, IMHO.

Blake
10-31-2005, 01:10 PM
I think eveyone should be happy that our pass rush created an earlier throw than he wanted to make.

Our Defense made a good play. Phillip was in good position for the pass. He made a great play. And our Defense kept them from getting the TD.

Youngstown Colt
10-31-2005, 01:16 PM
That was flat out a great atheltic play that won the game. My jaw dropped when I saw it, and then I stormed outside to continue cutting the grass. (I'm also a browns fan)

However, he's clearly not getting better every week.

chuckm
10-31-2005, 01:23 PM
However, he was beaten and the ball was underthrown.

I'm certainly no Buchanon apologist (I'd take those 2 picks back today) but one of the measurables for a corner is his recovery speed .... the implication there is that the corner HAS BEEN beaten and must attempt to recover to break up the play ..... he did .... thank goodness

texan279
10-31-2005, 02:49 PM
Ok, I just saw the replay of the last play on ESPN, I got a quick look and to me it did not look like PBuch was beat, it looked to me like he was one on one with the WR and at the last second took a BIG chance and broke on the ball. I may be wrong but that's the way it looked to me.

College Texan
10-31-2005, 03:50 PM
Does his Sunday's performance convince anybody to change their negative views towards him? I think he showed me alot, he probably is a better player than he has shown to be. It siked me out to see him trip that guy, and he made that sweet tackle with orr. IF he gaines enough confidence do ya think he will earn his spot and be an all-pro like dunta. I'm happy for him cause he never struck me as a bad person, he lookes like he has a good personality and he probly gets along with dunta and looks up to him. He may not be as good a player, but he showed some good agressiveness and he kpt us from being 0-7.

Vinny
10-31-2005, 03:54 PM
Buchannon made a play. That's what he did...made a play.

Nawzer
10-31-2005, 03:57 PM
That ball was underthrown by Trent Dilfer. I'll give Buchanon credit for making that play but it doesn't make up for his horrible play through the first 6 games of the season. I hope that he is able to turn it around and maybe now he'll play better.

TEXANS84
10-31-2005, 04:11 PM
It was a fingertip that seperated a happy stadium from an angry stadium.

He was lucky.

BigWig
10-31-2005, 04:12 PM
I rewatched the game today, after getting back from being there, in one word I can answer your question......... NO..........................!

powda
10-31-2005, 04:23 PM
underthrown or perfect pass?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2118

Browns WR Antonio Bryant


(On the 4th and 18 pass from Trent Dilfer) “Yeah, Trent might have under thrown it a little, but I fell like it was my job to come back to the ball better. I should’ve come back and gotten the ball.”

touttail
11-01-2005, 05:40 AM
but I have not read one thing about Faggins performances lately. ...


Apparently you don't read too well. Two post above yours, I mentioned Faggins. I have mentioned a few times about Faggins getting beat bad!

bobby 119C

Malloy
11-01-2005, 07:18 AM
On the downside, he's still getting burnt on some plays and has not been a playmaker.


Apart from preventing another Houston loss... ok.. I see it... he sucks...

texan279
11-01-2005, 08:40 AM
Apparently you don't read too well. Two post above yours, I mentioned Faggins. I have mentioned a few times about Faggins getting beat bad!

bobby 119C

One little comment, nothing even close to what the PBuch haters have been posting on here. There aren't threads about Petey being a bust or people wanting to trade him or bench him like the threads on PBuch is what I meant.

eriadoc
11-01-2005, 09:48 AM
People need to lay off Buch this week. If he's as bad as you say, you'll have your chance to pile on later. Fact is, he had a good game. He had a pretty decent punt return in the first half, made some good tackles, broke up three pass plays, and saved the game at the end. And you can't say "if the ball wasn't underthrown" or "he was beat and had to find a way to recover", etc .... because that is what football is. It's a game of inches, hell millimeters. He made some plys - give credit where credit is due and go back to hating when he screws up.

texasguy346
11-01-2005, 10:01 AM
One little comment, nothing even close to what the PBuch haters have been posting on here. There aren't threads about Petey being a bust or people wanting to trade him or bench him like the threads on PBuch is what I meant.

