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gtexan02
10-19-2005, 11:09 AM
Just read this on nfl.com
Its an interesting point, but I must disagree with it. Over and over I have heard college sport commentators say "I have never seen a college QB do that!" about Leinart. He calls his own plays at the line from a choice of 3 or more given to him by the coach. He sits in the pocket comfortably until he finds his open man. He throws bombs on 4th and short to single covered receivers and completes them! Anyway, interesting none the less. Here it is:

(Oct. 18, 2005) -- For now, the opinion is in the minority. But perhaps over time, it will expand to the majority.

But one NFL person well familiar with top-flight quarterbacks said last week that Notre Dame's Brady Quinn is a better pro prospect than USC's Matt Leinart. He thinks Quinn's tough Midwestern roots will make a difference in the NFL, compared to Leinart's laid-back SoCal philosophies.

Again, this opinion, in all probability, is in the minority. But the larger point is it exists. It's out there.

Under new Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, who worked so closely with Tom Brady in New England, Quinn has been allowed to thrive while being introduced to pro-style passing concepts.

Of course, there are no assurances Quinn even will declare himself eligible for the 2006 NFL Draft. But if he does, there are those who expect him to be a high pick -- and perhaps even a premium pick -- more capable than the reigning Heisman Trophy winner.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8980568

Vinny
10-19-2005, 11:11 AM
I've said a few times that it's too early to slot these guys...I haven't been all that impressed with Leinart myself. I like Drew Stanton quite a bit myself....he has a much better ability to scramble and he has NFL caliber escape-ability as well as being a solid passer.

texplayer2
10-19-2005, 11:29 AM
Lienart is not going to come into the NFL on a bad team and be sucessful by himself. If he gets drafted by a team on the edge of good, He IS CLUTCH. Tom Brady, Big Ben type of clutch. If he is drafted by a team with few weapons he will not be sucessful early and could get beat up David Carr type crutch.I don't believe he will go #1, but if a team gets lucky they will pick him up. Raiders,Ravens, or Bears would probably be good for him. The Texans current GM said they would not take Lienart #1, because he does not believe Carr is the problem.

Vinny
10-19-2005, 11:30 AM
The Texans current GM said they would not take Lienart #1, because he does not believe Carr is the problem.And we all know the good decisions he has made since he came here.

nunusguy
10-19-2005, 11:43 AM
Over and over I have heard college sport commentators say "I have never seen a college QB do that!" about Leinart.
You mean like when they said Gallery was one of the top LTs of his time and
wothy to be ranked with other greats coming into the NFL, when the reality
now is even in his second year he's not good enough to displace journeyman Barry Simms as the starting LT for the Raiders.

Vinny
10-19-2005, 11:45 AM
You mean like when they said Gallery was one of the top LTs of his time and
wothy to be ranked with other greats coming into the NFL, when the reality
now is even in his second year he's not good enough to displace journeyman Barry Simms as the starting LT for the Raiders.I don't think Gallery carried as high a grade as the most elite top tier prospects. If I remember correctly blesto had him a tad lower than the Pace's and Boselli's and Munoz's

rmartin65
10-19-2005, 03:59 PM
Right now, all the draft stuuf is guesses.

tulexan
10-19-2005, 04:50 PM
I was just wondering this. Do we know for a fact that Leinart audibled to pass to the receiver on that long play at the end of the game? I remember the announcers immediately saying that it was an audible, but how do they know? I mean right after the guy was tackled they were saying it was an audible. Isn't it possible that it was part of the play? I feel that ESPN is giving him way too much credit for a lot of the stuff he does. They always pick the one or two guys the want to succeed and always give them way too much credit. Just like when they were making Eli Manning seem like he was a Peyton clone.

powda
10-19-2005, 06:16 PM
They always pick the one or two guys the want to succeed and always give them way too much credit. Just like when they were making Eli Manning seem like he was a Peyton clone.

and eli's been horrible so far this year?

if vince young declares he'll be viewed as a matt jones kinda prospect...not a qb.

leinart has had tremendus success but faced very little adversity. call him a product of the system or the talent around him with the potential to be much more.

another qb will emerge in the comming weeks be it omar jacobs, stanton, or someone else...

kbourda
10-19-2005, 06:30 PM
This is just me talking but I never liked a West Coast QB for some reason. Besides Aikman (I don't count Dilfer, he won a Super Bowl in spite of not because of) I can't recall a QB from a West Coast college to lead a team to the Bowl. I just remembered Elway too.

kbourda
10-19-2005, 06:35 PM
and eli's been horrible so far this year?

if vince young declares he'll be viewed as a matt jones kinda prospect...not a qb.

leinart has had tremendus success but faced very little adversity. call him a product of the system or the talent around him with the potential to be much more.

another qb will emerge in the comming weeks be it omar jacobs, stanton, or someone else...

