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Co E-Z
10-26-2005, 10:58 PM
Why is Vernand Morency keeping the bench from flying in the air? We are simply wasting this guy's talent. DD cannot continue to carry the ball more than 20 times a game because DD is just not built to handle a load like that. The one time VM gets in on offense, what do we do? Line him up at receiver and throw him a hitch pass? Made absolutely no sense! I say the guy needs to touch the ball 8-10 times a game out of the running back position. Not taking anything away from DD because he is a tougher runner who breaks lots of tackles but VM is a more explosive back and is much quicker to the hole.I beleive they could be a formidable 1-2 rb tandem. They are letting this guy rot on the sidelines. Hey, lame duck coaches get this guy incorporated into the offense ASAP! You old heads tell me what is going on.

wenskek
10-27-2005, 12:06 AM
i like your thought, and the same goes for armstrong as well.

THEFUTURE
10-27-2005, 12:58 AM
when your team only runs about 40 to 50 plays a game... its not likely that 10 of em are going to Morency

TheOgre
10-27-2005, 09:59 AM
I think the new coaching staff may have to re-evaluate all of the offensive skill positions. I think AJ is the only one safe. They will have to take a look at Carr, Ragone, Banks, DD, Morency, Hollings, Wells, Mathis, Gaffney, Armstrong, Joppru, Murphy, Norris, etc. (I'm assuming Bradford is down and out after this season). Roles may get redefined. I think Carr will get the nod going into next year and if he still struggles, he will be traded before the 2007 season.

Vinny
10-27-2005, 10:11 AM
I think our staff is horrible at spotting talent and how to use what they have. That said, Dom Davis is solid and needs to get most of the touches at this stage in both of their careers. I'd like to see Morency in there like the Chiefs use Larry Johnson...but our offense is so crappy we can't pass so we don't have long drives....so Davis doesn't need a break. We have got to be able to pass before we can start to have longer drives necessitating Morency being worked in. I would love to see him in the mix as well. I feel he can be a starter in this league. He has great explosion and cutting ability....but as long as we throw for 84 net yards a game we won't see much more than what we have been seeing.

Honoring Earl 34
10-27-2005, 10:40 AM
:tv: You know who's the best at that Vinny . The Steelers they can see something in a player and they will make it fit into their smashmouth system .

rmartin65
10-27-2005, 02:28 PM
Morency could be a good back. The Texans just dont get enough offensive plays to try different players.

El Tejano
10-27-2005, 02:34 PM
Well I did like when i saw them go long to Morency. He actually almost made the grab. I thought to myself, now wouldn't it be nice if this guy could be the kind of back that can go out and catch Thurman Thomas type passes where he would go long for Jim Kelly. Then I remembered our offense is nowhere near there.

However, it would be nice to see that draft pick work since Morency is our value we got for the famous Drew Henson pick.

Malloy
10-27-2005, 03:24 PM
Yes please let us see 5-10 touches to Morency, at least we might succeed in confusing the opponents a bit ?

eriadoc
10-27-2005, 03:27 PM
I think, at this point, they really should run some designed plays to Mathis and Morency, if only to get a better idea of what we have in those two.

Then again, that would imply that a.) this coaching staff can design plays toward a player's strengths, and b.) they could evaluate the results correctly.

Kaiser Toro
10-27-2005, 03:34 PM
I like Morency as well and would not mind see him getting more touches. There must be somehting up in the water in Stillwater as they have put out some backs.

Goldeagle
10-27-2005, 04:47 PM
Id rather see Wells get the ball more. Big back, worked his butt off and deserves a shot

Morency did not impress me vs. 3rd string defenses in Pre season where he had one good run and 9 bad runs.

TheOgre
10-27-2005, 05:39 PM
Remember Van Gundy's first year with the Rockets? He didn't make many moves and he evaluated the talent then made a ton of changes before the next season? I wonder if that will be the case with a new staff. I'm sure the choice of defensive scheme will also have a bering on that.

GP
10-27-2005, 05:54 PM
This coaching staff is stuck in one gear: First.

We have explosive players (Morency, Mathis, DD, Carr, AJ) and a coaching philosophy that tries to pound the ball all day long.

Think what we'd be like if we didn't have a zone blocking scheme that compliments DD's running style (the short, choppy, mis-direction style)?

We'd be getting goose-egged every game.

mean mark8
10-27-2005, 06:15 PM
I don't get why we lined him up at wide receiver. Weren't Mathis and Armstrong available to play? Are you telling me that a rookie RB can play the wide receiver position better than a veteran and a rookie WR that supposedly keeps taking great strides in his route running abilities? If I recall correctly, the WR position is tough to step into as a rookie because of the different defenses you see, etc. so why line up a rookie RB at wide out when we have to able bodied players who have played the position for years? Morency must be a better WR than Mathis, that's why we line him up out there.:shrug:

aliaspgk
10-27-2005, 06:45 PM
Morency passed Babin as the most inexcusable draft pick we have ever made. We had so many holes we needed to address, O line, OLB (and ILB for that matter), SS, Tight End...and with a 3rd rounder we draft a career backup at the one spot you could say (cautiously) that we have a little bit of depth in Wells and Davis. I was absoultely horrified when I saw this pick and am still horrified when I see Casserly talk about it. This is nothing against Morency either, Im sure he could be effective, except for the fact that hes already almost 27, but this was one of the most irresponsible picks we have ever made.

