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thefuture17
10-23-2005, 03:01 PM
Ok who do you guys blame for the loss of this game.You can blame Carr a lil i guess but not alo becuase he made some nice running plays in the first half and only threw the ball 9 times and yuo have to throw the ball alot more if you want to win.You cant really blame the line because as bad as they are this was there best game of the year.So who to blame well i blame the coaches bad playcalling not enough passes and after all those running plays they didnt use the playaction pass to the fullest so thats who i blame who do you????

BuffSoldier
10-23-2005, 03:03 PM
Defense
Coaches
Pass Protection
Carr
The Indianapollis Colts

Napa Auto Parts
10-23-2005, 03:04 PM
i blame everyone except david carr i mean david can do no wrong

buckaroo_banzai
10-23-2005, 03:06 PM
Defense
Coaches
Pass Protection
Carr
The Indianapollis Colts

i agree except for the coaching.....it should be #1

GP
10-23-2005, 03:06 PM
I blame the fans.

All you $%#@! fair-weather fans are making me sick!

Oh, sorry...I've been on the receiving end of that kind of comment so much that I think I am buying into it.

In short: The answer is as plain as the fly buzzing in and out of Capers mouth.

bigcarlos
10-23-2005, 03:12 PM
1) Bob Mcnair- He should of fired Capers by now
2) Carr- i shouldnt have to explain

bckey
10-23-2005, 03:14 PM
1-Coaching
2-Offensive line
3-Defense
4-Carr
5-Injuries

thefuture17
10-23-2005, 03:20 PM
Do you think we need a new QB i sure as hell dont.He didnt play that great today but he doesnt exactly have the most weapons in the world to use and if they get the oline better for next year i see superbowl contenders and an Mvp candaite at QB

bigcarlos
10-23-2005, 03:21 PM
McNair should fire himself. He's known that they've had a problem protecting the QB since year 1, that the coach is a joke. He's done nothing. Everyone is laughing at him, not the team.

Everyone I know is laughing at the team :embarrass

thefuture17
10-23-2005, 03:24 PM
Hello...thank you. It's about time someone said something.
said somethign about what?????
are you being sarcastic

bigcarlos
10-23-2005, 03:25 PM
if they get the oline better for next year i see superbowl contenders and an Mvp candaite at QB
I think we have heard that before many times :pigfly:

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:26 PM
Lets go with:

Coaching
Pass Blocking
Injuries

All things considered, I think the D played very well. The final score may not show it, but they put pressure on Manning and caused turnovers. If we only had an offense that could give our D a break, things would be pretty good right about.

On a side note, will we finally stop hearing all this bring back JJ, Swinton, and every other KR/WR we have ever had?

AlbinoRat
10-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Maybe instead of finding someone to blame, which I'm sure the team is doing, we should being fixing whats gone wrong...Oh wait, everything seems to go wrong. Just ride it out. It'll all be over soon

Porky
10-23-2005, 03:33 PM
I lay this right at the feet of Bob Mcnair. He hired the people who have failed him, and ultiumately, he is responsible. The buck stops here. :texans:

Honch Delgado
10-23-2005, 03:34 PM
JEROME MATHIS! He should have scored on every return. ONLY JOKING! This guy is good and once he gets 100% healthy we'll have no need for Bradford. Who is to blame: Coaching, the scheme, Carr, defense, o-line; take your pick.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:37 PM
Please...our D is to blame as much as coaching, o-line, Carr. Thank bloody hell for Mathis though.

Yeah they did so terrible. :ok: Finally caused turnovers. Kept the team in game until they ran out gas, thanks to being on the field all day. Whatever. You can be down on the team as a whole, I am not. I think the D played well.

utahmark
10-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Yeah they did so terrible. :ok: Finally caused turnovers. Kept the team in game until they ran out gas, thanks to being on the field all day. Whatever. You can be down on the team as a whole, I am not. I think the D played well.


they might not be on the field all day if they freaking stop someone. wasnt that a 14 play drive to open the second half.

Scott747
10-23-2005, 03:51 PM
The D is not in as bad shape as the offense. Do they need help, or course. With a new scheme and the "right" free agents, it can be corrected quickly.

The offense though is no better, and in fact worse than the night we snapped the ball against Dallas. It is imperative that we give Carr a few games off, not making it sound as a benching but more to protect his future if we are in fact going to keep him. Free agent and decent draft choices would be a start, along with a new coaching staff.

Porky
10-23-2005, 03:53 PM
Yeah they did so terrible. :ok: Finally caused turnovers. Kept the team in game until they ran out gas, thanks to being on the field all day. Whatever. You can be down on the team as a whole, I am not. I think the D played well.

