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GP
10-17-2005, 12:28 PM
You know how you look at a great head coach, who is doing a great job, and he came "out of nowhere" and shocked everyone? He was an assistant somewhere, maybe even two or three other places, and you didn't hear his name called all those years leading up to his first HC job? But there he is one day...making a splash, getting it done. Most recently it's Marvin Lewis, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weiss in the NCAA. All of those guys were quality assistant coaches/coordinators and the success just translates if you ask me.

Look back at how Mariucci and Sherman and Andy Reid were all a part of Mike Holgren's GB staff (I think that's right). And possibly even John Gruden was in that bunch before he became a HC at Oakland.

Yesterday's assistants, Today's head coaches: Green Bay staff leads the way (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_4_34/ai_n6257770)

You see each of them in those NFL Films clips, back in the day when they were all assistants, and you can just see in their body language and in their focus, and in what they say to their players' units: You could SEE the potential in those clips.

I see the same thing in Marciano. The guy is enthusiastic, motivational, and he just has "purpose" burned into his eyes when you look at him.

Why couldn't we give him a shot? Give him the authority to replace the coordinators and assistants. Go out and get free agent coaches out there and finish up this season with a different attitude. Something like this will not happen because McNair is just not going to fire Capers in mid-season. But I think it couldn't hurt in terms of the product that's being trotted out onto the field right now. What could it hurt to give a guy on your own staff the chance to HC? It also communicates to other coordinators and other assistants out there who are alreayd on NFL teams right now that "You can have a shot at promotion within if you come to the Texans..."

Marciano for HC. :texans:

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/players/uploadedimages/Marciano_Joe.jpg

SESupergenius
10-17-2005, 12:31 PM
You have to get them from WINNING programs. Wies is hands down one of the best coaches. It would be hard to pry him away from ND however. He'd be 1st on my list. We need talent evaluators, no gamblers and huge risk takers. Guys that do their homework well.

throwANDREtheBALL
10-17-2005, 12:32 PM
UM, sure, if you like how this season is going, then by all means vote Marciano as next head coach. However, if your like me and the minority on this board and you actually want your team to win a couple games a year, or at least be competitive. Well, I think then we'd need a GOOD head coach for once.

Vinny
10-17-2005, 12:34 PM
On geez...no Dom cronies for the next regime.

throwANDREtheBALL
10-17-2005, 12:45 PM
FASSEL .........um, NO

What did fassel do with a talented group in New York ?

Ultimately nothing. He isn't that good when it comes to discipline, and loses control of his team.

And if he's such a WONDROUS QB coach/Playcaller.....what's with the sorry Ravens ? Their offense has looked atrocious, and they picked up great talent on the offensive side of the ball, before the season began. Boller wasn't getting it done before he got hurt and all Fassel has done with Anthony Wright is make him a little worse of a QB then he usually is. What a GURU.

PUH-LEEASE

throwANDREtheBALL
10-17-2005, 01:09 PM
First off........how was Boller an excuse, if Fassel is a QB guru, he should know how to help him improve.

Second.......Derrick Mason, Mark Clayton, Todd Heap are better WRs than the Ravens have had in years.

Third.........one dimensional team? Well Fassel is the O-coordinator, so I'd say he has to take the blame for at least 50% of that. AT least.

And if you want a real QB GURU, go get KUBIAK. He knows offenses, and isn't afraid to try and win a game or two.

cuppacoffee
10-17-2005, 01:17 PM
You have to get them from WINNING programs. Wies is hands down one of the best coaches. It would be hard to pry him away from ND however. He'd be 1st on my list. We need talent evaluators, no gamblers and huge risk takers. Guys that do their homework well.


Texans can't have him!

:love: :bowdown: :D :excited:

Youngstown Colt
10-17-2005, 01:38 PM
Boller just flat out sucks, and there is nothing Fassel can do about that. I'll give you Heap, I forgot about him. The rest of them suck. The third, I was wrong on now that I think about it. When Boller went down, they tried to run the ball with Lewis and Taylor, but then they started mixing it up...and they did win yesterday, thanks to his play calling, and good D.Derrick Mason sucked his way to 90+ catches last year. Do you even watch football? They beat the browns because of the Browns ineptness. Take it from someone who watched the game, and doesn't just say "they won, so it's because of Fassel"

Fassel is a bad motivator, and now he's showing he's not that great of an offensive mind.