Goldeagle
10-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Amen Alias, what a wasted pick! Wells is a decent back (had a 100 yard game) and has worked his butt off, got into shape and can punish people trying to tackle him.

YET, another stupid draft pick by Casserly and/or Capers.

Vinny
10-27-2005, 10:31 PM
I thought Morency was one of our better value picks. He was a second round talent we got with a 3rd rounder....he's a better back than JJ Arrington who was taken early in the 2nd round.

Fiddy
10-27-2005, 10:36 PM
Amen Alias, what a wasted pick! Wells is a decent back (had a 100 yard game) and has worked his butt off, got into shape and can punish people trying to tackle him.

YET, another stupid draft pick by Casserly and/or Capers. Wells can punish people??? Does he do that before or after he turns he back to the defender who is about to tackle him???


And when you run the ball as much as we do, you need a stable of backs. No one got on the Eagles when they had the Staley, Westbrook, Buckhalter trio...

aliaspgk
10-28-2005, 01:56 AM
A value pick eh? Value is upside and potential...while you have all the holes on your team I mentioned you use your 3rd rounder, someone who should have a great chance to make an impact on your team, to draft a 26 year old running back who has below average speed and who will maybe just maybe work his way into being a posession back by the time hes 29. DD's contract has several more years and Morency will never ever be a feature back on a good team, he has neither the talent or speed so dont pretend that he ever will be. Where is the value in that? You say there is value because some scouts had him ranked as a second round prospect, but we are buliding a franchise and the last thing we needed with that pick was a freakin back up running back...we didnt draft Cadillac Williams here...its Vernand Morency-a 3rd round back for a reason. GM's get so caught up in "value" or position picks that they horribly ignore what their team really needs when they see a name on the board that they thought should be gone already. So many holes...and we get Vernand Morency. Awful.

beerlover
10-28-2005, 02:50 AM
I thought Morency was one of our better value picks. He was a second round talent we got with a 3rd rounder

Morency does not explode between the tackles and will never be effective because he does not run north and south, he prefeers to slide & cut to the back side attempting to outrun defenders which at this level is very difficult unless you have great speed. Not to mention Vernand is not a good blocker or protect the ball very well.

I wish the Texans would have passed on him and taken the best offensive lineman available instead and address this need like they said they would. Nick Kaczur (selected by New England #100) looks good to me at the LT position. or Evan Mathis (selected by Carolina #79) as our RG.

Thinking he should have been a 2d rd pick is, well your opinion I guess maybe Arizona should have selected him instead of Arrington if they're hearts where set on taking a RB, but I would much rather have a bruser like Eric Shelton than either of them. My thinking says that Morency is a little too much like Davis without the toughness, the great hands and ball protection and DD was a 4th rd pick:cool:

Vinny
10-28-2005, 02:54 AM
Value picks > better than picking for need and getting average talent when you can get special talent at another position. Taking lame players who grade lower to fill holes just gets you guys like Jay Foreman and Matt Stevens....or Fred Weary and Charles Hill (a couple of our 3rd rounders who were need picks)
Morency does not explode between the tackles and will never be effective because he does not run north and south, he prefeers to slide & cut to the back side attempting to outrun defenders which at this level is very difficult unless you have great speed. Not to mention Vernand is not a good blocker or protect the ball very well. He is extremely explosive and is known for his running inside the tackle box. You just have a small sample size here and you people are incredibly judgmental with some players like Morency who have yet to get any meaningful time but you guys think David Carr still needs more games to show his potential although he has 50 NFL starts. I wish you guys were more consistent and fairer to the new players who are waiting their turn to serve us fans. Morency was one of the better blockers as a back in spring drills and received high praise from multiple people.

Morency article (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/3293857)

Im worried/have been worried that the Morency pick was one of the dumbest inconcievable picks in our short draft history. No one seems to be decrying this pick as much as I have...it was completely irresponsible for Casserly to draft a carbon copy of john wells-a heavy 4.8 running back who is 26 no less when we had a chance at some sound o linemen, outside linebackers or heaven forbid a good tight end that in our scheme could be carrs best friend in short dump routes. So many holes and we draft a 3rd string running back with little upside.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=173531#post173531
You can type it but that doesn't make you accurate. I think you have no credibility if you think Morency and Wells are carbon copies. Wells is 40 pounds heavier than Morency and a totally different kind of running back.

ledzeppelin229
10-28-2005, 03:37 AM
Regardless of who we draft....Capers will find a way for them to suck. Anyone that actually seems to play decent, must be an incredible player since this staff has a knack for bringing out the worst.

touttail
10-28-2005, 06:43 AM
I think our staff is horrible at spotting talent and how to use what they have. .