Dude, take the homer glasses off. This defense is terrible. Simply awful. I will give them a D+ because of the turnovers. If it wasn't for that, it would be an F. They made some progress today in the turnover area, and put at least some pressure on Manning, but to say they played well tells me you either a) no nothing about football or b) or a serious homer with nothing but homer takes and no real insight.

Bubbajwp
10-23-2005, 03:53 PM
I blame everybody from the waterboy to Mr McNair himself. They all suck.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:53 PM
Well guess what...They're the best we have. Better then the O and, so far, better then special teams. I dont understand, if you guys dispise the team so much, change the channel and stop posting. Like all your crying about everything being so bad is going to do anything? Would you prefer no team at all? This use to be a good fan MB, turned into a bunch of trolls. I'm through with you "fans".

utahmark
10-23-2005, 03:54 PM
The D is not in as bad shape as the offense. Do they need help, or course. With a new scheme and the "right" free agents, it can be corrected quickly.

The offense though is no better, and in fact worse than the night we snapped the ball against Dallas. It is imperative that we give Carr a few games off, not making it sound as a benching but more to protect his future if we are in fact going to keep him. Free agent and decent draft choices would be a start, along with a new coaching staff.


how many times did ind punt today. or seatle last week. this defense is horrible. they didnt keep us in the game. the colts came out in the 3rd and scored td's everytime they touched the ball.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:55 PM
Dude, take the homer glasses off. This defense is terrible. Simply awful. I will give them a D+ because of the turnovers. If it wasn't for that, it would be an F. They made some progress today in the turnover area, and put at least some pressure on Manning, but to say they played well tells me you either a) no nothing about football or b) or a serious homer with nothing but homer takes and no real insight.

I said they played well, not the second coming of the Steel Curtain. Ask yourself this, is this the best game the D has played? Did the improve over last week? Atleast somewhat?

Porky
10-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Well guess what...They're the best we have. Better then the O and, so far, better then special teams. I dont understand, if you guys dispise the team so much, change the channel and stop posting. Like all your crying about everything being so bad is going to do anything? Would you prefer no team at all? This use to be a good fan MB, turned into a bunch of trolls. I'm through with you "fans".

Who said we despise the team? If you equate loving the team with putting up with the BS we are seeing on the field, and in the FO, you are just plain wrong. Calling it like you see it has nothing to do with whether I love the team or not. Don't question my loyalty. I lived through the 81-84 Oilers, and listened or watched every minute of it. Did you?

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:58 PM
Who said we despise the team? If you equate loving the team with putting up with the BS we are seeing on the field, and in the FO, you are just plain wrong. Calling it like you see it has nothing to do with whether I love the team or not. Don't question my loyalty. I lived through the 81-84 Oilers, and listened or watched every minute of it. Did you?

Whoopty do, you lived through the 81-84 Oilers. That gives you a pass the rest of your life to complain about watching bad football? I know its bad, you know its bad, everyone knows its bad.

utahmark
10-23-2005, 03:58 PM
Well guess what...They're the best we have. Better then the O and, so far, better then special teams. I dont understand, if you guys dispise the team so much, change the channel and stop posting. Like all your crying about everything being so bad is going to do anything? Would you prefer no team at all? This use to be a good fan MB, turned into a bunch of trolls. I'm through with you "fans".


the team did good today we showed some improvement. we were in the game for 2 and 1/2 quarters. does this bs make me a better fan. everyone still on this mb is a pretty loyal fan. we are just frustrated and we are not gonna say the team is playing well when they are not. if telling the truth makes us not fans then, oh well.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 03:59 PM
the team did good today we showed some improvement. we were in the game for 2 and 1/2 quarters. does this bs make me a better fan. everyone still on this mb is a pretty loyal fan. we are just frustrated and we are not gonna say the team is playing well when they are not. if telling the truth makes us not fans then, oh well.

Thats not what I'm saying at all. I said the D played well. Improved over last weeks game. Thats it. I'm just a frustrated as everyone else.

Porky
10-23-2005, 04:00 PM
I said they played well, not the second coming of the Steel Curtain. Ask yourself this, is this the best game the D has played? Did the improve over last week? Atleast somewhat?

They gave up 38 points today. I guess a case could be made based on the two turnovers, but to say the D played well after giving up 38 points is laughable, and just shows how low we have sunk. Giving up 38 points now qualifies as "good" on this team.
:wacko:

Scott747
10-23-2005, 04:01 PM
how many times did ind punt today. or seatle last week. this defense is horrible. they didnt keep us in the game. the colts came out in the 3rd and scored td's everytime they touched the ball.

Mark,

I'm not saying that the D is good, but they can be turned around much quicker than the O.

As far as how they played, it does begin to transcend somewhat to how horrible the O plays.