Vinny
10-17-2005, 01:40 PM
The Ravens have one of the best LT's in football...one of the best backs in football...one of the better WR's in Mason....and one of the best TE's in Heap...their offense blows, and it isn't because they don't have talent.

cuppacoffee
10-17-2005, 01:47 PM
On geez...no Dom cronies for the next regime.

Any preferences or suggestions?
Who would you like to see given a chance?
I suggested Tom Clements in another thread. I really don't have a clue who is out there to turn this mess around.
There must be a reason so many teams have taken a flyer on Kubiak in the past. idonno:

cac: :coffee:

Vinny
10-17-2005, 01:52 PM
Any preferences or suggestions?
Who would you like to see given a chance?
I suggested Tom Clements in another thread. I really don't have a clue who is out there to turn this mess around.
There must be a reason so many teams have taken a flyer on Kubiak in the past. idonno:

cac: :coffee:I think this will end up much like the Falcons situation a few years ago when Dan Reeves was sure to be fired. The fans threw out a billion names and they hired Mora Jr....who was on nobody’s radar, but turned out to be a hell of a Head Coach. I'm not a big Kubiak fan. Those post Elway QB's have all struggled over there.

SESupergenius
10-17-2005, 02:06 PM
I'd prefer someone younger that is of the 'motivator' type of coach. This teams needs a rally in a big way.

GP
10-17-2005, 03:09 PM
I don't want Marciano long-term....unless he wins and wins big.

I want him for the rest of this season, just like the Browns did with their situation last year. Nobody knew for sure if the assistant (i forget his name) would remain the coach, but he put on the hat and assumed the role as if he had only one life to live.

I want Marciano for the rest of the season only, if only to get Capers face off the camera--It's bad for everybody. I want Marciano to fully accept the role by firing Capers' coaching squad as he sees fit: Which would be all the coaches that Casserly, McNair and Marciano feel should be fired for their Capers-like philosophy, and I want Mcnair and Casserly to help Marciano assemble a set of coaches for the rest of the season. There's a ton of talent out there, waiting to be hired, itching to be hired. It's the United States of America and basically only 30-something teams in the NFL.....talent is out there and waiting: Talent that is suitable to come in and make some noise in the last part of the season.

The season is over. We'd be wise to hand the ball off 100 times a game, keep everybody healthy, let Chad Stanley and Kris Brown kick the ball all day long, and just GET TO THE OFFSEASON and DRAFT. Trade the #1 (Matt Leinart) for some more picks, get every OL we can in the draft. Pursue other free agent OL better and more aggressively than we did with Orlando Pace.

Therefore, what in the wide wide world of sports would be wrong with getting rid of Capers NOW...letting an enthusiastic and motivating person within the current roster of coaches take over, and just see if we can get out of this funk that we're in? Worst case scenario is (drum roll, please) we continue to lose. Best case scenario is: We see if Marciano can be HC, and if the results are satisfying we just filled the spot for at least a year.

IN WWII, the government asked civilians to come up with a design for a wartime transport vehicle that could travel at a certain maximum speed, climb a certain grade of hill, etc. They gave something like a 40-day deadline for any civilian to not only show their schematic drawings of their proposed vehicle...but to also have BUILT it and to be able to DEMONSTRATE it to the Army. All this had to be done in something like 40 days. And that's how the Jeep was born.

I would think that in 30 days this organization could complete an entire overhaul of the coaching staff. Conventional wisdom said you couldn't plan and build a vehicle (successfully) in only a month's time. And conventional wisdom says you can't change coaches mid-season. Why not?

At least they can do SOMETHING to show the fans that the Texans will do anything they can to improve themselves. Or, maybe we're seeing a pattern of things to come: A tightwad owner and a tighwad GM that won't land Orlando Pace or any other high-dollar talent. An owner that is prone to make moves at a glacial pace, reluctant to make any dynamic moves. Maybe that's why Capers is so hard to fire: He and McNair might be a lot alike in that aspect. Conservative, low risk, old school mentality. I sure hope not.

