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College Texan
10-28-2005, 12:40 PM
I see Capers leaving along with Pendry, Fangio and a few others. Anybody who
had input on coaching the o-line should leave, the DB's coach should leave(why do they play so soft), TE's coach should leave ( they could have done more to improve billy), WR's coach should leave (what kind of drills do they practice, I don't think any of them have to do with catching the ball), the RB coach should leave (remember how close the RB's used to line up behind carr, only bout 3-4 yards, and they still do sometimes), The conditioning coach needs to get fired, whoever is thier motivational speaker should get fired. Out of the players: Joppru
how do you tear an ACL without getting hit (cough,roids,cough) Holings-you may be good but you can't find the playing field, Wade, Miami already has another Wade so your screwed, Greenwood-you fell short of expectations, P-Buch trade him to Spain and we'll finally see you prosper as a matador. Anybody backing the O-line (if ya can't start on the worst O-line then I don't know where ya should go).................the end

Honoring Earl 34
10-28-2005, 12:48 PM
:texflag: Make the ? easy and ask who should stay .

rmartin65
10-28-2005, 12:55 PM
I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

AlexVanderpool
10-28-2005, 01:42 PM
I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.

yes, keep hoke and marchiano....unless jimmy johnson thinks otherwise :texflag:

SESupergenius
10-28-2005, 02:22 PM
If we hire a new coach, then I would much rather have him bring in his staff. Although it worked well for Parcells in Dallas, keeping other peoples staff may be a mistake.

Lucky
10-28-2005, 02:32 PM
I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.
The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.

Speaking of Dunta, he just called to remind me to come out early for the Browns game this Sunday. I see it as an omen that my favorite player would call for my support. The first win of '05 is forthcoming!

infantrycak
10-28-2005, 02:42 PM
The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.

Seems to me everyone has assumed Dunta had a great rookie year because of Hoke so they are giving Hoke unearned accolades. Maybe Dunta is good because of Dunta. Hoke hasn't convinced Marcus Coleman that he is a 210 lb guy and is actually allowed to hit people. He sure hasn't coached up Buchanon to perform to his potential. Evidently he hasn't been able to coach up 4th round (but 2nd round talent) Earl to beat out a 6th round rookie even though this should be Earl's big year of improvement. He also hasn't taught the entire secondary how to close up seems in a zone scheme so we get picked apart mercilessly. What exactly has Hoke done that is so great?

eriadoc
10-28-2005, 02:44 PM
It's hard to separate fact from fiction at this stage of the game, but I'd say Hoke has done well enough to merit a position somewhere. Obviously, Dunta has great talent, but Hoke's done a lot of work with him. I think he's also done some great work with Earl and CC Brown, neither of whom were expected to make the team, IIRC. Coleman's move to free safety has been largely overlooked because Coleman is a vet, but there's some coaching going on there as well. Buchanon is the only sore spot, really. While I think they overestimate Faggins' ability, he has improved since he's come on the team. The fact that they ranked so poorly, in terms of statistics, has more to do with the lack of QB pressue than anything else, IMO. They play zones a bit too frequently for my liking as well, which contributes to the stats. The zone coverages are a byproduct of the bend-don't-break philosophy that we play, which isn't a direct reflection of Hoke.

infantrycak
10-28-2005, 02:50 PM
What do you mean Earl was never expected to make the team? Casserly was all giddy about getting the guy that had gone into his last college year ranked as the #2 safety. Plus the Texans had what at SS?--a guy who is no longer in the league. CC maybe not, but IMO they expected Earl to make the team.

LBC_Justin
10-28-2005, 02:51 PM
The Texans defense in '04 was 31st in TD passes allowed & 31st in completion % allowed. They are 31st in completion % allowed this season. And other than Dunta, they aren't tackling well. Don't really see how Hoke deserves to stay above anyone else.
What do you expect.


Couple of things.
1. When your D-line is just pathetic at rushing the passer your Secondary is going to feel it.
2. We face Peyton Manning twice a year. That is not good for your stats.
3. Do we ever effectively blitz?

"other than Dunta" - ummmm....how many DBs are there? Not many. Plus CC Brown looks decent too.

Yes they need work, big time. But they are not even close to the worst of of the Texans problems. Start with both O & D Lines, our WRs & TE, LBs. Then you we have issues at QB (hard to tell), then I would say our DBs.

rmartin65
10-28-2005, 02:53 PM
Speaking of Dunta, he just called to remind me to come out early for the Browns game this Sunday. I see it as an omen that my favorite player would call for my support. The first win of '05 is forthcoming!
Dunta called you? Thats so cool!!!

Lucky
10-28-2005, 02:55 PM
It was pre-recorded for season ticket holders. Still, pretty cool. :)

What do you expect.
Well most of all, I expect them to make tackles. Not shy away. Your point of the lack of a pass rush is a good one. But what does that have to do with tackling the man with the ball?

I'm just not real impressed with any of the Texans coaches this season.

profan
10-28-2005, 03:06 PM
I think the DB coach should stay. Hoke was good last year.
I believe he was the main reason we got Patrick Buchanon. Based on that alone, he should go. He's done nothing to improve our secondary. Clean House.