Porky
10-23-2005, 04:02 PM
Whoopty do, you lived through the 81-84 Oilers. That gives you a pass the rest of your life to complain about watching bad football? I know its bad, you know its bad, everyone knows its bad.

Well then we are in agreement. Call a spade a spade, and take off the rose colored glasses.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 04:03 PM
They gave up 38 points today. I guess a case could be made based on the two turnovers, but to say the D played well after giving up 38 points is laughable, and just shows how low we have sunk. Giving up 38 points now qualifies as "good" on this team.
:wacko:

Correction 31, the other 7 they did not give up. 14 in the first half, when the O played well. So lets see, O plays well the D looks average. O doesnt move the ball the 2nd half, and the D looks terrible. And I'm the wacko?

utahmark
10-23-2005, 04:05 PM
Mark,

I'm not saying that the D is good, but they can be turned around much quicker than the O.

As far as how they played, it does begin to transcend somewhat to how horrible the O plays.


im not sure i agree. i think with a couple of lineman and aj back the offense might be alright next year(all depends on carr). but the defense is in worse shape. we need a corner 3 linebackers and maybe another lineman. plus im not sure coleman shouldnt be replaced.

Porky
10-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Correction 31, the other 7 they did not give up. 14 in the first half, when the O played well. So lets see, O plays well the D looks average. O doesnt move the ball the 2nd half, and the D looks terrible. And I'm the wacko?

The last time I checked, the defenses job is to stop the other team from scoring. Maybe there is some new definition of excellence you could enlighten us with.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 04:07 PM
While we're defining our team, whats our O suppose to do? They're the main problem, not the D.

Telling stat of the game, TOP:

T o P by Quarter 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Total
Indianapolis Colts 8:28 4:03 11:08 9:40 33:19
Houston Texans 6:32 10:57 3:52 5:20 26:41

Scott747
10-23-2005, 04:11 PM
im not sure i agree. i think with a couple of lineman and aj back the offense might be alright next year(all depends on carr). but the defense is in worse shape. we need a corner 3 linebackers and maybe another lineman. plus im not sure coleman shouldnt be replaced.


Good points.

What it will come down to is what is really available not only in free agency, but the draft. It may come down to us trading that 1st or 2nd pick to get some needed skilled players.

vtech9
10-23-2005, 04:13 PM
overall, the D wasn't that bad. It seemed like they gave up in the 4th. To me it was like they were thinking "If our QB isn't going to give us a chance to win, why should we try?" IMHO, Carr is the biggest reason we lost today. The offensive line gave him plenty of time. Carr made some good runs, but when he dropped back to pass, he was the main reason for the sacks and fumbles. I can't stand Tony Banks, but at least Banks will get rid of the ball instead of taking all the sacks. Carr had a decent stretch in the 2nd QTR, but it was mostly that he didn't make too many mistakes instead of doing anything good. It's pretty sad when I am sitting down at the sports bar, and people walking by are asking me "Why didn't he throw the ball or at least throw it away?" and all I could say was "I really don't know". It's also pretty sad that they have stopped laughing at me for being a Texans fan. Now they are just sorry for me.

Peldon
10-23-2005, 04:17 PM
The defense didn't force one punt today. Yes we got the turnovers, but no punts is pathetic. No it's not all on the defense but they still didn't play well today.

U4ikrob
10-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Thats not what I'm saying at all. I said the D played well. Improved over last weeks game. Thats it. I'm just a frustrated as everyone else.

Everyones frustrated for sure - but please take off the rose colored glasses on if your trying to spin the Defense as being better than the Offense this week.

Honestly - I have to diagree entirely about improvement from last week - They made very little improvement at all from last weeks game against Seattle - and the offense made some good improvements this week keeping us in the game unti lthe second half before being shut-down by one of the best defenses in the league right now.

How about Stats? -

What was last weeks score - 42-10 - and then what was this weeks score - hmmm 38-20

I'm going to go with the over under here and say the Offense improved a hell of alot more than the defense did since the Offense "Doubled" their Point total. Yet the defense couldnt stop the Colts from scoring just 4 points less than Seattle did last week and you think they did Well??

Boggle?? :confused:

T.O.P> is the key? - how about stopping somebody on a drive?

TD Edgerrin James, 9 Yd run (Mike Vanderjagt kick is good), 11:18. Drive: 7 plays, 77 yards in 3:42. Avg - 10yds per play
FG Mike Vanderjagt 36 Yd, 0:17. Drive: 16 plays, 66 yards in 7:26. - avg 4.125 per play
4TH QUARTER
TD Marvin Harrison, 7 Yd pass from Peyton Manning (Mike Vanderjagt kick is good), 11:38. Drive: 4 plays, 50 yards in 1:44. Avg - 12.5 yds per play
TD Montae Reagor, 37 Yd fumble return (Mike Vanderjagt kick is good), 8:07.