Also, it seems that opposing coaches can find a weakness and make some good adjustments at halftime and our coaching staff can't seem to do this. They come out the second half doing the same ole crap!


bobby 119C:brickwall

beerlover
10-28-2005, 11:53 AM
Also, it seems that opposing coaches can find a weakness and make some good adjustments at halftime and our coaching staff can't seem to do this. They come out the second half doing the same ole crap!

great point about the Texans lack of ability to make game time adjustments.

Now back to Morency-

He is extremely explosive and is known for his running inside the tackle box. You just have a small sample size here and you people are incredibly judgmental with some players like Morency who have yet to get any meaningful time but you guys think David Carr still needs more games to show his potential although he has 50 NFL starts. I wish you guys were more consistent and fairer to the new players who are waiting their turn to serve us fans. Morency was one of the better blockers as a back in spring drills and received high praise from multiple people.

EXTREMELY EXPLOSIVE? Where, When & How? Look maybe Vernand is a late bloomer after all he is only about 6 months younger than David Carr & David the one you love to bash, has already been a starter in the league four years. If Morency is such a good blocker then he should have been in there picking up those blitzes on Carr, yeah right! I've seen enough to know that his field of vision is limited and he does not have outstanding speed to make up for poor angles and superior NFL defenders than at OSU. I just don't see the poor man's Barry Sanders in him like you do. Granted, I won't know for sure until Davis gets hurt & he gets the playing time but the Texans need some infusion of young talent on the offensive line and they waited until the 5th rd to address it & guess what he is starting and Morency is not. The Texans have RB's yet to be used/Hollings and seldom used/Wells meanwhile both the linemen (Kaczur & Mathis) are good looking building blocks for their respective teams future lines.

If Morency is the answear then why don't the Texans just admit they made a mistake picking Hollings?

Kaiser Toro
10-28-2005, 12:08 PM
great point about the Texans lack of ability to make game time adjustments.

Now back to Morency-



EXTREMELY EXPLOSIVE? Where, When & How? Look maybe Vernand is a late bloomer after all he is only about 6 months younger than David Carr & David the one you love to bash, has already been a starter in the league four years. If Morency is such a good blocker then he should have been in there picking up those blitzes on Carr, yeah right! I've seen enough to know that his field of vision is limited and he does not have outstanding speed to make up for poor angles and superior NFL defenders than at OSU. I just don't see the poor man's Barry Sanders in him like you do. Granted, I won't know for sure until Davis gets hurt & he gets the playing time but the Texans need some infusion of young talent on the offensive line and they waited until the 5th rd to address it & guess what he is starting and Morency is not. The Texans have RB's yet to be used/Hollings and seldom used/Wells meanwhile both the linemen (Kaczur & Mathis) are good looking building blocks for their respective teams future lines.

If Morency is the answear then why don't the Texans just admit they made a mistake picking Hollings?

Not sure Vinny is privy to provide that answer for the Texan's front office. But will an admission of that mistake placate your frustration for the Mornecy pick? I think most agree that the Oline should have been addressed, but to blast a rookie, that was indeed a value pick, before he gets his time to shine and was a possible front office sanfu I believe is misdirected.

Test Account
10-28-2005, 12:17 PM
EXTREMELY EXPLOSIVE? Where, When & How? Look maybe Vernand is a late bloomer after all he is only about 6 months younger than David Carr & David the one you love to bash, has already been a starter in the league four years. If Morency is such a good blocker then he should have been in there picking up those blitzes on Carr, yeah right! I comment on Carr's 50 games as a starter. You make judgements on some practice games and two carries in the NFL - 6 games deep into Morency's career backing up Dom Davis. I'd consider that a bit different.

There is no shame in backing up Dom Davis. Perhaps you would feel better if we drafted another 3rd round Charles Hill instead....he was a need pick you know.

- vinny (testing...still testing)

mean mark8
10-28-2005, 12:28 PM
Not sure Vinny is privy to provide that answer for the Texan's front office. But will an admission of that mistake placate your frustration for the Mornecy pick? I think most agree that the Oline should have been addressed, but to blast a rookie, that was indeed a value pick, before he gets his time to shine and was a possible front office sanfu I believe is misdirected.

As far as the Morency pick, I too wondered what they were doing. When I have seen him run, he seems to like to dance a lot rather than accelerate through the holes. While he did have some long runs in the preseason, the holes he had were huge. When he gets into tight spaces, he leaves his feet quite often to dive or try to jump out of the way. While this may work in college, it doesn't do much in the NFL except get you pushed back. I have yet to see him power through an arm tackle or bulldoze a defensive player backwards. I also do not believe that he is picking up his blocking assignments well either which is why Wells has passed him on the depth chart. IMO, we have another Tony Hollings with Morency. Again, the Texans have struck out in every year with their number 3 pick IMO and the only #2 that is reasonably ok is Gaffney, although 116 receptions for 1,517 yards through 3 1/2 years is not exemplary for the 33rd overall pick.

TheOgre
10-28-2005, 01:10 PM
Morency is an explosive back that can run inside or outside. Last year he ran all over Texas. The guy has skills similar to DD's but he is faster. I would not be surprised if the new coaching staff takes a serious look at him next year.