ArlingtonTexan
10-28-2005, 03:09 PM
When a team is 0-6 , never held a lead with the worst defense and offense in the league, not one person is immune from firing. there will be some suvivors, but in total organizational meltdown situation no job should safe.

mean mark8
10-28-2005, 03:14 PM
The only thing I think about CC Brown is that he's played above his 5th round selection. I do not believe he is a starting caliber SS in the NFL. He gets run over by RBs and messes up in coverage. Earl was hurt early on and for some reason the coaches fell in love w/ Brown. He may play with a lot of effort but I want results. Anyone who wants to say he's only a rookie, I say let's start a guy with more experience plus great potential, Earl.

I just got the recorded message from Robinson too, asking me to come to the game. Sounds like more desparation from a sinking ship. When they have to get their only player who's seemed to play up to his potential for the year to call people who already own tickets to get you to come to a game where we're picked to win, it's almost like begging.

MorKnolle
10-28-2005, 04:01 PM
Hoke and Oden (the DB coaches) should stay as that's been one of the few consistent bright spots on our team in the last couple years.
I don't have much of a problem with Chick Harris or Kippy Brown (RB and WR coaches) or Mike London (DL coach), so depending on the new head coaching staff that will likely come in we could hang on to them too.

MorKnolle
10-28-2005, 04:02 PM
I see Capers leaving along with Pendry, Fangio and a few others. Anybody who
had input on coaching the o-line should leave, the DB's coach should leave(why do they play so soft), TE's coach should leave ( they could have done more to improve billy), WR's coach should leave (what kind of drills do they practice, I don't think any of them have to do with catching the ball), the RB coach should leave (remember how close the RB's used to line up behind carr, only bout 3-4 yards, and they still do sometimes), The conditioning coach needs to get fired, whoever is thier motivational speaker should get fired. Out of the players: Joppru
how do you tear an ACL without getting hit (cough,roids,cough) Holings-you may be good but you can't find the playing field, Wade, Miami already has another Wade so your screwed, Greenwood-you fell short of expectations, P-Buch trade him to Spain and we'll finally see you prosper as a matador. Anybody backing the O-line (if ya can't start on the worst O-line then I don't know where ya should go).................the end

This post has some of the most ignorant opinions I've seen on any of these boards.

gbank54
10-28-2005, 04:07 PM
FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!! Fire any coaches, motivational speakers, even the damn trainers....Lets start fresh and new and find someone who can MAKE these guys play. I think our players have potential, but no one to make it show. :texans: :texflag:

MorKnolle
10-28-2005, 04:12 PM
The players have lost any fire that they once had and Hoke and then the DL guys are some of the few people that still play with heart and fire and I think those coaches do a pretty good job anyways so I would say keep them around. I think the RB and WR coaches are ok, but keeping them depends entirely on what system we have next year.

As far as players go, I would definitely keep David Carr, Domanick Davis, Vernand Morency, Moran Norrs, Andre Johnson, Jabar Gaffney, Jerome Mathis, Derrick Armstrong, Robaire Smith, Seth Payne, Antwan Peek, Dunta Robinson, and CC Brown. These picks are disregarding any salary cap obligations we would have to keep to any other players that we would cut and is going strictly on how they are playing and whether they would be worth keeping around for a new system that is brought in.

College Texan
10-28-2005, 04:31 PM
I'm just trying to say, these players have great talent which I think is not being refined through coaching, I think the staff also does not make the players feel any good about thier strong points and insist that they play to what their system ask for. Also I got carried away on the player evaluations, but I just don't see any place for them on the team, I would want to have durable players with potential. The NFL doesn't give ppl many chances, we are giving some players too much opportunity which they can't even show casue they are injured or don't have the depth to cut them. Remember the Patriots, it seems whenever one of their players gets injured they have a backup who can play his strongpoints and not get thier weakpoints exposed, Randall Gay, and I bet the Pats don't put up with inconsisitency.

CowboysTexansFan
10-28-2005, 05:54 PM
Casserly has to be among those who are thrown under the bus. He is totally incompetent.

Nawzer
10-28-2005, 06:07 PM
You'll see the fans leaving if this team doesn't improve next year.

Bassinguy
10-28-2005, 08:47 PM
Hoke and Oden (the DB coaches) should stay as that's been one of the few consistent bright spots on our team in the last couple years.
I don't have much of a problem with Chick Harris or Kippy Brown (RB and WR coaches) or Mike London (DL coach), so depending on the new head coaching staff that will likely come in we could hang on to them too.
What have they done as far as WR coaches? I see receivers who couldn't find their butts with both hands when Carr finds time to deliver the ball and a defender is close. There are a couple of exceptions, but not many. Again---clean house. And who is making the decisions on who to play? The receiver with the best hands sits on the sidelines, while futility reigns on the field. I'm reasonably sure I'm not the only one who sees this. Speaking of the DL, they're still not getting any pressure on the QB. Let Peek pin his ears back and attack about 50 per cent of the time, instead of sitting back and waiting. They cut Aaron Glenn to bring in Buchanon. Now that was a real good move. Aaron had lost a step, but he had the guts to hit someone.

D-ReK
10-28-2005, 09:05 PM
Everyone, with the exception of Chick Harris and possibly Mike London, should be gone after this season...If whoever we hire as HC decides their not worthy of keeping their jobs, then so be it...

edo783
10-28-2005, 09:34 PM
All but Hoak, IMO.

Vinny
10-29-2005, 02:04 AM
You'll see the fans leaving if this team doesn't improve next year.Those aren't really fans...anyone that will dump the team based on record are only in it for the fashion. Real fans know teams have down years and grasp the fact that not every plan goes well for football teams - and real fans of the NFL understand this.

The new Coach will bring in a new staff.