So looking at the stats alone - The colts had the ball almost the entire 3rd quarter - kind of hard to Score without the ball - The 4th we scored 6 more on special teams-

How about our Defense?

Basically the colts scored on almost every drive in the second half. Thats nothing to do with the Offense which got shutout by one of the best Defenses in the league in the second half when they shut down our ONLY 2 viable options left to score with on the team. Granted Carr made some errors today - but he did some really good things too when we got time and the players caught balls or it wasnt a bad exchange.

How about the defense shutting down the Colts Offense inthe second half?I'm thinking maybe they wouldnt be tired by the 4th quarter if they covered and tackled better. Gave the offense more opportunities to score again with field position thats somewhere close to midfield instead of having to start drives in our redzone most of the time.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 04:22 PM
If the O could have moved the ball at all the 2nd half, the D might not have given up 17 2nd half points. We had the ball for just 9 whole minutes the second half, Indy had the ball just over 20 minutes. In comparision, we held the ball just under 11 minutes in the second quarter.

If we're talking about O vs D lets get the points right; D gave up 31, O scored 14.

BTW - Getting my stats from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20051023_IND@HOU)

utahmark
10-23-2005, 04:31 PM
the offense had the ball basically one series in the 3rd quarter. they went 3 and out. the defense let ind control the whole 3rd quarter without giving the ball back to our offense. once we got it at the end of the third game was over. this offense cant do anything if we dont have a run threat.

U4ikrob
10-23-2005, 04:31 PM
If the O could have moved the ball at all the 2nd half, the D might not have given up 17 2nd half points. We had the ball for just 9 whole minutes the second half, Indy had the ball just over 20 minutes. In comparision, we held the ball just under 11 minutes in the second quarter.

If we're talking about O vs D lets get the points right; D gave up 31, O scored 13.

BTW - Getting my stats from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20051023_IND@HOU)

I allready covered this man - There playing one of the best defense in the league and they brought the heat in the second half

- Versus or defense which didnt show up at all - Letting the Colts avg over 10 yds per play and hold the ball almost the entire 3rd quarter - Yet its our O who is the problem - What are you smoking man?? Thats frigging pathetic by any standard.

D only gave up 31??? - how do you figure they did much better??

Fumble recovery is the offenses fault? - Those thigns happen because of good plays not just bad execution on the O man. Lets see you try to hang on to the ball when a helmet hits it - It aint gonna happen.

I get my stats there too man - same page just further down

run-david-run
10-23-2005, 04:34 PM
Lets go with:

Coaching
Pass Blocking
Injuries

All things considered, I think the D played very well. The final score may not show it, but they put pressure on Manning and caused turnovers. If we only had an offense that could give our D a break, things would be pretty good right about.

On a side note, will we finally stop hearing all this bring back JJ, Swinton, and every other KR/WR we have ever had?

How about having only 13 rushing yds in the second half? We did not take advantage of our success rushing in the first half, yet again, no deep throws the whole game! we just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually defenses learn how to stop us! The D did ok in the first half, but giving up so many 3rd conversions (Indy did not punt all day) and our "O" not doing anything in the seconf half cought up to us. The entire philosophy this team is based on is wrong considering the personel. We have to find ways of disrupting the other teams offense through pressure on the QB AND the WR (Harrison TD pass was comically easy). Also, it seems we are so limited in our "Offense" that we can only have a couple of good drives... we have to be less conservative and open up the playbook. We are 0-6, its not like we have anything to loose... lets go for it and stop being such a boring team.. if you can run the ball like we did in the first half, than use that and build off of it through play action... :brickwall

run-david-run
10-23-2005, 04:37 PM
I allready covered this man - There playing one of the best defense in the league and they brought the heat in the second half

- Versus or defense which didnt show up at all - Letting the Colts avg over 10 yds per play and hold the ball almost the entire 3rd quarter - Yet its our O who is the problem - What are you smoking man?? Thats frigging pathetic by any standard.

D only gave up 31??? - how do you figure they did much better??

Fumble recovery is the offenses fault? - Those thigns happen because of good plays not just bad execution on the O man. Lets see you try to hang on to the ball when a helmet hits it - It aint gonna happen.