Faggins doesn't get piled on nearly as much because most of his mistakes come from being too aggressive whereas PBuch looks as if he's playing too passively much of the time. Also Faggins hasn't been one to shy away from contact, and until Buchannon makes solid tackles on a consistant basis he'll continue to be on the wrong end of many a punchline.

mean mark8
11-01-2005, 10:18 AM
I am in no way a PBuch fan. I want him on offense rather than defense. That being said, on the final play of the game he did what we brought him in here to do, use his great speed and athletic ability to close on a good pass and knock it away. I actually saw him come up and tackle a few people as well. He's never going to remind us of DRob but he deserves some credit where it is due.

texan279
11-01-2005, 10:21 AM
Faggins doesn't get piled on nearly as much because most of his mistakes come from being too aggressive whereas PBuch looks as if he's playing too passively much of the time. Also Faggins hasn't been one to shy away from contact, and until Buchannon makes solid tackles on a consistant basis he'll continue to be on the wrong end of many a punchline.

So Faggins hasn't been flamed because he screws up in a different way? A mistake is a mistake, and I have seen Faggins burned many times this season...

texasguy346
11-01-2005, 10:31 AM
So Faggins hasn't been flamed because he screws up in a different way? A mistake is a mistake, and I have seen Faggins burned many times this season...

How many times have you seen Dunta go off on Faggins on the sideline due to his poor play? How many times have you seen Faggins benched because of his poor play this season? The point being that if this coaching staff is capable of recognizing how poorly Buchannon played when it took them several games into the season to realize that Victor Riley wasn't the 'answer' at LT then you've to got to think that the criticism of PBuch is well deserved.

As far as mistakes go there is quite a difference. Playing passively and making a mistake shows a lack of effort. Playing aggressively and making a mistake is a lot easier to swallow. At least you're putting forth the effort. I'm sure you'd agree that there's a difference in losing a game because the players were playing not to lose as opposed to losing a game because the players were playing to win but just came up short. Same can be said for making a mistake.

texan279
11-01-2005, 10:50 AM
How many times have you seen Dunta go off on Faggins on the sideline due to his poor play? How many times have you seen Faggins benched because of his poor play this season? The point being that if this coaching staff is capable of recognizing how poorly Buchannon played when it took them several games into the season to realize that Victor Riley wasn't the 'answer' at LT then you've to got to think that the criticism of PBuch is well deserved.

As far as mistakes go there is quite a difference. Playing passively and making a mistake shows a lack of effort. Playing aggressively and making a mistake is a lot easier to swallow. At least you're putting forth the effort. I'm sure you'd agree that there's a difference in losing a game because the players were playing not to lose as opposed to losing a game because the players were playing to win but just came up short. Same can be said for making a mistake.

Yeah, we all know how great our coaches are. :sarcasm: The same guys who bench players for a penalty but it takes them almost half of a season to realize Victor "turnstile" Riley isn't the answer at LT. I totally trust our coaches decisions...:sarcasm:

texasguy346
11-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Yeah, we all know how great our coaches are. :sarcasm: The same guys who bench players for a penalty but it takes them almost half of a season to realize Victor "turnstile" Riley isn't the answer at LT. I totally trust our coaches decisions...:sarcasm:

That's the point. If a blind man is capable of seeing something then it's got to be pretty darn obvious. I'll try it again just to make it clear. Riley played awful yet it took Capers and co. several games to realize that he needed to be taken out of the lineup. So imagine how awful PBuch had to have been playing for Capers to realize that he had to be benched during a game.

SESupergenius
11-01-2005, 12:27 PM
Faggins is getting his rips in, he's horrible this year in locating the ball, remember pre-season when he got burnt by Gabriel of the Raiders? But the reason we don't come down as hard on his is that he was not a 1st rounder and we gave up so much to bring him in coupled with the fact that he isn't doing a good job of replacing Glenn. And remember, Faggins was a late rounder.

