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utahmark
10-29-2005, 02:05 PM
weis just signed a 10 year contract with notra dame. guess hes not gonna be the new coach.

i want kubiac now.

Coach C.
10-29-2005, 02:09 PM
smart pick markbeth. Kubiak is a solid guy.

El Tejano
10-29-2005, 02:13 PM
Man you guys are fast.

tulexan
10-29-2005, 02:14 PM
I don't think there was ever a chance he would leave ND. I'm convinced we are going to get Kubiak.

yaboycm
10-29-2005, 02:18 PM
I don't think there was ever a chance he would leave ND.

True. Just wishful thinking of *****s. Maybe we should go after Romeo in the Cleveland or Cowher in the Burgh. They might be interested. :sarcasm:

Str8tupg42k1
10-29-2005, 04:02 PM
i thought about him and it would be great if he would come but i doubt it. i can imagine houston like pittsburgh with the aggressive defense and power running game.......:drool:

it seems too farfetched but hey you never know

vtech9
10-29-2005, 04:13 PM
Prior to signing the extension, he had a low buyout on his contract.

cuppacoffee
10-29-2005, 05:00 PM
Read All About It (http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102905aab.html)

Charlies staying with the Irish. Never any doubt in my mind to begin with. :thankyou:

GO IRISH :whoohoo:

tulexan
10-29-2005, 05:22 PM
He said in the article that he wants to stay long enough for his son to replace him. Weis has way too much pride an honor to ditch his alma mater for another ring.

This guy gets more awesome each week. He is what real football is about.

utahmark
10-29-2005, 06:39 PM
This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout.

Once again, I DO think he is staying in South Bend. I am just trying to understand how this extension makes it more likely that he is staying. idonno:

just the fact that he signed an extension makes it more likely he will stay. why waiste the time if your gonna leave.

yaboycm
10-29-2005, 07:52 PM
This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout.

Once again, I DO think he is staying in South Bend. I am just trying to understand how this extension makes it more likely that he is staying. idonno:

That's hurtful. Notre Dame is showing a commitment to him and he is showing a commitment to them. He won't leave this year, but maybe in a few years, depending on what he does.

rmartin65
10-30-2005, 07:34 AM
Kubiak is a good coach.

Huge
11-02-2005, 11:24 AM
Ty Willingham had a much better start (8-0) at Notre Dame than what Weiss is going through. Where was his extension?

infantrycak
11-02-2005, 11:31 AM
Ty Willingham had a much better start (8-0) at Notre Dame than what Weiss is going through. Where was his extension?

IMO the guy on 610 am just hit the nail on the head on this. Weiss already being actively pursued for NFL head coaching jobs while Willingham was not. Basically this extension was a response to that and Pastabelly's reporting how low Weiss' contract buy-out amount was. Basically a defensive contract extension.

kbourda
11-02-2005, 12:01 PM
IMO the guy on 610 am just hit the nail on the head on this. Weiss already being actively pursued for NFL head coaching jobs while Willingham was not. Basically this extension was a response to that and Pastabelly's reporting how low Weiss' contract buy-out amount was. Basically a defensive contract extension.

Originally Posted by The Great One
"This doesn't say anything about the actual contract. All it says is that an additional 5 years were added to the original. To me, that doesn't make it any harder to buyout."

I like The Great One's point. I just don't see the justification in the extension. And as far as extensions go, I believe that Bob Davies got one as well in his first year. So really, NFL teams inquiring about a coach shouldn't be an excuse for one. I'm sure the most basic NFL franchise can purchase a Notre Dame for themselves if they wanted to badly enough. Please.

Vinny
11-02-2005, 12:16 PM
Ty Willingham had a much better start (8-0) at Notre Dame than what Weiss is going through. Where was his extension?Obviously they like what they see out of Weiss. They didn't like something about Willingham apparently. People who want to secure what they deeply appreciate make a move sometimes.

On the point about extra years, we don't know what is in the new contract so just saying that they "just" added years is probably just an assumption.

tulexan
11-02-2005, 02:25 PM
Weis has embraced Notre Dame much more than Willingham did. Weis is all about tradition and has made a point to bring back the Notre Dame legends to make sure that the team understands who they are playing for.

This also helps for recruiting because up and coming recruits will see Notre Dame as a stable situation rather than one where the coach is going to split for the NFL any year now.