I get my stats there too man - same page just further down
So you are saying that its the defense fault for Carr fumbleing and Indy socring a TD? While they were responsible for a lot of things that went wrong today, no sane man would say that is one of them... :confused:

U4ikrob
10-23-2005, 04:40 PM
So you are saying that its the defense fault for Carr fumbleing and Indy socring a TD? While they were responsible for a lot of things that went wrong today, no sane man would say that is one of them... :confused:

Neer mentioned Carr's name - dunno where yo ugot that - Carr fumbled when he got sacked again - We got "ONE" offensive series in the 4th quarter - 3 Sacks in a row. - Thats supposed to be CArr's fault too right? :ok:

IMO Kind of hard to blame a guy who took another 5 sacks for not holding onto the ball better the last time.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 04:40 PM
So you also see the whole 2 first down in the second half right? 2 HOU first downs vs 19 IND 1st downs?
Whats more probable, the d getting a turnover every possesion, or the o holding on to the ball? Every D is going to give up points, its not feasable for them not not, the O needs to show up. They ran well in the first half, what did they think was going to happen in the 2nd? If the O isnt going to do anything with the ball, run the play and game clock down and punt.

PapaL
10-23-2005, 04:43 PM
How about having only 13 rushing yds in the second half? We did not take advantage of our success rushing in the first half, yet again, no deep throws the whole game! we just keep doing the same thing over and over, eventually defenses learn how to stop us!

Everyone in the league knows we can not pass block, and are ok at running. For some magical reason we were able to run the ball in the first half, what did the coaching staff think would happen in the 2nd half? We would magically be able to pass and run? Stop our run game and the game is over.

U4ikrob
10-23-2005, 04:54 PM
So you also see the whole 2 first down in the second half right? 2 HOU first downs vs 19 IND 1st downs?
Whats more probable, the d getting a turnover every possesion, or the o holding on to the ball? Every D is going to give up points, its not feasable for them not not, the O needs to show up. They ran well in the first half, what did they think was going to happen in the 2nd? If the O isnt going to do anything with the ball, run the play and game clock down and punt.

Everyone in the league knows we can not pass block, and are ok at running. For some magical reason we were able to run the ball in the first half, what did the coaching staff think would happen in the 2nd half? We would magically be able to pass and run? Stop our run game and the game is over.



Man your just spewing to spew - no sense discussing this anymore with you if you want to ignore the facts. Its hard to SCORE without the freaking ball man. We scored as many points as they did in the First half - Even score.

But The Second half though the Offense only got the ball "THREE FREAKING TIMES" Sheesh man - You wanna blame somebody - How about whos making the play calls on the staff oh thats right itsd the players not executing as "Dom" calls it. What a load of Crap.

Heres some STATS for this so we can end this debate once and for all

1st possesion of the third Qtr

Houston Texans at 11:10
1-10-HOU40 (11:10) D.Davis up the middle to HST 45 for 5 yards (G.Brackett, B.Sanders).
2-5-HOU45 (10:33) D.Davis left end to HST 48 for 3 yards (C.June).
3-2-HOU48 (9:50) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to IND 47 for 5 yards (M.Jackson). (1 yard after catch.)
1-10-IND47 (9:08) D.Davis right guard to IND 48 for -1 yards (C.June, D.Freeney).
2-11-IND48 (8:26) D.Carr pass incomplete to J.Mathis.
3-11-IND48 (8:20) (Shotgun) D.Carr right end pushed ob at IND 47 for 1 yard (R.Mathis).
4-10-IND47 (7:53) C.Stanley punts 30 yards to IND 17, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by T.Walters. (Punt hang time 4.7 seconds.)

So we got 3 runs 1 complete pass and 1 inc and Carr being pushed OB on 3rd and long rather than taking a sack. Score is 21-14 at this point after Indy drove the ball 70+ yards on their first possesion. Not too bad playcalling - on offesne just didnt get a 1st down on the second series. Hoever the Defense didnt stop anybody.

2nd Possesion
Houston Texans at 00:09
1-10-HOU34 (:09) D.Carr sacked at HST 34 for 0 yards (D.Thornton).
Fourth Quarter
2-10-HOU34 (15:00) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 21 for -13 yards (R.Brock). FUMBLES (R.Brock), recovered by HST-D.Davis at HST 20. D.Davis to HST 20 for no gain (R.Brock).
3-24-HOU20 (14:07) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 15 for -5 yards (D.Freeney). FUMBLES (D.Freeney), recovered by HST-T.Wade at HST 15. T.Wade to HST 15 for no gain (R.Brock).
4-29-HOU15 (13:27) C.Stanley punts 44 yards to IND 41, Center-B.Pittman. T.Walters ran ob at 50 for 9 yards (L.Sanders).

3 Sacks and 2 fumbles - Our Great O-line Protection once again.So we got 1 series and 1-play with 9 secodns left on the clock for the entire Third Quarter and this is the offenses fault somehow? Yea maybe the O-lines fault and the coaches playcalling :confused: Score is now 31-14 and the Route is on - So where is the Defense once again?? Nowhere to be freaking found.