P-burnt had a "good" play at the end, there I said it. But go watch the game again and see how much he gets burnt, it happens a lot. He should have got called for the flag on Bryant with that tippy toe tackle.

texan279
11-01-2005, 12:44 PM
Faggins is getting his rips in, he's horrible this year in locating the ball, remember pre-season when he got burnt by Gabriel of the Raiders? But the reason we don't come down as hard on his is that he was not a 1st rounder and we gave up so much to bring him in coupled with the fact that he isn't doing a good job of replacing Glenn. And remember, Faggins was a late rounder.

P-burnt had a "good" play at the end, there I said it. But go watch the game again and see how much he gets burnt, it happens a lot. He should have got called for the flag on Bryant with that tippy toe tackle.

It shouldn't matter if a guy is a #1 overall pick or if he is an undrafted free agent. Is it Buchanon's fault our front office gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him?

texan279
11-01-2005, 12:45 PM
That's the point. If a blind man is capable of seeing something then it's got to be pretty darn obvious. I'll try it again just to make it clear. Riley played awful yet it took Capers and co. several games to realize that he needed to be taken out of the lineup. So imagine how awful PBuch had to have been playing for Capers to realize that he had to be benched during a game.

The point is our coaches make horrible decisions.

texasguy346
11-01-2005, 10:47 PM
The point is our coaches make horrible decisions.

And starting Phillip at LCB to begin the season was one of many of their bad decisions.

Hervoyel
11-01-2005, 11:28 PM
And starting Phillip at LCB to begin the season was one of many of their bad decisions.


Yep. Buchanon was a great move IMO (at the time that's what I thought) and I couldn't wait to see him come in at the nickle. Robinson and Glenn at the corners and Patrick Buchanon as the first guy off the bench? What's not to like?

Then things just went weird. Buchanon was happy to have a new start with his buddy Andre and Glenn was good with everything. You need three good corners if you're going ot play in a division with Indy right? That's what Charlie said anyway. Then all of a sudden Glenn wasn't happy and then Glenn was gone and Buchanon was happy. Then Glenn was in Dallas and he was happy too and Charlie was telling us how this is the way things had to be sometimes.

Say what?

Glenn was under contract for this season. Buchanon wasn't going to cost us jack this season. Before the deal was even widely reported we had Raider fans in here telling us exactly what we were going to see out of Buchanon and they were right about him. Yet our team let Aaron Glenn walk out of here and handed Buchanon the starting job before they'd even seen him in a practice?

Glenn should have been assured that the only way Patrick Buchanon was going to get his job was by beating him out of it soundly. Glenn should be one of our starting corners this year and Buchanon should be our nickle. That makes sense. What we have right now doesn't make any sense at all.

But then Kenny Wright leaves here and starts for Jacksonville. Marlon McCree goes to Carolina and starts for them. Is he starting? I have to confess I don't know but he's got some stats there on NFL.com that look to me like he's doing a hell of a lot more than he did when he was here. These guys can't contribute to our secondary and no attempt is made to keep them here. This goes on and on across our team in every unit. We let guys go or actively run them off and then keep other players who don't seem to be their equal.

I find myself confused by our personnel decisions to say the least.

SESupergenius
11-02-2005, 12:11 AM
And to add to that, we let Foreman go.....and then Sharper. Huh? You BOTH of our ILB go? then they move Wong over to ILB when he was doing a pretty good job at the ROLB spot. Our defense was finally starting click at the end of the season and we were maybe 1 or 2 impact players away from making this a very respectful defense. We then draft TJ in the 1st round, missing out on a chance to draft a solid offensive lineman. Ok, but since we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd on buchanon we lost at least 2 potential starters.

texan279
11-02-2005, 12:37 AM
And to add to that, we let Foreman go.....and then Sharper. Huh? You BOTH of our ILB go? then they move Wong over to ILB when he was doing a pretty good job at the ROLB spot. Our defense was finally starting click at the end of the season and we were maybe 1 or 2 impact players away from making this a very respectful defense. We then draft TJ in the 1st round, missing out on a chance to draft a solid offensive lineman. Ok, but since we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd on buchanon we lost at least 2 potential starters.