Eli Manning will be better than his brother. I said it once and all along mark my word.

beerlover
10-19-2005, 06:40 PM
Leinart reminds me of a left handed Dan Fouts.........

http://www.tackleo.com/imagenes/eua/fotos/ncaa/usc17.jpg http://images.nfl.com/photos/img6946500.jpg

I think he'll be ok, when he gets a system that fits his style just like Dan finally did near the end of his career as the trigger switch to Air Coryell, the St. Louis Rams surely might be of interest, maybe we could trade the pick to them for their 1st and Orlando Pace :rolleyes:

rmartin65
10-19-2005, 07:14 PM
To me, Leinart was never the best QB.

Vinny
10-19-2005, 07:26 PM
and eli's been horrible so far this year?

if vince young declares he'll be viewed as a matt jones kinda prospect...not a qb.I don't agree with you there at all. I think someone takes him early and grooms like like the Oilers groomed Steve McNair. I think he will eventually be better than Randall Cunningham. I think he will evolve into a really special NFL QB.

gg no re
10-19-2005, 07:54 PM
that stuff on nfl.com is complete trailer-park BS- "tough midwestern" versus "laid-back SoCal"- give me a break. leinhart is clutch- joe montana stuff.Sorry to be off-topic, but couldn't resist that you brought up Montana... mainly that Montana came from Notre Dame, and hailed from west Pennsylvania. >_>

D-ReK
10-19-2005, 08:02 PM
To me, Leinart was never the best QB.

I share that opinion...IMO, Jacobs, Young, and Jay Cutler are all better...Leinart seems like a left-handed Ken Dorsey to me...

Huge
10-19-2005, 08:19 PM
He'd have been the #1 QB in last year's draft. He'll be the #1 QB in this year's class and would be the #1 QB in next year's class.

Not to say he's the best QB prospect to come out in a long time...it's just been a bad run of college QBs lately.

Oh, and Vince Young will play QB in the NFL.

keyfro
10-19-2005, 10:17 PM
vince young is the next steve mcnair...and in all actuality how silly would it be if he got drafted by the titans

powda
10-19-2005, 10:25 PM
I think he will eventually be better than Randall Cunningham. I think he will evolve into a really special NFL QB.


that may well be but honestly im not blown away by his arm...im not even a little impressed. he has a game changing ability but not as a qb.maybe its just been the games ive seen...?

Texas_Thrill
10-20-2005, 09:10 AM
Why on earth would VY come out after one decent year? ala Akili Smith. Need I say more. Go back to school and hone your skills for goodness sake.

Huge
10-20-2005, 11:17 AM
1 reason - $$$$$

He should have enough resources available to be able to determine where he'll be drafted. If he's not going to go in the top half of the first round, then he should go back to school.

But if enough people tell him he'll go high...

WildBlackBear32
10-20-2005, 11:52 AM
I share that opinion...IMO, Jacobs, Young, and Jay Cutler are all better...Leinart seems like a left-handed Ken Dorsey to me...

Exactly what I've been saying all along!

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=189029&postcount=34

Coach C.
10-20-2005, 12:41 PM
Yes Omar Jacobs is an awsome prospect. young is good, but I doubt he comes out this year when he is pretty much guaranteed the #1 pick in 2007 his competition Brady Quinn and Marcus Vick please. Jay Cutler is quite nice. Personally I like Brady Quinn he is a more athletic Tom Brady and being groomed as such. He will be a quality QB in this league, Likely the next Carson Palmer type guy. Jacobs though I feel will be really special and I would love to see him go to the Ravens. I was born in Baltimore and still have family there they need a top flight QB. BTW Leinhert is a good QB who benifits from his system and talent. He will be a good QB in this league just look at Palmer who is and was the same type of player.

SESupergenius
10-20-2005, 12:46 PM
I agree with kbourda, If I was looking for a QB I'd stick to the ones no from the left coast. I like a QB to have some cold weather experience as well.