Last Possesion
Houston Texans at 11:31
1-10-HOU35 (11:31) D.Davis up the middle to HST 39 for 4 yards (R.Brock).
2-6-HOU39 (10:53) D.Davis left guard to HST 40 for 1 yard (G.Brackett).
3-5-HOU40 (10:12) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass to D.Davis to HST 47 for 7 yards (M.Doss, C.June). (4 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU47 (9:35) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to IND 49 for 4 yards (N.Harper). (No yards after catch.)
2-6-IND49 (9:00) D.Davis right guard to IND 48 for 1 yard (J.Thomas).
3-5-IND48 (8:18) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 42 for -10 yards (R.Mathis). FUMBLES (R.Mathis), RECOVERED by IND-M.Reagor at HST 37. M.Reagor for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

3 runs 2 complete passes and a sack for a fumble that got returned for a TD.

Yep that fumble by Carr at the end of the game when it was allready over sure made the difference in the Defense playign hard all day.

Yep The Offense officially sucks now [sarcasm] :brickwall - It's certainly not the Defenses fault for letting the Colts keep the ball a Majority of the second half of the game :brickwall

I'm off to go find something entertaining to do - GO ASTROS!! :tv:

Gunbuny
10-23-2005, 05:02 PM
In all fairness, the only part of the team that turned in a good performance was the Special Teams unit. They were able in a lot of cases to procure us good field position and a return for a touchdown. The offense played well(in the first half.) The defense played better in the 1st half than the 11 guys who showed up in the 2nd half and allowed Indy to do whatever they wanted. Face facts my fellow fans, there is a very obvious need to Overhaul everything but the special teams. The coaching is atrocious, Carr made a few bad decisions, WR's somtimes would not fight for the ball, or not seem to recall what their route was. The only players who deserve a game ball were Davis and Mathis.

vtech9
10-23-2005, 05:24 PM
Man your just spewing to spew - no sense discussing this anymore with you if you want to ignore the facts. Its hard to SCORE without the freaking ball man. We scored as many points as they did in the First half - Even score.

But The Second half though the Offense only got the ball "THREE FREAKING TIMES" Sheesh man - You wanna blame somebody - How about whos making the play calls on the staff oh thats right itsd the players not executing as "Dom" calls it. What a load of Crap.

Heres some STATS for this so we can end this debate once and for all

1st possesion of the third Qtr

Houston Texans at 11:10
1-10-HOU40 (11:10) D.Davis up the middle to HST 45 for 5 yards (G.Brackett, B.Sanders).
2-5-HOU45 (10:33) D.Davis left end to HST 48 for 3 yards (C.June).
3-2-HOU48 (9:50) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to IND 47 for 5 yards (M.Jackson). (1 yard after catch.)
1-10-IND47 (9:08) D.Davis right guard to IND 48 for -1 yards (C.June, D.Freeney).
2-11-IND48 (8:26) D.Carr pass incomplete to J.Mathis.
3-11-IND48 (8:20) (Shotgun) D.Carr right end pushed ob at IND 47 for 1 yard (R.Mathis).
4-10-IND47 (7:53) C.Stanley punts 30 yards to IND 17, Center-B.Pittman, fair catch by T.Walters. (Punt hang time 4.7 seconds.)

So we got 3 runs 1 complete pass and 1 inc and Carr being pushed OB on 3rd and long rather than taking a sack. Score is 21-14 at this point after Indy drove the ball 70+ yards on their first possesion. Not too bad playcalling - on offesne just didnt get a 1st down on the second series. Hoever the Defense didnt stop anybody.

2nd Possesion
Houston Texans at 00:09
1-10-HOU34 (:09) D.Carr sacked at HST 34 for 0 yards (D.Thornton).
Fourth Quarter
2-10-HOU34 (15:00) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 21 for -13 yards (R.Brock). FUMBLES (R.Brock), recovered by HST-D.Davis at HST 20. D.Davis to HST 20 for no gain (R.Brock).
3-24-HOU20 (14:07) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 15 for -5 yards (D.Freeney). FUMBLES (D.Freeney), recovered by HST-T.Wade at HST 15. T.Wade to HST 15 for no gain (R.Brock).
4-29-HOU15 (13:27) C.Stanley punts 44 yards to IND 41, Center-B.Pittman. T.Walters ran ob at 50 for 9 yards (L.Sanders).

3 Sacks and 2 fumbles - Our Great O-line Protection once again.So we got 1 series and 1-play with 9 secodns left on the clock for the entire Third Quarter and this is the offenses fault somehow? Yea maybe the O-lines fault and the coaches playcalling :confused: Score is now 31-14 and the Route is on - So where is the Defense once again?? Nowhere to be freaking found.