The last eight weeks of the 2004 season our defense gave up 364 yards against Denver, 398 yards to Indy, 473 yards against Green Bay, 355 yards against Tennessee, 360 yards against the Jets, 382 yards against Indy, and 364 yards against Cleveland, and in the last 8 games our defense gave up an average of 24.5 points per game. I don't see how that puts our defense 1 or 2 players away from being respectful or consider it "clicking". And as far as drafting an offensive lineman, 3 linemen were taken in the 1st round of the last draft, two are playing RT and one playing LG. And as far as Foreman being let go, as far as I know, he is still unemployed after being cut by the Raiders.

BigBull17
11-02-2005, 01:54 PM
I have mixed feelings about P-buc. He showed no heart earlyier in the year but he has began to actually bring a hit. Dunta is really rubbing off on him in a good way. Im not ready to ditch him for being burned in our coverage sceame (?) because even Dunta gets hurt in it. We have a pathetic zone coverage when our corners are most likly better on an island. This shows once again that our coaching staff has no flexability in the game plan and cant use our players strengths to our advantage.

SESupergenius
11-02-2005, 02:07 PM
The last eight weeks of the 2004 season our defense gave up 364 yards against Denver, 398 yards to Indy, 473 yards against Green Bay, 355 yards against Tennessee, 360 yards against the Jets, 382 yards against Indy, and 364 yards against Cleveland, and in the last 8 games our defense gave up an average of 24.5 points per game. I don't see how that puts our defense 1 or 2 players away from being respectful or consider it "clicking". And as far as drafting an offensive lineman, 3 linemen were taken in the 1st round of the last draft, two are playing RT and one playing LG. And as far as Foreman being let go, as far as I know, he is still unemployed after being cut by the Raiders.
I was basing it more on the last 4 games against Jacksonville, Bears, and Colts. The Browns game was just miserable all around, but the defense had 2 interceptions and allowed only 1 TD. We shut out the Jags, allowed 5 points against the Bears and played the Colts in of our closets games against them. So yes, I thought they were starting to come into their own and was hoping we would draft a couple of defensive guys. One would be a impact starter and the other a solid depth player. That all went out the window when we didn't sign our guys back and we let go of a couple of veterans. Addition by subtraction.....whoopee, I love that.

texan279
11-02-2005, 11:44 PM
And to add to that, we let Foreman go.....and then Sharper. Huh? You BOTH of our ILB go? then they move Wong over to ILB when he was doing a pretty good job at the ROLB spot. Our defense was finally starting click at the end of the season and we were maybe 1 or 2 impact players away from making this a very respectful defense. We then draft TJ in the 1st round, missing out on a chance to draft a solid offensive lineman. Ok, but since we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd on buchanon we lost at least 2 potential starters.

Just watched the replay of the Jags Rams game and thank God we did not draft Alex Barron. He had 5 penalties in ONE quarter, and 3 penalties in a row on the same drive and I saw him get beat by the defender several times.

infantrycak
11-03-2005, 02:06 AM
For all those debating the underthrown ball, Buchanon got a lucky finger on it, etc. ESPN Classic just had an end-zone cam of the last play of the Texans-Browns game. That ball was spot on and Buchanon made a hugely athletic play to get it. Give him his due for that play--he has been picked on a bunch this season, but on that play, he came up not just average, but huge (he out jumped Bryant by a mile). Doesn't matter how down on someone you are, when they come up big they deserve their praise.