SESupergenius
10-17-2005, 03:14 PM
The season is far from over. Either you quit now or try and battle back to be a winner. coming back from an 0-5 start is not that unheard of, no we are not going to the playoffs, but at least we can spoil those that are and pick up some momentum to carry over to next year. I've stated this before, this team needs to grow as a unit, something we've been unable to do the past few seasons because of so many positional changes.

mean mark8
10-17-2005, 03:16 PM
I'd prefer someone younger that is of the 'motivator' type of coach. This teams needs a rally in a big way.

I'm crazy but I think Jerry Glanville can turn-around any team. He did it with the Oilers and the Falcons with basically the same players from the previous year. Somehow he makes the team believe in themselves and makes the defense swarm the ball with swagger.

jagsfanincanada
10-17-2005, 04:18 PM
Um, only a person living in a proverbial closet would not have heard the names Weis, Crennel and Lewis as HC candidates. They were mentioned for years as candidates.

SheTexan
10-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Kippy Brown!!

eriadoc
10-17-2005, 04:49 PM
I'm not a big Kubiak fan. Those post Elway QB's have all struggled over there.

I'd actually have to look up the particulars, but at least one media outlet was reporting on this possibility and stated that Kubiak has had great results for the time he's spent with the QBs there. Like I said, I didn't get the particulars, but they mentioned Griese's Pro Bowl appearance with Kubiak coaching him.

Oilers/Texans
10-17-2005, 05:33 PM
If a new coach is hired, I'd rather get a proven NFL guy who is a winner. Also, someone who loves to throw it deep early and often.

Texans_Chick
10-17-2005, 06:09 PM
There is no bigger fan of Marciano than I am (other than the guys on special teams who love playing for him and would do anything for him), but I am not sure that this makes any sense to do. This would be just taking one more coach away from a team that needs a lot of coaching.

He is not just a Capers crony--he did some time other than with Capers.

It was fun seeing the fake punt last night--Marciano has them practice that stuff a lot and loves opportunities where he gets to do that. They practice all different sorts of fake punts.

Ultimately, I don't really know how much of what is going on is coaching and how much is just not having the talent and depth you need to succeed.

People are talking about heart and yelling at these guys and motivating them, blah blah blah rah rah rah whatever, but our depth and experience is about fingernail deep. Young players who haven't worked together much are just going to have a hard time succeeding.

Those players want to win, but getting a big group of people working together as a team is hard to do. (Wish you could bottle that). I am sure that they get sick of a bunch of donut eating, never done a two-a-day couch potatoes telling them that they need to be yelled at and aren't working hard enough to win. Anyone who has ever played a team sport knows that you can play your behinds off and still lose. It is a terrible feeling but sometimes you don't have the piece or parts or the chemistry that comes from working together for a while.

Everybody knows that they need an Oline who is functioning better but those guys are not easy to draft or develop--look at all the "stud" Olinemen who have come out of the draft in recent years--at least since the Texans have been able to draft--none of those guys are starting left tackles. It is a hard thing to put together.

Ultimately, it is easier to fire a coach than fire your players. So eventually, that is what is likely to happen if things don't get better. It is just the nature of the game.

infantrycak
10-17-2005, 06:12 PM
What exactly have the Texans ever scored top 5 in on special teams other than the solo event of punts inside the 20? People act like he is great, but IMO the return blocking has been consistantly poor. Return coverage has been good--I will give him that.

Texans_Chick
10-17-2005, 07:02 PM
What exactly have the Texans ever scored top 5 in on special teams other than the solo event of punts inside the 20? People act like he is great, but IMO the return blocking has been consistantly poor. Return coverage has been good--I will give him that.

I think you can only expect so much out of coaching. He has gotten very good results given the situation he was put in.

I am not advocating for him to be made HC, but I do think his unit has been a bright spot generally speaking for a team where lately sometimes you have to be searching bright spots.

You can't say that the players on his units aren't motivated. If you talk to anyone on special teams about him, even the players who don't talk much like to talk about Coach Joe.