Last Possesion
Houston Texans at 11:31
1-10-HOU35 (11:31) D.Davis up the middle to HST 39 for 4 yards (R.Brock).
2-6-HOU39 (10:53) D.Davis left guard to HST 40 for 1 yard (G.Brackett).
3-5-HOU40 (10:12) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass to D.Davis to HST 47 for 7 yards (M.Doss, C.June). (4 yards after catch.)
1-10-HOU47 (9:35) D.Carr pass to J.Gaffney to IND 49 for 4 yards (N.Harper). (No yards after catch.)
2-6-IND49 (9:00) D.Davis right guard to IND 48 for 1 yard (J.Thomas).
3-5-IND48 (8:18) (Shotgun) D.Carr sacked at HST 42 for -10 yards (R.Mathis). FUMBLES (R.Mathis), RECOVERED by IND-M.Reagor at HST 37. M.Reagor for 37 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

3 runs 2 complete passes and a sack for a fumble that got returned for a TD.

Yep that fumble by Carr at the end of the game when it was allready over sure made the difference in the Defense playign hard all day.

Yep The Offense officially sucks now [sarcasm] :brickwall - It's certainly not the Defenses fault for letting the Colts keep the ball a Majority of the second half of the game :brickwall

I'm off to go find something entertaining to do - GO ASTROS!! :tv:
What I will say to that is Carr had plenty of time to throw the ball away or, heaven forbid, throw the ball to the WR when he was supposed to, but no, Carr held on to the ball until he was hit and fumbled the ball. We all know that the O-line is not the best, but they did well enough for Carr to either throw the ball to his WR or get rid of it if his receiver wasn't open. The sacks and fumbles were on Carr.

utahmark
10-23-2005, 05:25 PM
sea has scored 3 points in 3 quarters against dallas.

utahmark
10-23-2005, 05:26 PM
What I will say to that is Carr had plenty of time to throw the ball away or, heaven forbid, throw the ball to the WR when he was supposed to, but no, Carr held on to the ball until he was hit and fumbled the ball. We all know that the O-line is not the best, but they did well enough for Carr to either throw the ball to his WR or get rid of it if his receiver wasn't open. The sacks and fumbles were on Carr.


all the sacks were carrs fault?

vtech9
10-23-2005, 05:40 PM
all the sacks were carrs fault?
IMHO???

YES

utahmark
10-23-2005, 05:45 PM
IMHO???

YES

did you watch the game on tv. or did you use you binoculars from atop a high building in oklahoma.

Napa Auto Parts
10-23-2005, 05:52 PM
not all the Sack were Carr Fault i saw the game play by play twice already and only four of the sacks were Carrs Fault.

vtech9
10-23-2005, 05:53 PM
did you watch the game on tv. or did you use you binoculars from atop a high building in oklahoma.
that was a very intelligent comeback :rolleyes:

In answer to your question, I watched the game at the sports bar, on a big screen tv, and watched all of the replays. If there was a sack that was not his fault, please enlighten me.

the wonger need food
10-23-2005, 06:20 PM
Who to blame??? At this point, Bob McNair. The buck stops at him. Ultimately he is responsible for turning this organization into the biggest joke in professional football.

texplayer2
10-23-2005, 06:39 PM
Who to blame??? At this point, Bob McNair. The buck stops at him. Ultimately he is responsible for turning this organization into the biggest joke in professional football.

I think he will do some Managerial changes at the end of the season. Does he do anything besides finance and promote? He brought in a team to run his investment and I think they played it tooooo safe. They need better Leadership in coaching staff and on the Field.

the wonger need food
10-23-2005, 07:02 PM
I think he will do some Managerial changes at the end of the season. Does he do anything besides finance and promote? He brought in a team to run his investment and I think they played it tooooo safe. They need better Leadership in coaching staff and on the Field.

Either way... it's his company, so ultimately he is responsible.

He had the opportunity to change out this coaching staff after the team regressed last season and chose to do nothing. This is his mess and it's his responsibilty to clean it up.

Bobo
10-23-2005, 07:07 PM
Ok who do you guys blame for the loss of this game.You can blame Carr a lil i guess but not alo becuase he made some nice running plays in the first half and only threw the ball 9 times and yuo have to throw the ball alot more if you want to win.You cant really blame the line because as bad as they are this was there best game of the year.So who to blame well i blame the coaches bad playcalling not enough passes and after all those running plays they didnt use the playaction pass to the fullest so thats who i blame who do you????