Now, P-Buc, make it a consistant performance and you may, big may, be worth giving up Odell Thurman and Richie Icognito.

outofhnd
11-03-2005, 03:08 AM
LOL faggins and P Buch One get burnt because hes watching the qb too much the other gets picked on because he doesnt look back enough. I think P Buch is making strides in learning the scheme... But he still has bad judgement he jumps routes at the wrong time, and gives the reciever way to much cushion at other times. I think since he was normally lined up against the deep threat rec. He needs to really get physical with them on the Jam I think alot of his problems, would go away if he can get in the receiver's head. but he is playing for the INT and not the incompletion so basically he gets the first look by offenses because they know he is over aggressive at trying to make a big play(int) rather than a play (tackle or deflection). If he wants to be a starter again he still has to do A TON of film study on his next asssignment and not rely on his ability. Runnin and jumping can only take you so far.. Faggins seems to lose sight of the ball and puts himself in bad positions to make a play by not looking back for the ball in time. So please Pbuch start watching films and know what your reciever is goin to do and blanket him.

texan279
11-03-2005, 03:43 AM
For all those debating the underthrown ball, Buchanon got a lucky finger on it, etc. ESPN Classic just had an end-zone cam of the last play of the Texans-Browns game. That ball was spot on and Buchanon made a hugely athletic play to get it. Give him his due for that play--he has been picked on a bunch this season, but on that play, he came up not just average, but huge (he out jumped Bryant by a mile). Doesn't matter how down on someone you are, when they come up big they deserve their praise.

Now, P-Buc, make it a consistant performance and you may, big may, be worth giving up Odell Thurman and Richie Icognito.

Good post, glad I am not the only one who thinks this. It was just an awesome play by PBuch. He broke on the ball exactly when he had to and made a big play. Ball was not underthrown and PBuch was not burnt in coverage.

ccdude730
11-03-2005, 04:38 AM
also the safety bit on the decoy when the play was going to bryant. it was a quarter zone where p buch was playing to the sideline (playing against a 1st down rather than the TD since there was little under a min left).

i think he made a HUGE play no matter what anyone says. he won us that game with his athleticism. he jumped too soon but was able to tip it away and being able to recover from that - just a great play....

blame simmons for it being a real close call. not that i play the blame game though

gtexan02
11-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Why is everyone so high on Pbuch for breaking up that pass at the end of the browns game? He got beat, and barely recovered in time to get a defended pass. That is what he is supposed to do. I don't understand why this deserves so much praise/an entire article on the houstontexans.com website

Speedy
11-03-2005, 04:04 PM
Probably because it's a freaking miracle he made the play.

run-david-run
11-03-2005, 04:20 PM
Probably because it's a freaking miracle he made the play.

Has anyone acctually read the article? It says we were playing quarter zone... this means he was responsible for the outside of the field while the saftey was responsible for the middle. The safety bit on the decoy runner underneath. P-Buch made a great play becasue he was able to get over in time and cover another persons part of the field. If that is not a play worthy of reognition, I dont know what is.:texflag:

Lucky
11-03-2005, 04:39 PM
Why is everyone so high on Pbuch for breaking up that pass at the end of the browns game?
It's not just that play (which just happened to preserve the win), but the guy stepped up and made others in what had to have been his best game as a Texan.

1st Quarter
2-9-HST 9 (:58) 31-W.Green right end to HST 10 for -1 yards (51-D.Polk; 31-P.Buchanon)

Stuck his pads up against a back about 40 lbs heavier. Much better red zone effort than P-Buch showed against the Steelers.

2nd Quarter
1-10-CLV 15 (13:18) 8-T.Dilfer pass incomplete to 17-B.Edwards (31-P.Buchanon).

Blanketed the rookie WR and deflected the pass. The type of play you've hoped to see when Buchanon was lined up in man coverage.

4-2-CLV 23 (12:21) 10-K.Richardson punts 53 yards to HST 24, Center-64-R.Pontbriand. 31-P.Buchanon to HST 44 for 20 yards (59-N.Speegle, 53-M.Unck). (Punt hang time 4.1 seconds.)

Took the punt straight up the middle without a lot of fluff. Gave the Texans good field position, that was squandered.

4th Quarter

2-9-HST 38 (1:09) (Shotgun) 8-T.Dilfer pass incomplete to 86-D.Northcutt (31-P.Buchanon).

This play on the Browns final drive was huge. Dilfer had his guy on the right sideline that would have put the Browns in FG range. Phillip stuck his helmet in the WR's ribs and knocked the ball loose.

