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Co E-Z
10-28-2005, 08:07 PM
These guys seem to think that Mike Martz would be a good fit for the us. Personally I think the chance of us hiring him as a head coach are pretty slim and none because I think Mr. McNair would go another direction. That being said, I think Martz' career lies along the path of offensive coordinator. Just my :twocents:

mean mark8
10-29-2005, 12:20 AM
I don't think Martz's ego would allow him to accept a role lesser than head coach. I pray we aren't the ones to offer it to him. He's a nut case similar to run-n-shoot offensive coordinators who think they are right all of the time. Last time I looked, Martz's team only did really well immediately after Vermeil left him with a Super Bowl team. Soon thereafter, the demise hit. He's just in a conference where 8-8 is a playoff contender.

eriadoc
10-29-2005, 06:27 AM
A couple things just don't sit right with me regarding Martz. First, he's been reluctant to really establish the running game and they tend to get into shootouts quite a bit. As a fan, that would be fun to watch, but I'm not sure it does much more than keep the team mired in mediocrity. Second, his plays require the QB to hold onto the ball a bit longer to let the deeper routes to develop. Bulger has taken a pretty good beating behind a line that is really pretty darn superior to ours.

Regarding the run/pass ratio ... hey, Andy Reid makes it work, so who knows? Regarding the offensive philosophy ... if he fixes the line, I think Carr could thrive in a system like that. I just don't have a warm/fuzzy feeling about Martz as HC.

WWJD
10-29-2005, 08:27 AM
I don't consider him a viable candidate in Houston. Maybe a few years ago he was THE GUY people wanted but that luster wore off.

He's ill now anyway and who knows what will happen with that. He may not be able to coach anymore.

GP
10-29-2005, 12:27 PM
The guy is about 180 degrees different than Capers.

With Capers: Grab a blanket, some cookies and a glass of warm milk.

With Martz: Grab the anti-acid, and get ready to cuss all game long. He's made just as equally bad coaching decisions as Capers. AND, he's arrogant and snippy to go along with it.

The guy is no better than Capers, IMO.

And with JJ, you just have to think that you get a guy who's "been there, done that" and he'll do only as well as his talent does....and then he's done. There's no way that guy is taking a Texans HC offer. He's not into re-living his glory days, and it's probably all the best for everybody.

Right now, when I see a Jim Mora Jr. ripping up the NFL with sub-par running backs and an often-injured Vick....I gotta think that Kubiak is the next best thing that we could pick up as HC.

Today's NFL doesn't need old geezer disciplinarians like Parcells, Coughlin, and JJ. It needs young, passionate guys like Jim Mora Jr. whom the players can relate to and get along with because it's a generational thing in today's NFL.

Martz? Not for me.

OzzO
10-29-2005, 01:50 PM
St. McNair, deliver us from Capers and lead us not into a game with Martz for thine is the Texans, the tailgating, and the fans forever and ever.

Gunbuny
10-29-2005, 02:07 PM
If Mike Martz becomes our new HC, Domanick Davis had better demand a trade. If a HOF'r like Marshall Faulk can't get a lot of carries in his offense, DD is doomed for stats. Martz loses too much because he is way too quick to bail on the run. For that, we need an O-Line which we ain't got. My personal choices are Kubiak, Phillie's OC (I can't recall his name at this time), Saunders (KC's OC), heck I would consider Wade Williams if it was a bad idea to scrap the 3-4.

Coach C.
10-29-2005, 02:18 PM
martz will go to a team that wants a complete an utter difference in scheme and thought. I do not think that McNair wants that. He will look to the hometown guy and best choice Kubiak. Martz is just to big a headache, he is a TO type guy at the coaching position.

Kubiak is a hardnosed kind of guy who is an offensive coordinator with a D-coordinator smack you in the mouth attitude.

yaboycm
10-29-2005, 02:20 PM
These guys seem to think that Mike Martz would be a good fit for the us. Personally I think the chance of us hiring him as a head coach are pretty slim and none because I think Mr. McNair would go another direction. That being said, I think Martz' career lies along the path of offensive coordinator. Just my :twocents:

Nooooooooooo. Martz is probably the second worst head coach next to Dom. Do not hire this guy. His teams are always decent but never scare anyone. I hate this guy. His face just says "uhhhhhh"

tulexan
10-29-2005, 02:22 PM
Martz is garbage. I want no part of the self proclaimed offensive genius.

El Tejano
10-29-2005, 02:28 PM
Are you guys trying to kill this guy. J/K maybe just maybe, he brings Pace with him.

keyfro
10-29-2005, 02:58 PM
bring him in as a offensive coordinator...if he's made bulger a starter in the nfl just think what he can do for carr

Kaiser Toro
10-29-2005, 04:28 PM
I would not like to see him as HC, but as an OC.

Kaiser Toro
10-29-2005, 04:45 PM
Just as I don't like coaches who abandon the pass, I do not like coaches who abandon the run, especially when this coach had Marshall Faulk. I just don't like him as a coach, period. I think he has morphed into something different than he was as Dick Vermeil's OC.

I do not expect to chnage your opinion, but do agree that he has not shown himself to be a great HC partly due to his arrogance. However, life changing experiences such as the one he is going through right now tend to change one's method of opeartion. This slice of humble pie may bring back that luster.

I think that we can agree that St. Louis was arguably one of the greatest Offensive units while he was an OC.

Grid
10-29-2005, 04:48 PM
Martz will end up in Minnesota... you watch.

TexanBearkat
10-29-2005, 05:36 PM
Can't picture Martz's ego allowing him to go from HC to OC. If he brings Orlando Pace with him then I am all for him being HC.

phan1
10-30-2005, 07:15 PM
No way he fits here in Houston. We also don't have the personnel to run what he wants. Lord knows how bad we would be if DD was not allowed more than 15 carries a game.:goodnight

tulexan
10-30-2005, 07:21 PM
I do not expect to chnage your opinion, but do agree that he has not shown himself to be a great HC partly due to his arrogance. However, life changing experiences such as the one he is going through right now tend to change one's method of opeartion. This slice of humble pie may bring back that luster.

I think that we can agree that St. Louis was arguably one of the greatest Offensive units while he was an OC.

You have to wonder if that was due to him or Vermeil. When Vermeil went to KC his offense was just as potent as the Rams and he turned Holmes into a Marshall Faulk touchdown machine clone.

Ibar_Harry
10-30-2005, 07:31 PM
I think a friend of NE's head coach is in the running, but I'll let you figure out who that is..........................

Lucky
10-30-2005, 07:41 PM
I think a friend of NE's head coach is in the running, but I'll let you figure out who that is..........................
Friend of Belichick? Who, Jon Bon Jovi? In the running for what?

Vinny
10-31-2005, 10:01 AM
Martz will end up in Minnesota... you watch.Martz is the kind of coach that ends up at franchises like New Orleans and Minnesota....although Minnesota is cleaning up their franchise with their new ownership.

LBblitz
10-31-2005, 11:28 AM
Does anyone else think Holmgren would be a good fit?