There's plenty of blame to go around, but I have to wonder why, when you're down by 17 in the 4th quarter with 11:00 left, the Texans ran the ball on first and second down. That's worse than Chris Palmer.

alphajoker
10-23-2005, 07:17 PM
I blame the coaching for this team being a 1st half team. I can only wonder what a team like I saw playing in the 1st half would look like for 4 Qtrs. By all means they weren't flawless but the defense did make some plays during that time(Sack, FF & recovery, INT). Meanwhile, the offense was run blocking good but marginal at least at pass blocking. Gaffney, I believe has stepped up as the #1 WR while Johnson has been out and when Johnson does recover to become the #1 again, hopefully, Gaffney will step up and be the go to #2 WR Carr needs. But the coaches need to do a better job of making adjustments at halftime(Surprise, Surprise!!). Jerome Mathis, is a badass!! As he continues to play more and more, I like how he is learning to hit the hole and use his speed. The first few games he kind of danced around but today, Damn! that boy is fast. As a person who sees the glass half full, this team has the talent but not the coaching or an O-line. If we make a change at coach next year, draft the LT and interior linemen we need, we should be highly competitive next year.

Bobo
10-23-2005, 07:32 PM
overall, the D wasn't that bad.

The defense allowed more than 200 yards rushing and didn't force one punt. Yet, you say the D wasn't that bad. Tell me, then. Just how DO you define "bad" defense?

utahmark
10-23-2005, 07:48 PM
that was a very intelligent comeback :rolleyes:

In answer to your question, I watched the game at the sports bar, on a big screen tv, and watched all of the replays. If there was a sack that was not his fault, please enlighten me.


just trying to be funny. there were two sacks where he took 3 steps looked downfield and got nailed from his blind side in under 3 sec's. i cant see how these were his fault. if we had normal nfl blocking carr wouldnt of held on to the ball to long at all today. but since we dont and he know's we dont some of the sacks are his fault. carr had a bad game. some of the other games i thought he has done as well as could be expected. today was diff. but when you only throw the ball 9(i think) times. every bad pass is magnified.

Kaiser Toro
10-23-2005, 07:56 PM
The D was not good and is getting worse. But we are playing without four first day starters. Our offense looked good for about a quarter staying with what they do best as collective unit, run the ball. When the offense has the ability to sustain drives it keeps a depleted defense fresh, this did not happen again today.

This team has no leadership. When the wheels start to wobble, you know they are about to come off. Need to get some backbone.

the wonger need food
10-23-2005, 08:12 PM
There was zero reason for making a change before this year.

You are incorrect here. The team (especially the offense) regressed over the 2nd half of last season and it has just carried over to this season. They have won 1 game over a decent team (barely above .500) in the last 15.

Texans Horror
10-26-2005, 09:26 AM
I blame Seth Wand. He hasn't made a good block all year. This is clearly the reason for the Texans' woes. The way he plays LT, it's like he's invisible...

:thud:

cuppacoffee
10-26-2005, 10:27 AM
Whoopty do, you lived through the 81-84 Oilers. That gives you a pass the rest of your life to complain about watching bad football? I know its bad, you know its bad, everyone knows its bad.


LCROD
Many Texan fans are former Oiler fans.
We are not complaining solely about the poor play of the Texans.
It is more about fourty plus years of supporting a mostly incompetent franchise (Buds) that ultimately abandoned us. :penalty:

Now we are faced with the perception, whether true or not, that we have another incompetent franchise. :hairpull:
Its only natural that we former Oiler fans are apprehensive.

Here's hoping that McNair seeks out competent counsel and straightens this mess out.


cac: :coffee:

texplayer2
10-26-2005, 03:12 PM
You are incorrect here. The team (especially the offense) regressed over the 2nd half of last season and it has just carried over to this season. They have won 1 game over a decent team (barely above .500) in the last 15.

It is hard to see the regression when you are improving your win total every year. We have had very few Wins to compare with our intensity. I think they have gotten worse this off season. When Capers coached Carolina he started off with a lot of good players. Ex. Kevin Greene and did good. until they began retiring etc. The same thing is happening here except his leadership on the field is not retiring, it is being dealt before it retires as a philosophy to keep our team young and the Cap numbers friendly. Unfortunately, the (young) acqusitions are not producing the same results on the field, or leadership, as much as their numbers on our cap. When Kevin left, Carolina slowly went away. You need veteran leadership on the Field as well as Leadership from the sidelines. Even if we didn't win alot last year, I still thought we played with a lot more intensity on a conservative philosphy. This year we are still playing conservative and with a lot less focus.:embarrass Now, if Mcnair allows this to continue into next season without accountability from his team(players and coaches), then he might shoulder some of the blame for a bad product.

atlantis-tx
09-25-2006, 09:10 AM
I think us as the fans was ready for some football this season. But the Texans are showing us that they are not ready.
So who is at fault? It can not be the coach.............thats what we said last year! So we bring in a new head coach. We are now 0-3 that tells me that maybe the head coach was not the problem. In my view the problem is all them over paid so call Pro football players. That you and I support on Sundays with our hard earned money. Its time to start looking for so players that want more than a pay check! Some players that have some heart and want to be Supper Bowl Champions! GO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ArlingtonTexan
09-25-2006, 09:19 AM
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