Huge
11-02-2005, 02:54 PM
IMO the guy on 610 am just hit the nail on the head on this. Weiss already being actively pursued for NFL head coaching jobs while Willingham was not. Basically this extension was a response to that and Pastabelly's reporting how low Weiss' contract buy-out amount was. Basically a defensive contract extension.
If an NFL wants Weis, they're still going to buy-out his contract. This extension makes Weis the highest (or one of) paid coach in the country. Even that much is not enough to scare away the deep pockets of the NFL.

But I agree about the intent.

Obviously they like what they see out of Weiss. They didn't like something about Willingham apparently. People who want to secure what they deeply appreciate make a move sometimes.
Well whatever it is that they see in Weis, I don't see how they didn't see it in Willingham's first year.

1. He was a great PR move because he was the school's first black coach.
2. His record at this point (8-0) was better than Weiss' current record (5-2).

Personally, I think they're jumping on Weiss' bandwagon a bit prematurely. Having a solid first season (if you call getting beat at home by Michigan State "solid") guarantees nothing.

Weis has embraced Notre Dame much more than Willingham did. Weis is all about tradition and has made a point to bring back the Notre Dame legends to make sure that the team understands who they are playing for.

This also helps for recruiting because up and coming recruits will see Notre Dame as a stable situation rather than one where the coach is going to split for the NFL any year now.
Was Willingham ever considered a threat to split for the NFL at any given year? This contract extension doesn't mean Weiss won't split. It just shows the school is willing to make a committement to him...not the other way around.

tulexan
11-02-2005, 07:24 PM
I would be shocked if Charlie Weis left before his contract is up.

beerlover
11-02-2005, 10:37 PM
I would be shocked if Charlie Weis left before his contract is up.

I would be shocked if he did not leave before his contract expired :fib

Napa Auto Parts
11-02-2005, 11:47 PM
Ty Willingham had a much better start (8-0) at Notre Dame than what Weiss is going through. Where was his extension?



Well Ty Was not the right color sad but true oh and charlie is playing with TY Talent he recruited. Ty never got a fair chance

Vinny
11-02-2005, 11:58 PM
Well Ty Was not the right color sad but true oh and charlie is playing with TY Talent he recruited. Ty never got a fair chanceNo, I think it has more to do with Weiss has a dynamic, multi-faceted Pro-set offense that is alluring to recruits and Ty had an ugly sluggish offense that was hard to watch that relied on defense to win games.

tulexan
11-03-2005, 12:00 AM
Just because he used to be in the NFL does not mean that he wants to rush back. A lot of coaches find themselves in the perfect situation in college where there is no reason to leave. If you have a good team then you will continuously get great recruiting and can stay at the top for a long time. It's not like the NFL where you can be one of the top teams one year and one of the worst the next because all of your players leave through FA. Guys like Pete Carroll and Charlie Weis are in perfect situations at their respective schools. Charlie Weis has his dream job and is coaching for his alma mater. The last thing that he wants is to be villified by Notre Dame for bailing on the school to go to the NFL. And the way that I've come to know Charlie Weis from reading all of these stories about him, he is a man of honor and keeps his word. If he says that he wants to stay until his son graduates then I believe him.

Huge
11-03-2005, 09:00 AM
No, I think it has more to do with Weiss has a dynamic, multi-faceted Pro-set offense that is alluring to recruits and Ty had an ugly sluggish offense that was hard to watch that relied on defense to win games.
Stanford's offense averaged just over 35 points per game the year before he left for Notre Dame. In his first season at Notre Dame, they averaged just over 31 points per game.

Now his offense might have become sluggish after teams had time to adjust to it. But there's no guarantee the same won't happen with Weiss. Although you'd be hard pressed to convince the padres that run South Bend based on this extension.

TheOgre
11-03-2005, 10:25 AM
Well whatever it is that they see in Weis, I don't see how they didn't see it in Willingham's first year.

1. He was a great PR move because he was the school's first black coach.
2. His record at this point (8-0) was better than Weiss' current record (5-2).

Personally, I think they're jumping on Weiss' bandwagon a bit prematurely. Having a solid first season (if you call getting beat at home by Michigan State "solid") guarantees nothing.

I think there is one critical difference. Willingham's first year they were winning games with smoke and mirrors. Anyone could see they had an horrible offense. Their special teams and defense carried them. You just could tell that bubble would burst at any moment (Reminds me of the 10-1 Longhorns in 1990. Really a 7-4 quality team that managed to win the close ones.).

I would contend that his 2004 team was more talented than his first year's. I do think Notre Dame prematurely fired him. However, I think Weiss is a better coach. Obviously this is based upon limited facts, but my gut tells me he will be a good one.