Sure, he got lucky for not getting flagged on a holding call against Bryant. But, I'd rather Buchanon pull his guy down than catch a gimme TD. P-Buch doesn't have to be perfect. He just needs to give effort every game.

I thought the trade for Buchanon was bad when it was made, and I still do. But that's over. If Phillip wants to build on this game and continue to improve, the Texans will have a legit LCB. If he doesn't, flame him next week.

nunusguy
11-03-2005, 05:38 PM
Wonder if PBs performance against the Browns will get him out of the doghouse and the nod to start against the Jags this weekend ? Faggins has not impressed in relief.

SESupergenius
11-03-2005, 05:51 PM
Ok Lucky, you've made a good point, he's had a pretty decent game. He needs to have a string of more good than bad however. He's still under a microscope.

He did however miss a play in a WR deep hook in his area this last game.....against the Browns, let's see how he does against the Jags and Colts.

The zone defense is good if we have players who know how to read an offense and we can get pressure from just 4 guys.

TexHorns
11-03-2005, 10:43 PM
It does not make me feel any better that p-buch was burnt on that play (not to mention that he judged the pass wrong) but he did recover for some redemption. He cannot expect that luck every time and he really needs to focus more. IMO that is his biggest problem no focus, because physically he has got what it takes to be a shut down corner. His tackling is still bad IMO because although i see him throw his body around at players with some success he does not wrap up very well. The burden of proof is on him over the next few weeks whether he is improving or not.

eriadoc
11-03-2005, 10:47 PM
It does not make me feel any better that p-buch was burnt on that play (not to mention that he judged the pass wrong) but he did recover for some redemption.

Does it make you feel better to know thta it really wasn't his play to make, yet he did anyway? That was the safety's responsibility, who was not where he was supposed to be. P-Buch made the play purely on athleticism because he was covering the area he was supposed to be covering.

ccdude730
11-03-2005, 10:48 PM
the reason everyone thinks he got burnt is because simmons got out of position.

Kaiser Toro
11-03-2005, 10:48 PM
It does not make me feel any better that p-buch was burnt on that play (not to mention that he judged the pass wrong) but he did recover for some redemption. He cannot expect that luck every time and he really needs to focus more. IMO that is his biggest problem no focus, because physically he has got what it takes to be a shut down corner. His tackling is still bad IMO because although i see him throw his body around at players with some success he does not wrap up very well. The burden of proof is on him over the next few weeks whether he is improving or not.

I have not seen many lucky CB's. Any luck that I have seen come their way is from the bad variety via poor calls from the referees. Their job may be the toughest on the field from a mental toughness standpoint.

ccdude730
11-03-2005, 10:49 PM
Does it make you feel better to know thta it really wasn't his play to make, yet he did anyway? That was the safety's responsibility, who was not where he was supposed to be. P-Buch made the play purely on athleticism because he was covering the area he was supposed to be covering.
your good you....fast typer person

TexHorns
11-03-2005, 11:35 PM
the reason everyone thinks he got burnt is because simmons got out of position.

Good point. You're right I didn't think of the safeties but I still think he has to alot to prove if he wants to be the starter opposite D-Rob.

ccdude730
11-03-2005, 11:50 PM
Good point. You're right I didn't think of the safeties but I still think he has to alot to prove if he wants to be the starter opposite D-Rob.
he still has alot to prove, but based on his athleticism he wont be lower than the 3rd cb. he is starting to play better than his 1st 2 games so i dont see a reason for the progression to end.

Malloy
11-04-2005, 03:21 AM
Why is everyone so high on Pbuch for breaking up that pass at the end of the browns game? He got beat, and barely recovered in time to get a defended pass. That is what he is supposed to do. I don't understand why this deserves so much praise/an entire article on the houstontexans.com website

Why does Adam Vinatieri get so much attention when he kicks that game-winning fieldgoal when he's just doing his job? Well, sometimes "doing your job" has a direct impact on the result of the game. That is how most people value players, that is, if they step up when it's win/lose situations.